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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:02 pm

When Serena Williams was fined £13,100 for effectively losing her temper at the US Open final, the Women’s Tennis Association (WTA) and Billie Jean King both expressed outrage and backed claims she’d been on the receiving end of sexism, claiming male players aren’t held to the same standards.

On Twitter however, women said they were sadly unsurprised by what went down arguing that this debate is about so much more than tennis, but how women, especially black women, are treated in day-to-day life.

In a tweet that’s been liked more than 6,000 times, author Charlene Carruthers said: “What happened to Serena happens to black women in the workplace every day.

“Serena was at work. Tennis is her profession. She’s in a profession that doesn’t fully honour or respect her the way she should be. She’s in the ranks of so many black women.”

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Except in reality she was cheating and broke the rules 3 times

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6148301/Serena-Williams-coach-admits-coaching-Open-finals.html

This had nothing to do with gender or race

She cheated and to use race and gender to defend that shows what is going wrong today with identity politics

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:20 pm

Carlos Ramos should be sacked forthwith. Sexism in this day and age, particularly in an entertainment field, is intolerable.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:21 pm

Original Quill wrote:Carlos Ramos should be sacked forthwith.  Sexism in this day and age, particularly in an entertainment field, is intolerable.

For what?

Apllying the laws and rules of the game?

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:22 pm

Or do you want to apply an inequality view, that makes exceptions with the rules for females and those classed Black?

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:35 pm

She has been docked for three separate code violations: $4,000 for a coaching violation, $3,000 for smashing her racket, and $10,000 for 'verbal abuse' toward Ramos, according to TMZ.

Now what is being missed here and why she really had a tantrum, is she was more annoyed with herself, with how poorly she was playing. She was being outclassed and then used this to use a victim mentality. This was more frustration with herself and then using this to play the victim mentality. That is the worst kind of thing a role model of tennis, women and black people should do. She set the worst kind of example and ruined the historic win for Naomi Osaka.

She broke the rules and no view, whether it is applied evenly matters. If this not the case, then other umpires need to applying the letter of the law. She clearly over reacted and as seen her coach was coaching from the side line. Where I guess was more to do with her losing the game.

People need to stop making excuses for bad behaviour. They certainly do not with me, so why others?

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Post by Vintage on Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:17 pm

I don't really know what happened but if she broke the rules the umpire was in the right. If he was wrong that certainly wasn't the way to go about it. It was a tantrum as far as I could see and quite honestly a pretty deplorable way for a sports person to behave.
The problem I think is there is so much money, kudos and hero worship for sports people now they get to think they are far more important than they are.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:19 pm

Didge wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Carlos Ramos should be sacked forthwith.  Sexism in this day and age, particularly in an entertainment field, is intolerable.

For what?

Apllying the laws and rules of the game?

Don't be ridiculous.  There are fundamental rules: due process and equal justice.  How can you watch a demonstration by John Patrick McEnroe, who gets away with it, and sanction this penalty?



Only one point.  Not a game forfeiture. There is absolute gender bias in women's tennis.

The Williams sisters are women's tennis.  The Organization would not exist without them.  Clearly, but for the Williams sisters, the men's game is REAL tennis.  But if they are not nice little girls, in pinafore dresses, they are naughty.  Bullshite!


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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:20 pm

Vintage wrote:I don't really know what happened but if she broke the rules the umpire was in the right. If he was wrong that certainly wasn't the way to go about it. It was a tantrum as far as I could see and quite honestly a pretty deplorable way for a sports person to behave.
The problem I think is there is so much money, kudos and hero worship for sports people now they get to think they are far more important than they are.


Great points and that is the reality, they are meant to be role models

She acted appallingly and should learn to lose gracefully

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:24 pm

Where was the gender bias Quill, when the match was between two women?

One of who was losing and had a complete paddy?

You think that is the right behaviour to have in a tennis match with millions watching?

Again he applied the rules of the game. She then went on to break two more having a right paddy.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:26 pm

Didge wrote:Where was the gender bias Quill, when the match was between two women?

One of who was losing and had a complete paddy?

You think that is the right behaviour to have in a tennis match with millions watching?

Again he applied the rules of the game. She then went on to break two more having a right paddy.

False rabbit-hole, didge. Take a look at the above video. The men get away with it.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:27 pm

Interesting that you use John, who had many paddies


The record of John McEnroe's altercations with tennis authorities since he broke into the international circuit in 1977.

June 1977 - Screamed obscenities at French Open line judge while winning mixed doubles final with Mary Carillo, but was not fined.July 1980 - Earned first major warning at Wimbledon for behavior during semifinal against Jimmy Connors.

July 1981 - Fined a total of $6,000 at Wimbledon when he called chair umpire "pits of the world" and told him, "You cannot be serious!" Referee Fred Hoyles said he had come within two tantrums of disqualification during early match against Tom Gulliksen. Defeated Bjorn Borg in a four-set final, but boycotted champions dinner, resulting in another fine. Recommended additional fine of $10,000 overturned on appeal.

May 1983 - Fined $1,000 for calling Czech opponent Tomas Smid a "communist bastard" at Forest Hills event.

June 1983 - Fined $3,500 for clashing with photographer at courtside during French Open.

July 1983 - Fined $325 for swearing at spectator during Wimbledon. Fines during the year totalled $7,500.

May 1984 - Fined $7,500 for misconduct during Stockholm Open.

June 1984 - Accrued fines totalling $3,500 for swearing at linesman and other verbal abuse during match against Connors at French Open.

January 1985 - Dropped from U.S. Davis Cup team after "outrageous behavior" during 1984 final defeat by Sweden.

June 1985 - Loses honorary membership of London's Queen's Club for abusing chairman's wife while practicing. McEnroe later was reinstated.

December 1985 - Fined $3,500 for three separate offenses at Australian Open, culminating with verbal abuse of opponent Slobodan Zivojinovic.

January 1986 - Beaten by Brad Gilbert at Masters finals in New York and fined $1,000 for arguing with spectators.

September 1986 - Received fines totalling $3,500 at U.S. Open after he and partner Peter Fleming were disqualified for arriving late for men's doubles match. Fine broke down to $750 for being late and $2,750 for saying what he thought about the disqualification.

April 1987 - Fined $2,000 for time-wasting during match at WCT event in Dallas.

May 1987 - Fined $4,000 for walking off court during World Cup in Dusseldorf.

September 1987 - Suspended two months and fined $10,000 for various offenses at U.S. Open.

July 1988 - Warned for racket abuse during defeat against Australian Wally Masur at Wimbledon.

July 1989 - Australian John Fitzgerald, a fourth-round loser to McEnroe, accuses him of using tantrums to put off opponents.

January 1990 - Thrown out of Australian Open and fined $6,500 after receiving third warning for misbehavior against Mikael Pernfors.

April 1991 - McEnroe admits own behavior on court "sickens me" after receiving a code violation and point penalty during defeat by fellow American Todd Witsken in Hong Kong.

July 1991 - Fined $10,000 for swearing at linesman in Wimbledon loss against Stefan Edberg, picked up by television microphone.

Total fines - $69,500.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:31 pm

More evidence to prove the claim of sexism is a complete sham


A viewing of past bad behavior on court shows players -- both male and female -- losing points, being fined, and losing matches for bursts of temper and foul language.

At last year's French Open, Djokovic was docked a first serve and later given a warning for unsportsmanlike behavior for telling the same umpire "you're losing your mind," after a call Ramos made that infuriated the Serb.

American Jeff Tarango, unable to stop himself from responding to goading from the crowd during his 1995 Wimbledon match with German Alexander Mronz looked over at the stands and said: "Oh, shut up," earning him a code violation for an audible obscenity.

He argued with the umpire that his words couldn't be considered to be obscene, called for a supervisor to intervene, while telling the umpire: "You are the most corrupt official in the game and you can't do that."

After another code violation for verbal abuse, Tarango lost the match and stormed off the court.

During one US Open, Andre Agassi got a warning for an audible obscenity for something he was about to say as he approached the umpire, but thought better of it and started to walk away. After hearing the umpire penalize him, he called him a "son of a bitch." Play went on however, with no further remonstration from the chair.

There are myriad moments of racket abuse. Cypriot Marcos Baghdatis achieved eternal internet fame for an epic racket smash during the 2012 Australian Open. During a break he smashed four rackets in under a minute. He went on to lose the match and pay a $1,250 fine.

The International Tennis Federation sets out in its Code of Conduct what it considers violations. It defines unsportsmanlike behavior as "any misconduct by a player that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the Competition, the ITF or the sport of tennis."

Argentinian David Nalbandian was disqualified from the final of the Aegon Championship in 2005 after he kicked an advertising board which broke apart and injured the shin of a line judge. Association of Tennis Professionals (ATP) Supervisor Tom Barnes said he had little choice but to "declare an immediate default."

Other players who've defaulted a match through unruly behavior include Bulgarian Grigor Dimitrov, who destroyed three rackets during the final of the Istanbul Open against Argentine Diego Schwartzmann in 2016.

One of the most notable tennis players to ever default a match was John McEnroe. At the 1990 Australian Open he got his first warning for intimidating a lineswoman who called his ball out. He stood in front of her, bouncing a ball on his racket and staring her down.


Like I say, this is a good example of people excusing poor behaviour and even worse playing the sexist card to excuse that bad behaviour

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Post by Syl on Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:57 pm

Well after watching the video of her tantrum I think she got what she deserved.
Her coach was trying to coach her from the stands....which is what she was denying, he even said he was. ….so she was wrong from the start.

She then went on and on....calling the umpire sexist, a liar and a thief, flinging and breaking her racket (shades of McEnroe)....she over reacted, then used the race card, the sexist card, and finally did what so many women do when they are not getting their own way....she cried.
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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:00 pm

Syl wrote:Well after watching the video of her tantrum I think she got what she deserved.
Her coach was trying to coach her from the stands....which is what she was denying, he even said he was. ….so she was wrong from the start.

She then went on and on....calling the umpire sexist, a liar and a thief, flinging and breaking her racket (shades of McEnroe)....she over reacted, then used the race card, the sexist card, and finally did what so many women do when they are not getting their own way....she cried.
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Exactly and what sort of impression is that going to have on young tennis players?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:34 pm

Looking at the fines McEnroe got, and considering that was 30 years ago when such sums of money were worth a lot more and that there was a lot less money in sport than today, I think she got off extremely lightly...!



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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:43 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Looking at the fines McEnroe got, and considering that was 30 years ago when such sums of money were worth a lot more and that there was a lot less money in sport than today, I think she got off extremely lightly...!



And so do I. Another case of "celebrity" demanding more consideration and better treatment than the hoi-poloi.
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Post by Jules on Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:12 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Looking at the fines McEnroe got, and considering that was 30 years ago when such sums of money were worth a lot more and that there was a lot less money in sport than today,



I think she got off extremely lightly...!

Really?  

I see you are being your usual charitable self.

What would you consider good punishment - should she have been lynched KKK style?

Awarding an opponent a free point and then a free game is unprecedented in a grand slam final.

It happened at a pivotal point when the game could have gone either way.

She usually turns games around in the second set, she has done so hundreds of times.

Anyhow congratulations to Osaka for her win, her hard work & talent paid off.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:18 pm

Jules wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Looking at the fines McEnroe got, and considering that was 30 years ago when such sums of money were worth a lot more and that there was a lot less money in sport than today, I think she got off extremely lightly...!



Really?  

I see you are being your usual charitable self.

What do you consider good punishment - should she have been lynched KKK style?

Awarding an opponent a free point and then a free game is unprecedented in a grand slam semi-final.

It happened at a pivotal point when the game could have gone either way.

Anyhow congratulations to Osaka for her win.  Her hard work & talent paid off.

I think it was obvious what Tommy meant, that in light of the fact she received 1.85 million dollars from the tournament and that the fines John  received for the time. Means she got off lightly with small fines

If you read back people have received far worse and been disqualified. Some have defaulted the match by their behaviour

She was being outclassed and decided to have a tantrum

She did get off lightly and she is supposed to be role model

That is not how role models should act

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Post by Jules on Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:23 pm

Syl wrote:

Her coach was trying to coach her from the stands....which is what she was denying, he even said he was.

 ……. Rolling Eyes  

You are being stinkingly mean.

Her coach did admit to making a hand gesture but he admitted that she wasn't even looking when he made the gesture.

She did not deny that he might have made a hand sign, but she said that she wasn't looking at him at the time.

It has also emerged that this practice is absolutely rife in tennis and practised quite openly - some umpires ignore it and some penalise it.


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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:27 pm

Jules wrote:
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Her coach was trying to coach her from the stands....which is what she was denying, he even said he was.

 ……. Rolling Eyes  

You are being stinkingly mean.

Her coach did admit to making a hand gesture but he admitted that she wasn't even looking when he made the gesture.

She did not deny that he might have made a hand sign, but she said that she wasn't looking at him at the time.

It has also emerged that this practice is absolutely rife in tennis and practised quite openly - some umpires ignore it and penalise it.


It does not matter, as that is still breaking the rules Jules

So is having a tantrum throwing her racket and abusing the umpire

Well I have shown earlier that plenty of Tennis stars do actually get taken to task

This has nothing to do with sexism or racism, but someone who is clearly more annoyed at being outclassed by a far better player on the day

If the problem is inconsistancy with umpires, how is this one wrong for applying the rules?

The problem then is other umpires that are lax or a view should be to change the rule

Nothing though excuses the two other rules she broke

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Post by Jules on Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:33 pm

Of course she was  very wrong to loose her temper. 

But people do lose their temper when they feel an overwhelming sense of injustice. People are human, not robots.

It was nice that she recovered in time to congratulate Osaka on her great win. I liked that she did not take her anger out on Osaka.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:37 pm

Jules wrote:Of course she was  very wrong to loose her temper. 

But people do lose their temper when they feel an overwhelming sense of injustice. People are human, not robots.

It was nice that she recovered in time to congratulate Osaka on her great win. I liked that she did not take her anger out on Osaka.

I agree that people do lose their temper.

There is no excuse Jules with how she behaved

What she should of done is got on with the game, where in fact people are now talking about her and not the winner Osaka

I m glad she did the right thing at the end, but how she behaved was really poor

If things go wrong or against you, arguing back is only going to make that player emotionally compremised, which I think she ws in part already. As she was being outplayed. If she was winning and playing well, would she have reacted the same?

I very much doubt it

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Post by Jules on Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:39 pm

One year ago Miss Williams was fighting for her life after she had her baby.

Her husband did not know if she would survive.

She had blood clots and all sorts of dangerous medical complications, and needed SEVERAL BACK TO BACK operations over several days, while semiconscious.


She wanted to show that a hard working person can come from the brink of death and win medals.


It wasn't to be and maybe she will have better luck next time.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:42 pm

Jules wrote:One year ago Miss Williams was fighting for her life after she had her baby.

Her husband did not know if she would survive.

She had blood clots and all sorts of dangerous medical complications, and needed SEVERAL BACK TO BACK operations over several days, while semiconscious.


She wanted to show that a hard working person can come from the brink of death and win medals.


It wasn't to be and maybe she will have better luck next time.

Sorry, but what has that got to do with her behaviour?

I mean based on the above the right thing to do was to take the punishement and show she is hard working and try and win the game

Not have a tantrum

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Post by Jules on Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:43 pm

I've NO IDEA if sexism or racism was involved in this saga and I'm not getting dragged into discussing any of that tripe.

I've had my say.


Well done to Miss Williams on surviving all those emergency operations and well done to her for remembering to congratulate the winner, despite her upset.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:52 pm

Jules wrote:I've NO IDEA if sexism or racism was involved in this saga and I'm not getting dragged into discussing any of that tripe.

I've had my say.


Well done to Miss Williams on surviving all those emergency operations and well done to her for remembering to congratulate the winner, despite her upset.

Well I fail to see how there could be sexism or racism involved in a game between a Black woman and an Asian woman


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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:10 am

Smile

Whatever the reasons, most observers have agreed over the last couple of days that Serena did earn and deserved those fines, when everything balances out.

A few thousand 'keyboard warrior' militant feminists harping on about inequality across social media platforms won't change the facts..

I doubt that Serena's camp will put an appeal in, once they have a good look at the videos.


What I found a lot worse was that incessant 'boo-ing' from a few yobbo elements in the crowd -- were they unaware that they were at a tennis match, and not a football game ?

And it was Serena there at the presentation, telling those mindless fools to be quiet..

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:55 am

Serena was very unsporting and her antics threatened to over shadow the first Japanese single tennis champion in history. Good on Osaka for toppling Williams. I've always been a Serena fan, but her attitude here stunk. Tbh it is not the first time for her and other big players have behaved a bit premadonnaish in the past (even Federer used to complain endlessly when he too was the brink of breaking records).

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:01 am

Eilzel wrote:Serena was very unsporting and her antics threatened to over shadow the first Japanese single tennis champion in history. Good on Osaka for toppling Williams. I've always been a Serena fan, but her attitude here stunk. Tbh it is not the first time for her and other big players have behaved a bit premadonnaish in the past (even Federer used to complain endlessly when he too was the brink of breaking records).

So No(edit by didge Laughing)  sexism at all.


I agree and am astounded people are making these accusations of sexism, which has no bases at all.

There was no excuse for her behaviour and to me, like I said, this had more to do with her losing the game at this point and being outplayed.

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Post by gelico on Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:07 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote: Smile

Whatever the reasons, most observers have agreed over the last couple of days that Serena did earn and deserved those fines, when everything balances out.

A few thousand 'keyboard warrior' militant feminists harping on about inequality across social media platforms won't change the facts..

I doubt that Serena's camp will put an appeal in, once they have a good look at the videos.


What I found a lot worse was that incessant 'boo-ing' from a few yobbo elements in the crowd  --  were they unaware that they were at a tennis match, and not a football game ?

And it was Serena there at the presentation, telling those mindless fools to be quiet..


good post wolfie, i agree

but with regards to booing at football. i remember my dad telling me that when he was younger it was completely different, very few arguments with the ref and the crowd still used to clap and cheer (slightly) the other side if they scored just as courtesy and in the spirit of the game

we've all turned into nasty selfish spoilt brats it seems

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Post by Jules on Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:40 am

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Except in reality she was cheating 

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She cheated 

Whoaa  I would tone down these shrill taunts of ''cheat, cheat, cheat'' Didge. If not for the sake of legal reasons then at least for the sake of fairness.

Cos cheating usually means drug taking and that is one thing she has never been guilty of, despite being singled out for drug tests every two minutes.


I don't know if you can call someone a cheat if they played no part in it. She said she never saw it. The coach should be held responsible for his own actions.

She deserved her punishments for her tantrums, and she will not be able to challenge those in court.

But she just might go back and challenge the original 'crime' she was punished for (ie being allegedly coached) cos she says she played no part in it!

This perceived unfairness contributed heavily to her loss of temper.

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:45 am

Jules wrote:
Didge wrote:-
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Except in reality she was cheating 

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She cheated 

Whoaa  I would tone down these shrill taunts of ''cheat, cheat, cheat'' Didge. If not for the sake of legal reasons then at least for the sake of fairness.

Cos cheating usually means drug taking and that is one thing she has never been guilty of, despite being singled out for drug tests every two minutes.


I don't know if you can call someone a cheat if they played no part in it. She said she never saw it. The coach should be held responsible for his own actions.

She deserved her punishments for her tantrums, and she will not be able to challenge those in court.

But she just might go back and challenge the original 'crime' she was punished for (ie being allegedly coached) cos she says she played no part in it!

This perceived unfairness contributed heavily to her loss of temper.


She cheated and proceeded to break two further rules

That is not shrilling

Cheating means breaking the rules

Here she had her coach, coaching from the sideline. She then broke her racket and abuse the Umpire

She can go back all she likes and to me, this was all about her showing the worst sportswomanship going, by acting like a 2 year old. With again a view she was losing to a better player. She ruin the day for the winner here

I do not care what contributed to her loss of temper, every single tenniss player has used that poor excuse and it does not sit.

These players are supposed to be role models and then to poorly claim sexism, in a match between two women, is the worst acts of poor losing going

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Post by Jules on Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:56 am

Didge wrote:
Jules wrote:

Whoaa  I would tone down these shrill taunts of ''cheat, cheat, cheat'' Didge. If not for the sake of legal reasons then at least for the sake of fairness.

Cos cheating usually means drug taking and that is one thing she has never been guilty of, despite being singled out for drug tests every two minutes.


I don't know if you can call someone a cheat if they played no part in it. She said she never saw it. The coach should be held responsible for his own actions.

She deserved her punishments for her tantrums, and she will not be able to challenge those in court.

But she just might go back and challenge the original 'crime' she was punished for (ie being allegedly coached) cos she says she played no part in it!

This perceived unfairness contributed heavily to her loss of temper.


She cheated and proceeded to break two further rules

That is not shrilling

Cheating means breaking the rules

Here she had her coach, coaching from the sideline. She then broke her racket and abuse the Umpire

She can go back all she likes and to me, this was all about her showing the worst sportswomanship going, by acting like a 2 year old. With again a view she was losing to a better player. She ruin the day for the winner here

I do not care what contributed to her loss of temper, every single tenniss player has used that poor excuse and it does not sit.

These players are supposed to be role models and then to poorly claim sexism, in a match between two women, is the worst acts of poor losing going


Ooooer you sound like you're having a lil paddy of your own, kid. Suspect


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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:58 am

Jules wrote:
Didge wrote:


She cheated and proceeded to break two further rules

That is not shrilling

Cheating means breaking the rules

Here she had her coach, coaching from the sideline. She then broke her racket and abuse the Umpire

She can go back all she likes and to me, this was all about her showing the worst sportswomanship going, by acting like a 2 year old. With again a view she was losing to a better player. She ruin the day for the winner here

I do not care what contributed to her loss of temper, every single tenniss player has used that poor excuse and it does not sit.

These players are supposed to be role models and then to poorly claim sexism, in a match between two women, is the worst acts of poor losing going


Ooooer you sound like you're having a lil paddy of your own, kid.  Suspect  



So you do not or cannot answer my points and instead talk about me and make false aummptions, to score poor immature little points

So no point debating this further then with you

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Post by Jules on Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:03 pm

She has lost many previous matches with a broad smile on her face, not with a temper.

She has publicly comforted and hugged opponents who burst into tears.

If you think this incident should define her and cancel out all the good things she's done and achieved, KYO.

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:07 pm

Jules wrote:She has lost many previous matches with a broad smile on her face, not with a temper.

She has publicly comforted and hugged opponents who burst into tears.

If you think this incident should define her and cancel out all the good things she's done and achieved, KYO.


She has lost her temper in other matches

Nobody says this should take anything away from the brilliance of her games and wins

So gain a poor assumption made

The point is to be rightly critical and condemn her behaviour at these times in the game. Where this certainly comes from a sense of entitlement her behaviour

To even more condemn the false claims of sexism

To use this as an excuse for her behaviour is wrong and will only lead to others acting poor in furture Tennis games

If its seems to a be view that what she did was right, then others will do the same.

She acted like a poor bad loser in this game nd ruined the day for Oskana

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Post by Syl on Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:09 pm

Didge wrote:
Jules wrote:


Ooooer you sound like you're having a lil paddy of your own, kid.  Suspect  



So you do not or cannot answer my points and instead talk about me and make false aummptions, to score poor immature little points

So no point debating this further then with you

Thanks for your input

I agree with all your points in this thread Didge,  the video of the events of this match prove she was wrong from the start.

No point in Serena trying to look like a good loser after the event, her young opponent showed a lot more class than she did, good for her for battling through and not being thrown by her opponents spoiled and childish behaviour.


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Post by Vintage on Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:11 pm

Asbsolutely correct Gelico, I think almost everyone I knew watched sport on a Saturdays, whole families, either on the tv or at sports grounds, the arguing it all started to go ugly, big money, bigger egos, bad behaviour, I used to love watching Wimbledon, then came the arguing, flouncing and grunting eventually put me off, now I don't watch sport at all.

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:12 pm

Syl wrote:
Didge wrote:


So you do not or cannot answer my points and instead talk about me and make false aummptions, to score poor immature little points

So no point debating this further then with you

Thanks for your input

I agree with all your points in this thread Didge (which makes a change lately)  the video of the events of this match prove she was wrong from the start.

No point in Serena trying to look like a good loser after the event, her young opponent showed a lot more class than she did, good for her for battling through what many other players would have been put off by.


Laughing

Like Gelico and Wolf said, the crowd were appalling, where Oskana, certainly outplayed Serena

Like you said, it hardly makes up for her behaviour to then comnfort her, when she created all of this

Its not just in tennis, you see this in many sports and considering the pay these players receieve. Plus the fact they are looked up as role models, then they should learn to behave whilst playing sport.

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Post by Syl on Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:15 pm

People in sport at the top of their game are treated like A list celebrities now, I think many have such a sense of entitlement they lose track of where they came from and who they are.

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:16 pm

Syl wrote:People in sport at the top of their game are treated like A list celebrities now, I think many have such a sense of entitlement they lose track of where they came from and who they are.


100% agree

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Post by Jules on Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:50 pm

Syl wrote:People in sport at the top of their game are treated like A list celebrities now,


I think many have such a sense of entitlement they lose track of where they came from and who they are.


Meeeeeeeoow!  Laughing 

When some people shout, it's ''being assertive''
When some others shout, it's because they don't know their place, they've forgotten "where they came from"


Yes she came from downtown Compton, a poor neighbourhood.
This is exactly what the R wing press said about Meghan Markle. They claimed she came ''straight outta Compton"
Haha  lol!

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Post by Syl on Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:21 pm

Jules wrote:
Syl wrote:People in sport at the top of their game are treated like A list celebrities now,


I think many have such a sense of entitlement they lose track of where they came from and who they are.


Meeeeeeeoow!  Laughing 

When some people shout, it's ''being assertive''
When some others shout, it's because they don't know their place, they've forgotten "where they came from"


Yes she came from downtown Compton, a poor neighbourhood.
This is exactly what the R wing press said about Meghan Markle. They claimed she came ''straight outta Compton"
Haha  lol!

Your interpretation of the remark says more about your opinions than mine....but thanks for your input. Razz

Serena came from a close knit family and was coached by her dad from a very early age. Her family were not particularly poor, indeed her dad deliberately moved them to that neighbourhood so his daughters would toughen up and strive for better, they moved by necessity to a far better neighbourhood when Serena was still a kid and showing great promise in her tennis and needing better coaching.

Unfortunately many people forget where they came from when they are feted and surrounded by sycophants....meaning they forget their origins and family values.
And much as I like Meghan (red herring alert by you) it seems she also erased 'where she came from' from her mind, if the stories we read in the papers have any truth to them.....maybe with good reason though in her case. Wink

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Post by nicko on Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:59 pm

Big Arsed and big mouthed, should have been banned for a few months , teach her some manners !
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Post by Original Quill on Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:53 pm

Compton is part of South-Central Los Angeles, otherwise known as the black ghetto. The Watts riots were just to the north, along the Long Beach Freeway.


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Post by Original Quill on Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:55 pm

nicko wrote:Big Arsed and big mouthed,  should have been banned for a few months ,   teach her some manners !

Yeeah...some niggahs can be uppity, can't they nicko?  Rolling Eyes   They outta remember where they came from.  Wink

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:03 pm

nicko wrote:Big Arsed and big mouthed,  should have been banned for a few months ,   teach her some manners !


She is certainly gobby and prone to having countless paddies smashing her racket

I mean to me she has gotten away with far more than John Mac ever did

This woman has the worst sense of entittlement. The more I watch her behaviour, the more she seems like a petulant brat and bad loser


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Post by Guest on Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:35 am

As the now famous umpire Carlos Ramos prepared for his first match since the controversial US Open final, a new set of figures showed that men have received almost three times as many code violations as women in the past 20 years of grand-slam events.

Ramos was due to officiate on Friday in the Davis Cup match between Croatia and the United States in Zadar. On Thursday, a photo circulated of him in conversation with Katrina Adams, president of the US Tennis Association, who had been quick to support Serena Williams’s claims of sexist discrimination.

According to one reporter on the scene, Adams was overheard making an apology.

In a TV interview the day after the final, Adams told the ESPN tennis panel that “There’s no equality”.

But her claims were soon undermined by statistics showing that there were 86 code violations handed out to male players at the US Open, and only 22 to women. Now, a more detailed analysis of the past 20 years of grand-slam events has revealed a long-term split of 1,534 to 526.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2018/09/13/carlos-ramos-returns-chair-serena-williams-row-statistics-back/

So all the hype about sexism, was nothing more than a smokescreen to excuse Serena's toddler tantrum behaviour

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Post by nicko on Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:36 am

Quill, your racist, I never made any mention of her colour, why did you ?
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