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Post by Original Quill on Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:35 pm

Donald Trump, while campaigning for the office of president, repeatedly promised the American people that he had no business transactions with Russia.  Now, as it turns out, that was a lie.

In a plea deal in which he pleaded guilty of testifying falsely before Congress, Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, admitted that it was a lie.  Cohen admits he was negotiating for a Trump Tower in Moscow as late as June 2016.  This, less than a month before the infamous July 9th (2016) meeting, in which Donald Trump Jr. entered into a conspiracy pursuant a Russian offer to meddle in the US election.

This, then, no doubt explains why Trump has been so solicitous toward Vladimir Putin and the Russian Federation during the campaign and later.  He was promising to sell out the United States, pledging more favorable policy toward Russia, in return for a better deal with Russia on the real estate deal.  In particular, this would explain why, immediately upon taking over, Trump people went to work to lift US sanctions on Russia for the latter's moves on Ukraine.

NPR wrote:Cohen Admits Trump Tower-Moscow Talks Continued Well Into 2016 Campaign

November 29, 201811:05 AM ET
PHILIP EWING

Donald Trump and his aides continued negotiations about a potential Trump Tower project in Moscow well into the 2016 presidential campaign, his ex-lawyer Michael Cohen acknowledged in a guilty plea in federal court on Thursday.

Cohen admitted that he lied to Congress last year when he said those discussions had ended in January of 2016 and that his overtures to the Russian government went unrequited.

In fact, the talks continued through June, and Cohen did hear back from one of Russian President Vladimir Putin's top aides, spokesman Dmitry Peskov, according to court documents.

Trump told reporters at the White House on Thursday that Cohen is lying — but that even if he weren't lying, the president said he hadn't broken any law.

"There would be nothing wrong if I did do it," he said.

Trump said he'd ultimately decided not to pursue a real estate project in Russia but it isn't clear precisely how discussions ended over the notional Trump Tower in Moscow.

What the new information means

The new timeline established by Cohen's plea means that the Trump camp's talks with Russians and the Russian government were ongoing when Trump became the GOP front-runner and not long before he formally became the party's nominee.

People described in the court papers, including Cohen, even discussed when to schedule potential trips to Russia as part of their negotiations as they planned for the Republican National Convention in Cleveland.

The GOP adopted a platform at that convention that softened the party's official view on support for Ukraine, which Russia had invaded in 2014. It isn't clear whether there's any link between Russians, American political figures and that change in the platform, although that has long been a subject of speculation.

Cohen's acknowledgement on Thursday also means that the negotiations with Russians were taking place the same month as the much-discussed meeting in New York City at which the president's top campaign aides hosted a Russian delegation that offered dirt on Hillary Clinton.

Trump and his son, Donald Trump Jr., have admitted the campaign leaders went into the meeting expecting material that would be useful against their opponent but said that is common practice in politics and that nothing came from it.

According to accounts from people in the meeting given to Congress and elsewhere, the Russians provided a tip about people they said were improperly funneling money to the Democratic National Committee.

Trump Jr. has said he did not take any action based on that tip.

The question about what Trump knew about that meeting specifically and generally about Russia's wave of active measures against the U.S. is at the heart of the investigation being run by Justice Department special counsel Robert Mueller.

Mueller is trying to determine whether anyone on Trump's campaign conspired with the Russians who interfered with the election using cyber-attacks, the dumping of stolen data, agitation on social media and other techniques.

Trump has denied publicly he had any knowledge at the time and he said as much in written answers recently to Mueller's office, according to reports on Wednesday.

Critics fear pressure on Mueller

Trump's opponents faulted what they called the deepening air of criminality around the president's sometime associates, several of whom have pleaded guilty in the Russia case or associated investigations.

"This is yet another example of the President's closest allies lying about their contacts with Russia. With each indictment and each guilty plea, we learn more about the president's connections to Russia in the midst of Russia's efforts to interfere in the 2016 election," said Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, the top Democrat on the Senate intelligence committee.

Warner's committee was one of the two to which Cohen gave statements that his guilty plea now admits were lies. Warner and other Democrats say the prospect of increasing pressure from Mueller's office means the Senate must pass legislation that would protect him from being pressured or fired by the president.

"Special counsel Mueller's investigation must continue — free from political interference by the president — until the truth is out, and Congress should pass legislation immediately to make sure that happens," Warner said.

The other committee to which Cohen has now admitted lying was the House intelligence panel — its incoming chairman, California Rep. Adam Schiff, said on Thursday that the plea shows how important it will be to launch new investigations in 2019.

"These false statements regarding the continued pursuit of a Moscow Trump Tower deal during much of the presidential campaign only underscore the importance of a thorough investigation into any financial entanglement between Trump and Russia," he said.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:37 pm

Among other things, this verifies the Steele Dossier...which has been confirmed repeatedly, all along. What else is true? Golden showers on Trump and his wife?

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Post by Victorismyhero on Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:44 pm

what are the implications for this Quill, I suppose there could be a motion for impeachment, but supposing that fails...could (for instance )the supreme court file some sort of charge and force his removal? who whould actually file the charge, could any citizen do it? etc etc etc?

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:13 pm

Lord Foul wrote:what are the implications for this Quill, I suppose there could be a motion for impeachment, but supposing that fails...could (for instance )the supreme court file some sort of charge and force his removal? who whould actually file the charge, could any citizen do it? etc etc etc?

I'm afraid a Bill of Impeachment is the only remedy.  Until a president is removed from office, he has all his powers intact: unindictability (arguable--can one pardon himself?), appointment; termination; pardon of others; military commander-in-chief; and executive orders.  Once a president is removed, he loses all powers and he can be indictable.

The people around a president are always indictable, however they can be protected by the pardon power.  Again, you see, as long as the president is president is the condition precedent for his powers.

Always looming in the background is the possibility of a state court action.  States are independent nations, in effect, and can bring charges in their own jurisdiction.  As long as a state court says it is acting under state law, the feds can't overturn it (unless the Constitution is brought into play).

Both the president and all individuals are vulnerable to state court action.  There is no double jeopardy between state jurisdiction and federal jurisdiction, so even when an individual is convicted in federal court, and then pardoned by the president, still, charges may be brought in state court.  There is almost always a parallel state law to any federal law…especially tax laws.

Almost all states are poised to bring charges against this president.  He is an organized crime figure, right out of the Russian system.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:46 pm

I think we're stuck with Trump for two more years. The Republican Party is too spineless to spite its own constituents, who have become the cult of Trump. We would need them to see the light and do the right thing - not happening.

2020 is going to be a bloodbath for Republicans. That election will probably cripple the party.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:28 pm

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:I think we're stuck with Trump for two more years. The Republican Party is too spineless to spite its own constituents, who have become the cult of Trump. We would need them to see the light and do the right thing - not happening.

2020 is going to be a bloodbath for Republicans. That election will probably cripple the party.

I must beg to differ on your premise that Trump will finish the term.  It's coming to a head...either impeachment or shut down the government through the budgetary process.  If Trump is left in office, he maintains all of his powers (above).  His use of his powers is eventually going to collide with the Constitution and laws, and then the government will be damned if it follows (illegal) orders, and damned if it doesn’t (disobeys orders).  

It's a state of total disequilibrium.   In addition, in short order Trump will reach a point at which he cannot allow Mueller to go on.  Facts are coming out that show he is an organized crime figure, and it is crippling him.  The president must fire Mueller.

Trump has appointed an Attorney General, Matthew Whitaker, that no one will listen to or obey because his appointment in unconstitutional (no Senate confirmation).  So, he sits in his office and collects a pay check, no more.  The Justice Department just goes on issuing subpoenas, indictments, pleas, etc., going thru the Deputy AG, ignoring Whitaker.  Trump is more powerless there than he was with Sessions.

Trump, in his campaign against the ‘deep state’, is in reality destabilizing institutions.  Those institutions are underlain, not by a deep state, but by the Constitution.  So, in return the institutions are locking Trump out--insulating themselves.  They can do this because many, if not most actions by Trump are unconstitutional (like appointment of Whitaker).  They would be participating in an illegal and unconstitutional act by following the command of the president.  They don't argue to the President, or say anything to anyone, they just lock him out.  They silently ignore him.  See,  Robt. Woodward, Fear (2018).

So you see, even if the Articles of Impeachment are never voted, something is going to happen to create a catastrophe.  An constitutional crisis is inevitable.

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