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Post by Original Quill on Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:10 pm

Former National Security Director Flynn went before Federal Judge today.  The Judge exploded.  This is breaking news, so more details later.  "You sold out your country...I cannot describe my disgust for your crime!", the Judge said.  "Why isn't he charged with espionage??" the Judge demanded of prosecutors.  The plea agreement called for no jail time.

The Judge told attorneys to go back to the drawing board:  He delayed sentencing for 90-days.

Since Flynn was Trump's man, things don't look good when Trump goes in for his sentencing.

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Post by nicko on Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:09 pm

When do you think they will "get" Trump ? It's taking a long time !
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Post by Andy on Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:54 pm

Trump will be arrested in January, when the Democrats the over. Congress. E has nobody left he an trust.
All of his previous underlings have either cooperated with Mueller or are already serving time.
His income stream from his charity has been closed as well, I suspect that will be investigated as a Federaoffence, money lauderlby from a registered charity. Naughty boy.

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Andy wrote:Trump will be arrested in January, when the Democrats the over. Congress.

I don't know about January.  The Democrats will need the time to set things up.  I don't think June is too soon.

Gen. Flynn was a favorite of Trump.  Indeed, Trump was parroting all the arguments that Flynn's attorneys were putting to the judge.  So, when Judge Sullivan slammed Flynn so hard, you can take it as the Judge's attitude toward the whole Trump cabal, his surrogates.  It's kinda like when Judge Sirica came down heavily on the Watergate burglars...it was like, Oh shit, the president is not going to like this!

As far as the time, Nicko, it hasn't been that long for prosecuting a whole crime family.  First, 33 indictments, some with convictions, ain't bad considering the number of people involved.  Second, consider all the lying, from the President on down; someone who lies creates ten times the work, to track down contradictory evidence and build a case for intentionality.

Third, you have heard occasionally about the 'hidden' case going on.  Remember all of those redactions in the sentencing reports?  There is something going on in that third, 'hidden' case that may be taking up a lot of time.  All we know is that it is a counter-intelligence case--hence, they are not speaking about it.  But when Judge Sullivan today said to Flynn that he was a 'sell out to his country' and asked, why hasn't he been charged with treason(?) we can all take a hint.

It's my theory that Putin was staffing the President's cabinet, and Flynn at National Security, and Rex Tillerson at State, were Russian picks.  If so, this sticks in Judge Sullivan's craw...and he wants some blood.  Flynn is going to do time...it's my estimation. A lot of the President's men are going down, and I don't think the judiciary is going to buy the presidential pardons.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:00 am



When are all the pro EU remainer MPs going to be charged with treason for trying to stop the British people's decision to leave the EU...?



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Tommy Monk wrote:When are all the pro EU remainer MPs going to be charged with treason for trying to stop the British people's decision to leave the EU...?

Treason is defined as: "the crime of betraying one's country," or "a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign" or "the betrayal of a trust or confidence".  https://www.dictionary.com/browse/treason  It involves "knowing" and "intending" as those terms are used in law.

The decision to enter into a trade agreement is a policy decision.  Is it your contention that entering the EU rose to the level of treason?  If so, I would like to hear you make that case.

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Saying the EU was/is just a simple trade agreement is the big lie... this is where the betrayal has been... And the violation of sovereignty...



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Tommy Monk wrote:Saying the EU was/is just a simple trade agreement is the big lie... this is where the betrayal has been... And the violation of sovereignty...

Would you care to elaborate? What, in your mind, is the EU? What are the specific facts of the betrayal. What are the specific acts of the pro-EU remainer MP's to which you point?

I don't want to write your indictment for you. Let's hear it from you.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:32 pm

The EU is a political entity, formed with the aim of becoming a federal govt and taking control of the national parliaments.


It is all now openly admitted by EU to be actively working towards "ever closer union" which means ever increasing control.


Those in UK govts who signed up to the treaties that created this and allowed this, knew full well that this was what they were signing away, but only ever denied these facts and only ever said that the treaties were "just amending treaties that tidied up loose ends" etc... And the pro remainer MPs and people are trying to perpetuate this betrayal of our country.

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Tommy Monk wrote:The EU is a political entity, formed with the aim of becoming a federal govt and taking control of the national parliaments.

It is all now openly admitted by EU to be actively working towards "ever closer union" which means ever increasing control.

Those in UK govts who signed up to the treaties that created this and allowed this, knew full well that this was what they were signing away, but only ever denied these facts and only ever said that the treaties were "just amending treaties that tidied up loose ends" etc... And the pro remainer MPs and people are trying to perpetuate this betrayal of our country.

I don't think that the EU is what you say it is. Proof is in your lack of substantiation, which leaves anyone saying: So you say, boss! Razz

I think the EU may have been a bit overzealous, and understandably the more advanced nations of Europe are a bit insulted at the paternalistic attitude and condescension of the EU. That amounts to attitude and policy differences, not to treason.

One alternative might have been to work from inside the EU, to change the institution from within. You already have the advantage of being the most advanced European nation. What were you doing wrong that you failed? Or, did you let your lesser angels simply take over?

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The EU is completely what I say it is... you obviously don't know that much about it all...!


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Post by nicko on Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:47 pm

Quill, we were "sold down  the River" by succeeding PM's who were only looking to feather their own nests.
I can't imagine Mrs Thatcher standing for the humiliation hosted on us by unelected bullies, she would have "Handbagged the lot of 'em ! None of them have looked out for the British since she went !
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Post by nicko on Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:52 pm

There is a REAL PRIME MINISTER .
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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:53 pm

Thatcher saw what was going on and said "No no no"...


She was then ousted by the pro EU numpties and John major came in to sign Maastricht treaty that set it all up... then Blair and Brown signed the rest of it up...

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nicko wrote:There is a REAL PRIME MINISTER .


Funny to hear Les wafffle on about Labour being the party of pro woman and Tory being against woman's rights... when Tory have had two female prime minister's and Labour have had none!


lol!

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Bliar and brown , Judge Sullivan stuns Gen. Flynn: "You sold out your country!" 2787774761
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Post by Original Quill on Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:03 pm

Judge Sullivan may be the first time the anti-Trumpster strikes back. Since the election in 2016, all we have heard is: fear the Trump base...fear the Trump base.

But the pollsters have been advising us that the Trump base is anywhere from 24% to 40%, but in any event nowhere near a majority. No one--the Republicans especially--wanted to take that inverse majority out for a spin. I've always thought we could simply kick the Trumpster base's ass if we just stepped into the ring (to mix my sports metaphors). Now, first election out of the gate, and I am proved correct.

Obviously, Judge Sullivan was of a like mind. He saw what I saw...that base is feckless, and growing smaller each day. Nancy Pelosi delivered to Trump the perfect epitaph for his base: “Please don’t characterize the strength that I bring to this meeting as the leader of the House Democrats, who just won a big victory.”

Ain't nothing like power to kick the ass of presumption! Wink

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nicko wrote:Quill, we were "sold down  the River" by succeeding PM's who were only looking to feather their own nests.

Well, STUPID YOU! How the hell did you, a citizen of the strongest and wealthiest nation on the Continent, get sold anywhere?? Is this the culmination of you guys sucking on the US tit too long?

Grow up! Your acting just like the wimps that got you into this mess. Oh...boo hoo, boo hoo...they are all hurting me. One of the nice things about democracy is you can kick back. So, stop cowering in the gutter and get up and fight for yourself.

How the populists love the underdog role! Rolling Eyes

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:56 pm




We have decided to leave in the referendum.


Any mps obstructing this should be held for treason!

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Post by nicko on Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:25 pm

Quill, what exactly can I do about it ? please give me the benefit of your vast knowledge about how the "little man" can change things on his own ?
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nicko wrote:Quill, what exactly can I do about it ?    please give me the benefit of your vast knowledge about how the "little man" can change things on his own ?

Good question. Not being intimate with your system, my answer would be uninformed. But if I were to be asked the same question over here, I would say...

...go to meetings. Learn locally. Volunteer at the level you want to make changes. Who do you know who is involved in Brexit, if that is your issue? Call your mp. Never pass up an opportunity. Volunteer, if s/he is the right party. If you are home bound, get involved in some telephone/internet campaigns. Write, write, write...newspapers, blogs, letters (contacts are everything). The world and mankind is social (no matter what the individualists say), so rub elbows, talk, communicate. write...get together. That's politics.

One day, out of the blue, you will find yourself in the perfect position.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:01 pm

quiII...we DID do something...we voted OUT.....

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:35 pm

And quill... where do you think UKIP came from...!?



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Lord Foul wrote:quiII...we DID do something...we voted OUT.....

That's what I've been trying to suggest, in not too subtle terms. You can't just vote for something and then sit back and wait. Voting is just the authorization. You've got to have people in place to make it happen.

What was it that Captain Picard would say? "Make it so!"

It's almost as if you guys are too genteel for today's kind of politics. Mad

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Post by nicko on Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:40 pm

Do you recommend an "uprising" ?
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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:06 pm

Quill... what more can we do at this stage???


We had UKIP win the EU elections... then UKIP got 4 million votes in the 2015 UK gen elections, which was more votes than the lib dems and snp combined, while Tory and Labour each got just over double the number of votes at around 10 million each, and with massive numbers of Labour and Tory supporters also unhappy with the UK being in the EU and demanding a say on it in a referendum... this forced a referendum on the issue, with 17.4 million people voting to leave!!!


Politicians since then have not only agreed that they accept the referendum result, and declared that they would honour the decision and deliver it... but both Tory and Labour MPs were elected on manifesto pledges to do so in the 2017 general election too!!!


With around 2/3 labour and Tory mps now in parliament representing constituencies who voted leave!!!


MPs also voted overwhelmingly in favour of activating our article 50 notification of intent to leave the EU too!!!


So... please understand... when I use such strong terms as "betrayal" and "treason" towards certain politicians... I am not doing so lightly or without tangible good reason...!



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nicko wrote:Do you recommend an "uprising" ?

If that means rising up out of that soft chair, and contacting people...yes.

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Tommy Monk wrote:Quill... what more can we do at this stage???

Yes...and apparently your support skipped town.  Like Trump, you never expected to win.  Also like Trump, you had goals to carry through, but no one to implement them.

So, all the actors on your project are people who opposed the goal...which leaves your cause with no energy and a steep hill to climb.

I would say at this point you have nothing.  I mean, you may have a nice architect's rendering, but no blueprints and no engineers...and certainly, no workers to "make it so".

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No... the support hasn't skipped town... or gone anywhere...


Just some treachery and betrayal being demonstrated by some politicians... who seem to have forgotten who they are supposed to be serving...






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Tommy Monk wrote:

No... the support hasn't skipped town... or gone anywhere...


Just some treachery and betrayal being demonstrated by some politicians... who seem to have forgotten who they are supposed to be serving...

"Treachery?"  "Betrayal?"  If you don't know what's going on you are in that lower echelon of toryism.

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