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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:37 pm

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A Nobel Prize-winningAmerican scientist who co-discovered DNA has been stripped of his honorary titles at the laboratory he once led after repeating racist comments in a documentary.

James Watson, who discovered the double-helix structure of DNA alongside Francis Crick in the 1950s, said in a PBS film that genes cause a difference in intelligence between white and black people in IQ tests.

The 90-year-old's comments were labeled "reprehensible" by the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory (CSHL) on New York's Long Island, where Watson had been the director from 1968 to 1993.

Watson had previously told Britain's Sunday Times newspaper in 2007 that he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours, whereas all the testing says not really."

The scientist added that while he hoped everyone was equal, "people who have to deal with black employees find this is not true."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/health/james-watson-honors-stripped-intl/index.html


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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:39 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

How did test scores be forr your grand parents?

Does that make them thicker, based on the level of learning and access to this today?

No. Education is key, and different ethnicities have access to different levels of education.

That will play a part in test scores.  

Do you really think that is all it is?

How many people do well from broken homes compared to those with homes that have not hardship?

This is a universal problem. where people less advantaged will in the main do worse.

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Post by Maddog on Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:39 pm

Are you done asking questions?

You could click on some of the links I provided and save me the time.

I need to run anyway.

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:39 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:What cracks me up is how Tommy is trying to prove whites are smarter than blacks and Rags (white) can't understand that's what he's doing, thus proving Tommy's theory wrong since any black person would immediately understand what he's trying to do. Laughing

I told you - he also said that Asians had a higher IQ than white people.

I wish you wouldn't use the terms "blacks" and "whites" - it sounds common.

I wish you would open your eyes and actually see what he is arguing

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Post by Maddog on Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:40 pm

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:

No. Education is key, and different ethnicities have access to different levels of education.

That will play a part in test scores.  

Do you really think that is all it is?

How many people do well from broken homes compared to those with homes that have not hardship?

This is a universal problem. where people less advantaged will in the main do worse.

Do broken homes affect all ethnicities in the same numbers?

Gotta run.

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:41 pm

Maddog wrote:Are you done asking questions?

You could click on some of the links I provided and save me the time.

I need to run anyway.

I am simple challenging the points you made to Eddie on skin colour

I am well versed on this topic and have read many links, which none of which answer the view based around skin colour

Do they mate?

They answer reasons around poverty, access to education, health, broken homes etc

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:43 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

Do you really think that is all it is?

How many people do well from broken homes compared to those with homes that have not hardship?

This is a universal problem. where people less advantaged will in the main do worse.

Do broken homes affect all ethnicities in the same numbers?

Gotta run.  

Absolutely they do

Hence take how now, white kids from broken homes are some of the most disadvantaged in the UK

That is down to the failings of the system, as they have been over looked based on a racist view

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Post by eddie on Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:45 pm

Maddog wrote:
eddie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

You can't.

But you can report test scores based on skin color.

Then you debate what the test scores actually measure.

Some would say very little, other's a great deal.  afro

When I worked in the education system, year after year the same results always came back: white boys born in the summer scored the worst in exam results.

Would those also be the youngest boys in their class?

Yes. I forgot to mention that in this case (the UK) it was ENGLISH white boys.

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:53 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

Why?

What is the point?

To help those less well off in the US?

Or as a means as a weapon to form a hatred?

There are people that like to measure such things. I guess they would say that the information could be used to helpt those groups that historically perform worse on tests.  

Are they using this information to help these groups?

You have two sides to this problems and both are looking at this racially and not socially.

Take the race factor out of the equation and you find the same problems plague young people

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:05 pm

Oh and apologies Maddog

Have a good evening too mate

Got hooked up in the debate and missed saying so


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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:16 pm

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:

No. Education is key, and different ethnicities have access to different levels of education.

That will play a part in test scores.  

Do you really think that is all it is?

How many people do well from broken homes compared to those with homes that have not hardship?

This is a universal problem. where people less advantaged will in the main do worse.


What are you talking about?


Have you ever done an IQ test?


It doesn't test "education"... it is a test of cognitive ability and mental agility...!


And I came from what you would class as a "broken home" and brought up in "poverty"... but when I did a timed IQ test a few years ago, I scored 140, and that was even after leaving it running half way through while I took a few minutes away from it to make a cup of tea and make a couple of phone calls...


So would have scored even higher if I hadn't done that... and even higher still if I had done some practice questions before starting the test...!!!

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:25 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thor wrote:

Do you really think that is all it is?

How many people do well from broken homes compared to those with homes that have not hardship?

This is a universal problem. where people less advantaged will in the main do worse.


What are you talking about?


Have you ever done an IQ test?


It doesn't test "education"... it is a test of cognitive ability and mental agility...!


And I came from what you would class as a "broken home" and brought up in "poverty"... but when I did a timed IQ test a few years ago, I scored 140, and that was even after leaving it running half way through while I took a few minutes away from it to make a cup of tea and make a couple of phone calls...


So would have scored even higher if I hadn't done that... and even higher still if I had done some practice questions before starting the test...!!!

Yes I have done this test Tommy

So lets put this fake test to the test Tommy

Was Moazart a genius?

Tommy nobody has seen your tests results and anyone pushing results, based on a need, Is completly insecure.

So tell me

Based off what you have learnt. Could you have without any education. Come to the point that you would have learnt advanced maths, engineering etc, without education?

Take your time

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:29 pm

Now compare your edcuation Tommy to Srinivasa Ramanujan?

Based on your IQ score, are you claiming you are more intelligent based off some google test?

Thank you mate

You just proved what an embarresment you are

Laughing

What level of maths edcuation qualifications did you obtain Tommy?

Surely someone with an IQ, you claim of 140, would have basic maths understanding?

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:30 pm

Was it a race that passed on knowledge tommy

Or a few innovative people?

Miles above your invented claim to high IQ?

Hence why inflate your IQ, on two abilities you lack mate?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:34 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:"Practically identical"...

But still different...

Different in trivial ways. Two poodles aren't identical, either. My mom has a Boston Terrier that is twice the size of the typical Boston Terrier, yet her parents were both full-blood.

You and I have more genetically in common with some black people than we do with some white people. The amount of genetic material that makes up your skin color is quite small.

And a side note:

You claiming in this thread not to be a white supremacist after making the claims you've made would be like me saying that all life on earth comes from an original common ancestor and then saying, "But I don't believe in evolution!"


Boston terriers will be a variety of sizes... still distinctive as Boston terriers... clearly not poodles or labradors... but all still dogs...


And all with different physical and mental attributes...



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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:38 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Different in trivial ways. Two poodles aren't identical, either. My mom has a Boston Terrier that is twice the size of the typical Boston Terrier, yet her parents were both full-blood.

You and I have more genetically in common with some black people than we do with some white people. The amount of genetic material that makes up your skin color is quite small.

And a side note:

You claiming in this thread not to be a white supremacist after making the claims you've made would be like me saying that all life on earth comes from an original common ancestor and then saying, "But I don't believe in evolution!"


Boston terriers will be a variety of sizes... still distinctive as Boston terriers... clearly not poodles or labradors... but all still dogs...


And all with different physical and mental attributes...


Are you comparing dogs to now humans?

When dogs were selectively breeded?

Do you suggest humans breed the same?

Have you measured the intelligence of dogs based on sizes?

Do you not see again  how studid you continually look Tommy?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:43 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:"Practically identical"...

But still different...

Different in trivial ways. Two poodles aren't identical, either. My mom has a Boston Terrier that is twice the size of the typical Boston Terrier, yet her parents were both full-blood.

You and I have more genetically in common with some black people than we do with some white people. The amount of genetic material that makes up your skin color is quite small.

And a side note:

You claiming in this thread not to be a white supremacist after making the claims you've made would be like me saying that all life on earth comes from an original common ancestor and then saying, "But I don't believe in evolution!"


Boston terriers will be a variety of sizes... still distinctive as Boston terriers... clearly not poodles or labradors... but all still dogs...


And all with different physical and mental attributes...



Your argument sort of falls apart when you realize that people with white skin come in all shapes and sizes and intellects ... just like people with every other color of skin.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:45 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:

No. Education is key, and different ethnicities have access to different levels of education.

That will play a part in test scores.  

Do you really think that is all it is?

How many people do well from broken homes compared to those with homes that have not hardship?

This is a universal problem. where people less advantaged will in the main do worse.


What are you talking about?


Have you ever done an IQ test?


It doesn't test "education"... it is a test of cognitive ability and mental agility...!


And I came from what you would class as a "broken home" and brought up in "poverty"... but when I did a timed IQ test a few years ago, I scored 140, and that was even after leaving it running half way through while I took a few minutes away from it to make a cup of tea and make a couple of phone calls...


So would have scored even higher if I hadn't done that... and even higher still if I had done some practice questions before starting the test...!!!

So you took a break during your IQ test and didn't prepare. I guess that makes you a genius?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:24 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


What are you talking about?


Have you ever done an IQ test?


It doesn't test "education"... it is a test of cognitive ability and mental agility...!


And I came from what you would class as a "broken home" and brought up in "poverty"... but when I did a timed IQ test a few years ago, I scored 140, and that was even after leaving it running half way through while I took a few minutes away from it to make a cup of tea and make a couple of phone calls...


So would have scored even higher if I hadn't done that... and even higher still if I had done some practice questions before starting the test...!!!

So you took a break during your IQ test and didn't prepare. I guess that makes you a genius?


Well... given my result... I'd say that makes me more of a genius than someone who scored the same (or lower) than me but who didn't take any break and who did loads of practice questions beforehand in preparation...!!!


And I think it is fair to say that I would have scored much higher had I not taken that break and/or had done a load of practice questions beforehand...!!!


To be perfectly honest with you... I was expecting to get quite a low score result, purely because I had to take a few minutes out half way through, and because I had gone in to the test 'cold' without doing any practice questions beforehand!!!



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Post by eddie on Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:27 pm

Does an IQ test tell you how intelligent you are...really?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:36 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Boston terriers will be a variety of sizes... still distinctive as Boston terriers... clearly not poodles or labradors... but all still dogs...


And all with different physical and mental attributes...



Your argument sort of falls apart when you realize that people with white skin come in all shapes and sizes and intellects ... just like people with every other color of skin.


But when you look at the average for each different group for a variety of physical/mental attributes/abilities... and then if you see distinct differences between these groups... then you can't just ignore these findings and try to say that they are all the same and the findings are wrong... any more than you can try to say that all types of dogs have the same typical length of tail... or try to say that all dogs are the best at jumping over high fences... or that all dogs are the best at sniffing out truffles... or all dogs are the best at herding sheep... etc... or all are equally good at anything else... including trying to say that all dogs are equally intelligent...!!!



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Post by Syl on Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:43 pm

Can anyone post an IQ test and we can all do it and print scores?
I did one online ages ago and scored 134, but the laptop froze up one time so I couldnt complete a couple of the questions.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:44 pm

Thor wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

What are you talking about?

Have you ever done an IQ test?

It doesn't test "education"... it is a test of cognitive ability and mental agility...!

And I came from what you would class as a "broken home" and brought up in "poverty"... but when I did a timed IQ test a few years ago, I scored 140, and that was even after leaving it running half way through while I took a few minutes away from it to make a cup of tea and make a couple of phone calls...

So would have scored even higher if I hadn't done that... and even higher still if I had done some practice questions before starting the test...!!!

Yes I have done this test Tommy

So lets put this fake test to the test Tommy

Was Moazart a genius?

Tommy nobody has seen your tests results and anyone pushing results, based on a need, Is completly insecure.

So tell me

Based off what you have learnt. Could you have without any education. Come to the point that you would have learnt advanced maths, engineering etc, without education?

Take your time

Razz

By Tommy's own previous admissions, he's undoubtedly a verifiable "genius"...

He did one of those unquestionable and amazing online I.Q. tests a while back..

Where he scored a record  32,156  !

Making Tommy the smartest dude ever known in the history of all creation..

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P.S. "140" doesn't make someone a "genius", despite all the obvious bulldust posted online...

When I was at school, a "genius" was someone with an IQ result from a standardised test above 160, and the likes of Newton and Einstein were claimed to be above 180..

Then, somewhere along the line, the bar was lowered and a couple of other scales were introduced from the USA later on, giving "genius" rankings lower down, and listing Einstein as "160 plus"..

In the tests being used in Oz back when, scores of 120 -->> 140+ were ranked as "very bright".

Even then, most psychologists/psychiatrists will tell you that an IQ test is only one part of assessing "intelligence" --  as other factors such as "emotional quotient" tests, personal aptitudes, socialisation, more-physical 'mental' abilities (e.g. spacial awareness, depth awareness, a sense of proportion), and several other factors, should be considered as well --  to give a "more rounded" view of overall intelligence.

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Even though Tommy may well have an IQ score of 1,726, 372.6,  and consider himself the smartest creature in the history of the universe..

He is clearly lacking in the analytical, cognitive and comprehension abilities departments...

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:46 am

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:Are you done asking questions?

You could click on some of the links I provided and save me the time.

I need to run anyway.

I am simple challenging the points you made to Eddie on skin colour

I am well versed on this topic and have read many links, which none of which answer the view based around skin colour

Do they mate?

They answer reasons around poverty, access to education, health, broken homes etc
 I quoted statistics. Do you think I made them up?

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:48 am

eddie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Would those also be the youngest boys in their class?

Yes. I forgot to mention that in this case (the UK) it was ENGLISH white boys.


That makes sense. Boys mature slower than girls so it stands to reason that the youngest boys would struggle the most with testing.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:50 am

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Boston terriers will be a variety of sizes... still distinctive as Boston terriers... clearly not poodles or labradors... but all still dogs...


And all with different physical and mental attributes...



Your argument sort of falls apart when you realize that people with white skin come in all shapes and sizes and intellects ... just like people with every other color of skin.
Well, we tend to be fatter than Asians.  Had to throw that in there.  

Pssssst.  That's largely down to our diet though.  

On the bright side, while we are lard asses we rarely are afflicted with Asian flush.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:54 am

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:

There are people that like to measure such things. I guess they would say that the information could be used to helpt those groups that historically perform worse on tests.  

Are they using this information to help these groups?

You have two sides to this problems and both are looking at this racially and not socially.

Take the race factor out of the equation and you find the same problems plague young people

Well, since there isn't that much movement or tightening of the scores, I would say they are not being very helpful.  Who ever they are.

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:57 am

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Are they using this information to help these groups?

You have two sides to this problems and both are looking at this racially and not socially.

Take the race factor out of the equation and you find the same problems plague young people

Well, since there isn't that much movement or tightening of the scores, I would say they are not being very helpful.  Who ever they are.

Exactly mate

Online tests are not even a true nature of a test, espcially when they are mutiple choice answers

I doubt as some claim on here, that they would achieve such a high score

Hence it leads to people having delusions


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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:59 am

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I am simple challenging the points you made to Eddie on skin colour

I am well versed on this topic and have read many links, which none of which answer the view based around skin colour

Do they mate?

They answer reasons around poverty, access to education, health, broken homes etc
 I quoted statistics. Do you think I made them up?

Stats of what years?

Is that a global perspective?

A wealth persective?

Do you see how my questions will pan out on this?

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:01 am

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 I quoted statistics. Do you think I made them up?

Stats of what years?

Is that a global perspective?

A wealth persective?

Do you see how my questions will pan out on this?
The stats explain exactly what they represent.  My point has been consistent throughout. Test scores vary in the US based on ethnicity.  Nothing more nothing less.

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:02 am

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Stats of what years?

Is that a global perspective?

A wealth persective?

Do you see how my questions will pan out on this?
The stats explain exactly what they represent.  My point has been consistent throughout. Test scores vary in the US based on ethnicity.  Nothing more nothing less.

What do they explain?

A small pool of people locally over a short period in the earths history on some test scores.

And?

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:09 am

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The stats explain exactly what they represent.  My point has been consistent throughout. Test scores vary in the US based on ethnicity.  Nothing more nothing less.

What do they explain?

A small pool of people locally over a short period in the earths history on some test scores.

And?
They explain that in the US, test scores vary based on ethnicity.  Nothing more.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:11 am

I've tried to do IQ tests but I don't have the patience for them as they're very long.

I did pass the Civil Service exam many years ago - does that count?

I failed the interview though. Laughing

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:12 am

Also your link is very much out of date Maddog

https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-sat-scores-over-time

You will also find that there is a big gap between the genders, with women do far better than men at present. Again I say at present, as again this changes all the time. So clearly people are improving over the last couple of years. I bet you wil also find a correlation of those from broken homes, single parent poorer families do less well than l than others who are not . No matter the ethnicity group.

Hence again why simple go off the ethnicity? When there is so many other aspects to consider?

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:18 am

Thor wrote:Also your link is very much out of date Maddog

https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-sat-scores-over-time

You will also find that there is a big gap between the genders, with women do far better than men at present. Again I say at present, as again this changes all the time. So clearly people are improving over the last couple of years. I bet you wil also find a corrletaion of those from broken homes, single parent poorer families do less well than l than others who are not . No matter the ethnicity group.

Hence again why simple go off the ethnicity? When there is so many other aspects to consider?
Ethnicity was the issue at hand.  That's why I pointed out the different scores based on ethnicity.  

There is also a strong  relation between test scores and wealth, but that wasn't the topic.  

And you are correct about gender. Women are far better educated on average here too.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:19 am

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Thor wrote:Also your link is very much out of date Maddog

https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-sat-scores-over-time

You will also find that there is a big gap between the genders, with women do far better than men at present. Again I say at present, as again this changes all the time. So clearly people are improving over the last couple of years. I bet you wil also find a corrletaion of those from broken homes, single parent poorer families do less well than l than others who are not . No matter the ethnicity group.

Hence again why simple go off the ethnicity? When there is so many other aspects to consider?
Ethnicity was the issue at hand.  That's why I pointed out the different scores based on ethnicity.  

There is also a strong  relation between test scores and wealth, but that wasn't the topic.  

And you are correct about gender. Women are far better educated on average here too.
And how is something ending in 2018 very much out of date?

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:20 am

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:Also your link is very much out of date Maddog

https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-sat-scores-over-time

You will also find that there is a big gap between the genders, with women do far better than men at present. Again I say at present, as again this changes all the time. So clearly people are improving over the last couple of years. I bet you wil also find a corrletaion of those from broken homes, single parent poorer families do less well than l than others who are not . No matter the ethnicity group.

Hence again why simple go off the ethnicity? When there is so many other aspects to consider?
Ethnicity was the issue at hand.  That's why I pointed out the different scores based on ethnicity.  

There is also a strong  relation between test scores and wealth, but that wasn't the topic.  

And you are correct about gender. Women are far better educated on average here too.


Its certainly part of the topic, being again if you have heard of the "flynn effect". Levels of IQ steadily been growing globally over the last century. Hence to me looking at something over a short period and locally never proves a true aspect. Nor simple looking at this ethnically

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:22 am

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Maddog wrote:
Ethnicity was the issue at hand.  That's why I pointed out the different scores based on ethnicity.  

There is also a strong  relation between test scores and wealth, but that wasn't the topic.  

And you are correct about gender. Women are far better educated on average here too.
And how is something ending in 2018 very much out of date?

Your link had scores only up to 2015 over a ten year period

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/09/03/sat-scores-drop-and-racial-gaps-remain-large

Mine was from 1972 to 2018

https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-sat-scores-over-time


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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:23 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Thor wrote:

Yes I have done this test Tommy

So lets put this fake test to the test Tommy

Was Moazart a genius?

Tommy nobody has seen your tests results and anyone pushing results, based on a need, Is completly insecure.

So tell me

Based off what you have learnt. Could you have without any education. Come to the point that you would have learnt advanced maths, engineering etc, without education?

Take your time

Razz

By Tommy's own previous admissions, he's undoubtedly a verifiable "genius"...

He did one of those unquestionable and amazing online I.Q. tests a while back..

Where he scored a record  32,156  !

Making Tommy the smartest dude ever known in the history of all creation..

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P.S.   "140" doesn't make someone a "genius", despite all the obvious bulldust posted online...

When I was at school, a "genius" was someone with an IQ result from a standardised test above 160, and the likes of Newton and Einstein were claimed to be above 180..

Then, somewhere along the line, the bar was lowered and a couple of other scales were introduced from the USA later on, giving "genius" rankings lower down, and listing Einstein as "160 plus"..

In the tests being used in Oz back when, scores of 120 -->> 140+ were ranked as "very bright".

Even then, most psychologists/psychiatrists will tell you that an IQ test is only one part of assessing "intelligence" --  as other factors such as "emotional quotient" tests, personal aptitudes, socialisation, more-physical 'mental' abilities (e.g. spacial awareness, depth awareness, a sense of proportion), and several other factors, should be considered as well --  to give a "more rounded" view of overall intelligence.

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Even though Tommy may well have an IQ score of 1,726, 372.6,  and consider himself the smartest creature in the history of the universe..

He is clearly lacking in the analytical, cognitive and comprehension abilities departments...

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:27 am

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Ethnicity was the issue at hand.  That's why I pointed out the different scores based on ethnicity.  

There is also a strong  relation between test scores and wealth, but that wasn't the topic.  

And you are correct about gender. Women are far better educated on average here too.


Its certainly part of the topic, being again if you have heard of the "flynn effect". Levels of IQ steadily been growing globally over the last century. Hence to me looking at something over a short period and locally never proves a true aspect. Nor simple looking at this ethnically
For about the 5th time. The topic of scores based on ethnicity was brought up.  I had no desire to go off on any tangents so I stayed on topic. Scores vary based on ethnicity. I also made it clear that test scores are not always a good indicator of intelligence.  I have been completely consistent  and accurate with everything I have said in this thread. I have also referenced data that is a few months old.  I'm sorry I dont have any studies that were performed yesterday, not that they would show any difference in the long term trends that are well documented  between different ethnicities in the US.

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:30 am

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Its certainly part of the topic, being again if you have heard of the "flynn effect". Levels of IQ steadily been growing globally over the last century. Hence to me looking at something over a short period and locally never proves a true aspect. Nor simple looking at this ethnically
For about the 5th time. The topic of scores based on ethnicity was brought up.  I had no desire to go off on any tangents so I stayed on topic. Scores vary based on ethnicity. I also made it clear that test scores are not always a good indicator of intelligence.  I have been completely consistent  and accurate with everything I have said in this thread. I have also referenced data that is a few months old.  I'm sorry I dont have any studies that were performed yesterday, not that they would show any difference in the long term trends that are well documented  between different ethnicities in the US.

Sorry, but so what?

Does that then mean the parameters of the debate have to be soley set on simple ethnicity?

Of course not

That is not staying on topic, when there is many reasons to the scores.

Neither was your link a true relection to the actual scores and again shows only over a short time period.. And more so over a small group of people locally and not globally. In other words. Its very much like a abroken pencil

Pointless

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:36 am

I mean Maddog, here is test scores on average racially and ethnically in the Uk. Even though its also not broken down enough to individual ethnic African groups. Or even English, Scottish, Welsh etc

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest

Yours only looks racially as a group

You see again how the way the sats in the US are fairly useless and it does not even correspond to the UK and is vastly different?

By breaking down into ethnic groups, then gender, wealth, health etc. Then can people better look to supoort those in need of help

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:47 pm

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:
For about the 5th time. The topic of scores based on ethnicity was brought up.  I had no desire to go off on any tangents so I stayed on topic. Scores vary based on ethnicity. I also made it clear that test scores are not always a good indicator of intelligence.  I have been completely consistent  and accurate with everything I have said in this thread. I have also referenced data that is a few months old.  I'm sorry I dont have any studies that were performed yesterday, not that they would show any difference in the long term trends that are well documented  between different ethnicities in the US.

Sorry, but so what?

Does that then mean the parameters of the debate have to be soley set on simple ethnicity?

Of course not

That is not staying on topic, when there is many reasons to the scores.

Neither was your link a true relection to the actual scores and again shows only over a short time period.. And more so over a small group of people locally and not globally. In other words. Its very much like a abroken pencil

Pointless


I would say most threads are pointless. 

I conveyed a fact.  Test scores vary amongst different racial groups in the US.  The same can be said about incomes, suicide rates, wealth, incarceration rates and murder rates. I never said the difference was biological nor that the tests accurately measured intelligence.  I never claimed that they measured much of anything.  I simply stated a fact and you have spent a dozen posts explaining how you feel that fact is meaningless.  So be it.

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:59 pm

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Sorry, but so what?

Does that then mean the parameters of the debate have to be soley set on simple ethnicity?

Of course not

That is not staying on topic, when there is many reasons to the scores.

Neither was your link a true relection to the actual scores and again shows only over a short time period.. And more so over a small group of people locally and not globally. In other words. Its very much like a abroken pencil

Pointless


I would say most threads are pointless. 

I conveyed a fact.  Test scores vary amongst different racial groups in the US.  The same can be said about incomes, suicide rates, wealth, incarceration rates and murder rates. I never said the difference was biological nor that the tests accurately measured intelligence.  I never claimed that they measured much of anything.  I simply stated a fact and you have spent a dozen posts explaining how you feel that fact is meaningless.  So be it.


Come again?

What facts did you present exactly?

You presented a very distorted view and not one that was even accurate

It was based over a ten year period and over only a small percentage of the worlds population.

Hence the opinion is poor to say the least and differed greatly from a 40 year period, showing how clearly this is changing all the time

It also clearly was vastly different to scores in the Uk.

So let me know what fact you conveyed?

Still waiting for this, being as in the last 2 years the scores have been vastly rising, contrary to what you claimed?

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https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:20 pm

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Maddog wrote:


I would say most threads are pointless. 

I conveyed a fact.  Test scores vary amongst different racial groups in the US.  The same can be said about incomes, suicide rates, wealth, incarceration rates and murder rates. I never said the difference was biological nor that the tests accurately measured intelligence.  I never claimed that they measured much of anything.  I simply stated a fact and you have spent a dozen posts explaining how you feel that fact is meaningless.  So be it.


Come again?

What facts did you present exactly?

You presented a very distorted view and not one that was even accurate

It was based over a ten year period and over only a small percentage of the worlds population.

Hence the opinion is poor to say the least and differed greatly from a 40 year period, showing how clearly this is changing all the time

It also clearly was vastly different to scores in the Uk.

So let me know what fact you conveyed?

Still waiting for this, being as in the last 2 years the scores have been vastly rising, contrary to what you claimed?


I'm good.  They are pointless to you anyway.

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:31 pm

Maddog wrote:
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Come again?

What facts did you present exactly?

You presented a very distorted view and not one that was even accurate

It was based over a ten year period and over only a small percentage of the worlds population.

Hence the opinion is poor to say the least and differed greatly from a 40 year period, showing how clearly this is changing all the time

It also clearly was vastly different to scores in the Uk.

So let me know what fact you conveyed?

Still waiting for this, being as in the last 2 years the scores have been vastly rising, contrary to what you claimed?


I'm good.  They are pointless to you anyway.


Glad you are good

Let me know when you want to present these so called facts to me

Cheers

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:33 pm

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I'm good.  They are pointless to you anyway.


Glad you are good

Let me know when you want to present these so called facts to me

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:35 pm

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Glad you are good

Let me know when you want to present these so called facts to me

Cheers
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Sounds great

What are you cooking and do I need to bring anything?   Laughing

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Tommy Monk wrote:

https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html


These are the facts...

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Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html


These are the facts...


What facts Tommy?

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