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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:16 pm

Yeah, Trump is one hell of a leader all right. I'm frankly tired of all the winning:

The 5,800 troops who were rushed to the southwest border amid Failing Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon’s pre-election warnings about a refugee caravan will start coming home as early as this week — just as some of those migrants are beginning to arrive.

Democrats and Republicans have criticized the deployment as a ploy by the president to use active-duty military forces as a prop to try to stem Republican losses in this month’s midterm elections.

The general overseeing the deployment told POLITICO on Monday that the first troops will start heading home in the coming days as some are already unneeded, having completed the missions for which they were sent. The returning service members include engineering and logistics units whose jobs included placing concertina wire and other barriers to limit access to ports of entry at the U.S.-Mexico border.

All the troops should be home by Christmas, as originally expected, Army Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Buchanan said in an interview Monday.

"Our end date right now is 15 December, and I've got no indications from anybody that we'll go beyond that," said Buchanan, who leads the land forces of U.S. Northern Command.

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On Tuesday, Buchanan’s command appeared to backpedal on his statement after critics of the deployment called the decision to wind it down so soon new evidence it was unnecessary in the first place.

U.S. Army North issued a brief statement insisting that “no specific timeline for redeployment has been determined.”

The plan to begin pulling back came just weeks after Trump ordered the highly unusual deployment.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/19/troops-us-mexico-border-come-home-1005510

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Post by nicko on Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:56 am

$200 million ? it'll cost a lot more than that if they all get in !
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nicko wrote:  $200 million ?  it'll cost a lot more than that if they all get in !

"Get in?"

They're coming to apply for asylum.

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nicko wrote:  $200 million ?  it'll cost a lot more than that if they all get in !

Nonsense.  Under current economic conditions, America is screaming for workers to fill our overabundance of jobs.  A fully employed worker pays taxes, contributes to retirement funds, fills the coffers of social security, buys goods and services, and raises children who go on to become leaders of the nation.  They do exactly what prior immigrants have done, including English, Dutch, Swedes, Irish, Germans, French and Italians.  Why do you accept white Europeans, yet lie about Hispanics, nicko?

Moreover, America has always been a humanitarian haven for the downtrodden and disenfranchised.  The people of these caravans, predominately women and children, are fleeing horrendous conditions of abuse, slavery and murder in their homelands.  They are seeking mercy and asylum, which we have in abundance.  That is America's unique gift to the world, and America's purpose.  America's mission is imprinted on a plaque beneath the Statute of Liberty:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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Post by nicko on Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:11 pm

So they are all Doctors, Nurses, Teachers and highly qualified people ?
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nicko wrote:So they are all Doctors, Nurses,  Teachers and highly qualified people ?

Better yet...they are normal, every-day people. You know your nation has made it when you find that it is populated, not with kings and princes, but with ordinary people, who do the ordinary work.

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nicko wrote:So they are all Doctors, Nurses,  Teachers and highly qualified people ?

Better yet...they are normal, every-day people.  You know your nation has made it when you find that it is populated, not with kings and princes, but with ordinary people, who do the ordinary work.

I’m sure you didn’t intend to, but you come across as very weirdly against people who work as doctors and nurses and teachers.
Aren’t they “ordinary people doing ordinary work”?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:39 pm

nicko wrote:  $200 million ?  it'll cost a lot more than that if they all get in !


Interestingly... a report on the effects of loads of low skilled workers coming into the UK from elsewhere, shows that they are each an overall cost to taxpayers of about £3500 a year, rather than net contributors to the UK tax system...


"...Chair of Economists for Free Trade (EFT), Mr Minford stated the UK is in fact shelling out for unskilled migrants in the country through benefits such as HMRC tax credits and the NHS. 

Research from the EFT showed low-skilled workers from the EU coming to the UK cost the taxpayer £3,500 each per year - amounting to a staggering £3.5 billion a year..."


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/771745/economist-migrants-workers-economy-UK-cost-unskilled-labour-force-Brexit


https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/768349/Brexit-migration-unskilled-immigrants-cost-UK-visa-economists/amp



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"...We show that under the UK’s welfare system an unskilled migrant worker on the minimum wage costs the taxpayer in the region of between £57 (for a single person) and £29000 a year (for a worker with a family)..."

https://www.economistsforfreetrade.com/the-economics-of-unskilled-immigration/





And RE the OP...


These people are not refugees at all... they have no basis for any such claim in the USA!

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Post by nicko on Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:42 pm

How many can you house, and feed ?
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If they are not genuine asylum seekers I'm sure they will be rejected. (Actually I'm sure they'll be rejected no matter what...)

You can't compare the cost to the UK to the cost to the U.S. because we don't have the benefit system you have. Texas offers very few support benefits and as a result, illegal immigrants are a positive contribution to our economy here.

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nicko wrote:How many can you house, and feed ?

Then you must think Trump is a lefty migrant lover.

After all, he is withdrawing troops before the caravan even arrives.

Why do you think he did that?

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Post by nicko on Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:38 pm

I don't know, but he may regret it !
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nicko wrote:I don't know, but he may regret it !

I'll explain it for you, nicko.

Trump has disgusted so many people even in his own party that he was facing the possibility that his own supporters wouldn't turn out to vote earlier this month.

So he found an issue, a "caravan" of about 3500-4000 unarmed migrant men, women and children and turned them into a hellish army marching toward America, bent on bankrupting our country, illegally voting, raping and pillaging, committing acts of terrorism, etc. (He basically said all these things; I can back them up).

To underscore how "dangerous" these asylum seekers supposedly are, he sent nearly 7,000 troops to the southern border, spending $200 million to do so.

It was an election stunt and nothing more. Even more principled members of his own party said so.

There's zero threat from these people. They're coming to request asylum from war-torn countries, just as people do every day.

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Zero threat,? they are already stealing and using violence in Ti-awana, [how ever you spell it], and when they find that they can't all "invade the USA, and are stuck in camps, watch what happens !
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nicko wrote:Zero threat,?  they are already stealing and using violence in Ti-awana,  [how ever you spell it], and when they find that they can't all "invade the USA,   and are stuck in camps, watch what happens !

Seriously, you think a little pushing and shoving in Tijuana spells any threat whatsoever to the United States?

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nicko wrote:Zero threat,?  they are already stealing and using violence in Ti-awana,  [how ever you spell it], and when they find that they can't all "invade the USA,   and are stuck in camps, watch what happens !

Tijuana is a big city [it means aunt (tia) Joan or Joanna (juana), only they have shortened/dropped the 'a' in tia--just like French]. The migrants will be absorbed, as has happened in earlier cities along the march.  No violence or crime has occurred there or elsewhere.  These are peaceful people, mostly women and children, who want to escape the violence and war in their home nations.

A United States Federal judge this week has ordered that Trump may not stop them from appearing at the border, and asking for asylum.

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Better yet...they are normal, every-day people.  You know your nation has made it when you find that it is populated, not with kings and princes, but with ordinary people, who do the ordinary work.

I’m sure you didn’t intend to, but you come across as very weirdly against people who work as doctors and nurses and teachers.
Aren’t they “ordinary people doing ordinary work”?

Against doctors?? My father was a medical doctor. I have two doctorate degrees myself (doctor of laws and PhD), my oldest daughter has a doctor of laws, and my youngest daughter is a medical doctor. I couldn't be more blessed.

But blessed also is the country that needs not be filled with such baubles and beads. That is a fuller and richer society.

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There's 10 thousand there now, and thousands more on the way. Who is going to feed and house them ?
When they find they can't get in, watch the violence start !
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nicko wrote:There's 10 thousand there now,  and thousands more on the way.    Who is going to feed and house them ?
When they find they can't get in, watch the violence start !

Tijuana is larger than San Diego, second largest city on the west coast of the United States.  It is the largest city in the Mexican state of Baja California Norte, and the largest city on the entire Baja California peninsula.  Currently one of the fastest growing metropolitan areas in Mexico, Tijuana maintains global city status.  As of 2015, the city of Tijuana had a population of 1,641,570.

Tijuana will do quite nicely, tyvm. In the US, the Federal Courts will see to it that the asylum process goes equally nicely.

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You hope.
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nicko wrote:You hope.

I have more faith than Tegucigalpa. Laughing

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Who the f--k is that ?
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Tegucigalpa is the capital city of Honduras.  When President Reagan started the war in Nicaragua he set in motion a lawlessness in Central American nations that has now reached epidemic proportions.  It's like...imagine one of these wild fires in the southwest, only it has spread across all nations in the Central American isthmus.

Just another Republican experiment.

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*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:If they are not genuine asylum seekers I'm sure they will be rejected. (Actually I'm sure they'll be rejected no matter what...)

You can't compare the cost to the UK to the cost to the U.S. because we don't have the benefit system you have. Texas offers very few support benefits and as a result, illegal immigrants are a positive contribution to our economy here.


Of course they are not genuine asylum seekers...


If they were, then they would have already claimed asylum elsewhere... not travelled past and through other safe countries without making their claims...



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Tommy Monk wrote:Of course they are not genuine asylum seekers...

If they were, then they would have already claimed asylum elsewhere... not travelled past and through other safe countries without making their claims...

Simply not true.  All the countries they pass through are just the same...broken down, no safety and no place to settle down.  Drug gangs and corrupt governments.

Central America right now is crap. Mexico is a big country and does offer some safe haven. But it, too, is corrupt.

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Tommy Monk wrote:Of course they are not genuine asylum seekers...

If they were, then they would have already claimed asylum elsewhere... not travelled past and through other safe countries without making their claims...

Simply not true.  All the countries they pass through are just the same...broken down, no safety and no place to settle down.  Drug gangs and corrupt governments.

Central America right now is crap.  Mexico is a big country and does offer some safe haven.  But it, too, is corrupt.

Mexico is better, for sure, and thank goodness because that's their best option what with President Taco Salad at the helm.

Hey Tommy, I was wondering where you got that info that they're going through safe countries. Quizas desde tu culo? Jajajajajaja

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:37 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:If they are not genuine asylum seekers I'm sure they will be rejected. (Actually I'm sure they'll be rejected no matter what...)

You can't compare the cost to the UK to the cost to the U.S. because we don't have the benefit system you have. Texas offers very few support benefits and as a result, illegal immigrants are a positive contribution to our economy here.


Of course they are not genuine asylum seekers...


If they were, then they would have already claimed asylum elsewhere... not travelled past and through other safe countries without making their claims...


Fuck Me talk about deluded 

Yes Tommy and tooth Fairy Will come with Easter bunny

Go Get a dose of Realty Dickhead, 
You think some pennyless 3rd world nation Should do it, when UK struggles to do it for the Minuscule amount that reach it?
Your Fucking Beyond Stupid.
If Your attitude is that of the UK, then the UK should be considered 'Terra Nullis' and up for whoever wants it.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:36 am



Their country of origin is safe enough for all the other civilised people who live there...



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Post by nicko on Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:25 am

Veya, having a go at England AGAIN, what the fucks wrong with you ? 35 years old and doesn't have a fucking clue !
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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:34 pm

If you're not a lefty in your 20's then you have no heart... if you're still a lefty in your 30's then you have no brain...

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:53 pm

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Their country of origin is safe enough for all the other civilised people who live there...

In many cases, they are the last civilized people...moving on. These are people who have received direct threats from gangs, corrupt government officials and prostitution rings. In order to escape with a son who is being recruited into a gang, a daughter being recruited into a prostitution ring, or a corrupt official who uses his powers to harass people...they take to the road.

True, others stay behind, but they usually are not so vulnerable, or have protections of their own. It is real.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:54 pm



Yeah...?

So some of them might try to claim...

But there is already a law enforcement and legal system there to deal with such issues, full of police officers, lawyers, courts and judges...

And there's nothing stopping any of them moving to a different part of their home city/town, or even to different part of their country to avoid any local issues they might be facing from any of tiny minority of local criminals...

None of what you say gives any justification for what they are doing... And no legitimate claim for asylum in USA...!

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:04 pm



Also... what about the people in the USA who are facing the same problems there that you claim the "caravan" people are saying they are trying to get away from...?


What country do these USA victims start trying to march into to make their asylum claims...!?



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Post by Original Quill on Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:32 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:But there is already a law enforcement and legal system there to deal with such issues, full of police officers, lawyers, courts and judges...

All either too weak, or too corrupt. Tommy, you are just figuring out ways to say it isn't there. It is there, and it's causing people to flee.

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Tommy Monk wrote:

Also... what about the people in the USA who are facing the same problems there that you claim the "caravan" people are saying they are trying to get away from...?

What country do these USA victims start trying to march into to make their asylum claims...!?

Trump is the person who would introduce such corruption into the US.  Charlottesville was a strong hint that is the life he wants.  We are fixing that...we have just had our first post-Trump election, and the results were that Trump lost everywhere.  Democrats have had the biggest mid-term election gains since Nixon and Watergate.

The American ship will be righted...and soon.  When it is those huddled masses, yearning to breathe free, will soon have the safe haven they were promised.  Perhaps they might even visit Donald and his family...in Danbury Prison.   Wink

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:49 am

Trump trump trump blah blah blah I have no argument, I'm a moron....

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Tommy Monk wrote:Trump trump trump blah blah blah I have no argument, I'm a moron....

That's about the size of it. Twisted Evil

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I'm glad you admit how ridiculous you sound with your bleating about trump...

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Tommy Monk wrote:I'm glad you admit how ridiculous you sound with your bleating about trump...

Trump is an organized crime figure. You guys need to be taken to school. It's a new world for you.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:47 am

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Trump trump trump blah blah blah I have no argument, I'm a moron....

Razz

Never a truer word spoken,  Tommykins...

Admitting to yourself that you have attitude problems is the first step towards addressing those problems; and maybe one day growing to be a better person..

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