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Post by Original Quill on Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:44 pm

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Newshub wrote:Texas cop enters wrong house, shoots man dead
08/09/2018

A Texas police officer returning home from work walked into the wrong apartment and shot the occupant dead, believing it was her own place.

The officer called dispatch to report that she had shot the man Thursday night, Dallas police said.

She told responding officers she believed the victim's apartment was her own when she entered it.

The responding officers administered first aid to the victim, whom the Dallas County medical examiner's office identified as 26-year-old Botham Jean, a native of the Caribbean island country of St Lucia who attended college in Arkansas and worked for accounting and consulting firm PwC.

Mr Jean, who was black, was taken to a hospital and pronounced dead.

Police haven't released the name or race of the officer, who arrived home in-uniform and wasn't injured. She will be placed on administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation, police said.

Authorities haven't said how the officer got into Mr Jean's home, or whether his door was open or unlocked. The apartment complex is just a few blocks from Dallas' police headquarters.

At a Friday morning news conference, Sgt Warren Mitchell acknowledged there are many questions about what happened that he couldn't answer.

"We still have a lot to do in this investigation. So there's a lot of information I understand you guys want but this is all we can give you at this time," Mitchell said.

When asked if anyone else had witnessed the shooting, Warren replied, "We have not spoken to anyone else at this time."

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So now they are breaking into private homes and killing innocent residents?

And why won't the Dallas Police release the name of the cop? (Authorities identify the cop as female, tho they won't identify by name)  They release names in every other criminal report.  What are the they trying to cover up?

Why did they wait for the responding police to administer first aid?  If the killer was a proper policeman, as alleged, why did the cop let the guy die?  Why no immediate first aid?  Did she know the guy?  Did she want him dead?  Smells like rotten fish in Texas.

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Post by Guest on Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:23 am

So I guess Quill does not want to take on my points, which is a shame

I shall leave the forum open to others, if they wish to take up the many points I raised, that Quill was unable to answer.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:26 am

Didge wrote:So I guess Quill does not want to take on my points, which is a shame

I shall leave the forum open to others, if they wish to take up the many points I raised, that Quill was unable to answer.

I have answered all your points. You have nothing left to say.

I win. Let's go home. Laughing

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Post by Guest on Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:27 am

Open for others to answer

So i am going to put a test to everyone here.

Only one case has aroused such anger when someone white was shot

And she happened to be a woman an Asutralian in the US.

Why?

There has been 278 people classed as white and 98 classed as hispanic shot by the Police in 2018

Why is it that not one has, bar the Australian woman, caused as much outrage and media attention, unless the individual shot is black?

I mean surely the view point on either Police incompetance or Police brutality or racism. Why is never the same rule applied to white and latino people shot by the Police and only black people?

So when people say thought process. There is in fact no process at all. What we have is a situation as to what can incense people and how the media can manipulate a certain situation. To the point that it becomes near impossible to have a fair trial. As when the person shot is black, the media hold a line, that they would never hold towards white or latino people shot by the Police.

In other words, shootings are held to account and judges not by due process, but by the media.

That is seriously wrong.

Whilst I do not discount the raicst problems in the us or even shootings by the Police that clearly were racial. But the moment people declare the Police continually as racist in any shooting of a black person as racist. Then there is no thought process. There is only emotional thought process and denies any rational thinking.

There is no doubt in my mind some black people have been executed by the Police. Yet in no situation does this even enter the mind when the person shot is white or Latino. Which shows how badly racism has effected people.

Every case should be looked at indidually and not collectivelly based on the colour of the skin of those shot.

What causes this problem and pontentially a higher risk of people possible being shot. Is again the high numbers of crimes in the US, that leads to fear in cops facing a criminal situation. Plus th fact many are clearly poorly trained and tha some should never be given licence to carry firearms.

Its the entire US system and its warped gun ho attitude on guns, with also a massive problem with relative poverty that is leading to people ending up killed in confrontations with the Police.Espcially when US cops are also killed in the line of duty.

People never question how in reality there is millions of police arrests and confrontations with US cops each year. To me, its incredible that there is not more people shot in fear, panic etc in such confrontaional situations. Because the reality is, you can never factor the fear factor and adrenaline, that an officer may feel facing a given situation.

That means the US cops need to stop training cops on diet of cop killing videoes, that lead them into a view to fear many situations

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:40 pm

Once again, this story is in the news.  The Dallas PD is trying to smear the victim, claiming they found a 1/2 oz of marijuana in the victim's home.

These days marijuana is legal in many states, and 1/2 oz is laughable.  But the more pertinent question is, what were the Dallas PD doing executing a search warrant on the victim's home?  How many victims do you know that are treated like the subject of a crime?

Continuing questions reveal that Officer Guyger is still on paid vacation, even though being indicted on Manslaughter.  Damn...good job, eh?  But they say she would have got a $1-million payout for 3 or more victims.  Keep at it, Amber.

It has been learned that she occupied the apartment immediately below Mr. Jean. The neighbors have been re-interviewed and the persist in claiming that someone was pounding and shouting on Mr. Jean's door just before the murder. Guyger says that she has never seen or met Mr. Jean, but authorities have fund the computer records of the pass keys, which might reveal that Ofc. Guyger entered here own apartment before going upstairs to Mr. Jeans.

Ofc. Guyger has been caught in many lies. First, she claimed she entered Mr. Jean's apartment, claiming the door was ajar. Then It was pointed out that the door is a fire door, and would immediately close if ajar. Then she claimed she used her cey. But her key wouldn't fit another apartment. Then she claimed he let her in, which would verify the pounding the neighbors heard, but would contradict her story of seeing a shadowy figure in the hall, which naturally impelled her to draw and shoot.

This little girl is quite busy, from running from apartment to apartment, so making up stories to cover her ass. FCS...let her enjoy her paid vacation.


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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:45 pm

Original Quill wrote:Once again, this story is in the news.  The Dallas PD is trying to smear the victim, claiming they found a 1/2 oz of marijuana in the victim's home.

These days marijuana is legal in many states, and 1/2 oz is laughable.  But the more pertinent question is, what were the Dallas PD doing executing a search warrant on the victim's home?  How many victims do you know that are treated like the subject of a crime?

Continuing questions reveal that Officer Guyger is still on paid vacation, even though being indicted on Manslaughter.  Damn...good job, eh?  But they say she would have got a $1-million payout for 3 or more victims.  Keep at it, Amber.

How are facts smearing?

Of course its blatantly obvious they would use a warrant to search to find out if there is any connection between the officer and the victim. That is just basic common sense

They found 10.4 grams of marijuana , which is about a handful of weed, which is substancial

I do not have anything against people personally using drugs.

Many people smoke weed, so what, how is that then smearing if its legal in many states?

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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:54 pm

You can read the actual search warrant on here

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/dallas/article218411020.html

This is simple normal policy after a shooting

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:58 pm

Ben, a follow-up on what the computer records reveal about the use of her door key, will show which version of her lies were lies, and which one was the truth.

Sounds like there might have been some prior complaint she started a dispute over, and she ran upstairs to kill the guy.

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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:00 pm

Original Quill wrote:Ben, a follow-up on what the computer records reveal about the use of her door key, will show which version of her lies were lies, and which one was the truth.

Sounds like there might have been some prior complaint she started a dispute over, and she ran upstairs to kill the guy.


lol, I see the conspiracies are out in force on this

Nobody claimed she ran up any stairs

Her car was parked on the same floor, as the victims flat

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:01 pm

Didge wrote:You can read the actual search warrant on here

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/dallas/article218411020.html

This is simple normal policy after a shooting

lol!   No...it's not normal to treat a victim as a suspect.  They were looking for details to construct a cover story.

Why else swear out a warrant asking to search for narcotics? The issue is murder. WTF...does narcotics have to do with her lying stories.


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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:03 pm

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Didge wrote:You can read the actual search warrant on here

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/dallas/article218411020.html

This is simple normal policy after a shooting

lol!   No...it's not normal to treat a victim as a suspect.  They were looking for details to construct a cover story.


They never treated him as a suspect

I suggest you read the warrant

So you are saying the Police should never investigate a crime scene and that they should not need a warrant to do so with a private residence?

And you claim to be a Lawyer and a Judge?


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Post by Original Quill on Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:09 pm

Didge wrote:They never treated him as a suspect

Then why ask for a warrant for narcotics?

Think more about the situation, and less about excuses for 'your side'. The Dallas PD story is ridiculous.

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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:12 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:They never treated him as a suspect

Then why ask for a warrant for narcotics?

Think more about the situation, and less about excuses for 'your side'.  The Dallas PD story is ridiculous.


Its an investigation to garner evidence, hence why the warrant was issued

As its a crime scence and all factors maybe relevant

Maybe she was his drug dealer, who knows, but it could be vitally important to uncovering what did actually occur on the night.

Again a warrant is needed to investigate a private residence that is a crime scene

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:20 pm

Evidence of what crime??  Read the US Constitution, Amendment IV:

US Constitution wrote:...no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

You can't state probable cause without declaring what crime is at issue.  After all, probable cause for what?

The fact that you don't know that shows you are just reaching for anything to absolve your party.  Your approach to due process of law leaves something to be desired.  Pray, don't ever come to America.

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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:23 pm

Original Quill wrote:Evidence of what crime??  Read the US Constitution, Amendment IV:

US Constitution wrote:...no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

You can't state probable cause without declaring what crime is at issue.  After all, probable cause for what?

The fact that you don't know that shows you are just reaching for anything to absolve your party.  Your approach to due process of law leaves something to be desired.  Pray, don't ever come to America.

You do not offer a link and we both know why, because you left out some very important information

Care to post and look very silly?

Someone was shot and died did they not?

You claim it was murder, I claim manslaughter

The view is to find out what was the cause

Doh

So you are absolutely talking nonsense and why I do not buy many things that you claim Quill and this is proving this glaringly

Now are claiming that when a person has been shot, its not a crime scence?

Yes or no?

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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:29 pm

I mean how else where they able to obtain the shell casings fired by the officer, if not by a warrant Quill.



So spare me your attempts to distort the fourth ammendment

lol!

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:44 pm

Didge wrote:You do not offer a link and we both know why, because you left out some very important information

You don't know the US Constitution?  How embarrassing, particularly since I literally quoted it.  What's to verify?  

Besides, you can google it, anytime, anywhere.

Very sad performance, didge.

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Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:You do not offer a link and we both know why, because you left out some very important information

You don't know the US Constitution?  How embarrassing, particularly since I literally quoted it.  What's to verify?  

Besides, you can google it, anytime, anywhere.

Very sad performance, didge.


I love this

So you are saying, that the shell casings are not worthy evidence and that a warrant is not necessary to obtain them in a shooting?

This is how you expose someone who claims to be a Lawyer

Watch this space

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Didge wrote:So you are saying, that the shell casings are not worthy evidence and that a warrant is not necessary to obtain them in a shooting?

Exactly. The bullet casings were picked up as a part of the crime scene investigation, although they were probably also listed in the return of warrant just to be safe.

So, why go back to get a warrant after a CSI? They were looking for something extra, eh? Perhaps something to make the victim look bad??

We saw this in the Treyvon Martin murder and again in the Michael Brown murder. And again, when South Carolina cop, Michael Slager, murdered Walter Scott, don't you remember Slager ran back toward where the initial scuffle occurred and picked his taser up off the ground, moments later dropping the Taser beside Scott's body? He was staging the crime scene.

Despite the fact that the victim is dead, with these racially tinged murders you go looking for something/anything incriminating to besmirch the victim, to taint him so as to make him appear 'not so innocent'. It's called smearing the victim.


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Original Quill wrote:So you are saying, that the shell casings are not worthy evidence and that a warrant is not necessary to obtain them in a shooting?


I never claimed they were not worthy. They are an importance piece of evidence

I asked you, how could they be obtained without a warrant?

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Original Quill wrote:So you are saying, that the shell casings are not worthy evidence and that a warrant is not necessary to obtain them in a shooting?


I never claimed they were not worthy. They are an importance piece of evidence

I asked you, how could they be obtained without a warrant?

That was my quote of you, beginning my response.  The screen went blank and when it came back, forumotion treated it as the post, missing the quote function.

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Post by Jules on Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:12 am

Brief update please!
What's the story so far, investigation-wise?

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:57 am

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Didge wrote:


I never claimed they were not worthy. They are an importance piece of evidence

I asked you, how could they be obtained without a warrant?

That was my quote of you, beginning my response.  The screen went blank and when it came back, forumotion treated it as the post, missing the quote function.

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All I see is you tying yourself up in knots and proving you have never been a lawyer or judge

Quite remarkable how you managed to do this all by yourself

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:18 am

Jules wrote:Brief update please!
What's the story so far, investigation-wise?

She's charged with only voluntary manslaughter, which assumes no malice aforethought. She claims she thought the apartment was her's, and when she entered the apartment she encountered someone she thought was a burglar and shot him.

However, neighbors say she was shouting to someone inside, and that would suggest that she knew the person inside. If she knew the person inside, it wasn't a case of mistaken apartment. That means something more was going on than just being at a wrong address.

If she knowingly shot an unarmed person, whom she knew was inside, there is more to her story. At a minimum, she knew it wasn't her apartment, so why the lie? And if she knew who was inside, what's the story behind the relationship? Why was she at that apartment, demanding entry? What is it she's not telling us about a murder she admittedly committed?

The Dallas PD just wants to cover up a crime by one of it's own (despite an indictment, she's still on the payroll). But America want's answers. What was she doing there, and why did she have to commit murder?

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:21 am

Well the view on one neighbour claiming her shouting is easily explain by the Police officers claim, that she shouted to the victim to identify themselves.

Not sure why that is so difficult to understand

Also, this witness, simple heeard people

That does not mean this came from this situation, but from any other flat

See how people decide they think they know what they have heard and then decide to make it fit?

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:31 am

Didge wrote:Well the view on one neighbour claiming her shouting is easily explain by the Police officers claim, that she shouted to the victim to identify themselves.

The claim of the neighbor was that the police officer was shouting 'open up, let me in.'  No neighbor said she was asking for him to identify himself.  A witness says Ofc. Guyger simply demanded to be let in:

Inside Edition wrote:“There are witnesses who said that before the gunshots, they heard the officer knocking at the door and repeatedly saying, ‘Let me in,’..."

https://www.insideedition.com/botham-jean-shooting-familys-attorney-claims-witnesses-contradict-amber-guygers-account-46735

So, why didn't she ask who he was, and why he was in the apartment, instead of demanding entry and blazing away?  She could have cleared it up without the gun.  Instead she goes in firing her weapon, with nary a question.  She really deserves the death penalty, which Texas is so fond of dishing out.

If you think the facts are different, provide the precise quote and cite the source below, as I have done.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:47 am

So we have people who claimed to have heard but not seen

In other wordds, did they hear the officer or someone else?

Which if she was knocking, then the view would be she must have known him. Which as seen does not have any evidence what so ever.

Hence how realible is that witness claim

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:28 pm

Didge wrote:So we have people who claimed to have heard but not seen

In other wordds, did they hear the officer or someone else?

Which if she was knocking, then the view would be she must have known him. Which as seen does not have any evidence what so ever.

Hence how realible is that witness claim

Stop being evasive.  We are beyond knowing she knew someone was inside; the question is, why was she not asking him to identify himself or what he was doing?   If this were all due to her mistaking his apartment for her's, that would have cleared things up.

It's not just that they were speaking, but why wasn't she following protocol?  Until we get answers to that, we don't really know what she was up to.  If cops were able to assume crimes, weapons free, half the population of Texas would be dead.  Quite clearly, she didn’t care about who he was, or why he was there--she wanted to shoot.  It draws into question whether she was up to something more than just a mistaken apartment.

I asked you to substantiate your claim as to her questions, and you didn't...clearly, you can't.  We know witnesses heard her yelling, Let me in...  So, we're back to square one: why wasn't she following her training?  What was she up to that led to the murder of an innocent man?

She should be charged with intentional homicide, and let her come back with corroborating evidence of her stuporous claim of error.  At this point, it’s her obligation to convince us that reduced charges are appropriate..  After all, a man is dead and she has yet to claim any reasonable fear of injury or death from him, to herself or others.  Yet, she pulled the trigger and took a life.

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Post by Jules on Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:36 am

Similar theme except that this time the woman is unarmed. Otherwise it may have been an identical story.



This lady PHYSICALLY blocks entry to a man entering his own flat cos his …..erm ….. face did not fit.  Wink  



His pithy replies plus his grace under fire impressed me totally, awwwesome!    >


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Post by Original Quill on Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:31 pm

Jules wrote:Similar theme except that this time the woman is unarmed. Otherwise it may have been an identical story.

Yes, she's dubbed "Hallway Hilary".  It occurred in Missouri...like Oklahoma, a borderline southern state.

The problem might begin with the building management.  A similar thing happened in my office building in San Francisco: the management told everyone who worked in the building on weekends not to let people in without keys.

Realizing the position this put my employees in, I told them (employees) to ignore the instruction.  Then I wrote the building management that if they want to employ security guards at their doors, fine.  But don't try to extort free labor from my employees by instructing them to guard entrances to the building...it was not their job.  I threatened to report them to the Department of Labor for wage and hour violations.  They promptly rescinded the policy.

When I saw this story I immediately thought this might be a similar situation, where building management tried to extort guard services from residents.  It's a wonderful class-action lawsuit, and were I not so busy I might pursue it.

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Post by Syl on Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:50 pm

Jules wrote:Similar theme except that this time the woman is unarmed. Otherwise it may have been an identical story.



This lady PHYSICALLY blocks entry to a man entering his own flat cos his …..erm ….. face did not fit.  Wink  



His pithy replies plus his grace under fire impressed me totally, awwwesome!    >


That made my blood boil. The entitlement that woman thought she had over him for the simple reason she is white and he is black.
I honestly cannot see this happening in the UK. In case I was somehow out of touch with todays climate I just watched this with my 18 year old grandson, he was as appalled as I was.

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