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Post by HoratioTarr on Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:31 am

We all know it’s irritating, unsightly and unhygienic, but one case of dog fouling has been logged by police as a racist hate crime.

The incident is among numerous alleged hate crimes uncovered by The Mail on Sunday that critics say are so petty they are undeserving of police time and expense.

Further examples in a list of more than 2,500 alleged ‘hate incidents’ logged by the Metropolitan Police in 2015 and 2016 include:

An envelope that had been opened and resealed;
An accident involving a car that bore a Remembrance poppy;
A disputed line call in a tennis match;
A dead rat found in a garden;
And a man telling library staff he was campaigning for Brexit.

Just one of 2,500 cases investigated in 2 years:
CANINE CLASH

A ‘victim’ complained to police that an unknown dog had fouled an area outside their home and they believed this was a racially motivated incident.

ALL EARS

A woman put her ear up to her neighbours’ door and heard them talking about trying to get her moved out, which she reported as a race-hate crime.

POPPYCOCK?

One woman said she felt she had been a victim of hate crime after someone reversed into her car because she was displaying a poppy on the front of it.

HATE MAIL

Another complainant claimed racial abuse because a letter addressed to him had been opened and resealed before he collected it from the Post Office.

Several of the claims were over parking disputes or car crashes. One entry says: ‘Unknown suspect has reversed into victim’s car causing extensive damage. Victim perceives to be a hate crime as she had a poppy in front of her car.’

Another man claimed that his neighbours were parking only outside his house and were ‘targeting him due to him being black’. Disputes between neighbours feature prominently. One entry says: ‘Victim on hearing her neighbours in their house has put her ear up to their door to hear what they are talking about. In a conversation they have referred to her as [redacted] and made remarks of trying to get her moved out.’

Another reads: ‘Witness has had parking issues with her next-door neighbour, their children apparently throw stones and balls over the garden fence. Witness has recently found a dead rat in garden and perceives this to be racist.’

On another occasion, a resident in a block of flats reported that a neighbour was racially abusing them by ‘smoking heavily’.

Meanwhile, an angry father called police after his daughter lost a tennis match to complain the defeat was due to a racist umpire. ‘Informant feels his daughter was subjected to racial discrimination at a tennis match where line calls went against her,’ the incident log reads.

Other arguments involved unhappy customers in shops, pubs and on public transport.

They include one person who felt a bus driver had given them a ‘racist look’ and a woman thrown out of a pub for being ‘drunk, aggressive and erratic’ who told police she had been targeted ‘because she is Polish’.

In a separate complaint, a pupil struggling in a swimming lesson reported his teacher for ‘faith-based abuse’ for speaking to him in an ‘abrupt manner’.

Current rules mean police have to record any allegation described as motivated by prejudice as a hate incident, even if it is insufficiently serious to be regarded as a crime.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6401779/The-DOG-accused-hate-crime-fouling-outside-home-just-one-2-500-cases-probed.html
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Post by HoratioTarr on Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:22 am

I'm thinking of throwing a mega tantie if no one replies to this thread!
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Re: Hate crimes - How much is too far?

Post by gelico on Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:31 am





hahahaha

well some police dude said recently about this

case in hand was some elderly lady ''pillar of the community'' never committed any crime etc who got reported for a hate crime because she tooted her horn at someone in the petrol garage who was taking ages.

said recipient of tooting just happened to be black and reported the tooter for a hate crime.

as the copper said, this was devastating to the tooter because this is now on a permanent record despite no action being taken

i would abolish ridiculous hate crime laws for this very reason


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Post by HoratioTarr on Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:33 am

gelico wrote:



hahahaha

well some police dude said recently about this

case in hand was some elderly lady ''pillar of the community'' never committed any crime etc who got reported for a hate crime because she tooted her horn at someone in the petrol garage who was taking ages.

said recipient of tooting just happened to be black and reported the tooter for a hate crime.

as the copper said, this was devastating to the tooter because this is now on a permanent record despite no action being taken

i would abolish ridiculous hate crime laws for this very reason


I remember reading in Medieval times that they would often burn animals alive for being witches. It's getting like that now. Same silly mindset.

Our dog did a big shit right outside the local mosque the other day. Thank God I had a doggie bag!!!
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Post by gelico on Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:34 am

HoratioTarr wrote:
gelico wrote:



hahahaha

well some police dude said recently about this

case in hand was some elderly lady ''pillar of the community'' never committed any crime etc who got reported for a hate crime because she tooted her horn at someone in the petrol garage who was taking ages.

said recipient of tooting just happened to be black and reported the tooter for a hate crime.

as the copper said, this was devastating to the tooter because this is now on a permanent record despite no action being taken

i would abolish ridiculous hate crime laws for this very reason


I remember reading in Medieval times that they would often burn animals alive for being witches.   It's getting like that now.  Same silly mindset.  

Our dog did a big shit right outside the local mosque the other day.   Thank God I had a doggie bag!!!



ffs! i just nearly choked


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Post by Lord Foul on Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:40 am

Surely the point is a hate crime is a CRIME, where a protected characteristic is used as a motive/agravating factor

as in the woman tooting at the coloured chap...where was the "crime"????


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Re: Hate crimes - How much is too far?

Post by HoratioTarr on Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:49 am

gelico wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

I remember reading in Medieval times that they would often burn animals alive for being witches.   It's getting like that now.  Same silly mindset.  

Our dog did a big shit right outside the local mosque the other day.   Thank God I had a doggie bag!!!


ffs! i just nearly choked


I was mortified. It was a biggun too. I was torn between shouting out "For Fuck's Sake, Loki, why here?" and "Allahu Akbar!!"
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Post by gelico on Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:52 am

HoratioTarr wrote:
gelico wrote:


ffs! i just nearly choked


I was mortified.  It was a biggun too.  I was torn between shouting out "For Fuck's Sake, Loki, why here?"  and "Allahu Akbar!!"

OMG! that's finished me




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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:50 am

Do I really want to move to this country?

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Post by HoratioTarr on Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:38 am

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:Do I really want to move to this country?

I'm a terrorist, me. Be thankful I don't use the five point palm exploding heart technique on the lot of you!
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Re: Hate crimes - How much is too far?

Post by Syl on Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:00 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
gelico wrote:


ffs! i just nearly choked


I was mortified.  It was a biggun too.  I was torn between shouting out "For Fuck's Sake, Loki, why here?"  and "Allahu Akbar!!"

lol! lol! lol!

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Post by Jules on Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:35 pm

OP, some people over react. The petty reasons people ring emergency numbers for, are well documented. They will call 999 or 111 to bother the police or their doctor with all sorts of trifling -or even absurd- reasons.
Here's an example : https://pressfrom.info/uk/news/uk-news/-272573-woman-called-999-to-complain-about-mushrooms-on-pizza.html

That's just how it is. Reporting so called hate crimes - provides people with yet another thing to make a fuss over .  Smile

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Post by Jules on Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:55 pm

gelico wrote:
i would abolish ridiculous hate crime laws for this very reason


Steady on. Just because a fringe element over reacts or abuses the complaints system does not mean the reasonable people should suffer. Disabled, lgbt, ethnic and religious groups DO suffer hate crimes and should not be deprived of the vital lifeline to complain when attacked. You are using a blunt weapon to solve a problem. Inappropriate and lacking in perspective.  Better education and better awareness on all sides would be the solution here.

Who are you to decide  to ''abolish'' anything, when you know nothing about their experiences and you 'have not walked a mile in their shoes', gelico? >
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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:29 pm

meh 
Even with these Faults it's still better than Before 

overall hate crime laws have made Massive improvements 
these minor things are insignificant compared to the REAL suffering they prevented.

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Post by Syl on Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:27 pm

Police have said they are going to concentrate less on so called hate crimes and concentrate more on 'real' crimes.

They should be investigated IF they have any foundation.
There will always be some idiots that abuse the system just as there will always be some idiots who abuse the NHS services, depriving genuine people with real needs attention and care.

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:58 am

A hate crime is a real crime.

The only thing that makes a hate crime different from other crime is that it's intended to terrorize a community (gays, blacks, Muslims, etc.).

Governments consider that worse than a typical assault, mugging, whatever, and for good reason.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:00 am

In the US it is usually only a sentencing enhancement.

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Post by Thor on Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:08 am

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:A hate crime is a real crime.

The only thing that makes a hate crime different from other crime is that it's intended to terrorize a community (gays, blacks, Muslims, etc.).

Governments consider that worse than a typical assault, mugging, whatever, and for good reason.

And Jews



timesofisrael.com/man-arrested-in-ny-for-harassing-jewish-car-owner-with-heil-hitler-salute/

ANTI-BLACK AND ANTI-SEMITIC ATTACKS TOP THE FBI'S 2017 RECORDS FOR HATE CRIMES

psmag.com/news/anti-black-and-anti-semitic-attacks-top-the-fbis-2017-records-for-hate-crimes

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:11 am

Of course Jews, along with Hispanics, Asians, women in some cases, trans people, atheists, Christians in some countries, etc.

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Post by Thor on Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:12 am

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:Of course Jews, along with Hispanics, Asians, women in some cases, trans people, atheists, Christians in some countries, etc.

Well the top two are Blacks and Jews

You also forgot white people suffering hate crimes

Eighteen percent of race-based hate crimes reported to the FBI last year were anti-white

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:16 am



Wearing a Princeton University jacket? That's a real wannabe.

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