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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:58 pm


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Post by Thor on Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:16 pm

OMG, you have got to be kidding?

This is why I have said for ages, that the UN is so corrupt and not fit for purpose

How can criticism now be hate speech?

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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:19 pm

criticism can now be hate speech because the lefty's say it is ...so there.....

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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:20 pm

now shut up and be a compliant little grey man in a little grey box with a little grey life and dont question your masters......

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Post by Thor on Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:21 pm

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1052923/UN-migration-agreement-Angela-Merkel-EU-criticise-migration-hate-crime

It seems a number of western countries will rightly not sign up to this attack on free speech and democracy.

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Post by Thor on Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:23 pm

Lord Foul wrote:now shut up and be a compliant little grey man in a little grey box with a little grey life and dont question your masters......


Well I see the Far right in Spain have now won plenty of seats.

All this is going to do is ensure a disaster for Europe. As more and more of this insanity, is playing into the hands of the far right and will gain them even more support

Absolutely lunacy to claim this is hate speech.

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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:42 pm

yeah I have said for a few years now, if you remember, that the rise of the right is the fault of the left.....

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Post by Thor on Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:45 pm

Lord Foul wrote:yeah I have said for a few years now, if you remember, that the rise of the right is the fault of the left.....

Completely agree and as seen have also been saying for some time, but not as long as you have been

It seems many EU nations are against this and this is coming from the large Authoritarian block of nations on the UN

Its not dissimilar, to where countless timesn the large block of Muslim nations have pushed to make criticism of Islam a criminal offense

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation_of_religion_and_the_United_Nations

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Post by eddie on Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:46 pm

Lord Foul wrote:yeah I have said for a few years now, if you remember, that the rise of the right is the fault of the left.....

Can you explain what you mean? I don’t want yards of words and clever insinuations, just tell me what you mean. I think I know, but before I answer I want to be sure.

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Post by Lord Foul on Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:05 am

basically eddie, the left have, over many years now acted in such a way, high handed we know whats best for you so suck it up, (a stinging example being merkels actions vis immigration.) Coupled with the lefts vicious reaction to any challenge to their policies, (you only have to look how the leftys on here react to ANY criticism of immigration for instance) that immediately condemns anyone who even say "ere ang on a mo, is that a good idea" to being a murdering nazi....

coupled with the total failure of left wing attitudes and policies on criminal matters, and compounded with L/W sympathy for terrorists and complicity in grooming gang groups

and you know what.....people say "F**K that , I'm going to vote for the first guy that promises to deal with these things

and those who promise this are of course......far R/Wers hence the "rise of the right" in europe atm.
I think folks instinctively know the far Right are bad....but when it comes to picking up a turd, you pick the least smelly end and go with that.......I am sick to the back teeth when islamists are free to burn our flag and insult our serving men and women, I'm sick to death of "certain groups" being protected by L/W ers in positions of power when they rape and abuse vulnerable young girls on an industrial scale and I'm sick to death of the economic hit from importing people here ...YES we need immigrant workers......trained workers...nurses and other professionals, we DO NOT need the riff raff from every god forsaken back end of the world. we are NOT (in the words of that song, which I cant find anymore due no doubt to Lefty luvvie sensitives) de santa clause to de ev'ry race

this of course is not to mention the other noxious product of the left ....the gender fluid, pansexual insult finding whineing entitled snowflake that plagues our centers of learning demanding the destruction of historical statues paintings and god knows what else.



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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:41 am

Lord Foul wrote:basically eddie, the left have, over many years now acted in such a way, high handed we know whats best for you so suck it up, (a stinging example being merkels actions vis immigration.) Coupled with the lefts vicious reaction to any challenge to their policies, (you only have to look how the leftys on here react to ANY criticism of immigration for instance) that immediately condemns anyone who even say "ere ang on a mo, is that a good idea" to being a murdering nazi....

coupled with the total failure of left wing attitudes and policies on criminal matters, and compounded with L/W  sympathy for terrorists and complicity in grooming gang groups

and you know what.....people say "F**K that , I'm going to vote for the first guy that promises to deal with these things

and those who promise this are of course......far R/Wers  hence the "rise of the right" in europe atm.
I think folks instinctively know the far Right are bad....but when it comes to picking up a turd, you pick the least smelly end and go with that.......I am sick to the back teeth when islamists are free to burn our flag and insult our serving men and women, I'm sick to death of "certain groups" being protected by L/W ers in positions of power when they rape and abuse vulnerable young girls on an industrial scale and I'm sick to death of the economic hit from importing people here ...YES we need immigrant workers......trained workers...nurses and other professionals, we DO NOT need the riff raff from every god forsaken back end of the world. we are NOT (in the words of that song, which I cant find anymore due no doubt to Lefty luvvie sensitives) de santa clause to de ev'ry race

this of course is not to mention the other noxious product of the left ....the gender fluid, pansexual insult finding whineing entitled snowflake that plagues our centers of learning demanding the destruction of historical statues paintings and god knows what else.



So irritation with the left's sillier aspects has driven the voting public into the arms of wanna-be Nazis, in other words?

So we should abolish democracy, actually, because your underlying point seems to be that people are too stupid to govern themselves.

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:44 am

Also, LF, do you think that characterizing roughly half the world as evil is a) true, b) helpful or c) nonsensically destructive?

I don't mind nonsensical so much, nor destructive, just can't take the two of them together.

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Post by Thor on Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:40 am

*~[THE Ben Reilly]~* wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:basically eddie, the left have, over many years now acted in such a way, high handed we know whats best for you so suck it up, (a stinging example being merkels actions vis immigration.) Coupled with the lefts vicious reaction to any challenge to their policies, (you only have to look how the leftys on here react to ANY criticism of immigration for instance) that immediately condemns anyone who even say "ere ang on a mo, is that a good idea" to being a murdering nazi....

coupled with the total failure of left wing attitudes and policies on criminal matters, and compounded with L/W  sympathy for terrorists and complicity in grooming gang groups

and you know what.....people say "F**K that , I'm going to vote for the first guy that promises to deal with these things

and those who promise this are of course......far R/Wers  hence the "rise of the right" in europe atm.
I think folks instinctively know the far Right are bad....but when it comes to picking up a turd, you pick the least smelly end and go with that.......I am sick to the back teeth when islamists are free to burn our flag and insult our serving men and women, I'm sick to death of "certain groups" being protected by L/W ers in positions of power when they rape and abuse vulnerable young girls on an industrial scale and I'm sick to death of the economic hit from importing people here ...YES we need immigrant workers......trained workers...nurses and other professionals, we DO NOT need the riff raff from every god forsaken back end of the world. we are NOT (in the words of that song, which I cant find anymore due no doubt to Lefty luvvie sensitives) de santa clause to de ev'ry race

this of course is not to mention the other noxious product of the left ....the gender fluid, pansexual insult finding whineing entitled snowflake that plagues our centers of learning demanding the destruction of historical statues paintings and god knows what else.



So irritation with the left's sillier aspects has driven the voting public into the arms of wanna-be Nazis, in other words?

So we should abolish democracy, actually, because your underlying point seems to be that people are too stupid to govern themselves.

So you must now change your view, that the actions of the west, have pushed Muslims to become extremists then?

As to the actions on the left with immigration and problems surrounded culture clashses. The left are not listening and charging people as racist if they have concerns. Hence if the left are not going to listen, then who is going to listen to them?

The Far right, hence the left is pushing people into the arms of the Far right

Try using your brain for once

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Post by Thor on Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:49 am

lol how many reds were given to me and Lord Foul on this

Are people who did saying that people cannot be able to be critical about mass immigration, when a country can never hope to cope with such an influx, based on their infrustructure?

That this is somehow hate speech?

It also fails to even understand why people want to migrate and look at the very root core of that problem. The conditions in that country. So believeing the cure to that problem is pushing a billion people into the west in a short space of time. Is never going to ever cure that problem. As the root core of that problem still exist.

Now the vst majority of people are not against people migrating. They are against mass migrations. As there is a big difference on this and the problems the later causes.

What you have to do is actually help the countries where the problems do exist. Which is where the left always fail. They do not want to get involved in other countires that are major human rights abusers. The fail to understand it is capitalism that has helped get millions of people out of poverty and that this is the way forward for people to continue to do so. So mass migration will not solve this problem, but create many more problems. It fails to solve the problem in the original country, and creates many more in the countries they go to. As those countries cannot cope with the numbers due to their infrustructure.

And people think such talk is hate speech?

Well when the Far right has taken over Europe, of which it is certainly heading that way. I wonder if any of you that did red myself and Lord Foul, will reflect on how mind numbingly stupid you really are. As your stupidness, is allowing this to happen and in the end, more people will suffer due to this

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Post by gelico on Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:35 am

[quote="Thor"]lol how many reds were given to me and Lord Foul on this

Are people who did saying that people cannot be able to be critical about mass immigration, when a country can never hope to cope with such an influx, based on their infrustructure?

That this is somehow hate speech?

It also fails to even understand why people want to migrate and look at the very root core of that problem. The conditions in that country. So believeing the cure to that problem is pushing a billion people into the west in a short space of time. Is never going to ever cure that problem. As the root core of that problem still exist.

Now the vst majority of people are not against people migrating. They are against mass migrations. As there is a big difference on this and the problems the later causes.

What you have to do is actually help the countries where the problems do exist. Which is where the left always fail. They do not want to get involved in other countires that are major human rights abusers. The fail to understand it is capitalism that has helped get millions of people out of poverty and that this is the way forward for people to continue to do so. So mass migration will not solve this problem, but create many more problems. It fails to solve the problem in the original country, and creates many more in the countries they go to. As those countries cannot cope with the numbers due to their infrustructure.

And people think such talk is hate speech?

Well when the Far right has taken over Europe, of which it is certainly heading that way. I wonder if any of you that did red myself and Lord Foul, will reflect on how mind numbingly stupid you really are. As your stupidness, is allowing this to happen and in the end, more people will suffer due to this[/quote]


great post didge, i couldn't agree more

it's ironic to see the left banging on about the ''rise of the far right'' seemingly oblivious to the fact that they are the cause of it

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Post by Lord Foul on Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:57 am

*~[THE Ben Reilly]~* wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:basically eddie, the left have, over many years now acted in such a way, high handed we know whats best for you so suck it up, (a stinging example being merkels actions vis immigration.) Coupled with the lefts vicious reaction to any challenge to their policies, (you only have to look how the leftys on here react to ANY criticism of immigration for instance) that immediately condemns anyone who even say "ere ang on a mo, is that a good idea" to being a murdering nazi....

coupled with the total failure of left wing attitudes and policies on criminal matters, and compounded with L/W  sympathy for terrorists and complicity in grooming gang groups

and you know what.....people say "F**K that , I'm going to vote for the first guy that promises to deal with these things

and those who promise this are of course......far R/Wers  hence the "rise of the right" in europe atm.
I think folks instinctively know the far Right are bad....but when it comes to picking up a turd, you pick the least smelly end and go with that.......I am sick to the back teeth when islamists are free to burn our flag and insult our serving men and women, I'm sick to death of "certain groups" being protected by L/W ers in positions of power when they rape and abuse vulnerable young girls on an industrial scale and I'm sick to death of the economic hit from importing people here ...YES we need immigrant workers......trained workers...nurses and other professionals, we DO NOT need the riff raff from every god forsaken back end of the world. we are NOT (in the words of that song, which I cant find anymore due no doubt to Lefty luvvie sensitives) de santa clause to de ev'ry race

this of course is not to mention the other noxious product of the left ....the gender fluid, pansexual insult finding whineing entitled snowflake that plagues our centers of learning demanding the destruction of historical statues paintings and god knows what else.



So irritation with the left's sillier aspects has driven the voting public into the arms of wanna-be Nazis, in other words?

So we should abolish democracy, actually, because your underlying point seems to be that people are too stupid to govern themselves.

I dont think suppression of free speech and the censorship of the press in the way the UN are advocating is a mere "irritation". moreover this is just the thing that couple of cretins, Corbyn and Abbot would support and implement.
this has NOTHING to do with people governing themselves and all to do with imposition. OR, rather has everything to do with democracy, because people clearly ARE voting against this kind of idiocy in droves, hence the rise of the right.
Clearly in an attempt to avoid the hard question you concentrated on my second point...which is "mere irritation"

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Post by Thor on Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:58 pm

gelico wrote:
great post didge, i couldn't agree more

it's ironic to see the left banging on about the ''rise of the far right'' seemingly oblivious to the fact that they are the cause of it


Thanks Gelico

Its no good trying to censur and make it criminal to be critical of something. It smakcs in the very face of what liberalism stands for. Why to me the left are dividing away from th very core values of what Liberalism is and becoming radical leftist. Hence if you push one way radically on the political spectrum onto people. Its a no brainer, people will push further radical the opposite way also

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:39 pm

gelico wrote:it's ironic to see the left banging on about the ''rise of the far right'' seemingly oblivious to the fact that they are the cause of it

Meh...the right is on its death bed. People of color will soon be in the majority all over the world. Humor the old white folks in their waning moments.

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Post by Thor on Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:45 pm

Original Quill wrote:
gelico wrote:it's ironic to see the left banging on about the ''rise of the far right'' seemingly oblivious to the fact that they are the cause of it

Meh...the right is on its death bed.  People of color will soon be in the majority all over the world.  Humor the old white folks in their waning moments.  


And what politics do most of these African countries follow, where they are in charge?

Or even Asia?

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:06 pm

Thor wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Meh...the right is on its death bed.  People of color will soon be in the majority all over the world.  Humor the old white folks in their waning moments.  


And what politics do most of these African countries follow, where they are in charge?

Or even Asia?

I believe they are leftist oriented. They want to make the world a better place. They don't give a damn about profit...or any capitalist dogma. cheers

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Post by Thor on Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:08 pm

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Thor wrote:


And what politics do most of these African countries follow, where they are in charge?

Or even Asia?

I believe they are leftist oriented.  They want to make the world a better place.  They don't give a damn about profit...or any capitalist dogma.  cheers


Which shows you have not got a clue then

How many African nations support women's rights and homosexual rights?

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Thor wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I believe they are leftist oriented.  They want to make the world a better place.  They don't give a damn about profit...or any capitalist dogma.  cheers


Which shows you have not got a clue then

Indeed? Taking time to educate you has slowed me down some, but I keep up just fine. Twisted Evil

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Post by Thor on Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:40 pm

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Thor wrote:


Which shows you have not got a clue then

Indeed?  Taking time to educate you has slowed me down some, but I keep up just fine.  Twisted Evil

Is that why I am educating you here?

Again

How many African nations support women's rights and homosexual rights?

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Post by Vintage on Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:48 pm

The ordinary people of this world should not fight each other in any way, we should be getting together to help each other into the next stage of this world. Didge is quite right, we need to solve the problems of countries struggling to 'make a living' then there won't be any need for those in developed countries to be afraid of mass immigration from people forced from their homes, culture and family from poor countries, the only reason to leave your country should be that you want to do so for the experience or for exchange experience in medicine, engineering etc. There is no reason why anyone should have the upper hand, we can all co exist and trade honestly with each other.  This is the real socialist view. Inundating developed countries with immigrants with no skills is a recipe for disaster, the only thing to come out of it will be social unrest, civil wars, what will that do for anyone except the multinationals. If things break down that badly the whole structure of society will break down, the multinationals will have a mass of desperate people to employ at the lowest rate possible, people will vie for work just to stay alive, it'll be like the port workers of years gone by, 200 turn up begging for work that day, maybe 120 will be picked to work the rest go home empty handed again, this kind of thing happens in many developing countries now, if anything goes wrong and workers are killed or injured forget compensations, plenty more where they came from, the politicians meanwhile have little to do to manage a demoralised beaten populace.
I don't believe Quill's attitude sometimes, well most of the time, Africa doesn't give a damn about profit are you kidding me, even if you believe the nasty white folks have been the only ones to do wrong you are deluded and why you want a potential racial war I don't know.
Anyway Didge puts this much better than me.

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Post by Thor on Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:57 pm

Vintage wrote:The ordinary people of this world should not fight each other in any way, we should be getting together to help each other into the next stage of this world. Didge is quite right, we need to solve the problems of countries struggling to 'make a living' then there won't be any need for those in developed countries to be afraid of mass immigration from people forced from their homes, culture and family from poor countries, the only reason to leave your country should be that you want to do so for the experience or for exchange experience in medicine, engineering etc. There is no reason why anyone should have the upper hand, we can all co exist and trade honestly with each other.  This is the real socialist view. Inundating developed countries with immigrants with no skills is a recipe for disaster, the only thing to come out of it will be social unrest, civil wars, what will that do for anyone except the multinationals. If things break down that badly the whole structure of society will break down, the multinationals will have a mass of desperate people to employ at the lowest rate possible, people will vie for work just to stay alive, it'll be like the port workers of years gone by, 200 turn up begging for work that day, maybe 120 will be picked to work the rest go home empty handed again, this kind of thing happens in many developing countries now, if anything goes wrong and workers are killed or injured forget compensations, plenty more where they came from, the politicians meanwhile have little to do to manage a demoralised beaten populace.
I don't believe Quill's attitude sometimes, well most of the time, Africa doesn't give a damn about profit are you kidding me, even if you believe the nasty white folks have been the only ones to do wrong you are deluded and why you want a potential racial war I don't know.
Anyway Didge puts this much better than me.


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Actually Vintage your post was excellent and you explained this better than me, in my opinion.

Like I say the view of mass migration, when a country cannot cope with the levels, based on their infrustructure. Is never resolving the core problem, itself. But instead spreading and enlarging that problem further. People are happy that people want to start new lives in other nations, but there has to be some common sense around controlling the numbers. The reality is like you say, the majority would have no need to even leave, if not for the many problems that exist in their nations. Hence why it makes even more sense to help eradicate the problems they face. By helping bring about equal rights for people, empowering women with birth control, etc. Helping bring people out of poverty, which capitalism has made leaps and bounds of doing over many decades and is continuing to do so.

Hence you resolve a problem at its very core, where these problems exist.

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Post by Vintage on Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:10 pm

Thanks Didge, I may sound like a conspiracy nutcase but I do believe the aim is for a controlled, if possible, breakdown of law and order by mass immigration leading to civil unrest, to end up with a malleable general populace with no rights or power who will fight each other for work and food.

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Post by Thor on Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:18 pm

Vintage wrote:Thanks Didge, I may sound like a conspiracy nutcase but I do believe the aim is for a controlled, if possible, breakdown of law and order by mass immigration leading to civil unrest, to end up with a malleable general populace with no rights or power who will fight each other for work and food.


You could be right Vintage, but I think its far more simple. Its a bunch of authorative nations, that hold a majority within the UN. Trying to push their problems onto the western world. Thinking it will resolve their population explosions and resources problems for their people. 

It wont. 

Thus your possible consequences to this, could actually then be the case.

Its why the UN is simple a waste of time now, where the Authorative nations out number the Democratic ones

There is a petition for this to be debated, but it seems May has already decided to sign up to this next week.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232698

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Post by Vintage on Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:32 pm

I've probably been listening to too many conspiracy theorists but the state of governance these days makes me think, how can politicians in the developed democratic world have become so stupid, incompetent and weak kneed, it seems to be the case that there is not a leader among them. Is this some kind of natural political evolution, is it being forced upon them somehow or are they brainwashed?

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Post by nicko on Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:55 pm

If only----------Churchill -----------and Maggie were still here both together, what a combination !
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Post by Original Quill on Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:26 pm

Vintage wrote:I've probably been listening to too many conspiracy theorists but the state of governance these days makes me think, how can politicians in the developed democratic world have become so stupid, incompetent and weak kneed, it seems to be the case that there is not a leader among them. Is this some kind of natural political evolution, is it being forced upon them somehow or are they brainwashed?

No, it's just right-wingers, in both our nations. They are corrupt and they lie to cover it up.  France is OK...

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Post by Vintage on Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:48 pm

France already has riots they aren't ok

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:54 am

Vintage wrote:
I've probably been listening to too many conspiracy theorists but the state of governance these days makes me think, how can politicians in the developed democratic world have become so stupid, incompetent and weak kneed, it seems to be the case that there is not a leader among them. Is this some kind of natural political evolution, is it being forced upon them somehow or are they brainwashed?

Cool

There is no need for any kind of so-called "brainwashing" (a misnomer, if ever there was one, anyways -- as genuine "brain washing", as practised by Nazis, Soviets and Chinese Maoist communists, used torture, deprivation and drugs to forcibly 're-educate' people..).

When people misuse the term these days, they are normally referring to indoctrination -- the more gradual persuasion of people towards your desired point-of-view through convincing propaganda, scaremongering and advertising -- as often seen with some of that right-wing/pro-corporatist drivel that Dodge likes posting regularly, or the kind of anti-climate garbage that Tommy relies on to back usual nonsense..

As far as Euro-centric politics goes, there always seems to be enough gullible people out there ready to embrace smooth-tongued propagandists on the opposite side to whatever gov't is currently letting them down -- so they often don't even need to even use much indoctrination, let alone never needing to use genuine "brainwashing".

Most of the time when you see somebody accusing you of "being brainwashed" these days, notice how often that seems to be nothing more than lazy insults from that somebody who can't otherwise actually defend their own views being the opposite of whatever yours is on some particular issue..

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Post by Thor on Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:37 am

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Vintage wrote:I've probably been listening to too many conspiracy theorists but the state of governance these days makes me think, how can politicians in the developed democratic world have become so stupid, incompetent and weak kneed, it seems to be the case that there is not a leader among them. Is this some kind of natural political evolution, is it being forced upon them somehow or are they brainwashed?

No, it's just right-wingers, in both our nations.  They are corrupt and they lie to cover it up.  France is OK...


There is a fine example of claptrap, only and completely based on a bias opinion

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:13 am

Thor wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

No, it's just right-wingers, in both our nations.  They are corrupt and they lie to cover it up.  France is OK...

There is a fine example of claptrap, only and completely based on a bias opinion

Laughing Stuck for an answer?

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Post by Thor on Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:03 am

Original Quill wrote:
Thor wrote:

There is a fine example of claptrap, only and completely based on a bias opinion

Laughing  Stuck for an answer?

Still waiting for you to answer mine, based on your claims.. Laughing

How many African nations support women's rights and homosexual rights?

The above by you is inherantly hilarious

I suggest you watch


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Post by Thor on Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:52 am

This is very interesting, though I do not agree with his derogatory views on immigrants, the argument is sound to the rise of the yellow vests

Like to know what others think


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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:52 pm

Thor wrote:lol how many reds were given to me and Lord Foul on this

Are people who did saying that people cannot be able to be critical about mass immigration, when a country can never hope to cope with such an influx, based on their infrustructure?

That this is somehow hate speech?

It also fails to even understand why people want to migrate and look at the very root core of that problem. The conditions in that country. So believeing the cure to that problem is pushing a billion people into the west in a short space of time. Is never going to ever cure that problem. As the root core of that problem still exist.

Now the vst majority of people are not against people migrating. They are against mass migrations. As there is a big difference on this and the problems the later causes.

What you have to do is actually help the countries where the problems do exist. Which is where the left always fail. They do not want to get involved in other countires that are major human rights abusers. The fail to understand it is capitalism that has helped get millions of people out of poverty and that this is the way forward for people to continue to do so. So mass migration will not solve this problem, but create many more problems. It fails to solve the problem in the original country, and creates many more in the countries they go to. As those countries cannot cope with the numbers due to their infrustructure.

And people think such talk is hate speech?

Well when the Far right has taken over Europe, of which it is certainly heading that way. I wonder if any of you that did red myself and Lord Foul, will reflect on how mind numbingly stupid you really are. As your stupidness, is allowing this to happen and in the end, more people will suffer due to this

Just regard such "reds" as I do...the equivalent of the pitiful wails of a snotty-nosed toddler in need pf a nappy change who is having a tantrum in Tesco's because his mummy has taken his tube of Smarties away from him.
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Post by Original Quill on Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:31 pm

Vintage wrote:I've probably been listening to too many conspiracy theorists but the state of governance these days makes me think, how can politicians in the developed democratic world have become so stupid, incompetent and weak kneed, it seems to be the case that there is not a leader among them. Is this some kind of natural political evolution, is it being forced upon them somehow or are they brainwashed?

Are you talking about Charlottesville? You sound committed to something like that.

Weren't the Germans talking about "natural political evolution"? Sounds a bit Spencerian, and/or social Darwinism: a “cosmos of benevolent design”. What exactly do you mean by "the developed democratic world ". Is that 'code' for European/white nationalism?

Who do you have in mind for this "leader" to lift us out of our "stupid, incompetent and weak kneed" existence"? This sounds vaguely familiar.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:37 pm

Fred M. wrote:Just regard such "reds" as I do...the equivalent of the pitiful wails of a snotty-nosed toddler in need pf a nappy change who is having a tantrum in Tesco's because his mummy has taken his tube of Smarties away from him.

Um, Fred...Didge gives out more reds than anyone. He is a groupie and lives by the system of reward and punishment. You may not be flattering him. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Thor on Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:34 pm

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Fred M. wrote:Just regard such "reds" as I do...the equivalent of the pitiful wails of a snotty-nosed toddler in need pf a nappy change who is having a tantrum in Tesco's because his mummy has taken his tube of Smarties away from him.

Um, Fred...Didge gives out more reds than anyone.  He is a groupie and lives by the system of reward and punishment.  You may not be flattering him.  Rolling Eyes

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Post by Thor on Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:37 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Thor wrote:lol how many reds were given to me and Lord Foul on this

Are people who did saying that people cannot be able to be critical about mass immigration, when a country can never hope to cope with such an influx, based on their infrustructure?

That this is somehow hate speech?

It also fails to even understand why people want to migrate and look at the very root core of that problem. The conditions in that country. So believeing the cure to that problem is pushing a billion people into the west in a short space of time. Is never going to ever cure that problem. As the root core of that problem still exist.

Now the vst majority of people are not against people migrating. They are against mass migrations. As there is a big difference on this and the problems the later causes.

What you have to do is actually help the countries where the problems do exist. Which is where the left always fail. They do not want to get involved in other countires that are major human rights abusers. The fail to understand it is capitalism that has helped get millions of people out of poverty and that this is the way forward for people to continue to do so. So mass migration will not solve this problem, but create many more problems. It fails to solve the problem in the original country, and creates many more in the countries they go to. As those countries cannot cope with the numbers due to their infrustructure.

And people think such talk is hate speech?

Well when the Far right has taken over Europe, of which it is certainly heading that way. I wonder if any of you that did red myself and Lord Foul, will reflect on how mind numbingly stupid you really are. As your stupidness, is allowing this to happen and in the end, more people will suffer due to this

Just regard such "reds" as I do...the equivalent of the pitiful wails of a snotty-nosed toddler in need pf a nappy change who is having a tantrum in Tesco's because his mummy has taken his tube of Smarties away from him.

Agreed and I would add that they clearly also do not like the truth

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:55 pm

what stalin and hitler both tried with the machine gun the modern left attempt with statute.....

and @ Eil/wolfie ha and the rest of the L/W loons.....

perhaps I may be less caustic of the "left in general" when "the left in general" grow up and stop associating the concept of national socialism with hitler

see until then I will continue to assume that anything left is associated and equivalent to stalinism and needs combating as vigourously as possible.

just because hitler adopted the idea of national socialism (to start with ) does not mean that I or any other R/W er in particular is a "hitlerist"

look at your signature Eil....and yet you have not even mentioned the O/P and the dangerous anti democratic thing that it is....you tolerate such intolerance.......because it marries with your global left wing stance perhaps.....

you would soon cry if a R/W caucus advocated and pushed in the same way against criticising the (justifiable) idea that migrants should have NO state aid of any sort for 5 years after coming here. (which I understand is the aussie way ).

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:56 pm

I suspect what the left on here are saying is "shush, its all ok, no really, we know whats best for you "........AGAIN
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Post by Vintage on Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:16 pm

Quill I'm sorry I very often haven't got a clue where you are coming from, its as though you inhabit a different universe, so I can't give you an answer, I don't seem to have the same problem elsewhere but of course maybe its me being dense.

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Post by Eilzel on Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:13 am

Lord Foul wrote:what stalin and hitler both tried with the machine gun the modern left attempt with statute.....

and @ Eil/wolfie ha and the rest of the L/W loons.....

perhaps I may be less caustic of the "left in general" when "the left in general" grow up and stop associating the concept of national socialism with hitler

see until then I will continue to assume that anything left is associated and equivalent to stalinism and needs combating as vigourously as possible.

just because hitler adopted the idea of national socialism (to start with ) does not mean that I or any other R/W er in particular is a "hitlerist"

look at your signature Eil....and yet you have not even mentioned the O/P and the dangerous anti democratic thing that it is....you tolerate such intolerance.......because it marries with your global left wing stance perhaps.....

you would soon cry if a R/W caucus advocated and pushed in the same way against criticising the (justifiable) idea that migrants should have NO state aid of any sort for 5 years after coming here. (which I understand is the aussie way ).

To deal with mass immigratiom you might want to start with those who truly benefit from it. He even tells you in the clip you posted - "Multinational Corporations".

How many LWers do you know who want to do anything for the benefit of MNCs?

He mentions Angela Merkel, the leader of the largest conservative party in Germany.

This comes from the UN btw, an organisation which is neither Right nor Left. And again, to the benefit of who? MNCs; the real power behind all governments is MNCs, meanwhile you give them free run on the world by bleating against the 'evil' Left,who tend only to want equal treatment of REAL people. The number of genuine LWers who think criticism of immigration is racist and should be illegal is pitifully small, yet you make out this is mainstream.

MNCs and their puppets in governments and the UN are NOT LW. They don't care about immigrants moving around en masse. They want cheap labour and they want it wherever and whenever they want it.

But you keep attacking the Left, who care more about free and decent healthcare and education; your MNC masters will be pleased; they won't thank you for it though Wink

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Congrats LF and everyone, you have become the pitchfork guys Rolling Eyes

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:17 am

Lord Foul wrote:what stalin and hitler both tried with the machine gun the modern left attempt with statute.....

and @ Eil/wolfie ha and the rest of the L/W loons.....

perhaps I may be less caustic of the "left in general" when "the left in general" grow up and stop associating the concept of national socialism with hitler

see until then I will continue to assume that anything left is associated and equivalent to stalinism and needs combating as vigourously as possible.

just because hitler adopted the idea of national socialism (to start with ) does not mean that I or any other R/W er in particular is a "hitlerist"

look at your signature Eil....and yet you have not even mentioned the O/P and the dangerous anti democratic thing that it is....you tolerate such intolerance.......because it marries with your global left wing stance perhaps.....

you would soon cry if a R/W caucus advocated and pushed in the same way against criticising the (justifiable) idea that migrants should have NO state aid of any sort for 5 years after coming here. (which I understand is the aussie way ).

drunken

You should now go and basement yourself for a week LF --  and have a good lie-down at the same time, for the lying load of fanciful crap you that you have posted these last couple of days, solely to attack Eilzel, myself and the few remaining "left leaning" contributors around here...

According to your latest whining snowflakish mythology responsibility for all of the world's problems can be laid at the feet of "left wing loons"  --  and as far as you and Dodge are concerned, that means anybody to the left of Margaret Thatcher..

I have seen you basement Andy, Quill and myself for less than what you yourself have been doing this week.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:54 am

*~[THE Ben Reilly]~* wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:basically eddie, the left have, over many years now acted in such a way, high handed we know whats best for you so suck it up, (a stinging example being merkels actions vis immigration.) Coupled with the lefts vicious reaction to any challenge to their policies, (you only have to look how the leftys on here react to ANY criticism of immigration for instance) that immediately condemns anyone who even say "ere ang on a mo, is that a good idea" to being a murdering nazi....

coupled with the total failure of left wing attitudes and policies on criminal matters, and compounded with L/W  sympathy for terrorists and complicity in grooming gang groups

and you know what.....people say "F**K that , I'm going to vote for the first guy that promises to deal with these things

and those who promise this are of course......far R/Wers  hence the "rise of the right" in europe atm.
I think folks instinctively know the far Right are bad....but when it comes to picking up a turd, you pick the least smelly end and go with that.......I am sick to the back teeth when islamists are free to burn our flag and insult our serving men and women, I'm sick to death of "certain groups" being protected by L/W ers in positions of power when they rape and abuse vulnerable young girls on an industrial scale and I'm sick to death of the economic hit from importing people here ...YES we need immigrant workers......trained workers...nurses and other professionals, we DO NOT need the riff raff from every god forsaken back end of the world. we are NOT (in the words of that song, which I cant find anymore due no doubt to Lefty luvvie sensitives) de santa clause to de ev'ry race

this of course is not to mention the other noxious product of the left ....the gender fluid, pansexual insult finding whineing entitled snowflake that plagues our centers of learning demanding the destruction of historical statues paintings and god knows what else.



So irritation with the left's sillier aspects has driven the voting public into the arms of wanna-be Nazis, in other words?

So we should abolish democracy, actually, because your underlying point seems to be that people are too stupid to govern themselves.


No... we should be getting rid of corrupt democratically elected politicians, who get in office, but who then do the things that the electorate don't want!!!

Which is exactly the reason why people have stopped voting for the same old lying bastards who have consistently failed to do what people want... And have started voting for others who are also sick of the way things are going, who care about the absence of democratic will being enacted, and who say that they will instead actually do what the people want!!!




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Post by Thor on Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:48 am

Eilzel wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:what stalin and hitler both tried with the machine gun the modern left attempt with statute.....

and @ Eil/wolfie ha and the rest of the L/W loons.....

perhaps I may be less caustic of the "left in general" when "the left in general" grow up and stop associating the concept of national socialism with hitler

see until then I will continue to assume that anything left is associated and equivalent to stalinism and needs combating as vigourously as possible.

just because hitler adopted the idea of national socialism (to start with ) does not mean that I or any other R/W er in particular is a "hitlerist"

look at your signature Eil....and yet you have not even mentioned the O/P and the dangerous anti democratic thing that it is....you tolerate such intolerance.......because it marries with your global left wing stance perhaps.....

you would soon cry if a R/W caucus advocated and pushed in the same way against criticising the (justifiable) idea that migrants should have NO state aid of any sort for 5 years after coming here. (which I understand is the aussie way ).

To deal with mass immigratiom you might want to start with those who truly benefit from it. He even tells you in the clip you posted - "Multinational Corporations".

How many LWers do you know who want to do anything for the benefit of MNCs?

He mentions Angela Merkel, the leader of the largest conservative party in Germany.

This comes from the UN btw, an organisation which is neither Right nor Left. And again, to the benefit of who? MNCs; the real power behind all governments is MNCs, meanwhile you give them free run on the world by bleating against the 'evil' Left,who tend only to want equal treatment of REAL people. The number of genuine LWers who think criticism of immigration is racist and should be illegal is pitifully small, yet you make out this is mainstream.

MNCs and their puppets in governments and the UN are NOT LW. They don't care about immigrants moving around en masse. They want cheap labour and they want it wherever and whenever they want it.

But you keep attacking the Left, who care more about free and decent healthcare and education; your MNC masters will be pleased; they won't thank you for it though Wink

Saw a meme once, a rebel rabble with torches and pitchforks surround a king in his castle. The king's advisor tells the king, "don't worry, you needn't fight them - just tell the pitchfork guys that the torch guys want to take their pitchforks away".

Congrats LF and everyone, you have become the pitchfork guys Rolling Eyes



Spoken like a true little brainwashed Corbynite ha ha

Merkel Conservative?

Based on what?

She has lost just about every Conservative ally, because there is nothing Conservative about her policies

See how the left engineer a lie again to pursue their warped and hateful agendas?

So you ignore the problem of mass immigration at its very core, the problems from the countries where they are leaving and instead blame this now on the rich, what a deluded silly little boy you are.

The reason they leave is down to human rights abuses, war, crime, and poverty. All of which should be tackled at this core. Yet the deluded socialists dont see the real problems, and fail to understand it has been and still is capitalism that gets people out of poverty. Socialism does not get people out of poverty, but maintains them in poverty. Or do you need another lesson in history?

You then say the left want to treat people equally?

Canada introduces a law on compelled speech and makes it a hate crime to misgender someone, based on the made up crap around gender pronouns. That is from the left.

This law around migration criticism being a hate crime is from the left and jumped upon by authoritarian natons, who think that pushing the problem onto other nations, will resolve it. When it will not.

No we are attacking those who live by identity politics, that are driving more and more people to the Far right, because they simple will not listen. Think they are morally and intellectually superior and still stupidly never learn from history, following a flawed system, that has only led to millions dying

Marxism

How about you start to learn to grow up and think for yourself and stop being a sheep to idiots like Corbyn

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:what stalin and hitler both tried with the machine gun the modern left attempt with statute.....

and @ Eil/wolfie ha and the rest of the L/W loons.....

perhaps I may be less caustic of the "left in general" when "the left in general" grow up and stop associating the concept of national socialism with hitler

see until then I will continue to assume that anything left is associated and equivalent to stalinism and needs combating as vigourously as possible.

just because hitler adopted the idea of national socialism (to start with ) does not mean that I or any other R/W er in particular is a "hitlerist"

look at your signature Eil....and yet you have not even mentioned the O/P and the dangerous anti democratic thing that it is....you tolerate such intolerance.......because it marries with your global left wing stance perhaps.....

you would soon cry if a R/W caucus advocated and pushed in the same way against criticising the (justifiable) idea that migrants should have NO state aid of any sort for 5 years after coming here. (which I understand is the aussie way ).

drunken

You should now go and basement yourself for a week LF --  and have a good lie-down at the same time, for the lying load of fanciful crap you that you have posted these last couple of days, solely to attack Eilzel, myself and the few remaining "left leaning" contributors around here...

According to your latest whining snowflakish mythology responsibility for all of the world's problems can be laid at the feet of "left wing loons"  --  and as far as you and Dodge are concerned, that means anybody to the left of Margaret Thatcher..

I have seen you basement Andy, Quill and myself for less than what you yourself have been doing this week.



And what imaginary rule do you think Lord Foul broke?

Oh here we go again, pulling out the victim card, you poor little fragile thing you

He did not lie about anything, in fact it was Eilzzel today that spouted so much crap around why there is mass migrations. Sadly Eilzel has turned into a right little brainwashed sheep these days

Well over a hundred millions deaths can be solely laid at the feet of Communism, in the 20th century

You think that his opinion warrants the basement?

Wow, you do realise it is against the rules, to try and engineer someone to be put into the basement or banned?

Best you think about that, as he did not break the rules

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Post by Eilzel on Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:17 am

Thor wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:what stalin and hitler both tried with the machine gun the modern left attempt with statute.....

and @ Eil/wolfie ha and the rest of the L/W loons.....

perhaps I may be less caustic of the "left in general" when "the left in general" grow up and stop associating the concept of national socialism with hitler

see until then I will continue to assume that anything left is associated and equivalent to stalinism and needs combating as vigourously as possible.

just because hitler adopted the idea of national socialism (to start with ) does not mean that I or any other R/W er in particular is a "hitlerist"

look at your signature Eil....and yet you have not even mentioned the O/P and the dangerous anti democratic thing that it is....you tolerate such intolerance.......because it marries with your global left wing stance perhaps.....

you would soon cry if a R/W caucus advocated and pushed in the same way against criticising the (justifiable) idea that migrants should have NO state aid of any sort for 5 years after coming here. (which I understand is the aussie way ).

To deal with mass immigratiom you might want to start with those who truly benefit from it. He even tells you in the clip you posted - "Multinational Corporations".

How many LWers do you know who want to do anything for the benefit of MNCs?

He mentions Angela Merkel, the leader of the largest conservative party in Germany.

This comes from the UN btw, an organisation which is neither Right nor Left. And again, to the benefit of who? MNCs; the real power behind all governments is MNCs, meanwhile you give them free run on the world by bleating against the 'evil' Left,who tend only to want equal treatment of REAL people. The number of genuine LWers who think criticism of immigration is racist and should be illegal is pitifully small, yet you make out this is mainstream.

MNCs and their puppets in governments and the UN are NOT LW. They don't care about immigrants moving around en masse. They want cheap labour and they want it wherever and whenever they want it.

But you keep attacking the Left, who care more about free and decent healthcare and education; your MNC masters will be pleased; they won't thank you for it though Wink

Saw a meme once, a rebel rabble with torches and pitchforks surround a king in his castle. The king's advisor tells the king, "don't worry, you needn't fight them - just tell the pitchfork guys that the torch guys want to take their pitchforks away".

Congrats LF and everyone, you have become the pitchfork guys Rolling Eyes



Spoken like a true little brainwashed Corbynite ha ha

Merkel Conservative?

Based on what?

She has lost just about every Conservative ally, because there is nothing Conservative about her policies

See how the left engineer a lie again to pursue their warped and hateful agendas?

So you ignore the problem of mass immigration at its very core, the problems from the countries where they are leaving and instead blame this now on the rich, what a deluded silly little boy you are.

The reason they leave is down to human rights abuses, war, crime, and poverty. All of which should be tackled at this core. Yet the deluded socialists dont see the real problems, and fail to understand it has been and still is capitalism that gets people out of poverty. Socialism does not get people out of poverty, but maintains them in poverty. Or do you need another lesson in history?

You then say the left want to treat people equally?

Canada introduces a law on compelled speech and makes it a hate crime to misgender someone, based on the made up crap around gender pronouns. That is from the left.

This law around migration criticism being a hate crime is from the left and jumped upon by authoritarian natons, who think that pushing the problem onto other nations, will resolve it. When it will not.

No we are attacking those who live by identity politics, that are driving more and more people to the Far right, because they simple will not listen. Think they are morally and intellectually superior and still stupidly never learn from history, following a flawed system, that has only led to millions dying

Marxism

How about you start to learn to grow up and think for yourself and stop being a sheep to idiots like Corbyn

You ready to cut those strings yet, puppet?

You honestly think 'The Left', who generally care about things like affordable healthcare and education and worker's rights, are the ones AT THE TOP trying to do things to allow greater movements of people without criticism?

Ask yourself WHO BENEFITS MOST from all this?

But you won't. Because you've allowed yourself to become a puppet. Keep watching your youtube videos about fringe problems didge. Let the world burn around you Rolling Eyes

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