Civilised society crumling

by Vintage on Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:07 pm

Man stabbed on a train in front of terrified passengers in Guilford area today, assailant got off the train and is being sort by police. Where are we going with all the increasing aggression and tendancy to violence that people don't seem to care who witnesses it.
Sorry I've tried a link can't manage it though.

by Thorin on Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:35 pm

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/train-stabbing-latest-man-knifed-to-death-on-south-western-train-travelling-to-london-waterloo-a4030851.html

by Thorin on Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:36 pm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/04/man-stabbed-death-board-train-near-horsley-surrey/

by Andy on Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:40 pm

In front of his 14 year old son ffs.
His attacker was unknown to them.
One can surmise this was a random attack by a nut job.
If it had been a planned murder, it would have happened away from witnesses and cctv.

by Original Quill on Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:31 pm

It comes right from the top. Downfallen democracy. Racism. No more law and order -- the rich get rewarded, the poor get shot.

by Thorin on Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:33 pm

Original Quill wrote:It comes right from the top. Downfallen democracy. Racism. No more law and order -- the rich get rewarded, the poor get shot.

Which proves further you do not have the first clue about criminology

What has any of the above got to do with this crime?

Seriously, you are like one long broken sad track record

by nicko on Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:45 pm

He's lost the plot Didge !

by Thorin on Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:47 pm

nicko wrote:He's lost the plot Didge !

Indeed and I have neither the time or patience for his dumbfuckwittery tonight

All the best mate

Night

by Original Quill on Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:48 pm

Thor wrote:
Original Quill wrote:It comes right from the top. Downfallen democracy. Racism. No more law and order -- the rich get rewarded, the poor get shot.

Which proves further you do not have the first clue about criminology

What has any of the above got to do with this crime?

Seriously, you are like one long broken sad track record

And you do, girly-boy? So far, you don't know who Margaret Tudur is. You don't know the history of Bolshevism. And, as a phlebotomist, you can't find the vein.

What do you do well? Show tunes out your ass on a slide trombone? jocolor

by Thorin on Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:53 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thor wrote:

Which proves further you do not have the first clue about criminology

What has any of the above got to do with this crime?

Seriously, you are like one long broken sad track record

And you do, girly-boy? So far, you don't know who Margaret Tudur is. You don't know the history of Bolshevism. And, as a phlebotomist, you can't find the vein.

What do you do well? Show tunes out your ass?

So its clear Quill wishes to meausre dicks and sexually fantazies over me as a girlie boy

Very interesting

Now he wants to claim historical knowledge over me

So in other words, he is jealous of my knowledge

Priceless

You want me to educate you further on history and leave you upset yet again?

Sure, no problem, but again I stress

What has any of the above got to do with this crime?

by Thorin on Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:56 pm

Also interesting to see Quill expose his sexism again, thinking its an insult for a man to be seen as femininein his opinion. As if there is something wrong with women. As if he believes they are inferior.

Opps

by Original Quill on Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:58 pm

Jezuz christ, your wife left you? How long do you want to go round this time, daisy?

by Thorin on Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:00 pm

Original Quill wrote:Jezuz christ, your wife left you? How long do you want to go round this time, daisy?

See, yet more views that either now Quill views that effeminte men or women are seen as inferior

Thus to Quill effeminate men, generally homosexuals must be inferior claiming daisy or as seen is quite clearly misogynistic

As he thinks to use this on men, is an insult

by Original Quill on Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:02 pm

Thor wrote:Also interesting to see Quill expose his sexism again, thinking its an insult for a man to be seen as femininein his opinion. As if there is something wrong with women. As if he believes they are inferior.

Opps

Oh yes, and let's hear more on how a man can't rape a woman. Or, maybe what fun you're having killing babies on the border, daffy.

by Thorin on Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:05 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thor wrote:Also interesting to see Quill expose his sexism again, thinking its an insult for a man to be seen as femininein his opinion. As if there is something wrong with women. As if he believes they are inferior.

Opps

Oh yes, and let's hear more on how a man can't rape a woman. Or, maybe what fun you're having killing babies on the border, daffy.

Sorry, but this coming from the man that only cares about a boy malnourished. Susceptible to influenza, whilst doing nothing to help combat this in the many countries that sees 11 million children die each year?

Your fake care is simple bullshit and clearly politically motivated

Invoking bullshit as you do onto others quill, when you have lost the plot as you have here, shows the desperation of your argument

You again resort to lies, as if to deligitimise me, after again exposing your prejudiced hateful nature

I take that as you yet again conceeding what a vile individual you are

by Guest on Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:39 am

i wonder if he'll turn out to be Muslim

not every black bloke with a beard going on a random stabfest is a Muslim of course. could just be your average psycho nutter

that poor lad though, 14 years old and i'll bet he carries unjustified guilt over the fact that he couldn't save his dad

FFS!

by Original Quill on Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:25 am

Didge, you are such work. I'm going to have to leave you now. Hop geli can keep you working.

ta

by Tommy Monk on Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:37 am

Yes gelico... a black man with a big beard...

Has been arrested now... so we'll get more details soon...

by Raggamuffin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:41 am

gelico wrote:

i wonder if he'll turn out to be Muslim

not every black bloke with a beard going on a random stabfest is a Muslim of course. could just be your average psycho nutter

that poor lad though, 14 years old and i'll bet he carries unjustified guilt over the fact that he couldn't save his dad

FFS!

I can't see where it says he's black.

by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:43 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
gelico wrote:

i wonder if he'll turn out to be Muslim

not every black bloke with a beard going on a random stabfest is a Muslim of course. could just be your average psycho nutter

that poor lad though, 14 years old and i'll bet he carries unjustified guilt over the fact that he couldn't save his dad

FFS!

I can't see where it says he's black.

Why would someone have to be black here and neither did Gelico claim as such?

by Raggamuffin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:49 am

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I can't see where it says he's black.

Why would someone have to be black here and neither did Gelico claim as such?

Yes she did.

not every black bloke with a beard going on a random stabfest is a Muslim of course. could just be your average psycho nutter

by Guest on Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:50 am

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I can't see where it says he's black.

Why would someone have to be black here and neither did Gelico claim as such?

I did claim as such, actually didge. that's what the police were saying last night

by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:52 am

gelico wrote:
Thor wrote:

Why would someone have to be black here and neither did Gelico claim as such?

I did claim as such, actually didge. that's what the police were saying last night

Okay Gelico

by Raggamuffin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:59 am

Aren't you going to apologise Didge? If Gelico hadn't posted, you would have gone on and on claiming that she didn't say the man was black.

by Raggamuffin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:00 am

Original Quill wrote:Jezuz christ, your wife left you? How long do you want to go round this time, daisy?

What does that have to do with anything?

by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:02 am

Raggamuffin wrote:Aren't you going to apologise Didge? If Gelico hadn't posted, you would have gone on and on claiming that she didn't say the man was black.

I was wrong and admit so, how does that warrant an apology?

I simple questioned your point.

by Raggamuffin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:00 pm

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Aren't you going to apologise Didge? If Gelico hadn't posted, you would have gone on and on claiming that she didn't say the man was black.

I was wrong and admit so, how does that warrant an apology?

I simple questioned your point.

You didn't need to question it, you only needed to read Gelico's post properly. I suppose that's beyond you.

by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:02 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:

I was wrong and admit so, how does that warrant an apology?

I simple questioned your point.

You didn't need to question it, you only needed to read Gelico's post properly. I suppose that's beyond you.

I did and then saw my mistake, how again does that warrant an apoology to you?

by Raggamuffin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:06 pm

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You didn't need to question it, you only needed to read Gelico's post properly. I suppose that's beyond you.

I did and then saw my mistake, how again does that warrant an apoology to you?

You implied I was lying, so you should apologise.

by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:08 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:

I did and then saw my mistake, how again does that warrant an apoology to you?

You implied I was lying, so you should apologise.

Never claimed you lied

Your views

I ap[ologise to gelico for misreading her post

Laughing

by Vintage on Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:29 pm

Black, bearded, 20/30's, approx. 6ft. slim build wearing all black clothes and white trainers.
Possibly bald, man of similar description stopped a woman walking a dog in the vicinity of where the assailant left the train and stated something like i'm in a lot of trouble' and ran off leaving his hat behind.

by Fred Moletrousers on Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:32 pm

I'm afraid that we're suffering the toxic combination of police numbers being cut to dangerously low levels and the imposition on most of those that are left of silly political correctness that requires them to spend too much of their time, not out preventing and investigating crime, but attending mandatory elf 'n' safety and diversity and equality "awareness" courses.

We had an absolutely appalling incident in broad daylight in our tiny rural community only a few days ago when a young girl, alone in the house at the time, answered the doorbell to be confronted by a man who grabbed her and forced her through the rooms, including upstairs, with a knife at her throat demanding cash and jewellery.

Fortunately someone working in the nearby churchyard heard her screams and called the police who, to their credit, turned out quickly and in force and caught the man hiding among some trees.

That incident was at least a great improvement on another recent occasion when I phoned the police to tell them that that the intruder alarm was going off in the early hours of the morning at a neighbouring house and that I knew the owners to be abroad on holiday.

"We have no-one available at present, so could you go round and make sure that everything is alright and if possible turn the alarm off," I was told by the call centre.

by Victorismyhero on Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:43 pm

you should hasver replied ok...but if i do I'm taking a shot gun.

then phoned em back 5 mins later and said...Its ok.....I shot the intruder no rush...

when 2 mins later 200 coppers an armed response team and 5 helicopters turned up for nothing and the chief says YOU lied...you can in truth say so did you...you said you had no one available......

by Ben Reilly on Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:54 pm

The cuts to the police forces in the UK are really of concern, more now to me than before, obviously.

I understand that right-wing governments cut government spending, they always have and that's what they're basically all about, but why would you cut from such an essential function of government?

Just saying, in America, they'll cut lots of things before they cut police, firefighters, etc. You've got to have enough well-trained first responders to maintain peace.

by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:56 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:The cuts to the police forces in the UK are really of concern, more now to me than before, obviously.

I understand that right-wing governments cut government spending, they always have and that's what they're basically all about, but why would you cut from such an essential function of government?

Just saying, in America, they'll cut lots of things before they cut police, firefighters, etc. You've got to have enough well-trained first responders to maintain peace.

Again, how is cutting the Police service the reason for the rise in knife crime?

Just making such a claim has no substance and again fails to understand criminology.

The reason for most knife crime has to do with mainly drugs

Hence having more Police would have never saved this individual, espcially as the Transport Police is a seperate entity from the Metropolitan Police

by Original Quill on Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:49 pm

Didge wrote:The reason for most knife crime has to do with mainly drugs

And is that going to stop? No way.

So you need cops. The Tory movement toward austerity is responsible. The cuts came back on them, insofar as police and prisons, etc., are RW things.

by HoratioTarr on Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:53 pm

I think it's crumbling rather badly on forums too. Someone from here posted this abuse to me and Syl. Does it ring a bell, anyone?

Dreadful Manc scum and their deranged postings to NF

I rarely post here due to the dreadful daily mail reading harpies that do!

Sylcunt and Horatio (the scum that floats to the top) and their mundane and daily mail leaning posts to a supposed political forum leads to a very bad taste to the mouth.

These harridan hens (ugly both inside and out) and their vile old women rants!!!!!

The anti trans hate has been reported (most trans look better that these two ridiculous munters)

A bloody good slap and a kick in the cunt would do these harridans the world of good!

They are just ugly and moaning scum that would get a tongue lashing in RL...should they infest my space anyway! I would go out of my way on holiday to get up the noses of such scum by smoking near them, or just by telling them exactly what i thought of them!!!

Scum bitches!!!!!!

by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:54 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:The reason for most knife crime has to do with mainly drugs

And is that going to stop? No way.

So you need cops. The Tory movement toward austerity is responsible. The cuts came back on them, insofar as police and prisons, etc., are RW things.

Wrong.

What you need to do is decriminalize drugs or make many legal

You deny the drug gangs a source of revenue and makes the drugs more safe

If the case was more cops, then why in places like Denmark, do they now have less cops and even more so less prisons?

You also have to tackle relative poverty, which again what Denmark has done very well

These are the factors that lead to higher crime

So placing bodies on the street is not the answer you wrongfully seem to think it is

by Raggamuffin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:57 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:I think it's crumbling rather badly on forums too. Someone from here posted this abuse to me and Syl. Does it ring a bell, anyone?

Dreadful Manc scum and their deranged postings to NF

I rarely post here due to the dreadful daily mail reading harpies that do!

Sylcunt and Horatio (the scum that floats to the top) and their mundane and daily mail leaning posts to a supposed political forum leads to a very bad taste to the mouth.

These harridan hens (ugly both inside and out) and their vile old women rants!!!!!

The anti trans hate has been reported (most trans look better that these two ridiculous munters)

A bloody good slap and a kick in the cunt would do these harridans the world of good!

They are just ugly and moaning scum that would get a tongue lashing in RL...should they infest my space anyway! I would go out of my way on holiday to get up the noses of such scum by smoking near them, or just by telling them exactly what i thought of them!!!

Scum bitches!!!!!!

Philagain?

by Raggamuffin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:58 pm

I don't think that having more police around would stop some nutter with a knife tbh. As for drugs, I don't agree with legalising them. I've seen what they've done to a friend of mine.

by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:02 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't think that having more police around would stop some nutter with a knife tbh. As for drugs, I don't agree with legalising them. I've seen what they've done to a friend of mine.

Well we already have legalised a number of drugs

They are called alcohol and tobacco

Of course it will effect some people Rags, the point is how badly effect peoples when its illegal

Hence make the drugs safer, by legalizing them

by Raggamuffin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:05 pm

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I don't think that having more police around would stop some nutter with a knife tbh. As for drugs, I don't agree with legalising them. I've seen what they've done to a friend of mine.

Well we already have legalised a number of drugs

They are called alcohol and tobacco

Of course it will effect some people Rags, the point is how badly effect peoples when its illegal

Hence make the drugs safer, by legalizing them

It wouldn't make them safer. They're illegal because they're harmful.

by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:07 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:

Well we already have legalised a number of drugs

They are called alcohol and tobacco

Of course it will effect some people Rags, the point is how badly effect peoples when its illegal

Hence make the drugs safer, by legalizing them

It wouldn't make them safer. They're illegal because they're harmful.

Then why not got back to prohibition, as happened in the US?

How much crime did that create?

Alcohol, is a massive killer

What people do with their bodies, is their buisness and no governement shoulkd deny them this

Hence its a no brainer to decriminalize

by HoratioTarr on Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:25 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:I think it's crumbling rather badly on forums too. Someone from here posted this abuse to me and Syl. Does it ring a bell, anyone?

Dreadful Manc scum and their deranged postings to NF

I rarely post here due to the dreadful daily mail reading harpies that do!

Sylcunt and Horatio (the scum that floats to the top) and their mundane and daily mail leaning posts to a supposed political forum leads to a very bad taste to the mouth.

These harridan hens (ugly both inside and out) and their vile old women rants!!!!!

The anti trans hate has been reported (most trans look better that these two ridiculous munters)

A bloody good slap and a kick in the cunt would do these harridans the world of good!

They are just ugly and moaning scum that would get a tongue lashing in RL...should they infest my space anyway! I would go out of my way on holiday to get up the noses of such scum by smoking near them, or just by telling them exactly what i thought of them!!!

Scum bitches!!!!!!

Philagain?

Probably. Is he pretending to be Wetters?

by Fred Moletrousers on Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:29 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:I think it's crumbling rather badly on forums too. Someone from here posted this abuse to me and Syl. Does it ring a bell, anyone?

Dreadful Manc scum and their deranged postings to NF

I rarely post here due to the dreadful daily mail reading harpies that do!

Sylcunt and Horatio (the scum that floats to the top) and their mundane and daily mail leaning posts to a supposed political forum leads to a very bad taste to the mouth.

These harridan hens (ugly both inside and out) and their vile old women rants!!!!!

The anti trans hate has been reported (most trans look better that these two ridiculous munters)

A bloody good slap and a kick in the cunt would do these harridans the world of good!

They are just ugly and moaning scum that would get a tongue lashing in RL...should they infest my space anyway! I would go out of my way on holiday to get up the noses of such scum by smoking near them, or just by telling them exactly what i thought of them!!!

Scum bitches!!!!!!

Philagain?

Considering that it bears all the hallmarks of both moral and mental degeneration, I would say that your surmise is not an unreasonable one.

by Raggamuffin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:33 pm

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It wouldn't make them safer. They're illegal because they're harmful.

Then why not got back to prohibition, as happened in the US?

How much crime did that create?

Alcohol, is a massive killer

What people do with their bodies, is their buisness and no governement shoulkd deny them this

Hence its a no brainer to decriminalize

Drugs make people psychopathic, uncaring, and psychotic - hence they could harm others. I don't get why you and others want to see people legally taking heroin and other class A drugs.

by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:42 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:

Then why not got back to prohibition, as happened in the US?

How much crime did that create?

Alcohol, is a massive killer

What people do with their bodies, is their buisness and no governement shoulkd deny them this

Hence its a no brainer to decriminalize

Drugs make people psychopathic, uncaring, and psychotic - hence they could harm others. I don't get why you and others want to see people legally taking heroin and other class A drugs.

So does alcohol make people psychopathic, uncaring and psychotic

Well we already help people on heroin take this in controlled environments

Again what people do with their bodies is up to them, not you or anyone else.

The fact is crime is down, where drugs is decriminalized in said countries

by Raggamuffin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:47 pm

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Drugs make people psychopathic, uncaring, and psychotic - hence they could harm others. I don't get why you and others want to see people legally taking heroin and other class A drugs.

So does alcohol make people psychopathic, uncaring and psychotic

Well we already help people on heroin take this in controlled environments

Again what people do with their bodies is up to them, not you or anyone else.

The fact is crime is down, where drugs is decriminalized in said countries

I'm not going to agree with you, so don't waste your time.

by Thorin on Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:48 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:

So does alcohol make people psychopathic, uncaring and psychotic

Well we already help people on heroin take this in controlled environments

Again what people do with their bodies is up to them, not you or anyone else.

The fact is crime is down, where drugs is decriminalized in said countries

I'm not going to agree with you, so don't waste your time.

Its never a waste of time, when others also read these posts

So what may be a waste of time to you, is not to others

by Thorin on Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:49 am

gelico wrote:
Thor wrote:

Why would someone have to be black here and neither did Gelico claim as such?

I did claim as such, actually didge. that's what the police were saying last night

Seems like you were right after all Gelico

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/07/man-accused-stabbing-fellow-passenger-death-commuter-train-refuses/