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Post by phildidge on Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:27 pm

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German MP Frank Magnitz, leader of the right-wing populist nationalist party Alternative für Deutschland in the state of Bremen, was brutally attacked by masked men with a piece of wood as he left a drinks reception in an art museum last night. He was beaten unconscious and kicked in the head.


An AfD spokesperson has stated that “The police officers and the Bremen prosecutor are investigating because the act has been politically motivated.”




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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:55 pm

Was any money missing?

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Post by phildidge on Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:57 pm

Original Quill wrote:Was any money missing?


No mention of money quill or is this leading the investigation.

So what do you think?

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:12 pm

Robbery is my first guess. That's why I ask.

If the scene gives no evidence, we've got to wait until more evidence comes to light from other sources.


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Post by phildidge on Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:13 pm

Original Quill wrote:Robbery is my first guess.


Does it claim he was robbed?

What does it claim?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:16 pm

The media silence about this is disgraceful...

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:58 pm

Thor wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Robbery is my first guess.


Does it claim he was robbed?

What does it claim?

The article gives nothing from the police. Just some outsider speculation. The police probably do not know at this point.

Robbery is still a strong possibility.  Something happened, clearly.  But we have no clear evidence of what.


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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:59 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The media silence about this is disgraceful...

The media has nothing to tell about.  It's not a disgrace, Tommy, it's still a mystery. You are so anxious to by-pass the investigation process. Why is that?


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Post by phildidge on Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:59 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thor wrote:


Does it claim he was robbed?

What does it claim?

Does it claim he was not robbed?  Something happened, clearly.  But we have no clear evidence of what.


It would say if he was robbed

It never did, it stated that it was a political attack

Plain and simple

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:16 pm

Thor wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Does it claim he was not robbed?  Something happened, clearly.  But we have no clear evidence of what.


It would say if he was robbed

It never did, it stated that it was a political attack

Plain and simple

That's right, we should keep from jumping to conclusions.  The article says nothing about cause, because nothing is known. Some political hack speculated on police investigation the cause, but he is just another yokel. I would wait until the police make the announcement.

Robbery is the most common reason for this kind of thing, but we should always keep an open mind until something conclusive comes up.


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Post by phildidge on Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:16 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thor wrote:


It would say if he was robbed

It never did, it stated that it was a political attack

Plain and simple

That's right, we should keep from jumping to conclusions.  The article says nothing about cause, because nothing is known.

Robbery is the most common reason for this kind of thing, but we should always keep an open mind until something conclusive comes up.


It states a political attack for the second time

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Post by phildidge on Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:17 pm

German far-right politician Frank Magnitz has been beaten up and severely injured in an attack seen by police as politically motivated.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46792556

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Post by phildidge on Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:20 pm

And to repeat, if there had been a robbery, then the Police would also be looking into this avenue of investigation.

Its clear that the avenue of their investigation is a Political attack, and the fact they are not looking at this as a robbery. Then clearly no robbery occured

I thought that would have been fairly obvious, even to a supposed trained legal lawyer

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:22 pm

Thor wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

That's right, we should keep from jumping to conclusions.  The article says nothing about cause, because nothing is known.

Robbery is the most common reason for this kind of thing, but we should always keep an open mind until something conclusive comes up.


It states a political attack for the second time

The BBC reports the police have limited themselves to describing the scene:

BBC wrote:Police said he was beaten over the head with an unknown object by three men who then fled.

It could be political. It also could be robbery. We need to know more.

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Post by phildidge on Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:25 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thor wrote:


It states a political attack for the second time

The BBC reports the police have limited themselves to describing the scene:

BBC wrote:Police said he was beaten over the head with an unknown object by three men who then fled.


Does not matter what the BBC says, it matters how the Police are investigating this and I know from further evidence and them seeing cctv. That they attacked him and then fled the scene

No indication of a robbery, hence why there avenue is a politically motivated attack with a charge of grevious bodily harm

Now are you going to continue this ridiculous farce or actually admit this man was clearly targeted through hate?

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:36 pm

You are jumping to conclusions. Why don't you wait and see what the authorities come up with?

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Post by phildidge on Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:38 pm

Original Quill wrote:You are jumping to conclusions.  Why don't you wait and see what the authorities come up with?


I am going by how the Police are investigating, hence its actually you jumpoing to conclusions

Happy to wait and if you are wrong, will you publically admit you were wrong?

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Post by Guest on Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:59 pm

Thor wrote:
Original Quill wrote:You are jumping to conclusions.  Why don't you wait and see what the authorities come up with?


I am going by how the Police are investigating, hence its actually you jumpoing to conclusions

Happy to wait and if you are wrong, will you publically admit you were wrong?


He isn't wrong to say wait and don't jump to conclusions.  The fact is we don't know for sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0a4XYCiN50

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Post by phildidge on Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:04 pm

gelico wrote:
Thor wrote:


I am going by how the Police are investigating, hence its actually you jumpoing to conclusions

Happy to wait and if you are wrong, will you publically admit you were wrong?


He isn't wrong to say wait and don't jump to conclusions.  The fact is we don't know for sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0a4XYCiN50


Sorry but I dont abide by Russian TV Gelico, its so unreliable

Again i am going by what the Police are investigating and again there is no indication anything was stolen

Happy not to rule out its a possible robbery and like I say wait for the Police to catch and find out the real reason. Though they had plenty of time to rob him, if that was their motive and yet they fled the scene

To me, it seems more probable it was a deliberate political attack. Just as the Police are investigating

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:21 pm

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Tommy Monk wrote:The media silence about this is disgraceful...

The media has nothing to tell about.  It's not a disgrace, Tommy, it's still a mystery.  You are so anxious to by-pass the investigation process.  Why is that?


If a leader of a fairly big political party is attacked and seriously injured like this, then that is big news in itself...!

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:38 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

The media has nothing to tell about.  It's not a disgrace, Tommy, it's still a mystery.  You are so anxious to by-pass the investigation process.  Why is that?


If a leader of a fairly big political party is attacked and seriously injured like this, then that is big news in itself...!

Big news, indeed. Perhaps the police will find the hoods, but don't hold your breath.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:37 am

If this happened to any other politician then the outcry would be deafening...

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Post by nicko on Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:29 pm

Beat up for his political beliefs !
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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:22 pm

nicko wrote:Beat up for his political beliefs !

Or money. It's the oldest motive on earth. Rolling Eyes

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Post by nicko on Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:21 pm

Thought he still had his Wallet ?
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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:30 pm

nicko wrote:Thought he still had his Wallet ?

But empty! Razz It could be anything, for any reason. Wait for the investigation to finish. It does no good for us to write the story ourselves.

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Post by nicko on Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:17 pm

True, I'm afraid we all put our own interpretation on Media reports !
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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:09 pm

It wasn't a random robbery... that is obvious to everyone...

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:25 pm

He leads a party that is anti-gay, anti-Islam, anti-feminism, anti-social safety net, anti-environment.

I'm not saying he deserved to be beaten, but when you stand for hate, you will be hated.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:13 am

Tommy Monk wrote:It wasn't a random robbery... that is obvious to everyone...

How do prove that? Many want to jump to conclusions that they would want to be true. It's tempting, but the intelligent ones hold back, waiting for real evidence.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:18 am

Thor wrote:
Original Quill wrote:You are jumping to conclusions.  Why don't you wait and see what the authorities come up with?

I am going by how the Police are investigating, hence its actually you jumpoing to conclusions

Happy to wait and if you are wrong, will you publically admit you were wrong?

Is that what is important to you? Do you fear me so?

What prompts your insecurity? Is it just lack of evidence, or are you anxious to turn this story into something else?

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:42 am

That man was beat to send a message, not to get his wallet. Could be something other than political (jealous husband) but that is not a robbery.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:45 am

Maddog wrote:That man was beat to send a message,  not to get his wallet.  Could be something other than political (jealous husband) but that is not a robbery.

I don't think any of us know. I mention robbery only because it is the most obvious motive in unexplained assaults.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:03 am

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Maddog wrote:That man was beat to send a message,  not to get his wallet.  Could be something other than political (jealous husband) but that is not a robbery.

I don't think any of us know.  I mention robbery only because it is the most obvious motive in unexplained assaults.

And it's easy to ascertain pretty quickly. These attackers stuck around to deliver punishment and the police almost always tell people when they think its robbery. Somebody hates this guy. Probably lots of somebodys.

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Post by nicko on Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:29 am

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Post by 'Wolfie on Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:13 am

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
He leads a party that is anti-gay, anti-Islam, anti-feminism, anti-social safety net, anti-environment.

I'm not saying he deserved to be beaten, but when you stand for hate, you will be hated.

Idea

He should have plenty of potential enemies, in that case  !!!

Last seen, local police were on the lookout for a flamboyant lesbian Islamist 'party animal' tree loving single mum whale with serious issues..

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Post by Victorismyhero on Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:20 am

sounds to me like wolfie supports this beating???

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Post by 'Wolfie on Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:51 am

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sounds to me like wolfie supports this beating???

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I thought my post was pretty well neutral...

Neither supporting nor condemning that particular crime -- as it's still early days yet. No suspects, no motive..

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Post by 'Wolfie on Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:55 am

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I don't think any of us know.  I mention robbery only because it is the most obvious motive in unexplained assaults.

And it's easy to ascertain pretty quickly.  These attackers stuck around to deliver punishment and the police almost always tell people when they think its robbery. Somebody hates this guy. Probably lots of somebodys.  

Suspect

Maybe someone dated somebody's sister(s) ?!?

Which would then make it a "personal dispute"..

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:17 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
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And it's easy to ascertain pretty quickly.  These attackers stuck around to deliver punishment and the police almost always tell people when they think its robbery. Somebody hates this guy. Probably lots of somebodys.  

Suspect

Maybe someone dated somebody's sister(s)  ?!?

Which would then make it a "personal dispute"..

Beating him for being a far right leader could be considered personal too. In any event it appears the message was sent.

When you're in the hate business, sometimes the hate gets used on you. Ain't saying its right, but it happens.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:56 pm

Maddog wrote:
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I don't think any of us know.  I mention robbery only because it is the most obvious motive in unexplained assaults.

And it's easy to ascertain pretty quickly.  These attackers stuck around to deliver punishment and the police almost always tell people when they think its robbery. Somebody hates this guy. Probably lots of somebodys.  

The point isn't about robbery. The point is about evidence.

And police have no policy on fortunetelling motive. At the present, this is a common assault with no intent except to mug. Happens everyday in NYC.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:00 pm

Original Quill wrote:
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And it's easy to ascertain pretty quickly.  These attackers stuck around to deliver punishment and the police almost always tell people when they think its robbery. Somebody hates this guy. Probably lots of somebodys.  

The point isn't about robbery.  The point is about evidence.

And police have no policy on fortunetelling motive.  At the present, this is a common assault with no intent except to mug.  Happens everyday in NYC.

It doesn't happen everyday. Most assaults have a reason besides wanting to harm a complete stranger for fun.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:36 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

The point isn't about robbery.  The point is about evidence.

And police have no policy on fortunetelling motive.  At the present, this is a common assault with no intent except to mug.  Happens everyday in NYC.

It doesn't happen everyday. Most assaults have a reason besides wanting to harm a complete stranger for fun.

The issue, besides gossip, is finding out that reason.

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:41 pm

This is no way a robbery


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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:21 am

Why are some people here trying to claim he is 'far right'...?


Please explain...?

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Post by Maddog on Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:34 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Why are some people here trying to claim he is 'far right'...?


Please explain...?

"German far-right MP Frank Magnitz badly hurt in Bremen attack"



I'm not going to get into an argument that tries to figure out where the right, and far right start and stop. It's what the Beeb called him.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:35 am



So... you can't explain... you just say it's cos that's what someone else called him...!?



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Post by Maddog on Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:00 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

So... you can't explain... you just say it's cos that's what someone else called him...!?



The Beeb called him a far right leader. The folks that beat the hell out of him probably considered him a far right leader. I don't have a clue who is, so I'm just going with what has been said. Maybe he's a commie? Shocked

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Post by nicko on Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:19 am

Maddog, Don't always believe the Beeb' !
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Post by 'Wolfie on Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:58 am

nicko wrote:
Maddog,  Don't always believe the Beeb' !

Idea

And, never believe Tommy Monk !!!

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