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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:48 am


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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:52 am

Man alive he is one ugly boring fuck

He is like the modern Goebbels

He is full of shit and scaremongering and is such a bore

He will not be happy until the Far right rules the west and idiots like Tommy buy his bullshit

I mesan listen to his words. Nobody is actually censoring freedom of speech, but he wants to make people believe this

Only an idiot would buy into such an idiots propaganda

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:01 am



Only an idiot would say that support for the first amendment was 'far right'... eh didge...?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:04 am



And the funny thing didge... the video is over 12 minutes long... but you made your post only 4 minutes after I posted the video up...!!!


Which shows that you clearly didn't even watch it... let alone understand it...!!!


Maybe you should go get a job at 'der speigel'...!?


lol!

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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:07 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

And the funny thing didge... the video is over 12 minutes long... but you made your post only 4 minutes after I posted the video up...!!!


Which shows that you clearly didn't even watch it... let alone understand it...!!!


Maybe you should go get a job at 'der speigel'...!?


lol!

How do you not know whether I have seen the video before?

Laughing

Is that your defense for his far right fuckwittery?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:09 am

Thor wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

And the funny thing didge... the video is over 12 minutes long... but you made your post only 4 minutes after I posted the video up...!!!


Which shows that you clearly didn't even watch it... let alone understand it...!!!


Maybe you should go get a job at 'der speigel'...!?


lol!

How do you not know whether I have seen the video before?

Laughing

Is that your defense for his far right fuckwittery?




Tommy Monk wrote:

Only an idiot would say that support for the first amendment was 'far right'... eh didge...?


lol!


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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:10 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Only an idiot would say that support for the first amendment was 'far right'... eh didge...?

Who claimed that Tommy?


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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:13 am

Thor wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Who claimed that Tommy?



You did... or haven't you watched/understood the video...!?


lol!


You're making yourself look like a right twat here...!!!


lol!

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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:15 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thor wrote:


Who claimed that Tommy?



You did... or haven't you watched/understood the video...!?


lol!


You're making yourself look like a right twat here...!!!


lol!

Again, who claimed that?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:17 am

Thor wrote:Man alive he is one ugly boring fuck

He is like the modern Goebbels

He is full of shit and scaremongering and is such a bore

He will not be happy until the Far right rules the west and idiots like Tommy buy his bullshit

I mesan listen to his words. Nobody is actually censoring freedom of speech, but he wants to make people believe this

Only an idiot would buy into such an idiots propaganda



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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:18 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thor wrote:Man alive he is one ugly boring fuck

He is like the modern Goebbels

He is full of shit and scaremongering and is such a bore

He will not be happy until the Far right rules the west and idiots like Tommy buy his bullshit

I mesan listen to his words. Nobody is actually censoring freedom of speech, but he wants to make people believe this

Only an idiot would buy into such an idiots propaganda



Again, who claimed anything on the first ammenment?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:21 am

Thor wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:



Again, who claimed anything on the first ammenment?



lol!


As I said... you obviously haven't watched/understood the video...!!!


lol!

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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:23 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thor wrote:




Again, who claimed anything on the first ammenment?



lol!


As I said... you obviously haven't watched/understood the video...!!!


lol!

Again, who claimed anything on the first ammenment?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:58 am



lol!



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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:58 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

lol!



Again, who claimed anything on the first ammenment?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:20 pm



You commented on the video...


You should know...


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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:20 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

You commented on the video...


You should know...


lol!
Again, who claimed anything on the first ammenment?

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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:23 pm

To futher extend on my point

Show me how the first ammendment is being stopped Tommy?

Over to you?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:24 pm




If you had watched/understood the video... you would know...

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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:27 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:


If you had watched/understood the video... you would know...

I have watched and he is lying

Show me how the first ammenment is being broken?

Over to you

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:34 pm

First you say he's 'far right' for supporting the 1st amendment... now you say he's lying...!?


Can you explain your claims?

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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:36 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:First you say he's 'far right' for supporting the 1st amendment... now you say he's lying...!?


Can you explain your claims?

Copout and misdirection

I asked you questions and now you cannot back them up

Hence he lied and is completely a Nazi

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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:38 pm

When I am back, I hope you have evidence for your claims, that the first ammendment has been broken Tommy.

I dont want some bullshit like from eilzel using Veya to get out of him being a little scum bag

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:40 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:First you say he's 'far right' for supporting the 1st amendment... now you say he's lying...!?


Can you explain your claims?

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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:33 pm

Thor wrote:When I am back, I hope you have evidence for your claims, that the first ammendment has been broken Tommy.

I dont want some bullshit like from eilzel using Veya to get out of him being a little scum bag

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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:35 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:First you say he's 'far right' for supporting the 1st amendment... now you say he's lying...!?


Can you explain your claims?

Show me once where I stated he was far right for suporting the first ammenment?

Never did

Your words not mine

I claimed he is far right scum, of which he is

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Post by 'Wolfie on Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:56 am

Suspect

IS that Tommy's dad in that video  ???

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:48 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Suspect

IS that Tommy's dad in that video  ???

.


No... it's your mum...!

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:33 pm

I find it hysterical that he throws around the phrase "miseducated halfwits" while hand-waving away the truth that completely undermines his argument:

The First Amendment regulates the relationship between the government and publishers - ie it's illegal for the government to tell a publisher what and what not to publish (though the judicial branch has granted the government some say in these matters, such as hate speech and some kinds of pornography).

The First Amendment does not in any way regulate the relationship between publishers and writers, etc.

Publishers aren't required to print and distribute every manuscript submitted to them.

Record labels are not obligated to record and release every album.

Studios aren't forced to turn every script sent to them into a movie.

And Facebook isn't required to allow people to post whatever they want.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:47 pm

He clearly has a persecution complex. I wonder if this is where RW drollery comes from.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:42 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:I find it hysterical that he throws around the phrase "miseducated halfwits" while hand-waving away the truth that completely undermines his argument:

The First Amendment regulates the relationship between the government and publishers - ie it's illegal for the government to tell a publisher what and what not to publish (though the judicial branch has granted the government some say in these matters, such as hate speech and some kinds of pornography).

The First Amendment does not in any way regulate the relationship between publishers and writers, etc.

Publishers aren't required to print and distribute every manuscript submitted to them.

Record labels are not obligated to record and release every album.

Studios aren't forced to turn every script sent to them into a movie.

And Facebook isn't required to allow people to post whatever they want.


No... he was talking about a load of your top university students who thought it a good idea to get rid of the 1st amendment...

And about how it is a tragic failure of the lefty's in the education system where students aren't taught to think but just to repeat lefty ideology...




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Post by Original Quill on Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:57 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:No... he was talking about a load of your top university students who thought it a good idea to get rid of the 1st amendment...

And about how it is a tragic failure of the lefty's in the education system where students aren't taught to think but just to repeat lefty ideology...

Whatever, he fears them. Never heard such whining... Evil or Very Mad

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Post by 'Wolfie on Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:59 pm

Razz

Note how these neo-nazis thrive on trading in endless rumoirs on these propaganda videos, with zero evidence to back up their wild claims...

As do their ignorantly willing boosters on here, and elsewhere..

Loads of lefty university students, blah blah blah......
Thousands of criminal 'immigrant' rapists and drug dealers
Zionist-controlled communist/socialist media outlets
Attacks on "constitutionally-protected 'free speech'"
Obama was a Muslim plant
Merkel is a lefty/liberal stooge


Never bothering to actually look at either the proportions and per centages of crimes committed by their scapegoats in comparison to the wider populations..

Knowing quite well that the target audiences for their propaganda have never even read their constitutions (and, is Tommy even aware that Britain doesn't even have a constitution ?), nor follow up on news events;  but are only looking for more propaganda to support their own bigotries.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:18 am




Try actually looking at his youtube link info...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uz19w7tf1U

And you will see that he has posted a list of links to back up all his claims...!



Also...

https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/britains-unwritten-constitution

So I don't know what relevant point you think you are making about any of it...!?



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One more thing...


I bet you can't provide a single shred of evidence that pat condell is any type of "neo nazi"...!?



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Post by Original Quill on Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:17 am

I think he's a Russian plant, aimed at sowing division and discord. Their project is not to prove what they say, but to create the impression that the west is hopelessly divided and about to crack.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:14 pm

Wafffle...

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:27 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Razz

Note how these neo-nazis thrive on trading in endless rumoirs on these propaganda videos, with zero evidence to back up their wild claims...

As do their ignorantly willing boosters on here, and elsewhere..

Loads of lefty university students, blah blah blah......
Thousands of criminal 'immigrant' rapists and drug dealers
Zionist-controlled communist/socialist media outlets
Attacks on "constitutionally-protected 'free speech'"
Obama was a Muslim plant
Merkel is a lefty/liberal stooge


Never bothering to actually look at either the proportions and per centages of crimes committed by their scapegoats in comparison to the wider populations..

Knowing quite well that the target audiences for their propaganda have never even read their constitutions (and, is Tommy even aware that Britain doesn't even have a constitution ?), nor follow up on news events;  but are only looking for more propaganda to support their own bigotries.

Britain most certainly does have a Constitution, and I suspect that Tommy may be more aware of it than you appear to be.

It is an "uncodified" or unwritten Constitution and is based principally on statute (enacted by Parliament) and common (judgements of the courts) law together with other Acts of Parliament throughout our history.

It could also be argued (I did so many years ago) that the 18th and 19th centuries Acts of Union together with the early 20th century Parliament Acts combine to create a British, as opposed to English, Constitution and are certainly written, though not admittedly on one single document.

And, of course, we have the Magna Carta of 1215 (a handsome facsimile of which is displayed in pride of place in my study)...and that, I suggest, trumps (oops! Sorry!) that Johnny-come-Lately sheet of velum of which our American friends are so proud.
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Post by Original Quill on Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:23 pm

Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Britain has no constitution. As Tom Clancy said:

"It Didn't Happen If You Didn't Write It Down".

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:15 pm

Original Quill wrote:Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Britain has no constitution.  As Tom Clancy said:

"It Didn't Happen If You Didn't Write It Down".

Nay, nay, nay...Britain does have a constitution.

Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second will, I am sure, be intrigued to learn that according to Mr Clancy, fine and accomplished author though he may be, she does not exist.

But she is, regardless of his particular definition of happenstance, a constitutional monarch, as have been her forebears over centuries, acting in accordance with a written or unwritten constitution.

It was political theorist Walter Bagehot who defined the three principle political rights of a constitutional monarch (to be consulted, to encourage and to warn) and even he was way behind the times because the Bronze Age Hittite kings reigned according to a similar system.

Those rights, together with the rights of commoners, were broadly enshrined in our (written) Magna Carta (even though King John largely tore it up as soon as the barons galloped away from Runnymede!)

And the various Acts of Union that established the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland were most certainly written down, and it is on those that our modern constitution, unwritten though it may be, is largely based.

We may not be able to wave a single piece of paper around, as can you and your countrymen, but our constitution is just as real - and just as effective - as yours. And it is a bloody site older.



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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:22 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Britain has no constitution.  As Tom Clancy said:

"It Didn't Happen If You Didn't Write It Down".

Nay, nay, nay...Britain does have a constitution.

Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second will, I am sure, be intrigued to learn that according to Mr Clancy, fine and accomplished author though he may be, she does not exist.

But she is, regardless of his particular definition of happenstance,  a constitutional monarch, as have been her forebears over centuries, acting in accordance with a written or unwritten constitution.

It was political theorist Walter Bagehot who defined the three principle political rights of a constitutional monarch (to be consulted, to encourage and to warn) and even he was way behind the times because the Bronze Age Hittite kings reigned according to a similar system.

Those rights, together with the rights of commoners, were broadly enshrined in our (written) Magna Carta (even though King John largely tore it up as soon as the barons galloped away from Runnymede!)

And the various Acts of Union that established the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland were most certainly written down, and it is on those that our modern constitution, unwritten though it may be, is largely based.

We may not be able to wave a single piece of paper around, as can you and your countrymen, but our constitution is just as real - and just as effective - as yours. And it is a bloody site older.




Your constitution may be older, but our government is older. The UK government as it exists today formed several decades after the U.S. ratified its constitution.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:32 pm

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Original Quill wrote:Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Britain has no constitution.  As Tom Clancy said:

"It Didn't Happen If You Didn't Write It Down".

Nay, nay, nay...Britain does have a constitution.

Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second will, I am sure, be intrigued to learn that according to Mr Clancy, fine and accomplished author though he may be, she does not exist.

But she is, regardless of his particular definition of happenstance,  a constitutional monarch, as have been her forebears over centuries, acting in accordance with a written or unwritten constitution.

It was political theorist Walter Bagehot who defined the three principle political rights of a constitutional monarch (to be consulted, to encourage and to warn) and even he was way behind the times because the Bronze Age Hittite kings reigned according to a similar system.

Those rights, together with the rights of commoners, were broadly enshrined in our (written) Magna Carta (even though King John largely tore it up as soon as the barons galloped away from Runnymede!)

And the various Acts of Union that established the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland were most certainly written down, and it is on those that our modern constitution, unwritten though it may be, is largely based.

We may not be able to wave a single piece of paper around, as can you and your countrymen, but our constitution is just as real - and just as effective - as yours. And it is a bloody site older.

Rolling Eyes

Blah, blah, blah...

Not until it's all rolled together into one, and codified as such by your parliament, will you have a genuine constitution...

The USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, India, Japan -- even Russia -- have constitutions..

Britain just wishes it had a constitution.

In business terms, what you lot have is more akin to a "memorandum of understanding", what with a few dusty old box fulls of documents still waiting to be collated and rationalised -- and all being watched over by your unelected "House of Perverts, Wastrels and Inbreds", instead of a proper democratically elected Senate-style upper house..

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:03 am

And the "Bill of rights"...


But nothing to do with the OP...



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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:28 am

Tommy Monk wrote:


This man is sticking up for the US constitution 1st amendment...


Do any of you here really have a problem with that...?



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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:53 am

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Britain has no constitution.  As Tom Clancy said:

"It Didn't Happen If You Didn't Write It Down".

Nay, nay, nay...Britain does have a constitution.

Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second will, I am sure, be intrigued to learn that according to Mr Clancy, fine and accomplished author though he may be, she does not exist.

But she is, regardless of his particular definition of happenstance,  a constitutional monarch, as have been her forebears over centuries, acting in accordance with a written or unwritten constitution.

It was political theorist Walter Bagehot who defined the three principle political rights of a constitutional monarch (to be consulted, to encourage and to warn) and even he was way behind the times because the Bronze Age Hittite kings reigned according to a similar system.

Those rights, together with the rights of commoners, were broadly enshrined in our (written) Magna Carta (even though King John largely tore it up as soon as the barons galloped away from Runnymede!)

And the various Acts of Union that established the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland were most certainly written down, and it is on those that our modern constitution, unwritten though it may be, is largely based.

We may not be able to wave a single piece of paper around, as can you and your countrymen, but our constitution is just as real - and just as effective - as yours. And it is a bloody site older.

I'm familiar with the argument.  I just don't buy it.  Y'all had a lot of things written down, only they did nothing to change the structure of British government.

The Magna Carta was written in the spirit of sharing power, but it was only for nobles.  All sorts of things have been written down, and it matters not a wit to change the structure of government.  Britain is a monarchy, with some clever guys hanging around to help out.

Ever since George II said, I haf learned das engleesh, YA?,   Rolling Eyes   Englishmen rolled their eyes and rolled up their sleeves.  Oh shit, this guy needs help.  Parliament, as a fledgling democracy, was born to try to save Britain from those illiterate Germans.

I think that the UK saw how successful a constitutional democracy was in the US, and they lately jumped in: Oh yeah, we have one of those too.  Had it for years.   Twisted Evil

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:12 am

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Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Nay, nay, nay...Britain does have a constitution.

Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second will, I am sure, be intrigued to learn that according to Mr Clancy, fine and accomplished author though he may be, she does not exist.

But she is, regardless of his particular definition of happenstance,  a constitutional monarch, as have been her forebears over centuries, acting in accordance with a written or unwritten constitution.

It was political theorist Walter Bagehot who defined the three principle political rights of a constitutional monarch (to be consulted, to encourage and to warn) and even he was way behind the times because the Bronze Age Hittite kings reigned according to a similar system.

Those rights, together with the rights of commoners, were broadly enshrined in our (written) Magna Carta (even though King John largely tore it up as soon as the barons galloped away from Runnymede!)

And the various Acts of Union that established the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland were most certainly written down, and it is on those that our modern constitution, unwritten though it may be, is largely based.

We may not be able to wave a single piece of paper around, as can you and your countrymen, but our constitution is just as real - and just as effective - as yours. And it is a bloody site older.

I'm familiar with the argument.  I just don't buy it.  Y'all had a lot of things written down, only they did nothing to change the structure of British government.

The Magna Carta was written in the spirit of sharing power, but it was only for nobles.  All sorts of things have been written down, and it matters not a wit to change the structure of government.  Britain is a monarchy, with some clever guys hanging around to help out.

Ever since George II said, I haf learned das engleesh, YA?,   Rolling Eyes   Englishmen rolled their eyes and rolled up their sleeves.  Oh shit, this guy needs help.  Parliament, as a fledgling democracy, was born to try to save Britain from those illiterate Germans.

I think that the UK saw how successful a constitutional democracy was in the US, and they lately jumped in: Oh yeah, we have one of those too.  Had it for years.   Twisted Evil

Quill, in Great Britain the Monarch reigns, but Parliament rules, as I am sure you well know. The Royal Assent to a parliamentary Bill to enable it to become an Act is, technically possible...though no sovereign has refused to grant it since, I think, the beginning of the 18th century.

Under our present system of government were Queen Elizabeth to refuse to sign off a Bill presented by the governing party, the inevitable result would be a constitutional crisis.

And, of course,we actually had one of those with the abdication of Edward V111 in 1936.

You may not "buy it"...but it's our unwritten constitution - and it's not for sale.
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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:55 am

And let's not forget the "Bill of rights (1689)"...



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Post by eddie on Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:10 pm

I didn’t watch the video and I don’t care about boring constitutions that are made by powerful men on their thrones made of blood money.

But I do know that if anyone thinks, for one fucking moment that we have a freedom of speech, (and I’m not talking about the “freedom” Miss Molly Bucket has, posting about how she hates Trump with a little meme on Facebook), then you’re all Fucking deluded.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:06 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I'm familiar with the argument.  I just don't buy it.  Y'all had a lot of things written down, only they did nothing to change the structure of British government.

The Magna Carta was written in the spirit of sharing power, but it was only for nobles.  All sorts of things have been written down, and it matters not a wit to change the structure of government.  Britain is a monarchy, with some clever guys hanging around to help out.

Ever since George II said, I haf learned das engleesh, YA?,   Rolling Eyes   Englishmen rolled their eyes and rolled up their sleeves.  Oh shit, this guy needs help.  Parliament, as a fledgling democracy, was born to try to save Britain from those illiterate Germans.

I think that the UK saw how successful a constitutional democracy was in the US, and they lately jumped in: Oh yeah, we have one of those too.  Had it for years.   Twisted Evil

Quill, in Great Britain the Monarch reigns, but Parliament rules, as I am sure you well know. The Royal Assent to a parliamentary Bill to enable it to become an Act is, technically possible...though no sovereign has refused to grant it since, I think, the beginning of the 18th century.

Under our present system of government were Queen Elizabeth to refuse to sign off a Bill presented by the governing party, the inevitable result would be a constitutional crisis.

And, of course,we actually had one of those with the abdication of Edward V111 in 1936.

You may not "buy it"...but it's our unwritten constitution - and it's not for sale.

It's not an unwritten constitution. Parliament owes it's power to the fact that the German kings couldn't speak the language...and knew nothing about the country. The Hanover's took a back seat to Parliament until they could figure out what was going on. By the time they figured it out, Parliament had already assumed hegemony over the institution of the monarchy.

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Post by Thorin on Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:16 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Quill, in Great Britain the Monarch reigns, but Parliament rules, as I am sure you well know. The Royal Assent to a parliamentary Bill to enable it to become an Act is, technically possible...though no sovereign has refused to grant it since, I think, the beginning of the 18th century.

Under our present system of government were Queen Elizabeth to refuse to sign off a Bill presented by the governing party, the inevitable result would be a constitutional crisis.

And, of course,we actually had one of those with the abdication of Edward V111 in 1936.

You may not "buy it"...but it's our unwritten constitution - and it's not for sale.

It's not an unwritten constitution.  Parliament owes it's power to the fact that the German kings couldn't speak the language...and knew nothing about the country.  The Hanover's took a back seat to Parliament until they could figure out what was going on.  By the time they figured it out, Parliament had already assumed hegemony over the institution of the monarchy.

Well that is the funniest and most wierdest revisionist history you have made to date Quill

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