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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:14 pm

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Police are looking for two further suspects in the case of an alleged gang rape of an 18-year-old woman in the southwestern German city of Freiburg.

Eight men are already in custody connected to the case...

It is understood the woman had left the club and the main suspect, a 22-year-old man, had gone with her. The victim was then allegedly raped. The man then reportedly went back to the club where he told other men that the woman was defenceless outside, and other men reportedly raped her. 

The 22-year-old suspect was described by police as a multiple offender and is suspected of being involved in another case of sexual assault.

The eight suspects in custody are seven Syrian men aged 19 to 29-years-old...

https://www.thelocal.de/20181102/two-more-suspects-being-sought-in-alleged-gang-rape-in-freiburg/amp





AND...



Vigilantes patrol streets of Germany after migrant gang attack 'We WILL create protection'


The patrols come after four teenagers, from Syria, Iran and Afghanistan, targeted passers-by in a series of “random” attacks in Amberg last Saturday.

Witnesses claim the migrants falsely accused people of insulting them before they launched their assault.

Eyewitnesses say a man was pushed down a flight of stairs, while a 17-year-old was taken to hospital with a head injury.

...four migrants left 12 people aged 13 to 42 injured in a series of unprovoked assaults last weekend. 


https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1067172/germany-migrant-attack-Amberg-vigilante-patrol-NPD-germany-news/amp



There is a huge backlash looming...

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:45 pm


I wonder if quill will try to claim that this story is untrue too...


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5530867/Afghan-murdered-EU-officials-daughter-jailed-life-Germany.html



I wonder how many rapes and murders he thinks are an acceptable number committed by Muslim immigrants...?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:45 pm


I wonder if quill will try to claim that this story is untrue too...


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5530867/Afghan-murdered-EU-officials-daughter-jailed-life-Germany.html



I wonder how many rapes and murders he thinks are an acceptable number committed by Muslim immigrants...?

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Post by Guest on Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:50 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
gelico wrote:


yes there are

yes you are


Nobody seems to be able to articulate "the point," then.

Which is, you don't mind crime. You just mind it when non-natives commit it.


no that is not the point, you cretin. How did you get to that?

i mind crime very much actually

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:50 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

Of course studies show this.   The percent of immigrants to natives is less, so there's no comparison with the figures.

No, studies done in places with a large community of immigrants show they commit fewer crimes than native-born people. It's okay, Trump has struggled to accept this FACT as well.


Can you provide any evidence to back up your claim?


Because, here in UK, white British are under represented in numbers in prisons, compared to non white brits...


For example... Muslims in UK are about 3-4% of national population... but make up 15% of prison population...



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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:52 pm

eddie wrote:Aren’t there any German-born rapists then? Or am I missing the point? scratch


Can you show any gangs of Germans raping and/or murdering Muslim immigrant girls/women...!?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:31 am

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eddie wrote:Aren’t there any German-born rapists then? Or am I missing the point? scratch


Can you show any gangs of Germans raping and/or murdering Muslim immigrant girls/women...!?

Dude, what the fuck kind of question is that?

I can find you examples of German men who raped girls and women.

What the very FUCK does it matter what religion or nationality the victims were???

You're fucking SICK.

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Post by eddie on Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:34 am

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eddie wrote:Aren’t there any German-born rapists then? Or am I missing the point? scratch


Can you show any gangs of Germans raping and/or murdering Muslim immigrant girls/women...!?

I just want to know one thing: is it the rape of women you’re objecting to, or just the rape of women by Muslims?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:34 am


So... you can't show any examples of that...


How about... show examples of Muslim immigrants to Germany raping and/or killing Muslim women/girls...!?



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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:03 am

So... you can't show any examples of that either...!?


Which must then prove that the violent crime epidemic is purely from Muslim (So called refugee) immigrants, against the white indigenous non muslem population...!?


But you weasel apologists for evil are trying to argue that this is not happening...!?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:46 am

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Can you show any gangs of Germans raping and/or murdering Muslim immigrant girls/women...!?

Dude, what the fuck kind of question is that?

I can find you examples of German men who raped girls and women.

What the very FUCK does it matter what religion or nationality the victims were???

You're fucking SICK.


It matters very much when it is one specific group targeting only another specific group...!


And you would be one of the first to cry out about it if it were a group of brown skinned muslems who were the victim group being systematically targeted and attacked by gangs of white skinned non muslems... so stop being such a fukkin hypocrite little weasel bitch!!!

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:15 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
I wonder if quill will try to claim that this story is untrue too...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5530867/Afghan-murdered-EU-officials-daughter-jailed-life-Germany.html

I wonder how many rapes and murders he thinks are an acceptable number committed by Muslim immigrants...?

Dude, you are making a quantitative argument. You can't generalize from specifics.

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Post by nicko on Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:54 am

A typical example of "Lawyer speak" Quill, sounds good but means fuck all !
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Post by Guest on Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:51 am

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Can you show any gangs of Germans raping and/or murdering Muslim immigrant girls/women...!?

Dude, what the fuck kind of question is that?

I can find you examples of German men who raped girls and women.

What the very FUCK does it matter what religion or nationality the victims were???

You're fucking SICK.


well, can you or not?

can you find examples of radical christians who,,,,,,

flood into Muslim countries
commit crimes
rape any young Muslim girl they can get hold of
pass them round to friends and family to rape too
insist that officials cover up for their crimes
insist on having a church in every town
try to convert people to chritianity
inisist on having their own laws to suit them
native people feel no justice, native feel pushed aside and their concerns ignored

also assuming that the Muslim mullahs were so trusting and weak that they allowed these radical christians to obtain positions of power throughout every part of life, police, schools, hospitals, etc etc spreading the christian ideology by whatever means possible

they also openly state that they are going to take over, they bomb places, mow people down, stab them, assault them with seeming impunity as the officials declare all christians to be peaceful and that Muslims should be more accommodating and let''s concentrate on christianophobia etc etc


do you think these native people might just be a little pissed off?


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Post by eddie on Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:14 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
So... you can't show any examples of that...


How about... show examples of Muslim immigrants to Germany raping and/or killing Muslim women/girls...!?




So.....I just want to know one thing: is it the rape of women you’re objecting to, or just the rape of women by Muslims?

You sound like a couple of others on here who only care when it’s a black person who’s been killed by a white person and not the other way round.

You do understand that you all sound the same but from opposite sides of the wings....Right?

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:54 am

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Tommy Monk wrote:
I wonder if quill will try to claim that this story is untrue too...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5530867/Afghan-murdered-EU-officials-daughter-jailed-life-Germany.html

I wonder how many rapes and murders he thinks are an acceptable number committed by Muslim immigrants...?

Dude, you are making a quantitative argument.  You can't generalize from specifics.

Surely that depends on how many "specifics" there are. The Rotherham scandal is believed to have affected hundreds of young women and girls, some of them British-born Asians, over a long period and the perpetrators were overwhelmingly men of Pakistani background.

The relatively new crime (for England) of gang-organised aggressive and threatening begging that is now so prominent in London involves predominantly Eastern European, mainly Romanian, immigrants. I have been a target of aggressive begging - in London's Park Lane. It was pretty terrifying, and I'm not easily terrified.

The mass sexual assaults in Cologne and other German cities included not only robbery but abuse, from groping to rape. More than 100 women reported being attacked in Cologne alone and mainly Asian and North African immigrants, welcomed into the country as refugees and asylum seekers, were widely reported as having been the perpetrators.

But still, that's only three "specifics", so perhaps we are overreacting.


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Post by nicko on Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:55 am

I object to anyone raping women, black,white or fucking indigo, but according to reports in the Media it seems that some Muslims make a hobby of it !
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Post by eddie on Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:57 am

I am not denying for one moment, that there isn’t a problem with gangs of Pakistani / Indian men targetting white-skinned women - here in the UK, now Germany and also on fucking Facebook (please do google “Indian guys hittting on women on Facebook”... I get at least twenty a day).

But!

My point is this: perhaps on this forum at least, we have become deafened to certain people saying things and now we don’t listen. Or perhaps some of us feel that certain people only seem to care about making a point and not the subject matter.

For instance:

When has Tommy ever posted a story about Muslims being attacked, or raped, or hurt?

When has Quill ever posted a story about a gang of blacks beating, or killing a white person?

And yes, I’m fully aware that this not the point of the thread but it’s a valid point nonetheless and the reason why some of you can be such a yawnfest.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:45 pm

eddie wrote:I am not denying for one moment, that there isn’t a problem with gangs of Pakistani / Indian men targetting white-skinned women - here in the UK, now Germany and also on fucking Facebook (please do google “Indian guys hittting on women on Facebook”... I get at least twenty a day).

But!

My point is this: perhaps on this forum at least, we have become deafened to certain people saying things and now we don’t listen. Or perhaps some of us feel that certain people only seem to care about making a point and not the subject matter.

For instance:

When has Tommy ever posted a story about Muslims being attacked, or raped, or hurt?

When has Quill ever posted a story about a gang of blacks beating, or killing a white person?

And yes, I’m fully aware that this not the point of the thread but it’s a valid point nonetheless and the reason why some of you can be such a yawnfest.


I thought both already get taken to task over their poor views?

Since when has this changed?

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Post by phildidge on Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:51 pm

Oh and for the record Eddie and what Ben fails to grasp.

Is that what people actually object to in regrds to Germany and other nations where this happens itself. Is that without any checks what so ever. Merkle opened the door to over a million people. Most of whom were young single men. To the point people are questioning this policy of doing so.

So much so, this imcompetance has led to the rise of the Far right. As they have exploited this to gain support. If proper checks were in place and not simple the door opened to people, many of who were not refugees but migrants which again countless criminals got in off the bases off the refugee crises. I doubt there would be any rise of the Far right in many places in the EU. The refugee crises, has led to this in many countries, as people can see with their own eyes, when many people are exploiting this.

I always support refugee status for people who are genuine refugees. I do not support criminals exploiting this.

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Post by nicko on Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:32 pm

Well said !
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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:52 pm

Didge wrote:Is that what people actually object to in regrds to Germany and other nations where this happens itself. Is that without any checks what so ever. Merkle opened the door to over a million people. Most of whom were young single men. To the point people are questioning this policy of doing so.

True. But opening the door is harmless in and of itself. No one has made a quantitative case that immigrants have increased the rate of crime, and indeed general statistics prove that immigrants are less apt to commit crimes than the local population.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:55 pm

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Didge wrote:Is that what people actually object to in regrds to Germany and other nations where this happens itself. Is that without any checks what so ever. Merkle opened the door to over a million people. Most of whom were young single men. To the point people are questioning this policy of doing so.

True.  But opening the door is harmless in and of itself.  No one has made a quantitative case that immigrants have increased the rate of crime, and indeed general statistics prove that immigrants are less apt to commit crimes than the local population.


Which shows again you did not look at the previous stats on increased crime by immigrants and assylum seekers in Germany in the link I provided

Hence an open door is a huge problem, when you are as seen allowing criminals to enter without any checks on people

Now what is the problem having checks on people claiming asylum and wanting to migrate to a new country?

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Post by phildidge on Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:02 pm

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Didge wrote:Is that what people actually object to in regrds to Germany and other nations where this happens itself. Is that without any checks what so ever. Merkle opened the door to over a million people. Most of whom were young single men. To the point people are questioning this policy of doing so.

True.  But opening the door is harmless in and of itself.  No one has made a quantitative case that immigrants have increased the rate of crime, and indeed general statistics prove that immigrants are less apt to commit crimes than the local population.

BBC wrote:According to Germany's Interior Ministry, 27 illegal migrants either committed or attempted to commit murder or manslaughter in 2017.

The 447 figure used by AfD actually refers to all asylum seekers and refugees, most of whom are in Germany legally.

Overall this group was 15% of the total 2,971 suspects linked to these crimes in Germany last year.

That means that the majority have actually been granted asylum and represented 15% of these types of crimes

People who have been granted asyum, then went on to commit murder, attempted murder or manslaughter

Do you not think people would be very angry, that such people granted asylum went onto abuse this hospitality Quill?

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BBC wrote:Bar a blip in the mid-2000s, overall crime has been decreasing in Germany since the early 1990s.

But that changed in 2015 - about the same time hundreds of thousands of refugees began entering the country.

In 2014, there were 6.1 million offences recorded by the police. By 2016, this had risen to 6.4 million - these figures include immigration violations which, inevitably, impact migrants..

Within that, violent crime rose from 180,000 cases to 193,000 between 2014 and 2016.

The number of murders increased by 14.6% and rapes by 8%, over the same period.

However, last year saw the total recorded crimes, including immigration violations, drop by 10%.

Equally, violent crime showed a 2.5% decrease between 2016 and 2017.

Since 2014, the proportion of non-German suspects in the crime statistics has increased from 24% to just over 30% (when we take out crimes related to immigration and asylum irregularities).

Breaking that down even further, in 2017 those classified as "asylum applicants or civil war refugees or illegal immigrants" represented a total of 8.5% of all suspects.

This is despite their population representing just 2% of Germany as a whole.

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That is a staggering proportion of crime in Germany, by asylum seekers, refugees and illegal immigrants

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:26 pm

Didge wrote:So much so, this imcompetance has led to the rise of the Far right. As they have exploited this to gain support. If proper checks were in place and not simple the door opened to people, many of who were not refugees but migrants which again countless criminals got in off the bases off the refugee crises. I doubt there would be any rise of the Far right in many places in the EU. The refugee crises, has led to this in many countries, as people can see with their own eyes, when many people are exploiting this.

Absolutely...the unrest of the far right is what gives unscrupulous sorts the opportunity to twist our political system, very much like the 1930's.

Imagine a movie mogul looking for his next hit. He sees plots everywhere, but one in particular catches his attention. What if, he imagines, all of these immigrants coming in were actually pod people, looking to steal our babies and ravish them? What a great plot!

Only, instead of a movie mogul, it's someone willing to corrupt our political values and electoral machinery. Germany, with immigrants coming from the east, the UK with Brexit, and the US with immigrants coming from the south, are perfect countries on which to produce this spectacular.

The so-called far right is not so much evil, as malleable dupes who can be herded into that corral.

What would you do as the mogul? You would seize upon a few crimes of these immigrants, publicize the hell out of them, and start rumors that they are really agents of the "pod people", or in the actual present situation, the "deep state", the "fake news" press and some manipulative, nebulous elite...or, go with the more pejorative, the browned-skinned hoards are coming to take advantage of our 'good life'.

My money is on the Russians, trying to climb back into global prominence now that they have reincarnated into criminal gangs and taken over the country.

Check with the CIA and MI6, they know the truth.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:37 pm

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Didge wrote:So much so, this imcompetance has led to the rise of the Far right. As they have exploited this to gain support. If proper checks were in place and not simple the door opened to people, many of who were not refugees but migrants which again countless criminals got in off the bases off the refugee crises. I doubt there would be any rise of the Far right in many places in the EU. The refugee crises, has led to this in many countries, as people can see with their own eyes, when many people are exploiting this.

Absolutely...the unrest of the far right is what gives unscrupulous sorts the opportunity to twist our political system, very much like the 1930's.


You avoided the points and went off the Far right

Jews were neither commiting large numbers of crime in Germany, Poland, Russia etc, but were blamed for them throughout Europe, the Middle East and North Africa during the 20th century and still are today. They are even blamd for 9/11, when that was Muslim extremists

The Nazi's blamed the Jews for communism, the Communists blamed them for capitalism. In every aspects the Jews continually are blamed for all the worlds problems.

Now many Jews had fled Russia due to the pogroms and yet even today, Jews are being targeted by both the left and right through antisemitism. Its just mutated the antisemitism, as it has many times in history. No other groups is targeted with hate racism by both the left and right, as the Jews are. Today even where Jews have a safe haven in the state of Israel, people on the left and right wish to see the state of Israel destroyed. That shows more than anything and even today, Jews are still the one group targeted with hate in more nations and more places than any other group in history.

Anyway this is about as seen real levels of crime.

Now the Jews are continually used as scapegoats and often Muslims today are used as scapegoats, which the Far right use to exploit and gain support, but again this is a massive big but. There is a problem with criminals from Africa, souther Asian countries and the Middle East exploiting the situation of refugees and many who claim to be refugees actually also go on to commit crimes. This has to be talked about and actually something has to be done, in order that genuine refugees are not placed into the same category, but will be when such crime levels are so high

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BBC wrote:According to Germany's Interior Ministry, 27 illegal migrants either committed or attempted to commit murder or manslaughter in 2017.

The 447 figure used by AfD actually refers to all asylum seekers and refugees, most of whom are in Germany legally.

Overall this group was 15% of the total 2,971 suspects linked to these crimes in Germany last year.

That means that the majority have actually been granted asylum and represented 15% of these types of crimes

People who have been granted asyum, then went on to commit murder, attempted murder or manslaughter

Do you not think people would be very angry, that such people granted asylum went onto abuse this hospitality Quill?

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BBC wrote:Bar a blip in the mid-2000s, overall crime has been decreasing in Germany since the early 1990s.

But that changed in 2015 - about the same time hundreds of thousands of refugees began entering the country.

In 2014, there were 6.1 million offences recorded by the police. By 2016, this had risen to 6.4 million - these figures include immigration violations which, inevitably, impact migrants..

Within that, violent crime rose from 180,000 cases to 193,000 between 2014 and 2016.

The number of murders increased by 14.6% and rapes by 8%, over the same period.

However, last year saw the total recorded crimes, including immigration violations, drop by 10%.

Equally, violent crime showed a 2.5% decrease between 2016 and 2017.

Since 2014, the proportion of non-German suspects in the crime statistics has increased from 24% to just over 30% (when we take out crimes related to immigration and asylum irregularities).

Breaking that down even further, in 2017 those classified as "asylum applicants or civil war refugees or illegal immigrants" represented a total of 8.5% of all suspects.

This is despite their population representing just 2% of Germany as a whole.

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That is a staggering proportion of crime in Germany, by asylum seekers, refugees and illegal immigrants

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:22 pm

A few people have completely missed the point, despite having it explained to them. I mean you - eddie and Ben. Quill probably missed the point too - I didn't bother to check.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:52 pm

Didge wrote:You avoided the points and went off the Far right

Seriously, I'm only giving my point.  With the rise of global media, comes the rise of global trickery.  The Russians got the jump on the whole world with this.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:56 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:You avoided the points and went off the Far right

Seriously, I'm only giving my point.  With the rise of global media, comes the rise of global trickery.  The Russians got the jump on the whole world with this.


So if that is the case Quill, then why are you wrongly claiming fake to facts on this?

If you want to stop the far right, claiming fake news to facts is not helping this, is it?

If you actually taked honestly about these problems, you would starve the far right of their ammunition

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:23 pm

Thor wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Seriously, I'm only giving my point.  With the rise of global media, comes the rise of global trickery.  The Russians got the jump on the whole world with this.


So if that is the case Quill, then why are you wrongly claiming fake to facts on this?

If you want to stop the far right, claiming fake news to facts is not helping this, is it?

If you actually taked honestly about these problems, you would starve the far right of their ammunition

As I understand it, the Internet Research Agency plants and expands stories, from which they create impressions (they have psychologists to help them engineer the frames). Take a look at The Guardian, dated 19 March 2018:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/data-war-whistleblower-christopher-wylie-faceook-nix-bannon-trump

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Post by phildidge on Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:27 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thor wrote:


So if that is the case Quill, then why are you wrongly claiming fake to facts on this?

If you want to stop the far right, claiming fake news to facts is not helping this, is it?

If you actually taked honestly about these problems, you would starve the far right of their ammunition

As I understand it, the Internet Research Agency plants and expands stories, from which they create impressions (they have psychologists to help them engineer the frames).  Take a look at The Guardian, dated 19 March 2018:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/data-war-whistleblower-christopher-wylie-faceook-nix-bannon-trump


Do you want me to show fake stories that the guardian is also guilty of printing?

How about what else I posted today from the democracts?

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t25932-another-democrat-scandal-caught-meddling-in-election-again

What has any of that got to do though with the facts I presented by the most left leaning media source, the BBC on crimes in Germany mate?

I shall look in tomorrow

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:30 pm

Read it when you get the time. It paints the picture of the new world deception that I have been describing.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:28 am

Razz

Dodger is truly obsessed with his imaginative "left-leaning" mythologising and fearmongering these days...

Anna Merkel is centre-right,
The German government is centre-right,
The US Democrats are a centre-right 'free trade' party..

And both the BBC and Guardian are clearly more honest and believable than some of those suspect propaganda sites that Dodgey Didge regularly refers to.

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Post by phildidge on Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:36 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Razz

Dodger is truly obsessed with his imaginative "left-leaning" mythologising and fearmongering these days...

Anna Merkel is centre-right,
The German government is centre-right,
The US Democrats are a centre-right 'free trade' party..

And both the BBC and Guardian are clearly more honest and believable than some of those suspect propaganda sites that Dodgey Didge regularly refers to.


She is center left and right on certain issues

You sadly cast everyone with a blanket stance

Guardian honest or bbc?

lol

How about you actually tackle the points at hand eh?

Good luck

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Post by nicko on Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:10 am

The BBC honest ? They are now a left wing "party",
All their political programs are slated against Brexit, and they are supposed to be neutral, it stands out a mile !
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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:48 am

nicko wrote:The BBC honest ?   They are now a left wing "party",
All their political programs are slated against Brexit, and  they are supposed to be neutral, it stands out a mile !

Well, its own former Director General Mark Thompson once famously admitted "...a massive Left wing bias at the BBC" (his words) and the Centre for Policy Studies concluded that the beeb was twice as likely to cover Left wing policies than Right wing ones.  

Some of its most senior appointments have been handed to Left wingers and its comedy output and choice of studio audiences is notoriously biased towards the Left. Question Time, in which I have been involved on a few occasions, always seemed to me to have been deliberately packed with mainly Left audiences and when I was once asked by a programme researcher to provide the names of half a dozen farmers to join an audience at which the then minister of agriculture was a panelist I was told quite openly "...and we don't  want any Tory barley barons..."

As part of my job I spent a hell of a lot of time in BBC newsrooms - national, regional and local - and you'd be amazed at some of the Left and even far Left notices, posters and propaganda that adorned the notice boards and individual workspaces.

One pointer to look out for is when parliamentary matters are being covered, on both BBC radio and TV:  All too frequently, the Labour Opposition will be invited to comment - which, of course, is perfectly correct procedure - and the presenter then introduces the piece, not with details about the Government announcement but with the   words "the government has been forced to defend....."

The intended subliminal message to the viewer or listener is "the wicked Tories are about to do something nasty and the noble Labour party has got them on the back foot."

Oddly, I don't recall that sort of "news management" happening so often during the Blair/Brown era.

Mind you, Owen Jones has described the BBC as being Right wing...but let's face it, anything or anybody marginally to the right of Che Guevara is "Far Right" in the eyes of that buffoon.
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Post by 'Wolfie on Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:50 pm

gelico wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Dude, what the fuck kind of question is that?

I can find you examples of German men who raped girls and women.

What the very FUCK does it matter what religion or nationality the victims were???

You're fucking SICK.


well, can you or not?

can you find examples of radical christians who,,,,,,

flood into Muslim countries
commit crimes
rape any young Muslim girl they can get hold of
pass them round to friends and family to rape too
insist that officials cover up for their crimes
insist on having a church in every town
try to convert people to chritianity
inisist on having their own laws to suit them
native people feel no justice, native feel pushed aside and their concerns ignored

also assuming that the Muslim mullahs were so trusting and weak that they allowed these radical christians to obtain positions of power throughout every part of life, police, schools, hospitals, etc etc spreading the christian ideology by whatever means possible

they also openly state that they are going to take over, they bomb places, mow people down, stab them, assault them with seeming impunity as the officials declare all christians to be peaceful and that Muslims should be more accommodating and let''s concentrate on christianophobia etc etc


do you think these native people might just be a little pissed off?

Suspect

You really are one fucked up, ignorantly stupid, neo-nazi bigot, gellibellico...

Have you never heard of those "Jesus Army" gangs in Africa ???

And, are you so ignorant that you are totally unaware of just what those good Englische and Scottish boys were getting up to out in the colonies over the 18th and 19th centuries, ably backed up by his&her maj's finest sailors and troopers ???

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Post by phildidge on Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:59 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
gelico wrote:


well, can you or not?

can you find examples of radical christians who,,,,,,

flood into Muslim countries
commit crimes
rape any young Muslim girl they can get hold of
pass them round to friends and family to rape too
insist that officials cover up for their crimes
insist on having a church in every town
try to convert people to chritianity
inisist on having their own laws to suit them
native people feel no justice, native feel pushed aside and their concerns ignored

also assuming that the Muslim mullahs were so trusting and weak that they allowed these radical christians to obtain positions of power throughout every part of life, police, schools, hospitals, etc etc spreading the christian ideology by whatever means possible

they also openly state that they are going to take over, they bomb places, mow people down, stab them, assault them with seeming impunity as the officials declare all christians to be peaceful and that Muslims should be more accommodating and let''s concentrate on christianophobia etc etc


do you think these native people might just be a little pissed off?

Suspect

You really are one fucked up, ignorantly stupid, neo-nazi bigot,  gellibellico...

Have you never heard of those "Jesus Army" gangs in Africa  ???

And, are you so ignorant that you are totally unaware of just what those good Englische and Scottish boys were getting up to out in the colonies over the 18th and 19th centuries, ably backed up by his&her maj's finest sailors and troopers ???

Which African, Middle East and Asian Muslim countries are they flooding into and doing any of the following that Gelico listed?

How many African descendents of slaves are alive today in the Middle East from the Arab Slave trade?

There is certainly a couple of African nations like Central African Republic, where Christian terrorism and extremism is rife and completely condemn, but these are all predominantly Christian nations. Not Muslim nations.

And stop calling anyone right of Stalin a neo -nazi, when she in no way upholds Nazi views

You have not got the first clue what a Nazi is.

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Post by Guest on Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:09 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
gelico wrote:


well, can you or not?

can you find examples of radical christians who,,,,,,

flood into Muslim countries
commit crimes
rape any young Muslim girl they can get hold of
pass them round to friends and family to rape too
insist that officials cover up for their crimes
insist on having a church in every town
try to convert people to chritianity
inisist on having their own laws to suit them
native people feel no justice, native feel pushed aside and their concerns ignored

also assuming that the Muslim mullahs were so trusting and weak that they allowed these radical christians to obtain positions of power throughout every part of life, police, schools, hospitals, etc etc spreading the christian ideology by whatever means possible

they also openly state that they are going to take over, they bomb places, mow people down, stab them, assault them with seeming impunity as the officials declare all christians to be peaceful and that Muslims should be more accommodating and let''s concentrate on christianophobia etc etc


do you think these native people might just be a little pissed off?

Suspect

You really are one fucked up, ignorantly stupid, neo-nazi bigot,  gellibellico...

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Have you never heard of those "Jesus Army" gangs in Africa  ???

flooding into islamic countries and raping little Muslim girls all over the shop and blowing people up and declaring their intention to take over? no, tbh i can't say i have

And, are you so ignorant that you are totally unaware of just what those good Englische and Scottish boys were getting up to out in the colonies over the 18th and 19th centuries, ably backed up by his&her maj's finest sailors and troopers ???

yes, but we are talking about the current situation not centuries ago

keep up, now

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Post by eddie on Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:43 pm

Have to laugh at posters who used crimes committed seventy five million years ago to make their point of today’s problems. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:45 pm

Fred M. wrote:The intended subliminal message to the viewer or listener is "the wicked Tories are about to do something nasty and the noble Labour party has got them on the back foot."

Nonetheless, it changes the whole thing to realize that this is not a trend, but is created by Russian operatives.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:56 pm

Fred M. wrote:Oddly, I don't recall that sort of "news management" happening so often during the Blair/Brown era.

Nor were there nukes in Napoleon's day.

The technology and infrastructure are different. They are growing by leaps and bounds, every six months. Why do you think there are so many gazillionaire children in the world?

Russia is just quick on the draw.

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:14 pm

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Fred M. wrote:Oddly, I don't recall that sort of "news management" happening so often during the Blair/Brown era.

Nor were there nukes in Napoleon's day.

The technology and infrastructure are different.  They are growing by leaps and bounds, every six months.  Why do you think there are so many gazillionaire children in the world?

Russia is just quick on the draw.

The words "that sort of" might well be interpreted to mean that subliminal political bias by a national news broadcaster is somewhat more modern 1815!

Personally, I would have no real problem with BBC bias if the organisation were not (a) our national broadcast medium which taxpayers are legally obliged to fund via what is a virtual poll tax, non-payment of which can be punished by heavy fines and/or imprisonment, and (b) its Royal Charter specifically forbids the BBC to favour one political party against another; i.e. it is supposed to be fairly balanced in its coverage of political news and current affairs.

It isn't.

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:19 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Fred M. wrote:The intended subliminal message to the viewer or listener is "the wicked Tories are about to do something nasty and the noble Labour party has got them on the back foot."

Nonetheless, it changes the whole thing to realize that this is not a trend, but is created by Russian operatives.

Quill, you're seeing the old equivalent of Reds under the bed.

I'm in no way denying Russia's widespread meddling at present, but this sort of practice was prevalent during the John Major Tory administration and even more so during the Thatcher era, when there was blatant hostility to her government and the lady herself.
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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:25 pm

Thor wrote:Oh and for the record Eddie and what Ben fails to grasp.

Is that what people actually object to in regrds to Germany and other nations where this happens itself. Is that without any checks what so ever. Merkle opened the door to over a million people. Most of whom were young single men. To the point people are questioning this policy of doing so.

So much so, this imcompetance has led to the rise of the Far right. As they have exploited this to gain support. If proper checks were in place and not simple the door opened to people, many of who were not refugees but migrants which again countless criminals got in off the bases off the refugee crises. I doubt there would be any rise of the Far right in many places in the EU. The refugee crises, has led to this in many countries, as people can see with their own eyes, when many people are exploiting this.

I always support refugee status for people who are genuine refugees. I do not support criminals exploiting this.

But what you and some others here don't seem to understand is that criminals are going to exploit literally everything under the sun.

You can't create a system or a program or anything else without people trying to exploit it or game it.

That's part of life, nothing to be done except police it as well as possible.

Your side seems to argue that because there have been criminals, no asylum seekers should have been admitted.

The nihilism of the right - "Nothing works 100 percent effectively, so better to just never try anything."

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:28 pm

Let's put it this way. Say 1,000 people have applied for asylum, and 1 in 100 is a criminal. So 990 innocent people and 10 criminals.

Is it better to not help 990 innocent people in order to prevent 10 criminals from entering your country?

What will happen to those 990 innocent people if they aren't helped?

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Post by phildidge on Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:29 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Thor wrote:Oh and for the record Eddie and what Ben fails to grasp.

Is that what people actually object to in regrds to Germany and other nations where this happens itself. Is that without any checks what so ever. Merkle opened the door to over a million people. Most of whom were young single men. To the point people are questioning this policy of doing so.

So much so, this imcompetance has led to the rise of the Far right. As they have exploited this to gain support. If proper checks were in place and not simple the door opened to people, many of who were not refugees but migrants which again countless criminals got in off the bases off the refugee crises. I doubt there would be any rise of the Far right in many places in the EU. The refugee crises, has led to this in many countries, as people can see with their own eyes, when many people are exploiting this.

I always support refugee status for people who are genuine refugees. I do not support criminals exploiting this.

But what you and some others here don't seem to understand is that criminals are going to exploit literally everything under the sun.

You can't create a system or a program or anything else without people trying to exploit it or game it.

That's part of life, nothing to be done except police it as well as possible.

Your side seems to argue that because there have been criminals, no asylum seekers should have been admitted.

The nihilism of the right - "Nothing works 100 percent effectively, so better to just never try anything."


1) Never denied that they do

2) Of course you can, where you have strict entry system for that country. Just look at Australia. Look at the recent Saudi case of the girl. They want to help, but are vetting her case. That is how it should be done and it will know doubt take time

3) Nobody is also expecting you stop all criminals, but you certainly weedle out a vast number of people, if they are not genuine asylum seekers

4) What side? What did you fail to grasp about my last point?

I always support refugee status for people who are genuine refugees. I do not support criminals exploiting this.

Does that sound like I think no asylum seekers should be admitted?

Seriously?

I suggest you actually fully read what I have said before replying with things I never claimed

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Post by phildidge on Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:35 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:Let's put it this way. Say 1,000 people have applied for asylum, and 1 in 100 is a criminal. So 990 innocent people and 10 criminals.

Is it better to not help 990 innocent people in order to prevent 10 criminals from entering your country?

What will happen to those 990 innocent people if they aren't helped?

You glaringly again miss the point

In Germany the door was opened to around a million people based off the Syrian civil war. Of which you spoke openly against getting involved in. To the extent this was one of the worst refugee crises in years, far worse than anything in the Iraq or Afghanistan war. People were simple allowed to come in without checks and now within that time, there was a increase in murder, violent and crime and rape. To the extent 15% or murders, attempted murders and manslaughter have been committed by asylum seekers and immigrants between a two year period with this. That is a substancial number. Now work off that number based on a million people being let in?

Can you not see how many would be rightly be angered and again how also people would be suspect of asylum seekers. When clearly a million people have been classed as such and let in without any checks? When in reality the vast majority were not asylum seekers but simple migrants.

Of course there is many genuine asylum seekers, but again, many criminals and migrants exploited the refugee crises

So in your scenario, how many of those would have gotten in, if there had been proper checks?

If proper checks had of happened, many genuine asylum seekers would have gotten in and there would not have been this large rise in crime and we would not have been talking about this. Instead the numbers of crime would have been vastly lower

Do you not see that?

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Post by nicko on Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:54 pm

Merkle has a lot to answer for !
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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:36 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Nonetheless, it changes the whole thing to realize that this is not a trend, but is created by Russian operatives.

Quill, you're seeing the old equivalent of Reds under the bed.

I'm in no way denying Russia's widespread meddling at present, but this sort of practice was prevalent during the John Major Tory administration and even more so during the Thatcher era, when there was blatant hostility to her government and the lady herself.

Well, they've changed their chant, but never their motives. Never trust a Slav. Intriguing how they have caught on to the internet. Something sneaky about chess players.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:35 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Quill, you're seeing the old equivalent of Reds under the bed.

I'm in no way denying Russia's widespread meddling at present, but this sort of practice was prevalent during the John Major Tory administration and even more so during the Thatcher era, when there was blatant hostility to her government and the lady herself.

Well, they've changed their chant, but never their motives.  Never trust a Slav.  Intriguing how they have caught on to the internet.  Something sneaky about chess players.

All Slavs or just some of them?

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