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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:16 pm

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COPS have today raided a flat in Manchester as they widened their investigation into last night’s “frenzied” New Year’s Eve terror attack.

Three people, including a British Transport Police officer, were injured when a 25-year-old man attacked them on a platform at Manchester Victoria Station around 9pm.

The man was also heard screaming the phrase “Allahu Akbar” – Arabic for “God is great” – and “long live the Caliphate” – a possible reference to ISIS – during his arrest.


Today police were also pictured raiding a home in Cheetham Hill – a poor, ethnically diverse neighbourhood just north of the city centre – where they believe the suspect lived.

Resident Nousha Babaakachel, 40, said a Somali family live at the address, a mother and father of five, in their 40s, who came to live in the street around 12 years ago from the Netherlands.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8094731/manchester-stabbing-victoria-station-terror-allahu-akbar/


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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:43 pm

Thor wrote:
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Or God damn you; or Jesus Christ, etc.; just like Islam, there's a curse for every occasion, but it always draws upon a reference to the deity.

So I don't think allahu akbar is that unusual, nor is it limited to killing someone.  Probably just a common, everyday expression for all occasions.

The last proper time Christians invoke God, when killing people was during the crusades and the conquests of the Americas

That's not so.  Dylann Roof, 21, who shot up Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church during a weekly Bible study meeting in Charles, South Caroline, invoked the name of God in killing 8 people.

Didge wrote:Yet even today, Muslims have been invoking their gods name, when they kill people

That is over 1400 years of doing this

So its certainly not unusual for Muslims to invoke when they murder people.

The point is reversed: it's not unusual to invoke God when doing anything.  To say allahu akbar is not an indication that some revolutionary act is taking place.

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:48 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thor wrote:

The last proper time Christians invoke God, when killing people was during the crusades and the conquests of the Americas

That's not so.  Dylann Roof, 21, who shot up Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church during a weekly Bible study meeting in Charles, South Caroline, invoked the name of God in killing 8 people.

Didge wrote:Yet even today, Muslims have been invoking their gods name, when they kill people

That is over 1400 years of doing this

So its certainly not unusual for Muslims to invoke when they murder people.

The point is reversed: it's not unusual to invoke God when doing anything.  To say allahu akbar is not an indication that some revolutionary act is taking place.


Show me what he said?

I know you are lying out of your pants

So making up bullshit is not going to fit and even if Dylan did, that would make him a rare incidence compared to Islamic terrorism. Which happens 99% of the time with Islamic terrorists and 99% of the time with wars involving armies involving Muslims. They invoke "god is greater"

So your claim its not unusual based off one claim, is indeed the opposite

Hence you would need to show at least the same variable with Christian terrorist murders

The same with Hindu extremists

The same with Jewish extremists

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Post by Syl on Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:58 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thor wrote:

The last proper time Christians invoke God, when killing people was during the crusades and the conquests of the Americas

That's not so.  Dylann Roof, 21, who shot up Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church during a weekly Bible study meeting in Charles, South Caroline, invoked the name of God in killing 8 people.

Didge wrote:Yet even today, Muslims have been invoking their gods name, when they kill people

That is over 1400 years of doing this

So its certainly not unusual for Muslims to invoke when they murder people.

The point is reversed: it's not unusual to invoke God when doing anything.  To say allahu akbar is not an indication that some revolutionary act is taking place.

It is when they are randomly slashing or blowing up innocent people.

"At the briefing, Greater Manchester Chief Constable Ian Hopkins said: "I know that the events of last night will have affected many people and caused concern.
"That the incident happened so close to the scene of the terrorist attack on 22 May 2017 makes it even more dreadful."
Mr Jackson added that "given how frenzied the attack was" officers were considering the mental health of the arrested suspect.
"There is wide reporting in the press about what the attacker allegedly said during the incident and because of this we want to be clear, we are treating this as a terrorism investigation," he said.

BBC 5 live producer Sam Clack, who had been at the station at the time, said he saw a man stabbed on a tram platform at the station "feet from me".
Mr Clack also said he heard the knifeman shouting "Allah" during the attack, along with a slogan criticising Western governments."


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Post by nicko on Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:05 pm

When I said Quill lives in an insulated bubble, judging by his replies, I was 100% correct !
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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:28 pm

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

That's not so.  Dylann Roof, 21, who shot up Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church during a weekly Bible study meeting in Charles, South Caroline, invoked the name of God in killing 8 people.



The point is reversed: it's not unusual to invoke God when doing anything.  To say allahu akbar is not an indication that some revolutionary act is taking place.

It is when they are randomly slashing or blowing up innocent people.

"At the briefing, Greater Manchester Chief Constable Ian Hopkins said: "I know that the events of last night will have affected many people and caused concern.
"That the incident happened so close to the scene of the terrorist attack on 22 May 2017 makes it even more dreadful."
Mr Jackson added that "given how frenzied the attack was" officers were considering the mental health of the arrested suspect.
"There is wide reporting in the press about what the attacker allegedly said during the incident and because of this we want to be clear, we are treating this as a terrorism investigation," he said.

BBC 5 live producer Sam Clack, who had been at the station at the time, said he saw a man stabbed on a tram platform at the station "feet from me".
Mr Clack also said he heard the knifeman shouting "Allah" during the attack, along with a slogan criticising Western governments."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-46728702

I'm not saying that Muslims are incapable of revolutionary acts. Clearly, they are if 9-11 or 7-7 are any indication.

The thought that I'm resisting is that every act by a Muslim is ipso facto a revolutionary or terrorist act. For Tommy, nicko and didge, it seems that a Muslim cannot be a normal, run-of-the-mill criminal. It's terrorist, or nothing.

And comments by police or other authorities are made with the intent of influencing public opinion. The cops are one of the competitors in an adversarial legal system. They want to bias the system just as others do. So, I must take them with a grain of salt, too.

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Post by Vintage on Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:05 pm

Of course they can be run of the mill criminals, our prisons are well stocked with them just like everybody else.

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Vintage wrote:Of course they can be run of the mill criminals, our prisons are well stocked with them just like everybody else.

And yet, with every case brought up on this internet site, it is claimed that it was a terrorist act. You see where that goes.

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He wasn't shouting “long live the Caliphate” for nothing...

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:04 am

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nicko wrote:Your both full of shit and know fuck all about Muslim Terrorists !


Neither do you, nicko.  You are involved in new tribalism.

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Fuck ISIS...   Fuck al Qaeda..  Fuck the Middle East..

The biggest Muslim nation on the planet borders Australia.     Not England..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

Indonesia has its own homegrown terrorist organisation, in Jemaah Islamiah..
Australia stripped one ISIS recruiter of his Aussie citizenship last week (the 6th or seventh so far..).
There have been ISIS- inspired attacks here in Oz, already -- despite what some euro-centric types like to claim..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Australia

Bali has had worse terrorist attacks than Britain --   but of course that doesn't register with nicko, Tommy, the harridans and co. --  when only whitebread snowflake Englische lives matter.   They happily ignore the 88 Aussies and dozens of Balinese killed in one bombing alone..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Bali_bombings


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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:08 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

He wasn't shouting “long live the Caliphate” for nothing...

Did you ask him?  Cool

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:00 am

Thor wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

That's not so.  Dylann Roof, 21, who shot up Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church during a weekly Bible study meeting in Charles, South Caroline, invoked the name of God in killing 8 people.



The point is reversed: it's not unusual to invoke God when doing anything.  To say allahu akbar is not an indication that some revolutionary act is taking place.


Show me what he said?

I know you are lying out of your pants

So making up bullshit is not going to fit and even if Dylan did, that would make him a rare incidence compared to Islamic terrorism. Which happens 99% of the time with Islamic terrorists and 99% of the time with wars involving armies involving Muslims. They invoke "god is greater"

So your claim its not unusual based off one claim, is indeed the opposite

Hence you would need to show at least the same variable with Christian terrorist murders

The same with Hindu extremists

The same with Jewish extremists

Still waiting Quill?

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:30 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
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Neither do you, nicko.  You are involved in new tribalism.

Arrow

Fuck ISIS...   Fuck al Qaeda..  Fuck the Middle East..

The biggest Muslim nation on the planet borders Australia.     Not England..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

Indonesia has its own homegrown terrorist organisation, in Jemaah Islamiah..
Australia stripped one ISIS recruiter of his Aussie citizenship last week (the 6th or seventh so far..).
There have been ISIS- inspired attacks here in Oz, already --  despite what some euro-centric types like to claim..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Australia

Bali has had worse terrorist attacks than Britain --   but of course that doesn't register with nicko, Tommy, the harridans and co. --  when only whitebread snowflake Englische lives matter.   They happily ignore the 88 Aussies and dozens of Balinese killed in one bombing alone..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Bali_bombings

Bali is not in Australia you idiot and no, Australia has not had more or more deadly attacks than the UK

No country borders Australia either, being that it is an island continent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain

So I have no idea what gibberish you are talking about, as its like claiming the US borders the UK

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Post by nicko on Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:17 am

Wolf just likes to come into an argument and spouts crap, knowing nothing about the basis of it, just because he thinks we take notice of his "knowledge" !
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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:48 am

Thor wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Arrow

Fuck ISIS...   Fuck al Qaeda..  Fuck the Middle East..

The biggest Muslim nation on the planet borders Australia.     Not England..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

Indonesia has its own homegrown terrorist organisation, in Jemaah Islamiah..
Australia stripped one ISIS recruiter of his Aussie citizenship last week (the 6th or seventh so far..).
There have been ISIS- inspired attacks here in Oz, already --  despite what some euro-centric types like to claim..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Australia

Bali has had worse terrorist attacks than Britain --   but of course that doesn't register with nicko, Tommy, the harridans and co. --  when only whitebread snowflake Englische lives matter.   They happily ignore the 88 Aussies and dozens of Balinese killed in one bombing alone..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Bali_bombings

Bali is not in Australia you idiot and no, Australia has not had more or more deadly attacks than the UK

No country borders Australia either, being that it is an island continent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain

So I have no idea what gibberish you are talking about, as its like claiming the US borders the UK

Rolling Eyes

Fuck off, idiot...

So then...

France doesn't share a border with Britain ?

Neither does Holland ?  Nor Ireland ?  Or Denmark or Norway..

There are no "international waters" between Oz and Indonesia, East Timor and New Guinea off the Northern Territory coast --  but there are "disputed" borders in territorial waters, that come up regularly with access to oil and natural gas supplies...

Indonesia claims "ownership" of New Guinea, but so far has only managed to invade West Papua ('Irian Jaya").

Maybe you want to be pedantic enough as to substitute "neighbouring" instead of "borders" in my previous post.

Then again, your deliberate stupidity is challenging Tommy's these days, Dodger..

P.S. I didn't say Oz had more attacks (that was referring to Indonesia, you dolt) -- what I was saying was that Australia had more victims in that one attack (88 in that one nightclub bombing == more Aussies were killed than Balinese&Indonesians..).

Then again, you Eurocentic turds are only interested in how many Brits are caught up in various attacks -- no less than what I have come to expect from a mob who still believes that the sun shines out of England's arse..

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:47 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Thor wrote:

Bali is not in Australia you idiot and no, Australia has not had more or more deadly attacks than the UK

No country borders Australia either, being that it is an island continent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain

So I have no idea what gibberish you are talking about, as its like claiming the US borders the UK

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Fuck off, idiot...

So then...

France doesn't share a border with Britain ?

Neither does Holland ?  Nor Ireland ?  Or Denmark or Norway..

There are no "international waters" between Oz and Indonesia, East Timor and New Guinea off the Northern Territory coast --  but there are "disputed" borders in territorial waters, that come up regularly with access to oil and natural gas supplies...

Indonesia claims "ownership" of New Guinea, but so far has only managed to invade West Papua ('Irian Jaya").

Maybe you want to be pedantic enough as to substitute "neighbouring" instead of "borders" in my previous post.

Then again, your deliberate stupidity is challenging Tommy's these days, Dodger..

P.S.  I didn't say Oz had more attacks (that was referring to Indonesia, you dolt) --  what I was saying was that Australia had more victims in that one attack (88 in that one nightclub bombing == more Aussies were killed than Balinese&Indonesians..).

Then again, you Eurocentic turds are only interested in how many Brits are caught up in various attacks --  no less than what I have come to expect from a mob who still believes that the sun shines out of England's arse..  


No, Britain does not share a border with any of them, it does with Ireland, due to Northern Ireland, being a part of the UK

What has disputed waters got to do with your points?

Zero

To then go off dead, ignoring the number of dead based off many attacks in the UK, is ridiculous point scoring over the dead. Which I have no wish to do. That was you attempting to do that

Just understand the UK has been suffering terrorist attacks for decades

You then end with yet more xenophobia

wow

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:11 am

Rolling Eyes

Furthermore, to the above...

Let's consider some of Britain's own "disputed territories" --  where England still lays claim to various rocks and occupied places, sitting within other countries borders :

Northern Ireland    (Eire)

Falkland Islands    (Argentina)

Gibraltar     (Spain)

No wonder to see a Brit  "muddying the waters" over disputed borders and occupied territories --  not when Britain remains a major offender.      tongue

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:14 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Rolling Eyes

Furthermore, to the above...

Let's consider some of Britain's own "disputed territories" --  where England still lays claim to various rocks and occupied places, sitting within other countries borders :

Northern Ireland    (Eire)

Falkland Islands    (Argentina)

Gibraltar     (Spain)

No wonder to see a Brit  "muddying the waters" over disputed borders and occupied territories --  not when Britain remains a major offender.


They are not disputed by the Uk or its residents

They want and remain to be British

So no muddying the waters, its the countries disputing thse territories, not respecting the self determination of the people in these territories.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:22 am

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He wasn't shouting “long live the Caliphate” for nothing...

Did you ask him?  Cool


What is there to ask...?


He already declared his position...!



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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:16 pm

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Tommy Monk wrote:

He wasn't shouting “long live the Caliphate” for nothing...

Did you ask him?  Cool

Have to say, Quill, the guy wasn't out flogging copies of The Watchtower or collecting for Christian Aid.....
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Fred Moletrousers wrote:
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Did you ask him?  Cool

Have to say, Quill, the guy wasn't out flogging copies of The Watchtower or collecting for Christian Aid.....

Rolling Eyes And did you ask him why not?

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Post by nicko on Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:58 pm

Don't talk like an idiot Quill, your too intelligent to misread a post !
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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:57 pm

nicko wrote:Don't talk like an idiot Quill,  your too intelligent to misread a post !

In the inimitable words of John Stuart Mill: "I never said all conservatives are stupid; what I said was, all stupid people are conservative.

The message is, all of this is beside the point.  You are reading “signs” of beliefs, rather that simply asking people their belief.  A person says “allahu akbar” and y’all have painted him all over in terrorist colors.

If a western poster types ‘OMG’, is s/he a deadly terrorist?  Effectively, he or she is saying the same thing as ‘allahu akbar’…employing a religious personality (God) in an exclamation.  So what?  It’s a common human practice all over the world. Means nothing.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:17 pm

Quill you dick... he went on an unprovoked stabbing rampage against two old people and police, shouting "allah akbar' and 'long live the caliphate'...


He has declared himself as an Islamist terrorist by these actions...!!!


As you well know...

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Post by nicko on Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:06 pm

Quill, you make want to spit ! the truth is staring you in the face and you still wont accept it !your making yourself look a right dickhead .
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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:34 pm

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Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Have to say, Quill, the guy wasn't out flogging copies of The Watchtower or collecting for Christian Aid.....

Rolling Eyes   And did you ask him why not?

Were I to be confronted by a bloke waving a bloody big knife under my nose and shouting "Allahu akbar. Long live the Caliphate", I suggest that my not unreasonable assumptions might be that he was (a) a Muslim, (b) a terrorist and (c) that engaging him in a conversation about both his philosophy and motives would not be a particularly wise course of action.
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Post by nicko on Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:25 pm

Have a green thing Fred, I can't stand any more of him, he's being deliberately obtuse ! [if that's the word].
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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:04 pm

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Thor wrote:

Bali is not in Australia you idiot and no, Australia has not had more or more deadly attacks than the UK

No country borders Australia either, being that it is an island continent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain

So I have no idea what gibberish you are talking about, as its like claiming the US borders the UK

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Fuck off, idiot...

So then...

France doesn't share a border with Britain ?

Neither does Holland ?  Nor Ireland ?  Or Denmark or Norway..

There are no "international waters" between Oz and Indonesia, East Timor and New Guinea off the Northern Territory coast --  but there are "disputed" borders in territorial waters, that come up regularly with access to oil and natural gas supplies...

Indonesia claims "ownership" of New Guinea, but so far has only managed to invade West Papua ('Irian Jaya").

Maybe you want to be pedantic enough as to substitute "neighbouring" instead of "borders" in my previous post.

Then again, your deliberate stupidity is challenging Tommy's these days, Dodger..

P.S.  I didn't say Oz had more attacks (that was referring to Indonesia, you dolt) --  what I was saying was that Australia had more victims in that one attack (88 in that one nightclub bombing == more Aussies were killed than Balinese&Indonesians..).

Then again, you Eurocentic turds are only interested in how many Brits are caught up in various attacks --  no less than what I have come to expect from a mob who still believes that the sun shines out of England's arse..  

How much do you care about the Brits who have been killed by terrorists? Oh, that's right, you don't. It's in bad taste to play the numbers game.

Anyway, this thread is about something which happened in the UK.


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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:06 pm

Aren't you an IRA supporter Wolfboy?

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:40 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Aren't you an IRA supporter Wolfboy?


It was a riduclous and absurd point made by Wolf

That some how the number of deaths in one bombing incident in Bali. Should be the bases not to concern British people, due to the countless number of terrorist incidents this country has faced

It was an ill concieved and quite frankly stupid point

Yes, all countries face the threat of terrorism, yet like you say, this is about the UK

Wolf and Quill seem so intent on downplaying terrorism, when its Islamic extremism

Its so absurd, as if this then means people think all Muslims are terrorists

They dont, but what they are concerned about is how globally, yet again we seem Islamic extremism at the forefront of terrorism

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Post by Vintage on Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:06 pm

I stopped taking Wolf seriously a long time ago, as he seems the most phobe on here, full of hate and has a chip the size of the Sidney Opera House on his shoulder. It's impossible to discuss anything with him without a major rant from him.

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:09 pm

Vintage wrote:I stopped taking Wolf seriously a long time ago, as he seems the most phobe on here, full of hate and has a chip the size of the Sidney Opera House on his shoulder. It's impossible to discuss anything with him without a major rant from him.

To be fair Vintage, at times he posts some very interesting points. Sadly, he likes to stick up for Quill, when he talks nonsense and clearly follows suit doing so. He then even worse poorly labels people with falsehoods

Its the common tactic of the left, to attempt to deligitimise posters

So I understand your frustrations at his antics

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