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Post by Andy on Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:40 pm

At least we presently can put Border Force staff and boats in French ports and stop them at source.
In 100 days, after Brexit, we will have absolutely NO jurisdiction there, and the French can politely tell us to fuck off as they push boatloads of migrants from the beaches towards Dover.
The sensible thing to do would be to put Brexit on hold to allow more time to in collaboration with the French authorities to arrest the gang leaders.
What is the Beexiteer solution?
Do as Katie's Hopkins suggested, shoot holes in the boats to sink 'em mid channel and them them drown?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:07 pm

Andy wrote:At least we presently can put Border Force staff and boats in French ports and stop them at source.
In 100 days, after Brexit, we will have absolutely NO jurisdiction there, and the French can politely tell us to fuck off as they push boatloads of migrants from the beaches towards Dover.
The sensible thing to do would be to put Brexit on hold to allow more time to in collaboration with the French authorities to arrest the gang leaders.
What is the Beexiteer solution?
Do as Katie's Hopkins suggested, shoot holes in the boats to sink 'em mid channel and them them drown?

I don't think Katie Hopkins said that, she suggested using gunships to turn back boats.

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Post by Andy on Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:12 pm

She also called migrants 'cockroaches'.
Is that a description you agree with?

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Post by Andy on Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:18 pm

More to the points, Raggs, how do Brexiteers plan to stop  migrants post 29th March. We will not be able to operate on juxtaposed controls., as we do now, and we have insufficient maritime resource, thanks to 8 years of Conservative austerity and cuts.
Over to you.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:45 pm

Andy wrote:She also called migrants 'cockroaches'.
Is that a description you agree with?

No, but I think it's important not to misquote her.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:46 pm

Andy wrote:More to the points, Raggs, how do Brexiteers plan to stop  migrants post 29th March. We will not be able to operate on juxtaposed controls., as we do now, and we have insufficient maritime resource, thanks to 8 years of Conservative austerity and cuts.
Over to you.

I don't really know. Make the UK less attractive to them maybe? I'm not sure what benefits people who arrive in boats can get here tbh.

We could send them back to France on the grounds that's where they arrived first so they should have claimed asylum there.

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Post by Andy on Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:07 pm

It's a European problem, imo, that needs to be sorted out in collaboration and with the assistance of Europe.
Easier done if Brexit is put on hold until it IS sorted.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:27 pm

The EU open border shengen zone IS THE FUKKING PROBLEM!!!


These fukkers are free to March across European countries without any borders or checks.


They need to be rounded up and returned to either the Arab league or the African union to deal with.



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Post by Vintage on Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:31 pm

Why shouldn't Britain and the other European Countries not continue to co operate after Brexit on all sorts of things, it'll be just as beneficial to everyone as it is now, we would need to contribute financially of course to stuff like Interpol etc. Why anyone would not want to continue co operation unless out of spite I don't know.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:11 pm

I think the reality is, many migrants get here and realise they've been duped.
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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:18 pm

Also... Croatia (I think) has given 40000 visas to Iranians to visit... And 10000 of them have disappeared there having not returned to Iran...

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Post by phildidge on Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:55 am

Andy wrote:It's a European problem, imo, that needs to be sorted out in collaboration and with the assistance of Europe.
Easier done if Brexit is put on hold until it IS sorted.

I agree that they do need to work together, but that is never going to actually solve the problem Andy

You have to resolve these problems at their root cause. In the countries themselves on why people are in need to leave. Hence the world is failing all these nations. Even more so at the UN, by not speaking out. As to me, the first point of call. Should be to take to task nations, that are continually failing their citizens.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:17 am

Keep returning them to either the Arab league or African union, and they'll soon get the message and stop trying to get here illegally...


The more we allow it the more will come!

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Post by phildidge on Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:23 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Keep returning them to either the Arab league or African union, and they'll soon get the message and stop trying to get here illegally...


The more we allow it the more will come!


How is that helping them?

Your views are as ridiculous as well, as they will continue to come. Untill you start asking nations to get involved. That then ensure people have human rights in these nations, they flee.

So how about you start getting the message, that your kind of ignorance, will just ensure, the numbers will continue coming to the EU.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:08 am



It is not our responsibility to help them... vast majority are economic migrants and committing crimes by trying to enter here illegally...


Return them to their home nations or to their continental body to deal with them.

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Post by Andy on Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:15 am

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It is not our responsibility to help them... vast majority are economic migrants and committing crimes by trying to enter here illegally...


Return them to their home nations or to their continental body to deal with them.
Evidential link to your statement?
Otherwise it must be considered yet more fake news from the far/alt racist right.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:27 am

Basketball

In reply to the O/P :

Build a bloody great 'Wall' right down the middle of the English Channel..

And make the EU 'pay for it'  !!!

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Post by phildidge on Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:30 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

It is not our responsibility to help them... vast majority are economic migrants and committing crimes by trying to enter here illegally...


Return them to their home nations or to their continental body to deal with them.


And by thus your ridiculous view point. What you propose against, will continue multipled by many factors.
When will the penny drop for you?
The Continental body you speak of. Is the one factor, you want to do nothing about.

Hence the cycle will continue, until you end up liffing your head out of the sand.

Oh claiming its not our responsibility. What do you mean by that?

Of course its your responsibility and mine. When you activelly ensure the very same cycle of people migrating. Continue to do so exponentially.

Until you actually start understanding every act or failure to act responsibible as the case maybe here. Is directly linked to your lack of grasp and understanding. By not taking responsiblity, you ensure the cycle of mass migration continues, unabated.

So how is that not caring to take responsibility, turning to be out for?

Far worse, than it ever was before?

Or do you actually want to start to take some actual responsibility, for once?

As so far, you not listening, is what is continually creating a reason why more will continually leave.

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Post by Vintage on Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:36 am

The root cause is the conditions of the countries they are leaving but we have to try to make changes through the UN, otherwise there'll be trouble and talk of meddling by ex colonial powers and the evil West. It should be the Arab League, backed by the UN and whatever the equivalent in Africa is, if there is one, to try and make changes, the biggest means of making changes are the people in those countries themselves, not always easy I know but change has to come from inside the country. Why Iran is still as it is with so many, especially the younger ones apparently not wanting the kind of life they have now I don't know, maybe one revolution is enough. When countries have human rights we should all trade honestly with each other.

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Post by phildidge on Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:41 am

Vintage wrote:The root cause is the conditions of the countries they are leaving but we have to try to make changes through the UN, otherwise there'll be trouble and talk of meddling by ex colonial powers and the evil West. It should be the Arab League, backed by the UN and whatever the equivalent in Africa is, if there is one, to try and make changes, the biggest means of making changes are the people in those countries themselves, not always easy I know but change has to come from inside the country.  Why Iran is still as it is with so many, especially the younger ones apparently not wanting the kind of life they have now I don't know, maybe one revolution is enough. When countries have human rights we should all trade honestly with each other.


The UN is unfit for prupose Vintage

What requires action, is by western nations. To the many human rights absuer authoritarin nations

Hence there is plenty we could do

The Un is now corrupt and hence why the leading nations have to start to act against the control

Hence why we should help out nations under former Colonial control

So, I agree that we should trade equally, when all nations have human rights

Hence why the democratic nations, need to start to act

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Post by Andy on Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:49 am

Many of the countries the refugees are fleeing from have been blown to oblivion by civil wars, sponsored by Russia, Europe and the US.
The entire middle east is a mess, so is much of north and central Africa.
Can anyone , apart from Monk, hand on heart, say that sending thenm back to the country of birth or where they started their exodus from is the correct course of action?
Most of those counties are still war zones.

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Post by Vintage on Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:57 am

If democratic, western nations are seen to dictate to the 'target' nations they will push back though and their people seem to back their governments in such circumstances. Their governments are theocracies, direct monarchies and corrupt parliaments, I've just listened to the news regarding Pakistan's latest election, it seems there are cries of corruption and vote rigging. Then there was Turkey last year I think, where there was a very suspicious and sudden increase in votes for Erdogan, almost the entire voting populace voted for him. Something has to be done if only to stabilise countries for education and commerce. Egypt was seemingly moving forward, especially in the education and employment of women, then it went into reverse again, religion is the biggest factor holding back the improvement for so many.

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Post by phildidge on Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:02 am

Vintage wrote:If democratic, western nations are seen to dictate to the 'target' nations they will push back though and their people seem to back their governments in such circumstances. Their governments are theocracies, direct monarchies and corrupt parliaments, I've just listened to the news regarding Pakistan's latest election, it seems there are cries of corruption and vote rigging. Then there was Turkey last year I think, where there was a very suspicious and sudden increase in votes for Erdogan, almost the entire voting populace voted for him. Something has to be done if only to stabilise countries for education and commerce. Egypt was seemingly moving forward, especially in the education and employment of women, then it went into reverse again, religion is the biggest factor holding back the improvement for so many.


The point is, they are already pushing back and we conceed to them, based on the need for trade. Hence the EU, as a strengh as a block. Needs to start using that trading and security strengh for good use. Hence whilst they continue to act like Neville Chamberlain. Then the farce will continue. How we continually prop authoritarian undemocratic nations.

So I agree something has to be done, the EU has grow some balls. Its one reason why I think the UK, should remain part of the EU, but that it reforms. Though, I still respect the decision to leave. So maybe this really needs to go through. To show the EU needs to reform.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:22 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Keep returning them to either the Arab league or African union, and they'll soon get the message and stop trying to get here illegally...

The more we allow it the more will come!

How come you guys haven't thought of a wall? Trump seems to think it's a solution.

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Post by Vintage on Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:23 am

Maybe we could extend Hadrian's all around the coast of Britain. It could help with sea level rise as well!.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:01 pm

Vintage wrote:Maybe we could extend Hadrian's all around the coast of Britain. It could help with sea level rise as well!.

There you go. You could connect it with Antonine wall.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:58 pm



Firstly... Andy... you cheeky fuk... don't you dare ask me to provide any more evidence, when you always run away from it when I do...


Secondly... didge... how do you know any of these Muslim illegal immigrants aren't sleeper cell jihadist terrorists...?


How many millions of illegal immigrants do you want to allow to live in the UK...?


Half the bloody worlds population would like to come live here if given the chance... so... do you want to keep encouraging them and allowing them to come and stay here...?


When do you start to think about national security...?


When do you start to think about national capacity...?


When do you start to think about what the British people want...?


You don't solve the world's problems by just letting half the population come and live here!!!


You just import the problems to the UK and to British people... and ruin this country!!!

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Post by phildidge on Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:28 pm

1) You use intelligence work to gather if people are terrorists, as has always been the case. That is never a reason to then use guilt by association to deny everyone else.

2) Nobody claimed that we should encorporate the worlds poverty population, but as seen it does require us and the world, to help improve their lives

3) We should never deter people from wanting to better their lives.

4) You are just regurgitating the same lame tired arguments, never looking to actually resolve anything

5) When are you going to learn, its not just about the British people, as the world plays a part in how you also live, through resources, the kind of which the UK is unable to support itself with

6) Life does not revolve around Tommy, as you are just one of billions on this planet and its time you came to understand how we have to share responsibility in maintaining this planet and its many species


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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:34 am

This country is totally about British people and what we want.


And international law says these people should be either returned to country of origin or to the first safe country they arrived in.



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