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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:11 am

A biological male who identifies as a transgender woman won a women’s world championship cycling event on Sunday.

Rachel McKinnon, a professor at the College of Charleston, won the women’s sprint 35-39 age bracket at the 2018 UCI Masters Track Cycling World Championships in Los Angeles. McKinnon, representing Canada, bested Carolien Van Herrikhuyzen of the Netherlands and American cyclist Jennifer Wagner to take home the gold.

McKinnon celebrated the victory on Twitter, writing: “First transgender woman world champion…ever.”

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Allowing biological males who identify as transgender women to compete in women’s athletic events has been a controversial subject, as critics have argued that it puts the female competitors at an inherent disadvantage.

McKinnon did not immediately return an email seeking comment for this article.

McKinnon in January was quoted in USA Today arguing against requiring biological males to suppress testosterone as a requirement for competing against women. (RELATED: High-School Boy Wins All-State Honors In Girls Track And Field)

“We cannot have a woman legally recognized as a trans woman in society, and not be recognized that way in sports,” McKinnon told USA Today.




https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/14/biological-male-wins-womens-world-cycling-championship/

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2018/01/11/these-transgender-cyclists-have-olympian-disagreement-how-define-fairness/995434001/

Its simple astounding that this can happen, where women are clearly going to be disavantaged within sports. Even more when there is no restriction on testostrone or a requirment that such transgender women, need have operations.

The tyranny of a minority, trumping the rights of biological women in sports. Which is only going to lead to more male atheletes declaring a change in sex. In order to win competitions.

They only fair way to resolve this and thus ensure also rights for Trans people. Is to create a third category. Or have a restriction on testostrone with post operation to make this fair to all competiting.

That you have male, female and trans.

Thus trans men, compete and against trans men. Trans women compete against trans women. 

Nobody would allow an able body person to compete against someone disabled, so why here with trans women?

Hence this is pure madness by the sports industry. Where clearly those Trans born biologically men, not restricting their testostrone levels. Have a clear and distinctive advantage over biological women.

Nobody should have their rights trumped, but again we see women, have their rights trumped by trans people within sports.

The lady who came in third, very much felt aggreived over this trans person being allowed to participate.

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:14 am

This is a case of a difficult side effect. I absolutely support the rights of trans people to be who they want to be, but there is a CLEAR issue of unfairness here. Trans women certainly should not be allowed to compete against biological women. Perhaps another category is one idea, but how much do we really need to set up a whole extra set of contests for maybe one or two competitors? Honestly, I think if you are trans maybe the only fair option is give up ideas of competiting at all OR accept that categories are set based on biological sex?

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:36 am

Idea

It also has to be remembered that it is the "UCI 'Masters' World Championship"...

A 3rd- rate Mickey Mouse competition that hands out hundreds of pseudo-"world" chamlionships across a wide range of age-groups from 45-years-old upwards --  the kind of "competion" where virtually anybody can earn a medal by selectively targeting the right classification and age-group..

That UCI mob have done themselves no favours by recognising a biological male beating out females --  what would be a much bigger worry would be if any of the top-level international amateur, professional or Olympic federations were to officially recognise this farce..

The UCI has further demoted itself through this nonsense, dropping from being a second-string 'cycling association to a probable laughing stock among sporting bodies.

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Post by eddie on Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:04 am

Well this kind of thing was always going to happen.
Perhaps trans people should only compete in the events as the sex they were born as? Or maybe, one day, there will be enough trans people globally that they can make their own teams and categories in sports?

It’s a tough one. I feel sorry for these people actually. Feeling as though you’ve been born into the wrong body and never fitting in, then having all that hardship of a sex change only to still not fit in.  

It’s kinda sad.

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:26 am

eddie wrote:Well this kind of thing was always going to happen.
Perhaps trans people should only compete in the events as the sex they were born as? Or maybe, one day, there will be enough trans people globally that they can make their own teams and categories in sports?

It’s a tough one. I feel sorry for these people actually. Feeling as though you’ve been born into the wrong body and never fitting in, then having all that hardship of a sex change only to still not fit in.  

It’s kinda sad.

Yeah, really is a no win situation. Sounds brutal to say 'that's life' but it kind of is. There are things everyone simply can't do or won't have to do in life. Perhaps mainstream competitive sports is just something trans people have to accept is inaccessible to them Sad

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Post by eddie on Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:37 am

Nothing is impossible, Les.
Even the word itself tells one “I’m possible”




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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:57 am

this is what happens when you pander to minorities

simple rule to solve the problem....

for sports your gender isnt "what you feel" ...but what your chromosomes say

xx = female
xy = male

anything else inadmissable

life i'm afraid is harsh, in fact life is a shit and then you die.....

get over it.....

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:05 am

eddie wrote:Nothing is impossible, Les.
Even the word itself tells one “I’m possible”




It's a nice phrase Eds Cool

But until biological men can take some drug or some such thing to bring their physical capability to that of a biological woman, I don't see a fair answer to this.

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Post by eddie on Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:31 am

Lord Foul wrote:this is what happens when you pander to minorities

simple rule to solve the problem....

for sports your gender isnt "what you feel" ...but what your chromosomes say

xx = female
xy = male

anything else inadmissable

life i'm afraid is harsh, in fact life is a shit and then you die.....

get over it.....



Ooooh you’re harsh. Shocked

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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:24 am

Harsh?

I'll tell you whats harsh, the worlds going to hell in a hand cart pandering to these "minorities" blokes "thinking" they are women demanding the right to use female toilets etc, or whats worse demanding the toilets all become "unisex" just to cover their insignificant (in numbers terms) problems.....whats worse their "problem doesnt even exist...I mean...ok you MIGHT be a bloke who thinks like a woman...and "feels" like a woman (hows that work?) BUT you still have a meat and two veg so go hang it out with all the other priks in the blokes pissoir ffs. it not like you have anything notably different to them......

The whole of society has become fixated on a mawkish sense of sentimentality towards "minorities" that dont either need it or logically require it.....the clue is ...if you have dangly bits...you DONT NEED to use a female facility.......
this sentimentality has led to a feeling of righteous need from said minorities of all types and shades, whether it be trans or religious or whatever....and this has turned into righteous indignation and militancy.... fed and pushed as an agenda by leftys with nothing better to do....

my only hope for mankind is a serious metor strike that wipes out 80% of humanity and lets the rest rebuild.....hopefully with something containing a bit more common sense.....

ps...I have nothing against minorities......as long as they get a say in proportion to their numbers in society.......


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Post by Eilzel on Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:37 am

Lord Foul wrote:Harsh?

I'll tell you whats harsh, the worlds going to hell in a hand cart pandering to these "minorities" blokes "thinking" they are women demanding the right to use female toilets etc, or whats worse demanding the toilets all become "unisex" just to cover their insignificant (in numbers terms) problems.....whats worse their "problem doesnt even exist...I mean...ok you MIGHT be a bloke who thinks like a woman...and "feels" like a woman (hows that work?) BUT you still have a meat and two veg so go hang it out with all the other priks in the blokes pissoir ffs. it not like you have anything notably different to them......

The whole of society has become fixated on a mawkish sense of sentimentality towards "minorities" that dont either need it or logically require it.....the clue is ...if you have dangly bits...you DONT NEED to use a female facility.......
this sentimentality has led to a feeling of righteous need from said minorities of all types and shades, whether it be trans or religious or whatever....and this has turned into righteous indignation and militancy.... fed and pushed as an agenda by leftys with nothing better to do....

my only hope for mankind is a serious metor strike that wipes out 80% of humanity and lets the rest rebuild.....hopefully with something containing a bit more common sense.....

ps...I have nothing against minorities......as long as they get a say in proportion to their numbers in society.......


Vic, wtf?

While I agree with you on sports, I think the rest is ridiculous.

If a person looks, walks, talks and acts like a woman, then goes into the gents for a piss because some people believe the ONLY thing that matters in the cock and balls, that person is likely putting themselves in danger. And for NO reason other than the inane fear that one man in a million MIGHT abuse the opportunity and dress as a woman himself in order to abuse someone.

You are telling people they MUST put themselves in danger because the only thing YOU care about is what's between their legs?

I agree sometimes the demands of minorities are OTT. The OP is a case in point. But letting trans women use ladies toilets is not one of them.

And wishing (even in jest) wanton destruction on the world is a bit of an over reaction, isn't it? There are MANY problems in the world today. Political correctness can be taken too far at times but it is surely FAR from the one problem that merits complete despair at humanity at large. Still better to live in the UK, US, Canada or any of the other 'hellholes' that practice PC than places like Saudi Arabia, North Korea, China and so on.

Just pointing out, our problems are relatively minor, to the point of trivial tbh.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:01 pm

yebbut Eil...the problem ISNT "just" the trans issue...its ALL these minorities, that end up , especially under leftist administrattions (but also under scaredy cat center right ones too) having a disproportionate say in matters in relation to their actual numbers... maybe letting trans woman use a ladies IS ok...BUT demanding the universal adoption (which is the hidden "want") of unisex or genderless toilets IS NOT ok.....Muslims demanding the closure of pork butchers near to their "patch" (which has happened) is NOT ok...vegans threatening farmers (which has happened) is NOT OK, animal rights activists (aka morons) attcking, threatening and intimidating medical research establishments is NOT OK...... etc etc.....

maybe, to satisfy the trans community......we should provide specialised trans loos with a "radar key" which to obtain you would need to be a registered trans person, but then that wouldnt suit would it (even though if you are disabled thats EXACTLY what happens)

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Post by Syl on Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:07 pm

Eilzel wrote:
eddie wrote:Well this kind of thing was always going to happen.
Perhaps trans people should only compete in the events as the sex they were born as? Or maybe, one day, there will be enough trans people globally that they can make their own teams and categories in sports?

It’s a tough one. I feel sorry for these people actually. Feeling as though you’ve been born into the wrong body and never fitting in, then having all that hardship of a sex change only to still not fit in.  

It’s kinda sad.

Yeah, really is a no win situation. Sounds brutal to say 'that's life' but it kind of is. There are things everyone simply can't do or won't have to do in life. Perhaps mainstream competitive sports is just something trans people have to accept is inaccessible to them Sad

I agree with that, not everyone can be everything they want to be, sometimes people have to accept that the path they have chosen rules out alternative paths they may have wished to have gone down.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:19 pm

oh...and its aint ME that "cares about whats between their legs" ...thats nature, however IF a "bloke" (biologically) identifies as a woman, and dresses like one, acts like one and looks like one then go have the necessary alterations done other wise you are "hedging your bets" and clearly not sure WHAT you are...therefor you are not trans but "confused"

and...just how stupid do you want to go with this

ok...I identify as a dog.....mind if I shit on your lawn and piss up your tree????? in full view of everyone?

ALSO Eil, you have it wrong...I DONT care if its a bloke in a skirt going into the mens for a piss, I dont EVEN, care if that bloke who thinks he's a woman goes into the ladies (thats THEIR problem) what IS the problem is then the women bra burning men hating activists who take THAT as a sign that it is OK for them to invade the gents because (inevitably) there is a queue half a mile long for the ladies..... which happens and not THAT irregularly let me tell you.....OR as I have seen (and now refuse to provide any sevices for ) at a gala at our local park, women "taking over the mens" demanding access for their female dancing troupe girlies because the brats couldnt get into the over subscribed ladies). The female leader entered the toilets demanding men leave, reported to the copper on the gate he did nothing .... NOT funny not acceptable. but there you go...a noisy militant minority creating havoc "because they can " and because they can squeal "oh its soooo unfair"

Sorry Eil...minorities should get the say they deserve like the rest of us...... you know one man one vote....and the uninvolved noisy underemployed and nothing better to do leftys should keep out of it.





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Post by nicko on Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:24 pm

Gave you a red thing for that Vic, this Pc crap is getting out of hand !
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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:26 pm

Syl wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
eddie wrote:Well this kind of thing was always going to happen.
Perhaps trans people should only compete in the events as the sex they were born as? Or maybe, one day, there will be enough trans people globally that they can make their own teams and categories in sports?

It’s a tough one. I feel sorry for these people actually. Feeling as though you’ve been born into the wrong body and never fitting in, then having all that hardship of a sex change only to still not fit in.  

It’s kinda sad.

Yeah, really is a no win situation. Sounds brutal to say 'that's life' but it kind of is. There are things everyone simply can't do or won't have to do in life. Perhaps mainstream competitive sports is just something trans people have to accept is inaccessible to them Sad

I agree with that, not everyone can be everything they want to be, sometimes people have to accept that the path they have chosen rules out alternative paths they may have wished to have gone down.

THIS....
good post, and makes my point in far fewer words. Too many minorities "want their cake and eat it" when the reality is YOU as a minority DO NOT get to tell the world to "fit into YOUR mould", you may ask nicely that the world accepts you and allows you to do your thing, but you cant expect anything more, especially if "your thing2 impacts in any way upon the members of "the world"

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Post by nicko on Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:29 pm

Vic, that "red" thing is green, Embarassed
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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:32 pm

nicko wrote:Vic, that "red" thing is green,   Embarassed

lol Nicko......

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:36 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Syl wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
eddie wrote:Well this kind of thing was always going to happen.
Perhaps trans people should only compete in the events as the sex they were born as? Or maybe, one day, there will be enough trans people globally that they can make their own teams and categories in sports?

It’s a tough one. I feel sorry for these people actually. Feeling as though you’ve been born into the wrong body and never fitting in, then having all that hardship of a sex change only to still not fit in.  

It’s kinda sad.

Yeah, really is a no win situation. Sounds brutal to say 'that's life' but it kind of is. There are things everyone simply can't do or won't have to do in life. Perhaps mainstream competitive sports is just something trans people have to accept is inaccessible to them Sad

I agree with that, not everyone can be everything they want to be, sometimes people have to accept that the path they have chosen rules out alternative paths they may have wished to have gone down.

THIS....
good post, and makes my point in far fewer words. Too many minorities "want their cake and eat it"  when the reality is YOU as a minority DO NOT get to tell the world to "fit into YOUR mould", you may ask nicely that the world accepts you and allows you to do  your thing, but you cant expect anything more, especially if "your thing2 impacts in any way upon the members of "the world"

I agree with this for the most part. I think we are mostly in agreement on the details, just not in the magnitude of the 'problem'

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Post by Jules on Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:05 pm

Eilzel wrote:
eddie wrote:Well this kind of thing was always going to happen.
Perhaps trans people should only compete in the events as the sex they were born as? Or maybe, one day, there will be enough trans people globally that they can make their own teams and categories in sports?

It’s a tough one. I feel sorry for these people actually. Feeling as though you’ve been born into the wrong body and never fitting in, then having all that hardship of a sex change only to still not fit in.  

It’s kinda sad.

Yeah, really is a no win situation. Sounds brutal to say 'that's life' but it kind of is. There are things everyone simply can't do or won't have to do in life. Perhaps mainstream competitive sports is just something trans people have to accept is inaccessible to them Sad

Pun?  hahaha

Yes it's very unfair for a biological male to compete against females.
Not so much a level playing field as a . . . . slippery slope.
There was one chap who swapped his gender and demanded the earlier retirement age that females got 
- and he won his case in court!  Shocked

Smacks of playing the system.  Mad

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Post by Jules on Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:09 pm

nicko wrote:Vic,

that "red" thing is green,   Embarassed

That's what they all say!!!!!   Embarassed  Suspect Suspect

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:20 pm

Reading Vic's arguments, this is a classic case ripe for proportional equality.  We tend to think of equality as simply equal distribution (of anything) at any given point (called: distributive equality).  As to comparative advantages or limitations, conservatives tend to say 'tough nuts' and liberals are wont to say 'give 'em more to make up for it'.

Proportional equality recognizes that any distribution is unequal, and so we make up for it at the starting line.  Simply put, we change the competition.  Paralymbics is a classic example.  They have their own games, reflecting the excellence they can achieve given that they have limitations. Indeed, isn't that what we do in splitting men and women in tennis, basketball, or track?  If it is a matter of advantages (as in this case), not limitations, do the same.  At some point it is ridiculous to pretend that they are co-equal contestants.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:33 pm

Jules wrote:
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that "red" thing is green,   Embarassed

That's what they all say!!!!!   Embarassed  Suspect Suspect

s'alright jules...it runs on solar power..........

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Post by Jules on Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:44 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Jules wrote:

That's what they all say!!!!!   Embarassed  Suspect Suspect

s'alright jules...it runs on solar power..........
Gosh.
I dare'n't ask what happens when there's power surges & solar flares.  Shocked

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Post by Jules on Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:44 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Jules wrote:

That's what they all say!!!!!   Embarassed  Suspect Suspect

s'alright jules...it runs on solar power..........
Gosh.
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