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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:52 pm

Scientists and legal experts have raised concerns that an ambitious experiment using a super-charged ion collider could accidentally destroy planet Earth.

One of the world’s most powerful particle accelerators, which is capable of generating particles hotter than four trillion degrees Celsius, has come under the spotlight after experts have warned that micro black holes and strange matter could be generated.

The Brookhaven National Laboratory’s Realistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) accelerates nuclei to the speed of light, before smashing them together in a bid to create quark-gluon plasma, which is an incredibly hot substance thought to have occurred just after the Big Bang.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2562063/Could-super-Hadron-end-world-Proposed-jumbo-collider-create-black-holes-strange-matter-experts-claim.html

Bloody scientists won't be happy until they've completely destroyed life, the Universe and everything!

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:57 pm

Tess. wrote:Scientists and legal experts have raised concerns that an ambitious experiment using a super-charged ion collider could accidentally destroy planet Earth.

One of the world’s most powerful particle accelerators, which is capable of generating particles hotter than four trillion degrees Celsius, has come under the spotlight after experts have warned that micro black holes and strange matter could be generated.

The Brookhaven National Laboratory’s Realistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) accelerates nuclei to the speed of light, before smashing them together in a bid to create quark-gluon plasma, which is an incredibly hot substance thought to have occurred just after the Big Bang.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2562063/Could-super-Hadron-end-world-Proposed-jumbo-collider-create-black-holes-strange-matter-experts-claim.html

Bloody scientists won't be happy until they've completely destroyed life, the Universe and everything!

Well according to HF the Big Bang is rubbish and scientists don't know what they are talking about; so nothing to worry about then, have faith  Wink 

Seriously though scientific endevour is always going to have big risks. The outcomes could be worth it though. And of course if it wasn't for those bloody scientists we'd still all be dying much younger from basic diseases and living without electricity  Smile 
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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:09 pm

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Tess. wrote:Scientists and legal experts have raised concerns that an ambitious experiment using a super-charged ion collider could accidentally destroy planet Earth.

One of the world’s most powerful particle accelerators, which is capable of generating particles hotter than four trillion degrees Celsius, has come under the spotlight after experts have warned that micro black holes and strange matter could be generated.

The Brookhaven National Laboratory’s Realistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) accelerates nuclei to the speed of light, before smashing them together in a bid to create quark-gluon plasma, which is an incredibly hot substance thought to have occurred just after the Big Bang.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2562063/Could-super-Hadron-end-world-Proposed-jumbo-collider-create-black-holes-strange-matter-experts-claim.html

Bloody scientists won't be happy until they've completely destroyed life, the Universe and everything!

Well according to HF the Big Bang is rubbish and scientists don't know what they are talking about; so nothing to worry about then, have faith  Wink 

Seriously though scientific endevour is always going to have big risks. The outcomes could be worth it though. And of course if it wasn't for those bloody scientists we'd still all be dying much younger from basic diseases and living without electricity  Smile 
Well even that's debatable - a lot of diseases today are caused by chemicals and additives. Swings and roundabouts!

You say the outcomes could be worth it. TBH astrophysics is beyond my lickle brain; just what outcome could this collider thing achieve that's worth risking the planet?

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:13 pm

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Well according to HF the Big Bang is rubbish and scientists don't know what they are talking about; so nothing to worry about then, have faith  Wink 

Seriously though scientific endevour is always going to have big risks. The outcomes could be worth it though. And of course if it wasn't for those bloody scientists we'd still all be dying much younger from basic diseases and living without electricity  Smile 
Well even that's debatable - a lot of diseases today are caused by chemicals and additives.  Swings and roundabouts!  

You say the outcomes could be worth it.  TBH astrophysics is beyond my lickle brain; just what outcome could this collider thing achieve that's worth risking the planet?

First of all it depends on just how sincere the threat to the planet is- the media do have a habit of bigging up these things to get people all excitable  Wink 

I suppose one product of creating so much heat is it could later be transferred to sources of energy- always a matter of importance in our energy obsessed world  Smile 

On diseases- well since life expectancy is massively up on where is was, certainly for those suffering diseases, from the 18th Century- I'd say science has done wonders  Cool 
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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:27 pm

Tess. wrote:Scientists and legal experts have raised concerns that an ambitious experiment using a super-charged ion collider could accidentally destroy planet Earth.

One of the world’s most powerful particle accelerators, which is capable of generating particles hotter than four trillion degrees Celsius, has come under the spotlight after experts have warned that micro black holes and strange matter could be generated.

The Brookhaven National Laboratory’s Realistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) accelerates nuclei to the speed of light, before smashing them together in a bid to create quark-gluon plasma, which is an incredibly hot substance thought to have occurred just after the Big Bang.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2562063/Could-super-Hadron-end-world-Proposed-jumbo-collider-create-black-holes-strange-matter-experts-claim.html

Bloody scientists won't be happy until they've completely destroyed life, the Universe and everything!

even if the risk is minute why do they think they have the right to just go ahead.

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:30 pm

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Tess. wrote:Scientists and legal experts have raised concerns that an ambitious experiment using a super-charged ion collider could accidentally destroy planet Earth.........................

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2562063/Could-super-Hadron-end-world-Proposed-jumbo-collider-create-black-holes-strange-matter-experts-claim.html

Bloody scientists won't be happy until they've completely destroyed life, the Universe and everything!

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I WOULD just like to point out to everybody present...

That the "Daily Fail" gossip rag is not a scientific journal !    Razz     

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Post by nicko on Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:33 pm

like to point out that beekeeper is not of sound mind!!
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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:34 pm

Eilzel wrote:
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Well even that's debatable - a lot of diseases today are caused by chemicals and additives.  Swings and roundabouts!  

You say the outcomes could be worth it.  TBH astrophysics is beyond my lickle brain; just what outcome could this collider thing achieve that's worth risking the planet?

I suppose one product of creating so much heat is it could later be transferred to sources of energy- always a matter of importance in our energy obsessed world  Smile 

 

This might interest you then:

Giant Leap for Nuclear Fusion as Lasers Blast New Route to Ultimate Energy Source

Researchers in the US have overcome a key barrier to making nuclear fusion reactors a reality. In results published in Nature, scientists have shown that they can now produce more energy from fusion reactions than they put into igniting nuclear fuel for an experiment. The use of fusion as a source of energy remains a long way off, but the latest development is an important step towards that goal.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Giant_leap_for_nuclear_fusion_as_lasers_blast_new_route_to_ultimate_energy_source_999.html

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:05 pm

Tess. wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

I suppose one product of creating so much heat is it could later be transferred to sources of energy- always a matter of importance in our energy obsessed world  Smile 

 

This might interest you then:

Giant Leap for Nuclear Fusion as Lasers Blast New Route to Ultimate Energy Source

Researchers in the US have overcome a key barrier to making nuclear fusion reactors a reality. In results published in Nature, scientists have shown that they can now produce more energy from fusion reactions than they put into igniting nuclear fuel for an experiment. The use of fusion as a source of energy remains a long way off, but the latest development is an important step towards that goal.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Giant_leap_for_nuclear_fusion_as_lasers_blast_new_route_to_ultimate_energy_source_999.html

Fusion energy is certainly going to be important in the long term. However experiments that help us to understand life on Earth and the Universe and its origins are important imo and can potentially bring about many things that may be of use to us in the future (I don't know what, but many things can be discovered in the process). If the risk was serious enough they wouldn't be allowed to continue.
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Post by Vintage on Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:12 pm

The problem is apparently and I'm no scientist, is that once produced it has to be conatined in a vacuum, if it touches the sides of the container or anything else there's a massive explosion whether that would continue I can't remember but I think that is the idea continuous energy, so it could be a bit of a problem to say the least if it were to break out of containment and would make Chernobyl seem like a firecracker.

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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:51 pm

Pfft... they said it could create black holes when they made it when they first used it and when they pushed it to it's current limit.

Still no Black hole Rolling Eyes

they're just breaking atoms, think of this as getting two cannons with eggs (with really hard shells) as ammunition, then firing the cannons at each other so the eggs collide in mid air and you take a bizillion photos of the collision (because the shells are so hard the easy way to break them is against each other) and we want those photos to work out what’s inside the eggs, hopefully some delicious quark-gluon plasma Smile

The idea it would create a black hole is a bit of a stretch (especially after previous similar experiments have not done so) and hopefully it will create new materials (that is sort of the point cyclops )

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Post by Vintage on Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:50 pm

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The problem is apparently I'm no scientist........

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Post by Phoenix on Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:56 pm

They said that travelling above 30mph on a train your lungs would implode. The quantities of matter involved in the experiments are minute and any exotic anti particles extremely short lived. Understanding the birth of all that we are, is I would have thought a noble quest, and since there is more chance of lung implosion than black hole annihilation of the planet, I'd prefer we proceed.

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Post by Guest on Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:59 pm

perhaps they should take some sort of vote and see just how many people think the risk is not worth taking, rather than assume science knows what it is doing.

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:25 pm

heavenly father wrote:perhaps they should take some sort of vote and see just how many people think the risk is not worth taking, rather than assume science knows what it is doing.

Too Late we already done it.  Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz  this is just a bigger one  Cool Cool Cool Cool 


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