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Post by phildidge on Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:51 am

Nursery staff have been told not to call children ‘boys and girls’ – or tell them stories about male characters – in an attempt to stamp out gender discrimination.

New guidelines urge childcare providers to introduce ‘gender-equal play’ so that boys are encouraged to play girls’ games, and vice versa.

But the guidance from the Care Inspectorate (CI) also cautions against telling stories about ‘Mr Squirrel’ to break down masculine stereotypes – or even using the word ‘mankind’ instead of ‘humanity’.

Children should also be shown images of same-sex parents in educational materials, while posters displaying male ballet dancers are encouraged to break down gender divisions.

The Rev David Robertson, former Moderator of the Free Church of Scotland, criticised the CI last night, saying: ‘Have they gone nuts? They’ve lost a degree of sanity and moved out of touch with the real world – they are living in a parallel universe.

‘The Care Inspectorate are no longer about inspecting care standards, they’re about inspecting doctrine.’

The taxpayer-funded body, which inspects registered childcare providers, said the initiative has been brought in because ‘childhood and play is becoming more gendered and polarised between girls and boys’.

It has joined forces with campaigners at Zero Tolerance – which works to eradicate male violence against women – to produce the guide, which aims to promote the benefits of children of both sexes playing with a range of toys.

Guidelines advise that nursery staff should ‘try greeting children with “hello everyone” or “children” instead of “hello boys and girls”.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6491283/Nurseries-told-not-call-children-boys-girls-use-humanity-instead-mankind.html

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Post by Syl on Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:11 pm

One more that should be filed under "Has the world gone mad" banner.

I swear some disturbed people will not be happy till male and female identification is banned completely from our society. Rolling Eyes .

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Post by phildidge on Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:47 pm

Syl wrote:One more that should be filed under "Has the world gone mad" banner.

I swear some disturbed people will not be happy till male and female identification is banned completely from our society.  Rolling Eyes .


Exactly Syl. The vast majority of people are male and female. So why try to erase this biological fact?

There is nothing worse than when science comes under attack, by the PC culture.

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Post by Syl on Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:54 pm

Thor wrote:
Syl wrote:One more that should be filed under "Has the world gone mad" banner.

I swear some disturbed people will not be happy till male and female identification is banned completely from our society.  Rolling Eyes .


Exactly Syl. The vast majority of people are male and female. So why try to erase this biological fact?

There is nothing worse than when science comes under attack, by the PC culture.

More and more we are reading about the minority, sadly often in charge of the majority, who are conning people in this way...and it is a con.
No one in their right mind, no matter what age group they are, should object to being addressed by the sex they are. A boy is a boy and a girl is a girl...IF they are genuinely transgender, it can be addressed at the right time.
To pander to the tiny few by forcing the vast majority to comply is ridiculous.

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Syl wrote:
Thor wrote:


Exactly Syl. The vast majority of people are male and female. So why try to erase this biological fact?

There is nothing worse than when science comes under attack, by the PC culture.

More and more we are reading about the minority, sadly often in charge of the majority, who are conning people in this way...and it is a con.
No one in their right mind, no matter what age group they are, should object to being addressed by the sex they are. A boy is a boy and a girl is a girl...IF they are genuinely transgender, it can be addressed at the right time.
To pander to the tiny few by forcing the vast majority to comply is ridiculous.

+1

I mean look at it from this view point, where now masculinity is seen as something basically evil. Where they are trying to feminise men.

Its a poor experiment being played out on kids, which will in the end only create more mental health issues within society

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Post by nicko on Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:17 pm

I,m sick to death of the bloody left leaning Snowflakes, why don't they MAN UP ?
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Post by nicko on Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:20 pm

PS who's telling them this bollocks ? It always says "they have been told" , who the bloody hell is THEY ?
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nicko wrote:I,m sick to death of the bloody left leaning Snowflakes, why don't they MAN UP ?


lol!

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nicko wrote:PS who's telling them this bollocks ?  It always says "they have been told"  ,  who the bloody hell is THEY ?

Um...possibly the Muslims? Have they gone nuts? Nurseries are told not to call children 'boys' and 'girls' and to use 'humanity' instead of 'mankind' in bid to stamp out gender discrimination (and even stories about Mr Squirrel are banned!) 2190311264

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:11 pm

These idiots need shooting...

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Post by Victorismyhero on Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:24 pm

I reference eils posts on xanother thread where to paraphrase, he said, that these minority LW views of insignificant lefties should be ignored by us RW types and that he couldnt see what harm it caused so let em get on with it.

Now we see how these idiotic and dangerous ideas get slipped into mainstream life, and rammed down the throat of a basically compliant (because they have been educated not to actually THINK,) population, via a LW dominated and controlled Semi govt organisation.

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Tommy Monk wrote:These idiots need shooting...

But give us gold stars when we guess correctly. Razz

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:44 pm

nicko wrote:I,m sick to death of the bloody left leaning Snowflakes, why don't they MAN UP ?

I am "offended."

It should be "...PERSON UP..."

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Post by eddie on Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:10 pm

Because the people of the world are going mad trying to be something they’re not instead of just allowing people to just be. It’s getting boring. It’s getting confusing. It’s getting to be so that people just won’t speak.

What a shame. We seem to be going backwards instead of forwards.

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:13 pm

I wonder how these twerps might present the tale of Little Noddy and Big Ears......
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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:17 am

Lord Foul wrote:I reference eils posts on xanother thread where to paraphrase, he said, that these minority LW views of insignificant lefties should be ignored by us RW types and that he couldnt see what harm it caused so let em get on with it.

Now we see how these idiotic and dangerous ideas get slipped into mainstream life, and rammed down the throat of a basically compliant (because they have been educated not to actually THINK,) population, via a LW dominated and controlled Semi govt organisation.


These idiot lefty's have been parachuted into positions of power all across local councils and other tax payer funded organisations for years under Labour... And they are still there enacting the same agenda throughout...


And it's not just happening here in UK... but in Canada, Australia, and throughout Europe...



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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:47 am

Here's some good reporting about the intent behind the new initiative that the Daily Mail must have overlooked:

Rachel Adamson, director of Zero Tolerance, said: “Gender stereotypes encourage restrictive ideas of what it means to be a boy or a girl.

“They teach girls to be pretty and not to play with ‘boy’s toys’ such as cars and sports.

“They teach boys to be unemotional and not to play with ‘girl’s toys’ like baby dolls and art.

“Segregating toys in this way limits play, which is crucial to how children develop and learn about the world.”

She added: “The damaging effects of these early gender stereotypes are experienced by all children, but particularly by girls, from a young age, impacting their self-esteem, well-being, job choices and income.

“Evidence also shows that in societies with more gender stereotyping there are higher levels of violence against women.

“By tackling gender stereotyping, we can give children the opportunity to play and learn without the restrictions these stereotypes place on them.”

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2018/12/12/childcare-providers-urged-to-promote-gender-equal-play/

That sounds quite sensible to me. The rules they've come up with are insane, but the intent sounds noble, actually.

I make a conscious effort not to harp too much on my stepdaughter's appearance, because I want her to be more than an Essex Girl. Because she is more than that. Because most Essex Girls are more than an Essex Girl, but society fills people's minds with bullshit.

So my conclusion - criticize the tactics? Most definitely. But understand the intent, too, because it's not crazy to say that children shouldn't be stuffed into little boxes.

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>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:Here's some good reporting about the intent behind the new initiative that the Daily Mail must have overlooked:

Rachel Adamson, director of Zero Tolerance, said: “Gender stereotypes encourage restrictive ideas of what it means to be a boy or a girl.

“They teach girls to be pretty and not to play with ‘boy’s toys’ such as cars and sports.

“They teach boys to be unemotional and not to play with ‘girl’s toys’ like baby dolls and art.

“Segregating toys in this way limits play, which is crucial to how children develop and learn about the world.”

She added: “The damaging effects of these early gender stereotypes are experienced by all children, but particularly by girls, from a young age, impacting their self-esteem, well-being, job choices and income.

“Evidence also shows that in societies with more gender stereotyping there are higher levels of violence against women.

“By tackling gender stereotyping, we can give children the opportunity to play and learn without the restrictions these stereotypes place on them.”

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2018/12/12/childcare-providers-urged-to-promote-gender-equal-play/

That sounds quite sensible to me. The rules they've come up with are insane, but the intent sounds noble, actually.

I make a conscious effort not to harp too much on my stepdaughter's appearance, because I want her to be more than an Essex Girl. Because she is more than that. Because most Essex Girls are more than an Essex Girl, but society fills people's minds with bullshit.

So my conclusion - criticize the tactics? Most definitely. But understand the intent, too, because it's not crazy to say that children shouldn't be stuffed into little boxes.


Actually it shows the left are clueless

As on just about every study, where they have studied this with toys

Boys will pick boy toys and girls will pick girl toys. Even in scandinavia, they did this with babies

Children as young as 9 months-old prefer to play with toys specific to their own gender, according to a new study. The research suggests the possibility that boys and girls follow different developmental trajectories with respect to selection of gender-typed toys and that there is both a biological and a developmental-environmental components to the sex differences seen in object preferences.


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160715114739.htm


This is not obly evident in humans but other animals

Hence the intent is stupid, when it fails to undertstand the biology of the different sexes and is based on a falsehood in the first place. That this will somehow combat the above mentioned problems. It wont.

The other point is how is toys going to have damaging effects on children with gender sterotypes?

Its based on a perception and a poor perception at that, to feminise boys, based around a view that some how masulinity is something evil

There is also zero evidence where there is gender sterotypes that there is then more violence

Hence its a ruse to indoctrinate children and not allow a free choice

To claim its effecting their self esteem, when men are vastly higher with suicide rates than girls. Girls are now more likely to go to University and the reason many do not get us much pay as men. Is because many end up becoming mothers and do not lead  a full time career in work as men do. What that means is parenting should be shared more. Toys is not going to change the reality

Hence its a ridiculous social experiment that has been played on out in the Scandinavian countries. 

And guess what?

Had you asked any group of social scientists — left-wing, centrist, conservative (if you could find them) — 30 years ago “Will egalitarian social policies in wealthy countries produce men and women who are more similar or more different?” the majority would have certainly said, “more similar.” And, to some degree, that has happened. Women have entered the workforce en masse, and are participating at levels approaching or exceeding equality in many of the domains that were male majority prior to the 1960s. But …

And this is a major but. We seem to have reached the point of diminishing, or even reversing returns. Over the last five decades or so, psychologists have aggregated great numbers of descriptions of personality traits, using adjectives, phrases and sentences, throwing virtually every descriptor contained in human language into the mix, in a remarkably atheoretical manner. The method? Describe people every which way imaginable, and then use large samples and powerful statistics to sort out the resulting mess. The results? Something approaching a consensus among psychologists expert in measurement, known as psychometricians (or, less technically, personality psychologists). The latter happens to be my field, in addition to clinical psychology. When you ask thousands of people hundreds of questions (or ask them to rate themselves using descriptive adjectives such as “kind,” “competitive,” “happy,” “anxious,” “creative,” “diligent,” etc.) powerful statistics can identify patterns. People who describe themselves as “kind” tend not to consider themselves “competitive,” for example, but are likely to accept “cooperative” and “caring.” Likewise, creative types might regard themselves as “curious” and “inventive,” while the diligent types are also “dutiful” and “orderly.”

Once a relatively standard model had been agreed upon, and been deemed reliable and valid, then differences, such as those between the sexes, could be investigated. What emerged? First, men and women are more similar than they are different. Even when men and women are most different — in those cultures where they differ most, and along those trait dimensions where they differ most — they are more similar than different. However, the differences that do exist  are large enough so that they play an important role in determining or at least affecting important life outcomes, such as occupational choice.

Where are the largest differences? Men are less agreeable (more competitive, harsher, tough-minded, skeptical, unsympathetic, critically-minded, independent, stubborn). This is in keeping with their proclivity, also documented cross-culturally, to manifest higher rates of violence and antisocial or criminal behavior, such that incarceration rates for men vs women approximate 10:1. Women are higher in negative emotion, or neuroticism. They experience more anxiety, emotional pain, frustration, grief, self-conscious doubt and disappointment. This seems to emerge at puberty.

There are other sex differences as well, but they aren’t as large, excepting that of interest: men are comparatively more interested in things and women in people. This is the largest psychological difference between men and women yet identified. And these differences drive occupational choice, particularly at the extremes. Engineers, for example, tend to be those who are not only interested in things, but who are more interested in things than most people, men or women.

It’s very important to remember that many choices are made at the extreme, and not the average. It’s not the average more aggressive/less agreeable male that’s in prison. In fact, if you draw a random man and a random woman from the population, and you bet that the woman is more aggressive/less agreeable, you’d be correct about 40% of the time. But if you walked into a roomful of people everyone of whom had been selected to be the most aggressive person out of a 100, almost every one of them would be male.

So even though men and women are more the same than they are different, the differences can matter.

What happens if you look at sex differences in personality and interest by country? Are the differences bigger in some countries and smaller in others? Would the differences between men and women be larger or smaller in wealthier countries? In more egalitarian countries? The answer: the more egalitarian and wealthier the country, the larger the differences between men and women in temperament and in interest. And the relationship is not small. The most recent study, published in Science (by researchers at Berkeley, hardly a hotbed of conservatism and patriarchy) showed a relationship between a wealth/egalitarian composite measure and sex differences that was larger than that reported in 99% of published social science studies. These are not small-scale studies. Tens of thousands of people have participated in them. And many different groups of scientists have come to the same conclusions, and published those results in very good journals.

Given that differences in temperament and interest help determine occupational choice, and that differences in occupational choice drives variability in such things as income, this indicates that political doctrines that promote equality of opportunity also drive inequality of outcome.

This is a big problem — particularly if the goal of such egalitarian policies was to minimize the differences between men and women. It’s actually a fatal problem for a particular political view. The facts can be denied, but only at the cost of throwing out social science in its entirety and a good bit of biology as well. That is simply not a reasonable solution.

The best explanation, so far, for the fact of the growing differences is that there are two reasons for the differences between men and women: biology and culture. If you minimize the cultural differences (as you do with egalitarian social policies) then you allow the biological differences to manifest themselves fully. I have seen social scientists struggle to offer a cultural explanation, but I haven’t heard any such hypothesis that is the least bit credible, and have been unable to formulate one myself.

There are also those who insist that we just haven’t gone far enough in our egalitarian attempts — that even Scandinavia and The Netherlands, arguably the world’s most egalitarian societies, are still rampantly patriarchal — but that doesn’t explain why the sex differences have grown, rather than shrunk, as those cultures have become demonstrably more equal in social policy.

Those who adopt this viewpoint, despite its apparent logical impossibility, maintain that we must  redouble our efforts to socialize little boys and girls in exactly the same manner — rendering all toys gender-neutral, questioning even the idea of gender identity itself — and believe that such maneuvering will finally bring us to the ideal utopia, where every occupation and every strata of authority within every occupation is manned (so to speak) by 50% men and 50% women. Why should we launch large-scale experiments aimed at transforming the socialization of children when we have no idea what the outcome might be? And why should we presume that we know how to eliminate gender identity among young children? Finally, why exactly is it a problem if men and women, freed to make the choices they would make when confronted with egalitarian opportunities, happen to make different choices?

So, this is the Scandinavian conundrum —  one that also affects the broader Western world (and the rest of the world, soon enough). Policies that maximize equality of opportunity make equality of outcome increasingly impossible. The doctrine, ever more radically and loudly insisted upon by the politically correct, that sex differences are only socially constructed is wrong. Get it? Wrong.

It’s no wonder that when I came bearing this news the Swedish Foreign Minister (a proud member of the world’s only self-proclaimed feminist government) suggested publicly that I crawl back under my rock, and that one of Sweden’s leading female politicians objected on prime time TV that her daughter could be raised to be anything she wants to be. But facts is facts, I’m afraid, and no amount of neo-Marxist leftist postmodern suggestion that social science is a patriarchal construction is going to make the ugly truth disappear: Men and women are similar. But they are importantly different.

The differences matter, particularly at the extremes, particularly with regard to occupational choice and its concomitants. There are going to be more male criminals, and more male engineers, and more females with diagnoses of depression and anxiety, and more female nurses. And there are going to be differences in economic outcome associated with this variance.

Game over, utopians.

And that’s why the information I shared during my visit to Scandinavia caused a scandal that continues to reverberate.

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I don't think anyone is trying to say that the sexes are exactly the same.

Rather, they've identified a problem in that the sexes are becoming increasingly polarized, which does seem to be the case.

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Bullshit... increasingly confused more like...

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:05 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:Here's some good reporting about the intent behind the new initiative that the Daily Mail must have overlooked:

Rachel Adamson, director of Zero Tolerance, said: “Gender stereotypes encourage restrictive ideas of what it means to be a boy or a girl.

“They teach girls to be pretty and not to play with ‘boy’s toys’ such as cars and sports.

“They teach boys to be unemotional and not to play with ‘girl’s toys’ like baby dolls and art.

“Segregating toys in this way limits play, which is crucial to how children develop and learn about the world.”

She added: “The damaging effects of these early gender stereotypes are experienced by all children, but particularly by girls, from a young age, impacting their self-esteem, well-being, job choices and income.

“Evidence also shows that in societies with more gender stereotyping there are higher levels of violence against women.

“By tackling gender stereotyping, we can give children the opportunity to play and learn without the restrictions these stereotypes place on them.”

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2018/12/12/childcare-providers-urged-to-promote-gender-equal-play/

That sounds quite sensible to me. The rules they've come up with are insane, but the intent sounds noble, actually.

I make a conscious effort not to harp too much on my stepdaughter's appearance, because I want her to be more than an Essex Girl. Because she is more than that. Because most Essex Girls are more than an Essex Girl, but society fills people's minds with bullshit.

So my conclusion - criticize the tactics? Most definitely. But understand the intent, too, because it's not crazy to say that children shouldn't be stuffed into little boxes.


It sounds like you're the one with preconceived notions or stereotypes. You want her to be more than an Essex girl? What kind of nonsense is that?


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Post by phildidge on Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:24 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:I don't think anyone is trying to say that the sexes are exactly the same.

Rather, they've identified a problem in that the sexes are becoming increasingly polarized, which does seem to be the case.
So you think this ideolgical nonense that has already been seen in practice in Scandinavia. Where it did the opposite it set out to do. Is now time we applied the same failed reasoning over here then?

Again what is there to porve that any of this will have any effect?

Can they even predict the possible consequencs of such policies on youngsters?

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>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:I don't think anyone is trying to say that the sexes are exactly the same.

Rather, they've identified a problem in that the sexes are becoming increasingly polarized, which does seem to be the case.
So you think this ideolgical nonense that has already been seen in practice in Scandinavia. Where it did the opposite it set out to do. Is now time we applied the same failed reasoning over here then?

Again what is there to porve that any of this will have any effect?

Can they even predict the possible consequencs of such policies on youngsters?

Number one, I'm not defending the tactics described in this story. But let's please try to not make this a war, or a black and white issue.

Yes, the sexes are being more radically delineated than they used to be. Remember a time when all health foods weren't marketed exclusively to women? I do.

Marketing, societal pressures, etc. are pushing people to conform. You can't put a comprehensive definition on maleness or femininity, that screws with people's heads, especially young people's heads.

Just for an example - these are a few exact quotes from my wife:

"You're so MALE."

"You're really a guy a lot of the time."

"I don't think you realize what an alpha male you are."

"Dude you're such a fucking BLOKE."

Well, when I was really young, I used to pretend to be a superhero when I played. Not Superman, not Batman, not Spider-Man, but Wonder Woman. She was my favorite superhero and I wanted to be her when I was about four.

I turned out fine. In fact, I'm quite happy with the person I've become. And I have to give credit to my parents for allowing me to play however I wanted, without forcing me to try to be a stereotype.

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So good for you that you used to think you were wonder woman

What has any of the above got to do again, with a group of people trying a ideological flawed and ineffective lefist agenda and using kids as a social experiment?

To then claim you turned out fine when no experiment was acted out on you, is utterly irrelevant

Do you see how ridiculous that is even to claim?

The fact is this. Why is now what is a biological reality in regards to sexes, being cnesured and chnged by people?

Its based upon a poor belief, that again there is something wrong with men

Read your own story again. That the best way to combat this, is to deny biological what boys are girls are. That to change the language of children, and engineer a view is some how going to resolve all problems within the world

Its not, because again it fails to actually recognis the biological differences between men and women. It bases this only on a belief that the differences are social constructs. Hence why such political ideological policies are always going to in fact cause the opposite effect. It happens so often in many things. In politics, if we see populism in one extreme, then the polar opposite also increases. Here with this teaching, it ends up having the opposite effect in Scandinavia

So to claim you beling wonder woman, as a child, to then claim there is thus nothing to concern ourslves about this. Shows how out of touch with reality the left are.

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Post by eddie on Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:36 am

Sometimes, you don’t, won’t, read what is really being said.

It isn’t about being correct. It’s about listening.

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eddie wrote:Sometimes, you don’t, won’t, read what is really being said.

It isn’t about being correct. It’s about listening.  

Actually I do read and listen very well eddie, so dont get condescending and how about actually answering the points

This is actually about kids being used as social experiments. Which I find appalling

The main point is calling boys and girls what they are is being denied, why?

How is that some how now bad to do?

This is not even about sterotypes, but eradicating biological sex, in order to promote a leftist ideology, which seeks to cast men as the constant villan. Its going to increase the fragility of children and not make them stronger and confdent to enter the world as adults.

Now I have asked in what way will this help?

Many people grew up with such stereotypes and guess what. We have made massive leaps and bounds in social equality. It did not require the censurship of speech to do this.

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>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:I don't think anyone is trying to say that the sexes are exactly the same.

Rather, they've identified a problem in that the sexes are becoming increasingly polarized, which does seem to be the case.


And again you would be wrong on that Ben

Where do you think these students are getting their warped beliefs from, where they now claim its fascists to state biological facts?


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Syl wrote:I liked the days when was men were men and women were glad of it myself. I love you

Those are now called rapists.

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Syl wrote:I liked the days when was men were men and women were glad of it myself. I love you

Those are now called rapists.  

I think your definition of a man possibly doesn't concur with mine.

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Those are now called rapists.  

I think your definition of a man possibly doesn't concur with mine.

Why is it 'my' definition? I just said that people call them ("those are called") rapists. I haven't stated my opinion or definition on the matter.

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Post by nicko on Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:56 pm

Quill, are you now , or have you ever been a Rapist?

That's Lawyer speak !
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nicko wrote:Quill, are you now , or have you ever been a Rapist?

                      That's Lawyer speak !

Donald Trump says Mexicans are rapists. I'm a Scottish American, not a Mexican.

But as soon as he is opposed by a few from non-shithole countries, they too will be rapists.

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nicko wrote:Quill, are you now , or have you ever been a Rapist?



                      That's Lawyer speak !

Donald Trump says Mexicans are rapists.  I'm a Scottish American, not a Mexican.

But as soon as he is opposed by a few from non-shithole countries, they too will be rapists.

Why did you say that men are called rapists then? You're not Scottish anyway.

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Post by Jules on Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:06 pm

@ OP,
Does the CI have any clout?  Hope not. They sound daft!

I think (hope) they have the power to make recommendations but cannot enforce them.

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Donald Trump says Mexicans are rapists.  I'm a Scottish American, not a Mexican.

But as soon as he is opposed by a few from non-shithole countries, they too will be rapists.

Why did you say that men are called rapists then? You're not Scottish anyway.

It's the only conclusion these days. Trump calls all people of color (males) rapists, and he is proving by his actions and those of his cronies, that old, white men are rapists. Wink

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Post by Syl on Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:54 pm

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I think your definition of a man possibly doesn't concur with mine.

Why is it 'my' definition?  I just said that people call them ("those are called") rapists.  I haven't stated my opinion or definition on the matter.

Why should a man be called a rapist then?
Surely only men who rape should be called a rapist.


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Post by Vintage on Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:10 am

The majority of people can be classed as male or female, there is no spectrum of gender. There is a spectrum of attitude and ability which stretches from a man being more feminine in his attitude and abilities to a man being more masculine in his attitude and abilities and everything in between and a woman being more masculine in her attitude or abilities and more feminine in her attitudes and abilities and everything in between, sometimes there might be a problem with disparity between your physical and psychological gender but I don't think its that prevalent as seems to be made out these days.
In historical societies if someone decided to live as the other gender no one took much notice and let them get on with it.

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