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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:30 am

'Any government which makes it harder to manufacture cars is making it harder for us to continue to be a first world economy because without cars, without steel, without aluminium, without cement, we don't have these manufacturers in Australia, we are not really a sophisticated economy any more.''

These thoughtful words, taken from the Liberal Party website, were uttered by none other than Tony Abbott after one of his fancy dress tours of the Ford production line at Geelong in 2011.

My, how things change. In his few short months in government, Abbott has seen off the entire Australian car making industry, with the loss of who knows how many tens of thousands of jobs and an even chance of plunging Victoria and South Australia into at least a local recession. There goes his sophisticated economy. It's a unique achievement, unmatched by any incoming government.

Given that the usual claque of chattering economists is now saying that this was inevitable - they'd all foreseen it years ago, etc, and no bad thing, blah blah - you'd think this is something Abbott might have touched on during the election campaign. But no, not a hint. You might also think that he and his Industry Minister, Ian ''Chainsaw'' Macfarlane, would have had some policy or plan in place for dealing with this tectonic shift.

No to that, too. They haven't a clue. As so often happens, the best the Prime Minister could do was to heap platitude upon banality. The Toyota workers would go ''from good jobs to better jobs'', he intoned glibly, as if that would fix everything. Chainsaw blathered on about creating ''a framework''.

When in doubt, blame the trade unions. This is a habit so deeply ingrained in the Liberal DNA that facts are irrelevant. Abbott first tried it on after the troubles at SPC Ardmona, making such extravagant claims about the supposedly feather bed working conditions at its factory in Shepparton that the local MP, Sharman Stone, one of his own backbenchers, publicly called him a liar. You don't see that happen a lot with prime ministers.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tony-abbott-opposition-leader-bites-tony-abbott-pm-20140214-32r1i.html

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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:48 am

Tony did the blame everyone and everything, claim everything is terrible routine the whole time in opposition a lot of it is going to come back and to bite him on the arse.

We need to move that money to desalination and better piping so we can move water around the country better, every year we have floods somewhere and drought somewhere else. Also massive investment in Solar power, transferring energy from the central deserts (perfect place for solar power) to the coast, allowing us to power the desalination and everything else.

Some one said jokingly that we should have transferred the funds from the car industry and invested it in making tim tams (biscuits) BUT in reality we would then be producing a higher quality cheaper biscuit than anyone else in the world, with an aggressive advertising campaign in Asia it would generate more income/jobs for the nation than the car industry has.  Neutral Neutral Neutral  taxpayers have given them like $30 billion over the past 5 years. Money that could have been better invested.

I disagree with the concerns Tony previously expressed, it is too late now we may as well completely embrace globalisation, become specialists and everyone needs to eat so greater agriculture and food processing is the way for Australia to go as we have infinite demand on our door step from the huge populations of Asia.

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Post by Beekeeper on Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:09 am

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DESALINATION is expensive, inefficient and ineffectual ~ and a great polluter in it's own right ! Creating huge ocean "deserts" nearby where they pump out millions of litres of highly concentrated brine every year (Just consider most of the Middle east - starting with Israel..).

Australia has four public supply desal' plants already = 2 operating and 2 "mothballed", plus another two were cancelled before construction commenced.   Plus several on a smaller scale connected to factory and military installations..

PIPING water out and about all over, and flooding dry areas to try and increase production ==> that would certainly stuff up the Aussie environment for good, much quicker than any of mankind's previous efforts have managed so far !   cyclops 

The best and most effective immediate 'first step' initiative for water conservation will be to cover existing irrigation channels, and replace a lot of open channels, canals and artificial waterways with heavy duty plastic pipes (around 1.2 -> 1.8 metres dia.) ~ as around 40-60% of water being transferred over any distance is lost to evaporation, leakage and contamination each year..  

POWER GENERATION ~ electricity cannot be moved 'efficiently' over grand distances == once you get past 640km/400 miles from a power station, you will have lost 50% of your power !

THAT'S why you have a network of transmission grids, multiple power stations, substations and transformers to move power around within country ~ the cost of establishing a wide-area "grid" to bring that power out from a "solar farm" in central Oz would probably match the 'National Broadband Network' for spending.. (I still remain a big supporter of "Green Energy" sources..).  sunny

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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:20 pm

@bee
except previous cattle grazing areas are now arid. we cut down too many trees, plus climate change causing even less rainfall in places like inland Queensland. Where possible we would move fresh water but having a system with desalination plants in it would allow greater water security in the years of national drought.

At power loss SO, make more panels we are in a position of being able to supply our needs many times over. PLUS as I have always endorsed we should be making a large inland city in one of the areas too arid to farm. Running the solar farms would create the Jobs and you could always charge less for electricity to industries that move closer to the solar farms (this would help to grow and pay for the inland city)

I know it would match the NBN in cost.
the NBN at 30 billion dollars it is the SAME as we spent on the Car indusrty over 5 years with NOTHING to show for it. The Point is we Literally have thrown 30 billoin dollars away, good money gone after bad. In Hindsight there it is hard to see how we could have blown so much money with so little to show for it so quickly.

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Post by Beekeeper on Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:33 am

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@bee
except previous cattle grazing areas are now arid. we cut down too many trees, plus climate change causing even less rainfall in places like inland Queensland. Where possible we would move fresh water but having a system with desalination plants in it would allow greater water security in the years of national drought.  


Arrow   Problems with old farming practices stuffing up many of our agricultural areas go back a long way ~ including such prominent examples as :

* farming families who simply carried on doing things "the way dad and granddad did it before them"; with their excessive clearing, high fertile stage, and over-stocking;

* "soldier settler schemes" after the 1st WW dumped thousands of uneducated, untrained and ill-prepared returned servicemen onto too-small farms located in the wrong areas ~ with "orders" to clear the maximum of trees with no reference to departments of Ag' or other gov't dept's (all locked out - with no say in what the Ruling Tory party, an infant Veterans Affairs, and the Army had cooked up between themselves as a mammoth P/R exercise to deal with excessive unemployed soldiers).  AND, as in the USA's much grander kindred misadventure, that fiasco created the "dust bowls" of the 1920s;

* More recently, there has been increasing problems with Big business/Investment funds/Accountants,  doctors and lawyers ~ who are only focussed on maximising profits, at the expense of the environment and other locals and neighbouring farmers. Good examples of this can be seen with cotton farms in southern Qld. and with some failed heavily-irrigated properties in northern W.A; and with the widespread introduction of GMO crops into many traditional cropping areas ...

~ these problems are all too often recognised by the various researchers, advisors and extension officers; BUT politics, money and conservative attitudes also often conspire to "maintain the stays quo" - amid the 'invested interests' constant yapping of "nanny state/greenie conspiracies/liberals, socialists, communists !"  Rolling Eyes 


At power loss SO, make more panels we are in a position of being able to supply our needs many times over. PLUS as I have always endorsed we should be making a large inland city in one of the areas too arid to farm. Running the solar farms would create the Jobs and you could always charge less for electricity to industries that move closer to the solar farms (this would help to grow and pay for the inland city)

I know it would match the NBN in cost.
the NBN at 30 billion dollars it is the SAME as we spent on the Car indusrty over 5 years with NOTHING to show for it. The Point is we Literally have thrown 30 billoin dollars away, good money gone after bad. In Hindsight there it is hard to see how we could have blown so much money with so little to show for it so quickly.


 Suspect    I agree with that notion that the money wasted on the Car industry could have been better invested in water conservation, land re-claiming and 'green power' generation ~ ALL of which would have have had much longer lasting results !

AS for energy production ~ upcoming and ongoing improvements in producing electricity from solar, wind and on-site gas usage (using onsite natural gas deposits for on-site energy production, rather than allowing AGL and co. to "frack up" the area with their large scale plans to feed their Asian export markets..), will allow many more private properties along the way to become 'mini' power stations' in their own rights ~ adding further to powering up those national power grids..   cyclops

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:23 am

@bee
Completely Agree, while doing it like Europe we stuffed up major. I like to think the fact we are now doing things our own way means we can address these issues with future agriculture developments. And hopefully reclaim some of the damaged land in the process.  :D 

Also Agree with the mini power stations the point is more to get the grid in place so we can harness more of the natural energy resources.

the Central power station idea is in response to one of the biggest arguments against a 100% green grid, the difficult in maintaining base power load, but rather than panels we can build some of the solar rock salt power plants, they run all night and there enough of Australia that getting that cold/cloudy where they wouldn't work is a once in 100 year event.


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