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Post by Andy on Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:53 pm

The gurning old harriden doesn't know whether to shit, shake or shiver. No confidence votes still arriving. 3 votes lost today in the HoC. Contempt of Parliament. An almost certain lost vote next Tuesday on her Brexit deal.
She will surely fall on her sword.
And not before time.

Christ in a teacup, this is the worst government in living memory.


MPs vote to block no deal Brexit as Government loses third vote in a day

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Post by Andy on Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:58 pm

A withered old harlot called May
Got more unpopular by the day
Gove, Boris Rees Mogg and Hunt
All thought she was a serious punt
For some rumpy and a roll in the hay.

(That didn't finish how you expected)

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:00 pm

Andy wrote:A withered old harlot called May
Got more unpopular by the day
Gove, Boris Rees Mogg and Hunt
All thought she was a serious punt
For some rumpy and a roll in the hay.

(That didn't finish how you expected)

The internal rhyme meandered, with too many syllables.  Got to be crisp. Here's the Ode to Tiny European Cars:

There was a young man from Boston,
Who drove about in an Austin,
He had room for his ass,
And a gallon of gas,
But his balls hung out and he lost 'em.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:37 am

The British people are in charge... And we voted to leave the EU...


That means leave on WTO terms or with some other sort of mutually acceptable lower tariff deal is agreed before March 29th 2019!!!


And while at the moment, there is no acceptable deal on the table... then the only thing to do is leave on WTO terms!!!


There is no deal to be had whereby it means that we are still in the EU and/or still left under any sort of subservience to any EU control!!!



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Re: Brexit changes by the minute.

Post by Andy on Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:23 am

The country has truly been May'ed.
And all voters have been carefully played.
To stay or to leave
No one knows who to believe
And has left us feeling betrayed.


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Post by nicko on Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:24 am

Thought you were a remainder Andy ?
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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:34 am

Original Quill wrote:
Andy wrote:A withered old harlot called May
Got more unpopular by the day
Gove, Boris Rees Mogg and Hunt
All thought she was a serious punt
For some rumpy and a roll in the hay.

(That didn't finish how you expected)

The internal rhyme meandered, with too many syllables.  Got to be crisp.  Here's the Ode to Tiny European Cars:

There was a young man from Boston,
Who drove about in an Austin,
He had room for his ass,
And a gallon of gas,
But his balls hung out and he lost 'em.


Yep, there's a definite art in penning that sort of literature\;

There once was a lawyer called Quill
with a fort on a bleak Scottish hill.
But his sporran and kilt
weren't so robustly built
and his bollocks are feeling the chill.
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Post by nicko on Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:22 pm

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Re: Brexit changes by the minute.

Post by Andy on Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:08 pm

nicko wrote:Thought you were a remainder Andy ?
Only by the ratio of 52/48.
And neither am I fully behind Corbyn.
I prefer Starmer and Ummunna, with David Miliband back in the fold.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:22 pm


The British people voted to leave the EU... And it was well established at the time of the vote that leaving the EU meant leaving the 'single market and customs union'...!


Time to get on with it!!!


No deal is the best option we have!!!

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Post by Original Quill Yesterday at 5:29 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
The British people voted to leave the EU... And it was well established at the time of the vote that leaving the EU meant leaving the 'single market and customs union'...!


Time to get on with it!!!

But they just can't figure out how. Reminds me of one of Trump's well-planned policies: I want! I want! Damn it, I want!

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Post by Tommy Monk Yesterday at 5:31 pm



It's easy... problem is that we have a parliament full of remain mps who are trying to fuk it up...



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Post by Andy Yesterday at 5:36 pm

Suck it up, snowflake. 48% voted to remain.
If there was. a second referendum for the 52%, do you honestly think all would want a no deal , hard Brexit?


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Post by Tommy Monk Yesterday at 5:47 pm

We voted to leave the EU, which meant to leave the single market and leave the customs union...


And about 70% of mps in parliament represent leave constituencies...


So it is not me who should stop being a snowflake and suck anything up...


It is remainers who need to stop remoaning on and on and stop trying to fuk up what the British people voted for!!!


There is no such thing as hard or soft brexit... it is either leave the EU or end up with a fudge where we are still sort of in it...


No deal is fine... go to WTO trade arrangement... the rules are clearly laid out already... everyone knows where we stand then...

Then once out of the EU, we can look at reducing any tariffs with EU and others on a reciprocal mutually beneficial basis...!



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Post by Original Quill Yesterday at 5:47 pm

Face it. It was an impetuous move, not well thought out. Now you're stuck trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.


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Post by Tommy Monk Yesterday at 5:50 pm

No... we have a load of remoaners who are trying to turn a silk purse into a sows ear...!



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Post by Original Quill Yesterday at 6:22 pm

Let's face it. The elite of Britain were against Brexit. The populist outliars were for it. Same thing is going on here in the US: Trump's populist outliars can't get anything done. But as is true everywhere, the elite get things done, in Parliament as in Congress.

What T. May should do is say, 'Y'all draft it, I'll be in my office.' Then she should leave it alone. Let it die aborning.

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Post by Tommy Monk Yesterday at 6:44 pm

No... what we should do is leave on a "No deal" basis...!!!



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Post by Original Quill Yesterday at 7:07 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:No... what we should do is leave on a "No deal" basis...!!!

It depends on what's at stake. You could be leaving money on the table, in which case you would be a stupe.

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Post by HoratioTarr Yesterday at 7:13 pm

What I find most disturbing is the way everyone in the House of Commons were all trying to outdo each other with battering TM. Sure, she's a weak leader and she has to go, but she's still representing what the majority voted for, so instead of wasting energy and time berating her, pull together and find a fucking solution. The solution is not to have another referendum. We were lied to back then, and we've been lied to now, and politicians always lie because that's their agenda....their agenda is always them. If it wasn't, our country would run like a well oiled machine. But it doesn't. It's a mess.

It's only in time of pure war that this country has ever pulled as one, or been socially cohesive.

At the rate of population increase, the NHS, benefits and State Pensions will cease to be viable in the distant future. That will be the future that the snowflakes scream about now ruined by the UK bending the knee to Brussels. Do you think for one moment Europe will subsidise any of that if it all goes tits up?

The UK pays out the highest of all European countries in benefits, free health, child benefits, housing, etc.

AUSTRIA

Health care Available immediately, but only if you pay “social insurance”

Child benefit Immediate payment of £89 per month

Unemployment benefit Only available to people who have paid social insurance

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

BELGIUM

Health care Available after a year

Child benefit £115 a month, available immediately

Unemployment benefit Have to have previously worked in Belgium

Housing benefit No national scheme; amounts vary regionally.

BULGARIA

Health care Free emergency care immediately; other treatments only available if you pay social insurance

Child benefit Targeted schemes restricted to Bulgarian citizens

Unemployment benefit Minimum of nine months of working in the country required to qualify

Housing benefit Immediate monthly allowance buzt only if you have a local authority home already

CYPRUS

Health care Free, available immediately

Child benefit Immediate yearly payment of £444

Unemployment benefit Six months of work in Cyprus required to qualify

Housing benefit Immediately available, limited to £506 a month

CZECH REPUBLIC

Health care Available immediately but cash charges apply

Child benefit £23 a month available immediately

Unemployment benefit 12-month minimum qualifying period

Housing benefit Available immediately

DENMARK

Health care Free, available immediately

Child benefit Up to £161 a month available after 12 months

Unemployment benefit Minimum of one year’s work required to qualify

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

ESTONIA

Health care Available immediately but cash payments required for some treatments

Child benefit £16 per month available immediately

Unemployment benefit £12.50 per week available immediately

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

FINLAND

Health care Public health service charging flat-rate fees. Available immediately

Child benefit £88 per month available immediately

Unemployment benefit Basic weekly unemployment allowance available after two months

Housing benefit Up to 80 per cent of housing costs available immediately but system varies regionally

FRANCE

Health care Only available with a card proving entitlement, issued to residents

Child benefit Immediate payment, but only for parents with more than one child

Unemployment benefit Four-month qualifying period

Housing benefit Immediate; scheme based on house size and local factors

GERMANY

Health care Only available with a health insurance card

Child benefit £155 per month available immediately

Unemployment benefit Immediate means-tested allowance for jobseekers who have made "intensive efforts" to find work

Housing benefit Full amount of housing costs available immediately

GREECE

Health care 100 days of work required to qualify

Child benefit No equivalent scheme

Unemployment benefit Minimum of six months of work required to qualify

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

HUNGARY

Health care Not immediately available

Child benefit £40.60 per month available immediately

Unemployment benefit Minimum qualifying period of 360 days

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

IRELAND

Health care Free after living in Ireland for three consecutive years, but free immediately to UK citizens

Child benefit £110 per month available immediately

Unemployment benefit £160 per week available immediately

Housing benefit Immediate rent supplement providing short-term support

ITALY

Health care Free, available immediately

Child benefit No equivalent scheme

Unemployment benefit Qualifying period of three months

Housing benefit No national scheme; varies according to region

LATVIA

Health care Public health service with fees for GP and hospital visits, available immediately

Child benefit Immediate monthly payment of £9.30

Unemployment benefit One-year qualifying period

Housing benefit Varies locally

LITHUANIA

Health care Three months qualifying period but “urgent care” free immediately

Child benefit Immediate monthly payment of £24

Unemployment benefit 18-month qualifying period

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

LUXEMBOURG

Health care Not available immediately, as insurance-based

Child benefit £157.10 per month available immediately

Unemployment benefit Minimum of six months of work required to qualify

Housing benefit Immediate rent allowance of up to £104.90

MALTA

Health care Free, available immediately

Child benefit Immediate payment; up to £81.55 a month

Unemployment benefit Immediate means-tested benefit of up to £16 per day

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

POLAND

Health care Free, available immediately

Child benefit Immediate payment of up to £54 per month

Unemployment benefit Qualifying period of one year

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

PORTUGAL

Health care Free, available immediately

Child benefit Monthly payment of up to £40

Unemployment benefit Qualifying period of 180 days

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

ROMANIA

Health care six-month qualifying period, except for emergencies

Child benefit monthly payment of up to £20

Unemployment benefit minimum qualifying period of 12 months

Housing benefit no equivalent scheme

SLOVAKIA

Health care immediately available; nominal cash payment for treatments

Child benefit immediate monthly payment of £19

Unemployment benefit minimum two-year qualifying period

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

SLOVENIA

Health care Available immediately but required to pay minimum of 10 per cent of some treatment costs

Child benefit Immediate payment of up to £97 per month

Unemployment benefit Minimum contribution of nine months

Housing benefit Only available if you already have social housing

SPAIN

Health care Only available with a card proving entitlement

Child benefit Immediate payment of up to £20 per month

Unemployment benefit Immediate payment available based on a variable proportion of average wages

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

SWEDEN

Health care Available immediately; basic fees for care

Child benefit Immediate monthly payment of £101

Unemployment benefit Six-month qualifying period

Housing benefit Immediate monthly allowance of up to £125

HOLLAND

Health care only available with a certificate proving entitlement

Child benefit Immediate payment of £943 per year

Unemployment benefit Six-month qualifying period

Housing benefit Means tested, available immediately

UNITED KINGDOM

Health care Available immediately and free of charge under the National Health Service

Child benefit Paid immediately if the child is under 16, or 16 to 19 and in education or training, and the claimant has an individual income of less than £50,000. Amount is £20.30 a week for the eldest or only child, £13.40 per additional child

Unemployment benefit Immediate payment of £71.70 a week in Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA) after proving you are actively seeking work. EU migrants have to pass the “right-to-reside” test to show they are “economically active”. The European Commission wants to abolish this test. There is also contribution-based additional JSA which is only available after working for at least two years.

Housing benefit Available immediately if you are on a low income, whether you are working or unemployed.

How much depends on individual circumstances, but amount cannot normally exceed £250 per week for a one-bedroom property, or up to £400 a week for four bedrooms or more

Sources: European Commission guides to social security and health care in member states, Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, Department for Work and Pensions.

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Post by Fred Moletrousers Yesterday at 7:23 pm

Andy wrote:Suck it up, snowflake. 48% voted to remain.
If there was. a second referendum for the 52%, do you honestly think all  would want a no deal , hard Brexit?



...er, and 52 per cent voted to leave, Andy.

Now, I'm probably the biggest mathematical dunce in this forum, but at least my numerical education was successful enough to make me even me realise that 52 per cent is a majority, and that unless I'm mistaken the majority in a straightforward "yes or no" contest is the winner.

You appear to be taking the side of the unelected bureaucracy that runs the European Union - aka the Commission: If a referendum does not return the answer required, the voters will just have to vote again - and again, if necessary - until they produce the "right" result.

Both the Dutch and the Irish found that out years ago when they dared to defy Europe's self-appointed, self-perpetuating Lords and Masters.

The fact is that we were never going to get a good deal from the Commission's (unelected) attack dog, Michele Barnier or the (unelected) Commissioners themselves because the growing resentment of and resistance to the Brussels' Dictatorship of the Bureaucrats and its determination to force the member nations into a de facto United States of Europe was becoming a very serious threat from a number of member states, including Italy, Germany and France as well as the newer Eastern Europe democracies,

In other words, Michele old boy, shaft the UK pour encourager les autres.

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Post by Tommy Monk Yesterday at 7:38 pm



Moley... I thought the EU was only about being a simple trade arrangement between EU countries...???


lol!


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Post by nicko Yesterday at 9:33 pm

That was what we voted for, NOTHING ELSE !
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