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Post by Original Quill on Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:44 pm

Newshub wrote:Texas cop enters wrong house, shoots man dead
08/09/2018

A Texas police officer returning home from work walked into the wrong apartment and shot the occupant dead, believing it was her own place.

The officer called dispatch to report that she had shot the man Thursday night, Dallas police said.

She told responding officers she believed the victim's apartment was her own when she entered it.

The responding officers administered first aid to the victim, whom the Dallas County medical examiner's office identified as 26-year-old Botham Jean, a native of the Caribbean island country of St Lucia who attended college in Arkansas and worked for accounting and consulting firm PwC.

Mr Jean, who was black, was taken to a hospital and pronounced dead.

Police haven't released the name or race of the officer, who arrived home in-uniform and wasn't injured. She will be placed on administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation, police said.

Authorities haven't said how the officer got into Mr Jean's home, or whether his door was open or unlocked. The apartment complex is just a few blocks from Dallas' police headquarters.

At a Friday morning news conference, Sgt Warren Mitchell acknowledged there are many questions about what happened that he couldn't answer.

"We still have a lot to do in this investigation. So there's a lot of information I understand you guys want but this is all we can give you at this time," Mitchell said.

When asked if anyone else had witnessed the shooting, Warren replied, "We have not spoken to anyone else at this time."

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So now they are breaking into private homes and killing innocent residents?

And why won't the Dallas Police release the name of the cop? (Authorities identify the cop as female, tho they won't identify by name)  They release names in every other criminal report.  What are the they trying to cover up?

Why did they wait for the responding police to administer first aid?  If the killer was a proper policeman, as alleged, why did the cop let the guy die?  Why no immediate first aid?  Did she know the guy?  Did she want him dead?  Smells like rotten fish in Texas.

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Post by eddie on Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:12 pm

Get rid of guns. Simple.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:15 pm

eddie wrote:Get rid of guns. Simple.

But you know they'll make an exception for police. And here we go again...

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Post by eddie on Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:18 pm

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eddie wrote:Get rid of guns. Simple.

But you know they'll make an exception for police.  And here we go again...

Yep. So get rid of guns. Simple.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:25 pm

eddie wrote:
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But you know they'll make an exception for police.  And here we go again...

Yep. So get rid of guns. Simple.

Dream on... You don't know America.

And with cops, they'll think themselves to be justified.

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Post by eddie on Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:53 pm

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eddie wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

But you know they'll make an exception for police.  And here we go again...

Yep. So get rid of guns. Simple.

Dream on...  You don't know America.

And with cops, they'll think themselves to be justified.

What do you think of guns, Quill? In your own words and opinions.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:05 pm

I like the British attitude.

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Post by eddie on Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:13 pm

Original Quill wrote:I like the British attitude.

Yes me too.
Of course, we have a huge problem with knife crime here, but guns are just unnecessary and really, a major problem in the whole world.

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Post by Vintage on Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:52 pm

She must have been extremely tired or are the appartments so similar inside she couldn't tell her own place from someone elses?Another thing how did her key work in someone elses apartment lock?

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Post by eddie on Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:04 pm

Vintage wrote:She must have been extremely tired or are the appartments so similar inside she couldn't tell her own place from someone elses?Another thing how did her key work in someone elses apartment lock?

Oy oy Miss Marple! cheers

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:36 pm

There are a lot of rumors out there ... juiciest one I heard to day was that they were actually dating (the cop and the victim).

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Post by Vintage on Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:23 am

Crime of passion then?

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Post by eddie on Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:08 am

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:There are a lot of rumors out there ... juiciest one I heard to day was that they were actually dating (the cop and the victim).

Woah. Any uodates on that Mr Journalist? What’s your guy on the street sayin’? Suspect

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:16 am

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:There are a lot of rumors out there ... juiciest one I heard to day was that they were actually dating (the cop and the victim).

That was the first speculation that came to me.  You don't forget where your home is.  That, and the key.  And the gun...FCS, assuming she thought it was her place, you don't enter your own home firing away, even if there is someone there.  Suppose it was the super, to fix that bathroom leak?

Either the Dallas Police are the most poorly trained cops in the world, or they are hiding something, trying to think of a good cover story.

I hope the victim's mother continues to make noise.  On Good Morning America, this morning, they reported the victim was a pastor in his church.  Someone needs to get to the bottom of this.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:30 pm

More on the story:

The cop's name is Amber Guyger.  She is no rookie...3 - 4  years on the Dallas Police Force.  She is a white woman in her late-20's or early-30's.  The victim is black.

For the same reasons I listed yesterday, the Dallas Police stopped protecting her and relinquished jurisdiction to the Texas Rangers (effectively, the state police).

Now some simple, common sense:

One doesn't lose one's place of residence!  She had lived in the apartment complex for a number of weeks--enough to acclimate.  That excuse is preposterous.

Moreover, apartments may look alike, but there are numbers on the door, FCS.  So she was in no way "accidentally" walking into the wrong place.  Once inside, even if the floor plan is the same, the furniture is different, and arranged in different ways.  One would immediately recognize the difference.

There are keys, made just to prevent unlawful entry of uninvited wanderers and casual burglars.  No way she would have gained entry without burglar tools, or a duplicate key.

Wrong home.  Door lock breached.  Different decor. This was no accident.  This was an assassination.  There are only two questions: (1) what is the back story; and (2) will the Texas authorities pursue it, given that it is a white killing a black in a southern jurisdiction?  A female on a male, no less?  And a cop...they always get off.

Oh, and she's on paid vacation (administrative leave).

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:15 pm

Arrow

It is Texas...

She breaks into someone's home and executes him..

They should give her a lethal injection, if they uphold Texas law.

And, I would expect Tommy, gelico and Raggamuffin all to be supporting her possible death sentence, going on their previous stances on home invasions..

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:27 pm

Texas is notorious for it's executions.  But those are blacks, for the most part.

Certainly not whites, when the victim is black, and never cops...no matter how absurd the circumstances.

What the Dallas Police were angling for was a charge of manslaughter or even reckless homicide, based upon that phony story. However, it's too obvious that it was a planned, calculated murder.

We'll see if the Texas Rangers are any better at their job.

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Post by eddie on Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:21 pm

Definitely a very odd and ultimately unbelievable story.

Perhaps she was paid to kill him? If so, they could’ve come up with a better story than that.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:41 pm

Always remember, the Dallas Police were the organization that allowed a president to be murdered right under their nose, and then allowed his murderer to be murdered...while in custody, no less.

Old joke: What happened when the cops saw a herd of elephants thundering over the hill.

Ans: Nothing...it was the Dallas Police.


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Post by eddie on Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:42 pm

Quill, you don’t have to convince me of corruption in high places.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:44 pm

eddie wrote:Quill, you don’t have to convince me of corruption in high places.

It's just, I was looking for a convenient place to insert that joke. It was funnier back in 1964. Wink

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eddie wrote:Quill, you don’t have to convince me of corruption in high places.

It's just, I was looking for a convenient place to insert that joke.  It was funnier back in 1964. Wink


Hahahahahaha it was a good joke but this post was funnier, somehow.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:20 pm

lol!

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Post by Vintage on Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:04 am

This could be very interesting. How much twisting and lying will it take to get this woman off this pretty obvious murder charge.
We have rows of terraced houses around here that look identical except for window frame and door colour, and numbers on the doors, its really easy when you are tired from a day's work to go to the wrong house, I mean everyone has the same key - don't they?

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Vintage wrote:This could be very interesting. How much twisting and lying will it take to get this woman off this pretty obvious murder charge.
We have rows of terraced houses around here that look identical except for window frame and door colour, and numbers on the doors, its really easy when you are tired from a day's work to go to the wrong house, I mean everyone has the same key - don't they?

I know...what gets me is, who decorates their home the same?  Were her excuse genuine, she would have known the instant she entered the wrong apartment that something was not right.  The carpet was the wrong color.  The sofa was in the wrong place.  All manner of things to give her a clue.  Yet, as soon as she enters, she's blazing away with her service firearm, killing everyone in sight.  Clearly, this was an assassination.

The almost bigger crime is the Dallas Police Department thinking we would be stupid enough to fall for that.

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An American police officer who says she mistook her neighbour's apartment for her own when she fatally shot him has been arrested on a manslaughter charge.

Amber Guyger was booked into the Kaufman County Jail, in Dallas, Texas, after being taken into custody on Sunday over the off-duty shooting.

She was later released on bond, having posting a £232,000 ($300,000) bail, according to reports.

Ms Guyger fatally shot 26-year-old Botham Jean at the victim's apartment, having mistakenly entered the flat thinking it was her own.

The 30-year-old, who has been on the force for four years, now faces a possible manslaughter charge over the shooting late on Thursday.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/10/texas-police-officer-faces-manslaughter-charge-wrong-flat-fatal/

Seems like the correct decision to me

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Didge wrote:Seems like the correct decision to me

This is the after-story, after so much outrage over the Dallas Police Department's hiding the assassin’s identity and inventing false stories to cover up premeditated murder!

It seems these days all you have to do is make up a story to put the patina of justice on something.  Why not argue--oh say, a UFO came down and made me do it.  All of a sudden there are two sides to the story, and so its a controversy... never mind that it’s ridiculous.  As Trump said, He denies it!

Here are the known facts: a white cop walks into the home of a black male, sees him, and shoots him.  Now I ask, if a black man had walked into a white woman's home and shot her forthwith ...would he be facing only manslaughter charges?  You know how Texas loves the death penalty...it would be premeditated murder, with a cherry on the top.

There is no way this cop didn't know: (1) she was in the wrong home; (2) she didn't belong there; and (3) she was there to execute the resident.  This is a hanging offense.

The Dallas Police have stumbled and bumbled their way along, pretending they are idiots.  They are not idiots.  The authorities are trying to whitewash the facts to cover up for the hit-man...or woman, as it is.  This was an intentional, purposeful act...not some random, accidental incident.  The story they wish you to believe is cover-up.

This is legitimate in southern eyes, because they believe that the people do not have a right to know.  It's the same story as the police murder of Sandra Bland, also occurring in Texas.  In other words, these people don't believe in democracy and American rights.  Does anyone, in real America, want such people to be in charge of their political and legal lives?

God bless the south.  Untie the mooring lines and let the current take 'em.

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Didge wrote:Seems like the correct decision to me

This is the after-story, after so much outrage over the Dallas Police Department's hiding the assassin’s identity and inventing false stories to cover up premeditated murder!

It seems these days all you have to do is make up a story to put the patina of justice on something.  Why not argue--oh say, a UFO came down and made me do it.  All of a sudden there are two sides to the story, and so its a controversy... never mind that it’s ridiculous.  As Trump said, He denies in!

Here are the known facts: a white cop walks into the home of a black male, sees him, and shoots him.  Now I ask, if a black man had walked into a white woman's home and shot her forthwith ...would he be facing only manslaughter charges?  You know how Texas loves the death penalty...it would be premeditated murder, with a cherry on the top.

There is no way this cop didn't know: (1) she was in the wrong home; (2) she didn't belong there; and (3) she was there to execute the resident.  This is a hanging offense.

The Dallas Police have stumbled and bumbled their way along, pretending they are idiots.  They are not idiots.  The authorities are trying to whitewash the facts to cover up for the hit-man...or woman, as it is.  This was an intentional, purposeful act...not some random, accidental incident.  The story they wish you to believe is cover-up.

This is legitimate in southern eyes, because they believe that the people do not have a right to know.  It's the same story as Sandra Bland, also occurring in Texas.  In other words, these people don't believe in democracy and American rights.  Does anyone want such people to be in charge of their political and legal lives?

God bless the south.  Untie the mooring lines and let the current take 'em.

What false stories?

You mean media stories, which is common after such events?

I mean Ben posted an article about a trainning camp and it was days later, before more information was provided

There is no evidence here of racism

None and yet you have decided to interject this into the story yourself and off zero evidence

You are only doing so off a complete bias and distain you have for an entire Police force who daily serve and protect people

That is astounding how you make such claims and again its based off this identity politics mentality

We know a cop has walked into the wrong appartment, clearly thinking it was her own and thinking an intruder was there.

That is the claim, there could be more reasons, were they lovers, had they had previous arguments, it could very well be racism, but as yet not enough details are known. Who knows, but your immediate preposition, is racism, again not based off a single shred of evidence but a view somehow all Americans are racist

Nothing is being whitewashed as she has been charged with Manslaughter. You again offer no evidence again to showe this is being covered up, but again a percieved bias against the Police

You never hold any case to a single standard

Now one thing is known is that the Dallas Police are less inclined to be trigger happy with Black people

In shootings in these 10 cities involving officers, officers were more likely to fire their weapons without having first been attacked when the suspects were white. Black and white civilians involved in police shootings were equally likely to have been carrying a weapon. Both results undercut the idea of racial bias in police use of lethal force.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html

Now unless you have real evidence, all the above you posted is sheer opinion and nothing else

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:17 pm

Maybe Quill you think the Dallas Police chief is behind a cover up, even though the investigation was handed over to the Texas Rangers.

So are you calling this woman a liar Quill and covering up a crime based on racism?


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Post by Original Quill on Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:34 pm

Didge wrote:Maybe Quill you think the Dallas Police chief is behind a cover up, even though the investigation was handed over to the Texas Rangers.

So are you calling this woman a liar Quill and covering up a crime based on racism?


Dallas Police Chief Ulysha Renee Hall

That woman is a political appointee. She is in her position as a result of tokenism. You're not very well versed in Republican tactics, are you?

The Dallas Police Department is as white as can be. Take a look at the real brass:


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Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:Maybe Quill you think the Dallas Police chief is behind a cover up, even though the investigation was handed over to the Texas Rangers.

So are you calling this woman a liar Quill and covering up a crime based on racism?


Dallas Police Chief Ulysha Renee Hall

That woman is a political appointee.  She is in her position as a result of tokenism.  You're not very well versed in Republican tactics, are you?

The Dallas Police Department is as white as can be.  Take a look at the real brass:


So you are demeaning her now

wow

Again where is your evidence that she has not risen to this position through excellence and hard work?

Again why would she cover anything up?

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:02 pm

Didge wrote:Again why would she cover anything up?

Because she entered a private residence, knowing it wasn't her own, and murdered the black resident. She obviously knew it wasn't her apartment. And, if you are a properly trained cop, you don't start by shooting, saving questions for later.

There is a back-story to this story. It's that back-story that is of interest to the people. Is this organized crime in Dallas? Was this a loan-sharker seeking redemption? Is it simple racism?

These questions are raised because the front story is not believable. As I said above, you might as well blame in on UFO's, as ask people to believe she didn't know she was in a strange apartment, and firing away with no cause. It's not credible. Hence, why the authorities don't want to present it to a jury.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:10 pm

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Didge wrote:Again why would she cover anything up?

Because she entered a private residence, knowing it wasn't her own, and murdered the black resident.  She obviously knew it wasn't her apartment.  And, if you are a properly trained cop, you don't start by shooting, saving questions for later.

There is a back-story to this story.  It's that back-story that is of interest to the people.  Is this organized crime in Dallas?  Was this a loan-sharker seeking redemption?  Is it simple racism?

These questions are raised because the front story is not believable.  As I said above, you might as well blame in on UFO's, as ask people to believe she didn't know she was in a strange apartment, and firing away with no cause.  It's not credible.  Hence, why the authorities don't want to present it to a jury.

What? You are now blaming Ulysha Renee Hall for this crime?

There is no evidence of racism, or any clue as to what the cause of why she shot this man

Again you immediately assume, based on a racist bias

I asked you why a Black chief of Police would cover this up? Not only that the investigation was handed over to the Texas Rangers

Anyway this officer who shot the man, has been invloved in a police shooting before

Guyger was involved in another shooting incident in May 2017, Dallas police said.

In that case, Guyger was attempting to identify a woman in a car when another passenger in the vehicle got out and took her taser. Guyger shot and injured the suspect, according to the department's statement. The suspect was later charged with taking a weapon from an officer, possession of meth and marijuana, and a parole violation.

That does not seem like a person that is trigger happy

Not only that, if your view that it was racism, why wait 4 years to shoot and kill a black man?



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Post by Original Quill on Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:23 pm

Didge wrote:What? You are now blaming Ulysha Renee Hall for this crime?

No, she's just a token black cop. As I said above, Republicans like to put token blacks in symbolic roles in order to claim they are open-minded. The trick is, they never give them any authority, just hollow titles.

Frankly, it may not even be the Dallas Police Department orchestrating the charade at this stage. The State has taken over and is running the cover-up. They continue to treat it as a unintentional crime. I guess it looks better with the State involved. Shades of Sandra Bland.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:24 pm

The Dallas police officer who killed 26-year-old Botham Jean in his own apartment got inside because the door wasn’t locked, a law enforcement official said Sunday.

Officer Amber Guyger had just ended a 15-hour shift when she parked on the wrong level of the South Side Flats garage— the fourth floor instead of the third, where she lived, according to the official who has direct knowledge of the case but is not authorized to discuss it publicly.

Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings also said Sunday that Guyger parked on the wrong floor.

She went to the door she thought was hers but was one floor too high. The four floors of the South Side Flats in the Cedars look the same, with concrete floors and tan doors. A light fixture to the side of each door displays the apartment number.

Guyger, 30, was arrested Sunday on a manslaughter charge and was booked into the Kaufman County Jail. The Texas Rangers are investigating the case at the request of Dallas Police Chief U. Renee Hall. In the last year, juries have sentenced two police officers in Dallas County to prison time after convicting them of murder.

The night of the shooting, Guyger didn’t notice that Jean's door had a red doormat in front of it, the official said. Her entrance didn’t have one.

Guyger, who was still in uniform, put her key in the door, which was unlocked, and the door opened, the official said. The lights were out. She saw a figure in the darkness and thought her apartment was being burglarized, the official said. Guyger pulled her gun and fired twice.

When she turned on the lights, she realized she was in the wrong apartment. Jean, who worked for PricewaterhouseCoopers, was shot once in the chest.

Authorities have said Guyger and Jean, a native of Saint Lucia in the Caribbean, did not know each other. Guyger, a nearly five-year veteran of the Police Department, had recently moved into the complex.


https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-police/2018/09/09/botham-jeans-door-unlocked-amber-guyger-mistook-apartment-official-says

If the above is a tue account. I say if, as nobody can know and she worked 15 hours. And clearly she parked on the wrong floor.

Was sleep deprevation a factor in this crime

Was it simple exhaustion which led to her parking on the wrong floor and going to the wrong flat?

Its very possible and what is needed to understand how many shits and hours she had been working the previous days. To understand if this did play a factor

She was drug tested by the Texan rangers and nothing was found

The more i look at this story, the more I doubt racism had anything to do with this

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:25 pm

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Didge wrote:What? You are now blaming Ulysha Renee Hall for this crime?

No, she's just a token black cop.  

I am going to report you for racism

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:49 pm

Didge wrote:The Dallas police officer who killed 26-year-old Botham Jean in his own apartment got inside because the door wasn’t locked, a law enforcement official said Sunday.

Officer Amber Guyger had just ended a 15-hour shift when she parked on the wrong level of the South Side Flats garage— the fourth floor instead of the third, where she lived, according to the official who has direct knowledge of the case but is not authorized to discuss it publicly.

Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings also said Sunday that Guyger parked on the wrong floor.

She went to the door she thought was hers but was one floor too high. The four floors of the South Side Flats in the Cedars look the same, with concrete floors and tan doors. A light fixture to the side of each door displays the apartment number.

Guyger, 30, was arrested Sunday on a manslaughter charge and was booked into the Kaufman County Jail. The Texas Rangers are investigating the case at the request of Dallas Police Chief U. Renee Hall. In the last year, juries have sentenced two police officers in Dallas County to prison time after convicting them of murder.

The night of the shooting, Guyger didn’t notice that Jean's door had a red doormat in front of it, the official said. Her entrance didn’t have one.

Guyger, who was still in uniform, put her key in the door, which was unlocked, and the door opened, the official said. The lights were out. She saw a figure in the darkness and thought her apartment was being burglarized, the official said. Guyger pulled her gun and fired twice.

When she turned on the lights, she realized she was in the wrong apartment. Jean, who worked for PricewaterhouseCoopers, was shot once in the chest.

Authorities have said Guyger and Jean, a native of Saint Lucia in the Caribbean, did not know each other. Guyger, a nearly five-year veteran of the Police Department, had recently moved into the complex.


https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-police/2018/09/09/botham-jeans-door-unlocked-amber-guyger-mistook-apartment-official-says

If the above is a true account. I say if, as nobody can know and she worked 15 hours. And clearly she parked on the wrong floor.

Was sleep deprivation a factor in this crime

Was it simple exhaustion which led to her parking on the wrong floor and going to the wrong flat?

If so it still would be manslaughter

Its very possible and what is needed to understand how many shifts and hours she had been working the previous days. To understand if this did play a factor

She was drug tested by the Texan rangers and nothing was found

The more i look at this story, the more I doubt racism had anything to do with this

To get this back on track and if poeple are intersted, here is the story of the Police Chief

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-police/2017/07/22/new-dallas-police-chiefs-life-shaped-tragedy-self-discipline-detroits-struggles

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Post by Syl on Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:58 pm

Leaving colour out of this...

A woman walks into someone elses home believing it to be her own, the woman is not mentally impaired because she holds down a responsible job. She sees the home owner in his own home, and promptly shoots him dead, Why?...because she was under the impression he was the intruder in her home.

It would be hilarious if it wasnt so tragic.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:01 pm

Didge wrote:The Dallas police officer who killed 26-year-old Botham Jean in his own apartment got inside because the door wasn’t locked, a law enforcement official said Sunday.

Haha...that's like asking the kid who stole the cookie from the cookie jar.

Whose providing these facts?  The Dallas Police were the ones who started the cover up.  It would be strange indeed, if they suddenly started telling the truth now.

By furnishing these facts, the police are just putting the gloss on the apple...furnishing details to give the story the patina of reality.  Believe me...it needs it.  Long, hard day?  Parked on the wrong floor?  Didn't notice the red mat?  Dark inside?  Door unlocked?  And of course, a trained police officer shoots first and asks questions later.  This story is so precisely tailored to meet every strange detail, that it wreaks of cover-up.

I dream of getting such a faux case so I can deliver the closing argument.

If this were a real investigation, they would start with the obvious and work backwards: the accused is in a place she doesn't belong--WTF?; all she has to do is open her eyes to note the surroundings are unfamiliar--WTF?; she's white, he's black--WTF?; and she's a trained cop, blazing away with no care or concern for life--WTF?.

I'll tell you a far more plausible story: this was an assassination.  It fits in every detail, which they are at such great pains to avoid.  Too many irregularities.  Too many coincidences...and I don't believe in coincidences.

It's curious that the victim works for an accounting firm...so, already money has a presence, if not quite a role, at the scene of the crime.  I'd be investigating the role of the accounting firm with the Police Benevolent Association...or other close-by connections.

And I'd be calling in the FBI...I don't trust the Dallas Police Department, with it's token chief, or the 'me-too' Texas Rangers.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:07 pm

Syl wrote:Leaving colour out of this...

A woman walks into someone elses home believing it to be her own, the woman is not mentally impaired because she holds down a responsible job. She sees the home owner in his own home, and promptly shoots him dead,  Why?...because she was under the impression he was the intruder in her home.

It would be hilarious if it wasnt so tragic.

Indeed and why I am wondering whether exhaustion did play a part here

She clearly parked on the wrong floor and it does not seem that they knew each other

There is no evidence that she knew a black man lived there

It makes little sense of a Police officer serving four years to just randomly shoot a black man based on racism

As again why wait four years and why this man?

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:11 pm

It's the firing of that gun with a certainty that raises the hackles on the back of my neck. If you're in the wrong home, already noticing differences, who does that?

Who fires a gun with such blindness. Doesn't this remind you of Oscar Pistorius, firing away without care or concern?? Both he, and this cop, know full well what each was doing.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:14 pm

Original Quill wrote:It's the firing of that gun with a certainty that raises the hackles on the back of my neck.  If you're in the wrong home, already noticing differences, who does that?

Who fires a gun with such blindness.  Doesn't this remind you of Oscar Pistorius, firing away without care or concern??  Both he, and this cop, know full well what each was doing.

People exhausted and not full of their faculties after a 15 hour shift

Have you ever been in a situation where you have had a lack of sleep?

This happens on the road all the time and people have accidents

I mean there is no evidence she knew a black person lived there. Nor could she even see in the dark if he was a man or black

Clearly panic took control in an exhustive state

If you found someone in what you thought to be your department in the dark, I bet 9 times out of ten, you would shoot first and ask questions after

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Post by eddie on Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:19 pm

How did her key fit into his lock?

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:21 pm

eddie wrote:How did her key fit into his lock?

Maybe the door pushed open, as she attempted to put the key in

That would immediately have alarm bells ringing for anyone

It maybe the same type of key also for all the doors in such an apartment building

It was unlocked

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Post by eddie on Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:23 pm

It’s an iffy story and she obviously meant to kill him.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:25 pm

eddie wrote:It’s an iffy story and she obviously meant to kill him.

I am having big doubts, espcially as she called in the shooting herself

I mean that does not seem the thing you would do with intent to murder someone

Again she clearly intended to bring him down by shooting, but I think people have jumped to conclusions here. Where there is no evidence of them knowing each other. No witnesses for any arguments heard. I think she seriously was half asleep after a 15 hour shift and paniced when the door opened and seeing someone inside.

Its to me rightly manslaughter

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:14 pm

It's a highly flawed story. Too many holes. Either the Texas authorities are admitting that they a placing ill-prepared and dangerous policemen on the street, or it's just a fabrication.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:16 pm

Didge wrote:I am having big doubts, espcially as she called in the shooting herself

Haha...WTF was she going to do? They have the forensics on her handgun.

Didge, you wouldn't even make a good criminal.

lol!

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:27 pm

Didge wrote:Again she clearly intended to bring him down by shooting, but I think people have jumped to conclusions here. Where there is no evidence of them knowing each other.

Assassins don't need to get friendly with their victims.

Didge wrote:No witnesses for any arguments heard.

No doubt, planned that way.

Didge wrote:I think she seriously was half asleep after a 15 hour shift and paniced when the door opened and seeing someone inside.

Who told you she was half asleep?  Who said a 15-hour shift?  You're pretty gullible. This is law enforcement. You're supposed to be a bit suspicious.

If she panicked entering an apartment, how would she ever serve a warrant?  How would she make a bust?  If this is the way they train Texas cops, god help us all.  I can guarantee you that Arizona and California cops are better trained than that.

All the more reason to cut the lines and let the current take them afar.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:02 pm

Original Quill wrote:It's a highly flawed story.  Too many holes.  Either the Texas authorities are admitting that they a placing ill-prepared and dangerous policemen on the street, or it's just a fabrication.

You mean with the many holes that your claims have?

At leasd I am looking at this objectively and have stated there could be many possibilities

What you do is hold an immediate racial bias

Now I do not see you actually address any of the points I made

All you did was claim a woman premditated a murder, based on no evidence. This person is known to have worked a 15 hour shift

That is a fact

She parked on the floor above where she lived

That is a fact

She called the emegency servies after knowing what had happend and they were there in 4 minuites

He was rushed to the hospital, but prenounced dead on arrival

That in no way sounds like someone looking to murder someone or looking to get away with it

The evidence comes from the investigation, that she had worked a 15 hour shift which is not unusual for people in the Police, hospitals etc

Where do you get this notion of a warrant?

She enter an apartment thinking it was hers, with the door unlocked.

That would ring alarm bells

She then sees someone inside what she perceives to be her flat and she is a woman

As I say you cannot think outside the box and have already made up in your mind, she went there with the intent to murder this man because he was black. Though had served four years, without murdering anyone black

So I have presented many views

All we have been reduced to on this forum, is hyperbole by you on racism

Now she has been charged with manslaughter

Not a hate crime

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