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Post by Vintage on Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:48 pm

I know each era has its benefits and problems, it seems as we go along every generations lives have improved, perhaps we've stalled a bit now in the era of globalisation and robotics but if you were to live in a different era what would that be and why.
Personally I would possibly have liked Pre Roman Britain or the Tudor era, although Tudor times weren't a good time to be a woman, at least not one without money or power.
Although still not a great time to be a woman but I am strongly attracted to the WW2 era, women once again made their mark when needed although once again were relegated to the kitchen sink once hostilities ceased. I can only think I am attracted to this time because it brought out the best in most people and the worst in a few and that I knew and grew up with people who actually experienced this. People worked together and socialised together to get along in great adversity, I think I was instilled with a work ethic and patriotism, to do the best for your country without disregarding others less fortunate around the world. I quite like the fashions and the hairstyles and I absolutely love the shoes. When I left school I thought about joining the services, the RAF, to be precise, but being a shy mouse I never took the step, I wish I had, there were so many interesting years to have served through the cold war. I'd rather have been doing something than just a sitting duck, although I would definitely been torn between being somewhere contributing and being with my family if anything dire had happened.
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Post by Didge on Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:41 pm

Vintage wrote:I know each era has its benefits and problems, it seems as we go along every generations lives have improved, perhaps we've stalled a bit now in the era of globalisation and robotics but if you were to live in a different era what would that be and why.
Personally I would possibly have liked Pre Roman Britain or the Tudor era, although Tudor times weren't a good time to be a woman, at least not one without money or power.
Although still not a great time to be a woman but I am strongly attracted to the WW2 era, women once again made their mark when needed although once again were relegated to the kitchen sink once hostilities ceased. I can only think I am attracted to this time because it brought out the best in most people and the worst in a few and that I knew and grew up with people who actually experienced this. People worked together and socialised together to get along in great adversity, I think I was instilled with a work ethic and patriotism, to do the best for your country without disregarding others less fortunate around the world.  I quite like the fashions and the hairstyles and I absolutely love the shoes. When I left school I thought about joining the services, the RAF, to be precise, but being a shy mouse I never took the step, I wish I had, there were so many interesting years to have served through the cold war. I'd rather have been doing something than just a sitting duck, although I would definitely been torn between being somewhere contributing and being with my family if anything dire had happened.
Threads scared the hell out of me.


Why would you want to live in many eras. When you have a very slim chance of survival rates?

When people bemoan today, they really have no idea what it was like to be a woman in the past

Granted women had more rights in Celtic and Angloc Saxon times, before they became Christianized, but the point is. We now have laws that protect the rights of women. Just because some idiots are now trying to destroy equality by enforcing equality of outcomes. Which has to be the most daft philosohpy ever to come out of the left thinking brain camp. Does not mean, this is not a great time to live for everyone. As I am sure people have said many times they would have loved to have lived in different times, but then by not actaully ever understanding what it was truely like to live and struggle.

What often people forget is that men often struggled to in the past and in many cases worse so. When they were gang pressed into conflicts and not for any cause of their own but for the elite of society. People often go on about the wrongs of the past where men had it only slightly better. As 99% never did,and where completely worse off in the societies they lived in back then.

Why cant people live and be happy for the time they live in?

To me, its a great time to live

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Post by Vintage on Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:56 pm

I can't agree more today is a great time to exist and possibly will be more so in the future, well hopefully, it doesn't follow the future will be better.
I'm just asking if you thought you might flourish in times past if not in this particular time, many people are drawn to past eras, be it fashion or whatever its not like I have a time machine that I'll whisk you away to if you dare to mention and era, its just for fun, people who like history usually like to play the game, its not like its serious, you remember fun don't you, didn't you ever play make believe.  If you did have a time machine wouldn't you be tempted to go back to check out certain times? Sometimes people feel a connection with an era possibly due to having memories of experiencing that era, as in reincarnation.

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Post by Didge on Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:02 pm

Vintage wrote:I can't agree more today is a great time to exist and possibly will be more so in the future, well hopefully, it doesn't follow the future will be better.
I'm just asking if you thought you might flourish in times past if not in this particular time, many people are drawn to past eras, be it fashion or whatever its not like I have a time machine that I'll whisk you away to if you dare to mention and era, its just for fun, people who like history usually like to play the game, its not like its serious, you remember fun don't you, didn't you ever play make believe.  If you did have a time machine wouldn't you be tempted to go back to check out certain times?


Don't get me wrong, its a very interesting question you are posing Vintage, but to me. Today is a far better time to live

I mean I have read so much about history and think back to how. If towns or cities were conqured in the past. There is a 100% chance I being a man. Would be slaughtered and a 50% chance you would be in Europe or 50% chance you would live and also possible raped. Not a great choice I admit. So you would have the better odds there on survival. So I can have a fair idea what it would be like for me, if born into society from humble orgins. In times of war, ll throughout many centuries. Men have been pressed ganged into war. Hardly ever to fight for a nation, but a king, leader ect.

If I had to live in a time back in the past, it would be in the earliest times of ancient Sumer.

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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:06 pm

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Vintage wrote:I know each era has its benefits and problems, it seems as we go along every generations lives have improved, perhaps we've stalled a bit now in the era of globalisation and robotics but if you were to live in a different era what would that be and why.
Personally I would possibly have liked Pre Roman Britain or the Tudor era, although Tudor times weren't a good time to be a woman, at least not one without money or power.
Although still not a great time to be a woman but I am strongly attracted to the WW2 era, women once again made their mark when needed although once again were relegated to the kitchen sink once hostilities ceased. I can only think I am attracted to this time because it brought out the best in most people and the worst in a few and that I knew and grew up with people who actually experienced this. People worked together and socialised together to get along in great adversity, I think I was instilled with a work ethic and patriotism, to do the best for your country without disregarding others less fortunate around the world.  I quite like the fashions and the hairstyles and I absolutely love the shoes. When I left school I thought about joining the services, the RAF, to be precise, but being a shy mouse I never took the step, I wish I had, there were so many interesting years to have served through the cold war. I'd rather have been doing something than just a sitting duck, although I would definitely been torn between being somewhere contributing and being with my family if anything dire had happened.
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Why would you want to live in many eras. When you have a very slim chance of survival rates?

When people bemoan today, they really have no idea what it was like to be a woman in the past

Granted women had more rights in Celtic and Angloc Saxon times, before they became Christianized, but the point is. We now have laws that protect the rights of women. Just because some idiots are now trying to destroy equality by enforcing equality of outcomes. Which has to be the most daft philosohpy ever to come out of the left thinking brain camp. Does not mean, this is not a great time to live for everyone. As I am sure people have said many times they would have loved to have lived in different times, but then by not actaully ever understanding what it was truely like to live and struggle.

What often people forget is that men often struggled to in the past and in many cases worse so. When they were gang pressed into conflicts and not for any cause of their own but for the elite of society. People often go on about the wrongs of the past where men had it only slightly better. As 99% never did,and where completely worse off in the societies they lived in back then.

Why cant people live and be happy for the time they live in?

To me, its a great time to live

And yet you bash the left, even though the left has always been responsible for the advances you're touting as to why now is such a great time.

I mean, really, if you look at the history of right-wing vs. left-wing movements, left wingers have always been about granting more social and political power to those who have the least financial power, whereas the right have always been about concentrating social and political power among those who have financial party.

Thus, the right wanted slavery to continue, and the left wanted to free the slaves.

Before that, the right wanted only landowners (financial power) to have the vote (political power).

Later on, same thing with giving women the vote.

So, in a time when the "Leader of the Free World" is a racist who brags about sexually assaulting women, how can you possibly fault people for wishing to live in a different time?

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Post by Didge on Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:13 pm

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Why would you want to live in many eras. When you have a very slim chance of survival rates?

When people bemoan today, they really have no idea what it was like to be a woman in the past

Granted women had more rights in Celtic and Angloc Saxon times, before they became Christianized, but the point is. We now have laws that protect the rights of women. Just because some idiots are now trying to destroy equality by enforcing equality of outcomes. Which has to be the most daft philosohpy ever to come out of the left thinking brain camp. Does not mean, this is not a great time to live for everyone. As I am sure people have said many times they would have loved to have lived in different times, but then by not actaully ever understanding what it was truely like to live and struggle.

What often people forget is that men often struggled to in the past and in many cases worse so. When they were gang pressed into conflicts and not for any cause of their own but for the elite of society. People often go on about the wrongs of the past where men had it only slightly better. As 99% never did,and where completely worse off in the societies they lived in back then.

Why cant people live and be happy for the time they live in?

To me, its a great time to live

And yet you bash the left, even though the left has always been responsible for the advances you're touting as to why now is such a great time.

I mean, really, if you look at the history of right-wing vs. left-wing movements, left wingers have always been about granting more social and political party to those who have the least financial power, whereas the right have always been about concentrating social and political power among those who have financial party.

Thus, the right wanted slavery to continue, and the left wanted to free the slaves.

Before that, the right wanted only landowners (financial power) to have the vote (political power).

Later on, same thing with giving women the vote.

So, in a time when the "Leader of the Free World" is a racist who brags about sexually assaulting women, how can you possibly fault people for wishing to live in a different time?


Really?

So the left were responsible for the end of slavery in the UK, or was that the Christians?

You see i do not deny history, but in many cases its been secularism, which has seen people on both the left and right help progress society. It was fundementally a Conservative Republican party that advanced a view for the time to abloish slavery in the US, but you want to ignore this and make some absurd claim. They were some how left and Democrats as Quill does.

They were never in a month of Sundays Left wing

So if its been about left and right, why was there progression, before the advent of left wing politics?

How did that happen Ben?

Why did schools start way before this?

Hospitals?

Universities?

So if you claim the right wanted slavery to continue, why is it in both the UK and the US right thinking people voted and fought to abolish this?

There is nothing worse than someone, who has not the first clue about history, try to whitewash it and paint the most distorted picture going ever.

Now there is very much a view from the late 19th century into the 20th century, where we do see leftism with progressive views, but then they have simple just plagerized them from a 2,000 year old Jewish Rabbi called Jesus.

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Post by Didge on Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:22 pm

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Vintage wrote:I can't agree more today is a great time to exist and possibly will be more so in the future, well hopefully, it doesn't follow the future will be better.
I'm just asking if you thought you might flourish in times past if not in this particular time, many people are drawn to past eras, be it fashion or whatever its not like I have a time machine that I'll whisk you away to if you dare to mention and era, its just for fun, people who like history usually like to play the game, its not like its serious, you remember fun don't you, didn't you ever play make believe.  If you did have a time machine wouldn't you be tempted to go back to check out certain times?


Don't get me wrong, its a very interesting question you are posing Vintage, but to me. Today is a far better time to live

I mean I have read so much about history and think back to how. If towns or cities were conqured in the past. There is a 100% chance I being a man. Would be slaughtered and a 50% chance you would be in Europe or 50% chance you would live and also possible raped. Not a great choice I admit. So you would have the better odds there on survival. So I can have a fair idea what it would be like for me, if born into society from humble orgins. In times of war, ll throughout many centuries. Men have been pressed ganged into war. Hardly ever to fight for a nation, but a king, leader ect.

If I had to live in a time back in the past, it would be in the earliest times of ancient Sumer.


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Post by Vintage on Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:49 pm

Sumer, yes good choice. Maybe Egypt at its height, where women were more equal, they could be anything even a doctor of great renown to the rulers. I would not want to be a Greek or Roman woman in their eras.
I agree, few times in the past have been great for the many, starved, killed in war, either forced to fight or raped and killed anyway, if female, as part of the terrorism used to subdue the populace. This is the best time to live,as far as I can tell, with all we know of the past. In the future I would appreciate living in a Startrek type universe, of course but we are a long way from that.

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Post by Didge on Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:55 pm

Vintage wrote:Sumer, yes good choice. Maybe Egypt at its height, where women were more equal, they could be anything even a doctor of great renown to the rulers. I would not want to be a Greek or Roman woman in their eras.
I agree, few times in the past have been great for the many, starved, killed in war, either forced to fight or raped and killed anyway, if female, as part of the terrorism used to subdue the populace. This is the best time to live,as far as I can tell, with all we know of the past.  In the future I would appreciate living in a Startrek type universe, of course but we are a long way from that.


Interesting that you say Greek or Roman and agree, but only the elite of Roman society did women have any chance of a good living and even then were used as pawns in marriages for political purposes. 

Also Greek, to me only the Spartans held any real equality for women and wildly renowned for their beauty. They had many rights to own property and only two situations would Spartans be given grave inscriptions. Those who died in battle and women who died in childbirth. So Greek to me, would need something more specific based on the city states. 

I say Sumer, as it had many of the firsts for societies. Though, that again is subjective as its the only known first so far.

I would have thought you would have gone for the celts who did have many equal rights for women.

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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:06 am

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Didge wrote:


Why would you want to live in many eras. When you have a very slim chance of survival rates?

When people bemoan today, they really have no idea what it was like to be a woman in the past

Granted women had more rights in Celtic and Angloc Saxon times, before they became Christianized, but the point is. We now have laws that protect the rights of women. Just because some idiots are now trying to destroy equality by enforcing equality of outcomes. Which has to be the most daft philosohpy ever to come out of the left thinking brain camp. Does not mean, this is not a great time to live for everyone. As I am sure people have said many times they would have loved to have lived in different times, but then by not actaully ever understanding what it was truely like to live and struggle.

What often people forget is that men often struggled to in the past and in many cases worse so. When they were gang pressed into conflicts and not for any cause of their own but for the elite of society. People often go on about the wrongs of the past where men had it only slightly better. As 99% never did,and where completely worse off in the societies they lived in back then.

Why cant people live and be happy for the time they live in?

To me, its a great time to live

And yet you bash the left, even though the left has always been responsible for the advances you're touting as to why now is such a great time.

I mean, really, if you look at the history of right-wing vs. left-wing movements, left wingers have always been about granting more social and political party to those who have the least financial power, whereas the right have always been about concentrating social and political power among those who have financial party.

Thus, the right wanted slavery to continue, and the left wanted to free the slaves.

Before that, the right wanted only landowners (financial power) to have the vote (political power).

Later on, same thing with giving women the vote.

So, in a time when the "Leader of the Free World" is a racist who brags about sexually assaulting women, how can you possibly fault people for wishing to live in a different time?


Really?

So the left were responsible for the end of slavery in the UK, or was that the Christians?

You see i do not deny history, but in many cases its been secularism, which has seen people on both the left and right help progress society. It was fundementally a Conservative Republican party that advanced a view for the time to abloish slavery in the US, but you want to ignore this and make some absurd claim. They were some how left and Democrats as Quill does.

They were never in a month of Sundays Left wing

So if its been about left and right, why was there progression, before the advent of left wing politics?

How did that happen Ben?

Why did schools start way before this?

Hospitals?

Universities?

So if you claim the right wanted slavery to continue, why is it in both the UK and the US right thinking people voted and fought to abolish this?

There is nothing worse than someone, who has not the first clue about history, try to whitewash it and paint the most distorted picture going ever.

Now there is very much a view from the late 19th century into the 20th century, where we do see leftism with progressive views, but then they have simple just plagerized them from a 2,000 year old Jewish Rabbi called Jesus.

Left wing politics has been around since the dawn of humankind. I'll just point you to a single, very important document that was extremely left-wing for its time - the Magna Carta.

First document to assert that the wealthy powerful weren't chosen for leadership by God. So all you've proven is that a large, contradictory book like the Bible contains ammunition for both the left and the right.

You accuse me of distorting history and then claim leftism originated in the 19th century? The United States constitution is PROFOUNDLY left-wing. It said people could rule themselves, and not have to bow to authority!

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Post by Didge on Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:16 am

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Really?

So the left were responsible for the end of slavery in the UK, or was that the Christians?

You see i do not deny history, but in many cases its been secularism, which has seen people on both the left and right help progress society. It was fundementally a Conservative Republican party that advanced a view for the time to abloish slavery in the US, but you want to ignore this and make some absurd claim. They were some how left and Democrats as Quill does.

They were never in a month of Sundays Left wing

So if its been about left and right, why was there progression, before the advent of left wing politics?

How did that happen Ben?

Why did schools start way before this?

Hospitals?

Universities?

So if you claim the right wanted slavery to continue, why is it in both the UK and the US right thinking people voted and fought to abolish this?

There is nothing worse than someone, who has not the first clue about history, try to whitewash it and paint the most distorted picture going ever.

Now there is very much a view from the late 19th century into the 20th century, where we do see leftism with progressive views, but then they have simple just plagerized them from a 2,000 year old Jewish Rabbi called Jesus.

Left wing politics has been around since the dawn of humankind. I'll just point you to a single, very important document that was extremely left-wing for its time - the Magna Carta.

First document to assert that the wealthy powerful weren't chosen for leadership by God. So all you've proven is that a large, contradictory book like the Bible contains ammunition for both the left and the right.

You accuse me of distorting history and then claim leftism originated in the 19th century? The United States constitution is PROFOUNDLY left-wing. It said people could rule themselves, and not have to bow to authority!


Magna Carter?



So Feudal lords, suddenlly turn onto Left wing Politics did they?



Seriously mate, you are talking utter shite

They sought to gain back some power from the present horrible King at the time King John. They never gave two shits about the people beneath them. It was more about stemming the absolute power of a Monarch

You see this is what is so troubling today. That you can sit there and claim people from a time who had no concept of leftism, were suddenlly progressive leftists. Its the biggest load of bull I have ever heard. Not only that it had nothing to with anything leftistm

So yes I am accusing you of a being a complete liar

I mean do you want me to embarress you further here on the Magna Carter and it what it said?

It called for the protection of rights and property, of which the Church held in abundance. As did many feudal lords. Many I might add, given to them by previous Kings. It provided a case for legal justice

Seriously, what education did you have?

As how on earth have you now decided that is left wing?

You see this is what the left does. Anything that sounds good and the left claim it as theirs

For fuck sake, its embarressing to read

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Post by Vintage on Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:06 am

The Magna Carta was primarily for the baron's rights it did include all free men but the majority of the population were villeins , owned by their lord, so in no way free men, the only thing they got out of it was that the fines they had to pay for infringing just about anything were limited.

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Post by Didge on Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:11 am

Vintage wrote:The Magna Carta was primarily for the baron's rights it did include all free men but the majority of the population were villeins , owned by their lord, so in no way free men, the only thing they got out of it was that the fines they had to pay for infringing just about anything were limited.


The problem with Ben's claim, is it no ways understand the history for the time. More to the point the Barons, were using a legal bases for their claim. Slowly over time there had been a legal bases and this had really first been introduced with the Charter of Liberties by Henry I a 115 years before the Magna Carter. Which sought to bind the King to rights of the Nobles, the Church etc. Thus, the Magna Carter had its bases in this precedent of law that had been introduced. Of course Henry I hardly lived up to this and neither did the rulers after him. So this was more of a legal bases that Nobles and the clergy brought forth within the Magna Carter. Which unlike other charters before, this was forced unto the King.

So the view this was some how leftist and progressive is shockingly ignorant of the actual history for the time.

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Post by Vintage on Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:33 am

Indeed, it took a long time to get to universal rights for everyone, it was laws built on the foundation of Magna Carta and the fact that it encompassed more and more people who achieved freedom, mainly due to the Black Death more than anything else, when the people who survived could demand better wages and move to different villages no longer under the control of their lords. Even then nothing like we have today. Consider lands controlled by Russia still had a feudal serf system until the 1860's I believe it had even expanded from medieval times to then.

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Post by Didge on Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:34 pm

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Vintage wrote:Sumer, yes good choice. Maybe Egypt at its height, where women were more equal, they could be anything even a doctor of great renown to the rulers. I would not want to be a Greek or Roman woman in their eras.
I agree, few times in the past have been great for the many, starved, killed in war, either forced to fight or raped and killed anyway, if female, as part of the terrorism used to subdue the populace. This is the best time to live,as far as I can tell, with all we know of the past.  In the future I would appreciate living in a Startrek type universe, of course but we are a long way from that.


Interesting that you say Greek or Roman and agree, but only the elite of Roman society did women have any chance of a good living and even then were used as pawns in marriages for political purposes. 

Also Greek, to me only the Spartans held any real equality for women and wildly renowned for their beauty. They had many rights to own property and only two situations would Spartans be given grave inscriptions. Those who died in battle and women who died in childbirth. So Greek to me, would need something more specific based on the city states. 

I say Sumer, as it had many of the firsts for societies. Though, that again is subjective as its the only known first so far.

I would have thought you would have gone for the celts who did have many equal rights for women.

Idea about the future is cool.

+1 on your previous post Vintage and you are spot on with how progression took a long slow process over time

Anyway back to this interesting thread that Vintage has started

Does anyone else have a time and place they would have liked to have lived in history?

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Post by nicko on Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:32 pm

I would like to go back a few years and join David Stirling and Paddy Mayne, dangerous but bloody exciting !
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Post by Didge on Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:08 pm

nicko wrote:I would like to go back a few years and join David Stirling and Paddy Mayne,   dangerous but bloody exciting !

Great men Nicko

Paddy Mayne had a great distain for the French Resisstance

He stated they changed their loyalities like the wind and he was right

Many SAS were betrayed

This does not take away the many great things some of the French ressistance did, but a number did betrayed the British and their own French people.

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Post by Jules on Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:25 pm

Great, thought-provoking thread, Vintage!  Laughing

You can look at things from the point of view of the rulers . . . . or the citizens.


For the rulers at least, the best era - imo -  was just AFTER Queen Victoria died at the turn of the last century. QV led a charmed life, for sure, but there was no penicillin or insulin or reliable pain relief medication discovered yet. 


But the industrial revolution was coming along in leaps & bounds during her reign. Employment rate went up. She oversaw the growth of an excellent railway network and ship building industry. Britannia literally ruled the waves and a quarter of the earth's surface belonged to us!!


Bountiful cargoes from all these far flung overseas territories [tea, coffee, spices,  oak, teak, mahogany, cotton,  copper, precious gems - have I left anything out, lol?] was arriving here via our fleet of sea vessels, daily.


Of all the royals, Queen Vic's succesor Edward 7th, probably had the beast deal, all things considered. Life for him and his huge royal court was carefree, unimaginably wealthy & opulent  Shocked far removed from the lives of ordinary people. At that time there was less accountability to the elected leaders too, so sovereigns could please themselves. And they did!

Then sadly came the wars WW1, WW2 - along with HUGE human and financial costs of course. The rest is history . . .

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:15 pm

My choice? The Commonwealth of England, Scotland and Ireland  and the Interregnum between 1649 and 1653 under my hero, Lord Protector Oliver Cromwell.

I know that's a very short period, but at least I would have witnessed some great turning points in history either side of those dates, including, hopefully, Cromwell's great speech to the Rump Parliament - "You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately...depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"

Mind you, there would also have been both the horrors of the English Civil war, the East Anglian witchcraft purge by Hopkins and Stearn, the euphoria that surrounded the restoration of Charles 2 and the Great Fire of London...all events that interest me greatly.

Ps. You should have joined the RAF, Vintage...I had a great time and wouldn't have missed it for anything - Cold War or not!
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Post by Didge on Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:21 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:My choice? The Commonwealth of England, Scotland and Ireland  and the Interregnum between 1649 and 1653 under my hero, Lord Protector Oliver Cromwell.

I know that's a very short period, but at least I would have witnessed some great turning points in history either side of those dates, including, hopefully, Cromwell's great speech to the Rump Parliament - "You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately...depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"

Mind you, there would also have been both the horrors of the English Civil war, the East Anglian witchcraft purge by Hopkins and Stearn, the euphoria that surrounded the restoration of Charles 2 and the Great Fire of London...all events that interest me greatly.

Ps. You should have joined the RAF, Vintage...I had a great time and wouldn't have missed it for anything - Cold War or not!

Under a Dictator?

No better than the Monarchy at the time?

Its why his legacy never lasted through his son. His was simple another King, without the title.

Seriously Fred?

The man was a butcher and being half irish, I cannot stand the man. He was after his own infamy

Each to their own I guess

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Post by Vintage on Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:15 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:My choice? The Commonwealth of England, Scotland and Ireland  and the Interregnum between 1649 and 1653 under my hero, Lord Protector Oliver Cromwell.

I know that's a very short period, but at least I would have witnessed some great turning points in history either side of those dates, including, hopefully, Cromwell's great speech to the Rump Parliament - "You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately...depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"

Mind you, there would also have been both the horrors of the English Civil war, the East Anglian witchcraft purge by Hopkins and Stearn, the euphoria that surrounded the restoration of Charles 2 and the Great Fire of London...all events that interest me greatly.

Ps. You should have joined the RAF, Vintage...I had a great time and wouldn't have missed it for anything - Cold War or not!


I think you are right Fred, now I think joining the RAF would have been good for me. I regret I didn't give it a go.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:12 am

Didge wrote:
*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:

And yet you bash the left, even though the left has always been responsible for the advances you're touting as to why now is such a great time.

I mean, really, if you look at the history of right-wing vs. left-wing movements, left wingers have always been about granting more social and political party to those who have the least financial power, whereas the right have always been about concentrating social and political power among those who have financial party.

Thus, the right wanted slavery to continue, and the left wanted to free the slaves.

Before that, the right wanted only landowners (financial power) to have the vote (political power).

Later on, same thing with giving women the vote.

So, in a time when the "Leader of the Free World" is a racist who brags about sexually assaulting women, how can you possibly fault people for wishing to live in a different time?


Really?

So the left were responsible for the end of slavery in the UK, or was that the Christians?

You see i do not deny history, but in many cases its been secularism, which has seen people on both the left and right help progress society. It was fundementally a Conservative Republican party that advanced a view for the time to abloish slavery in the US, but you want to ignore this and make some absurd claim. They were some how left and Democrats as Quill does.

They were never in a month of Sundays Left wing

So if its been about left and right, why was there progression, before the advent of left wing politics?

How did that happen Ben?

Why did schools start way before this?

Hospitals?

Universities?

So if you claim the right wanted slavery to continue, why is it in both the UK and the US right thinking people voted and fought to abolish this?

There is nothing worse than someone, who has not the first clue about history, try to whitewash it and paint the most distorted picture going ever.

Now there is very much a view from the late 19th century into the 20th century, where we do see leftism with progressive views, but then they have simple just plagerized them from a 2,000 year old Jewish Rabbi called Jesus.

Rolling Eyes

What a load of outright crap...

Doddery ol' Didgerii pushing his revisionist nonsense, attempting to rewrite New World history..

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Post by Didge on Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:14 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Didge wrote:


Really?

So the left were responsible for the end of slavery in the UK, or was that the Christians?

You see i do not deny history, but in many cases its been secularism, which has seen people on both the left and right help progress society. It was fundementally a Conservative Republican party that advanced a view for the time to abloish slavery in the US, but you want to ignore this and make some absurd claim. They were some how left and Democrats as Quill does.

They were never in a month of Sundays Left wing

So if its been about left and right, why was there progression, before the advent of left wing politics?

How did that happen Ben?

Why did schools start way before this?

Hospitals?

Universities?

So if you claim the right wanted slavery to continue, why is it in both the UK and the US right thinking people voted and fought to abolish this?

There is nothing worse than someone, who has not the first clue about history, try to whitewash it and paint the most distorted picture going ever.

Now there is very much a view from the late 19th century into the 20th century, where we do see leftism with progressive views, but then they have simple just plagerized them from a 2,000 year old Jewish Rabbi called Jesus.

Rolling Eyes

What a load of outright crap...

Doddery ol' Didgerii pushing his revisionist nonsense, attempting to rewrite New World history..

You mean I correct poor revisionist history offered by others, as i did here.

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Post by Vintage on Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:38 pm

I thought this would be a light discussion about various times in our history, maybe how the west was won and such, how wrong can you be.

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Post by Syl on Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:03 pm

Vintage wrote:I thought this would be a light discussion about various times in our history, maybe how the west was won and such, how wrong can you be.

Haha...you can start a great thread but how it progresses from there is anyone's guess.

I quite like the era I was born into....a child of the 50's (poor but happy) and a teen in the 60's.
To be young in the swinging 60's was possibly the best time ever to be young. Women really came into their own then, the pill was available, we were no longer at the mercy of men (or abstinence) to dictate when we should start a family, the music and fashions were great, and I believe it set many women up for the way they would lead their lives.

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Post by Vintage on Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:49 pm

I agree with you about the 50's and 60's, the 60's especially were one of those times in history where a great change comes about in social affairs, it happens as well in technology of course, we sort of saunter along in the same old way then something happens that opens up a whole new vista. I suppose the two world wars drove a lot of the women's issues to move forward. I thought about this because I'm re watching Home Fires which I and many others thought was pretty good and should have gone on to the end of the war but was dropped after two series.

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Post by Jules on Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:27 pm

The late 90's was a good era, just before this new millennium started. 

We had every modern electrical / electronic contraption at our disposal to make life easy and fun.  Quality of life was good, salaries were good, retirement pensions seemed secure, and the demon internet had not yet taken hold. 


After 2000 it was a different story. Remember the millennium bridge was wobbly  - good metaphor there imo ! What a Face

The www & social media are great in some ways but bad in others - they give out instant news and huge volumes of useful info, but they spread fake news too. And they make fraud easier to commit. Defo a mixed blessing.

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:48 am

Jules wrote:The late 90's was a good era, just before this new millennium started. 

We had every modern electrical / electronic contraption at our disposal to make life easy and fun.  Quality of life was good, salaries were good, retirement pensions seemed secure, and the demon internet had not yet taken hold. 


After 2000 it was a different story. Remember the millennium bridge was wobbly  - good metaphor there imo ! What a Face

The www & social media are great in some ways but bad in others - they give out instant news and huge volumes of useful info, but they spread fake news too. And they make fraud easier to commit. Defo a mixed blessing.

this is exactly what gen Y (early gen Y)get annoyed at
We were raised in the 90's when "Quality of life was good, salaries were good, retirement pensions seemed secure,"
but it's all fallen apart since then with the GFC and going further down the rabbit hole that is 'globalization'

the social issues that have arisen out of the internet are also true (I think social media and the 24hr news cycle are both bad on balance)
But gen Y don't whinge about that Wink

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:56 am

I think I'd go way back, like to be in the first or 2nd generation of aboriginals or first homo sapiens into either of the Americas etc.

Life would be completely different of course, but imagine being the first human to encounter new animals/plants/places/things on a regular basis.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:56 pm

Basketball

From a beekeeping/farming viewpoint,  I reckon the 1950s and '60s would have been a good time to be alive --  effectively, if I had been able to start my beekeeping 25 years earlier --  a full generation before...

Land was much cheaper, relatively speaking --  it would have been easier to set up base..

Forested native bushland was more accessible, before developer-led "urban sprawl" destroyed a lot of areas --  beekeepers today move further with their bees, and therefore have to move more hives.

Beehive material, trucks and utes, extracting plants, were all more affordable when expressed in the prices received for honey --  meaning that one person could make a fulltime living from 500 or 600 hives, where nowadays they would need 700+ hives.

Wages might have been a lot lower,  but the costs were a bit lower still.. I could have potentially been a fulltime beekeeper, instead of remaining a part-time 'sideliner'.


I know people from that earlier generation who bought 'hobby' farms in places where I could never afford it --  basically because they bought them before the boom in property prices in the 1980s and '90s, and the influx of moneyed-up city slickers buying their "lifestyle" and retirement blocks...

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Post by Jules on Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:57 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Basketball

From a beekeeping/farming viewpoint,  I reckon the 1950s and '60s would have been a good time to be alive --  effectively, if I had been able to start my beekeeping 25 years earlier --  a full generation before...

Land was much cheaper, relatively speaking --  it would have been easier to set up base..

Forested native bushland was more accessible, before developer-led "urban sprawl" destroyed a lot of areas --  beekeepers today move further with their bees, and therefore have to move more hives.

Beehive material, trucks and utes, extracting plants, were all more affordable when expressed in the prices received for honey  --  meaning that one person could make a fulltime living from 500 or 600 hives, where nowadays they would need 700+ hives.

Wages might have been a lot lower,  but the costs were a bit lower still..  I could have potentially been a fulltime beekeeper, instead of remaining a part-time 'sideliner'.


I know people from that earlier generation who bought 'hobby' farms in places where I could never afford it --  basically because they bought them before the boom in property prices in the 1980s and '90s, and the influx of moneyed-up city slickers buying their "lifestyle" and retirement blocks...

Sounds like a charmed life, Wolfie!
imo the horrors that ended the peaceful eras were > >


financial meltdowns (the biggies were in 1925, 1987 & 2008 What a Face What a Face - have I left any out?)
globalisation
the emergence of the *the 1%*
global wars
terrorism
the sinister side of the internet 



Agree?  Sad

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Post by Jules on Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:07 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Jules wrote:The late 90's was a good era, just before this new millennium started. 

We had every modern electrical / electronic contraption at our disposal to make life easy and fun.  Quality of life was good, salaries were good, retirement pensions seemed secure, and the demon internet had not yet taken hold. 


After 2000 it was a different story. Remember the millennium bridge was wobbly  - good metaphor there imo ! What a Face

The www & social media are great in some ways but bad in others - they give out instant news and huge volumes of useful info, but they spread fake news too. And they make fraud easier to commit. Defo a mixed blessing.

this is exactly what gen Y (early gen Y)get annoyed at
We were raised in the 90's when "Quality of life was good, salaries were good, retirement pensions seemed secure,"
but it's all fallen apart since then with the GFC and going further down the rabbit hole that is 'globalization'

the social issues that have arisen out of the internet are also true (I think social media and the 24hr news cycle are both bad on balance)
But gen Y don't whinge about that Wink

Not too sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me there, V.  Smile


But I do luv your ''rabbit hole that is globalisation'' turn of phrase!

So, have a greenie from me. cheers

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:09 pm

Jules wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Basketball

From a beekeeping/farming viewpoint,  I reckon the 1950s and '60s would have been a good time to be alive --  effectively, if I had been able to start my beekeeping 25 years earlier --  a full generation before...

Land was much cheaper, relatively speaking --  it would have been easier to set up base..

Forested native bushland was more accessible, before developer-led "urban sprawl" destroyed a lot of areas --  beekeepers today move further with their bees, and therefore have to move more hives.

Beehive material, trucks and utes, extracting plants, were all more affordable when expressed in the prices received for honey  --  meaning that one person could make a fulltime living from 500 or 600 hives, where nowadays they would need 700+ hives.

Wages might have been a lot lower,  but the costs were a bit lower still..  I could have potentially been a fulltime beekeeper, instead of remaining a part-time 'sideliner'.


I know people from that earlier generation who bought 'hobby' farms in places where I could never afford it --  basically because they bought them before the boom in property prices in the 1980s and '90s, and the influx of moneyed-up city slickers buying their "lifestyle" and retirement blocks...

Sounds like a charmed life, Wolfie!
imo the horrors that ended the peaceful eras were > >


financial meltdowns (the biggies were in 1925, 1987 & 2008 What a Face What a Face - have I left any out?)
globalisation
the emergence of the *the 1%*
global wars
terrorism
the sinister side of the internet 

Agree?  Sad

Smile

Maybe "corporisation" ajd the rise in power and influence of big business, and the accompanying "greed is good"/economic rarionalist/"trickle down" philosophy has also contributed...

Cars, clothes, electronic goods, furniture are all cheaper when expressed in the number of hours work at average wages to pay for them -- however, other essentials such land and housing, and the costs of setting up new businesses have all increased in real terms..

The prices paid for basic food, water and energy were also dropping steadily (when expressed as a % of average wages..) through the 19th and 20th centuries, but seemed to have turned a corner in recent years -- between lower average wages and ever-increasing costs food and energy prices are now 30% or more dearer than they were 20 years ago. With much of the increase staying in the larger retailers pockets..

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:39 pm

Jules wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Jules wrote:The late 90's was a good era, just before this new millennium started. 

We had every modern electrical / electronic contraption at our disposal to make life easy and fun.  Quality of life was good, salaries were good, retirement pensions seemed secure, and the demon internet had not yet taken hold. 


After 2000 it was a different story. Remember the millennium bridge was wobbly  - good metaphor there imo ! What a Face

The www & social media are great in some ways but bad in others - they give out instant news and huge volumes of useful info, but they spread fake news too. And they make fraud easier to commit. Defo a mixed blessing.

this is exactly what gen Y (early gen Y)get annoyed at
We were raised in the 90's when "Quality of life was good, salaries were good, retirement pensions seemed secure,"
but it's all fallen apart since then with the GFC and going further down the rabbit hole that is 'globalization'

the social issues that have arisen out of the internet are also true (I think social media and the 24hr news cycle are both bad on balance)
But gen Y don't whinge about that Wink

Not too sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me there, V.  Smile


But I do luv your ''rabbit hole that is globalisation'' turn of phrase!

So, have a greenie from me. cheers

agreeing mainly  Smile

I turned 17 in the year 2000. So the point you making about the changes between 90's and post 2000 really hits home.

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