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Post by Didge on Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:39 am

Police should dramatically increase the use of stop and search to combat spiralling gang violence, former Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith demands today. A ‘toxic cycle of serious violence’ fuelled by drug dealers who operate ‘with impunity’ is spreading around the country, a major report by the Conservative MP’s think-tank warns.

The 148-page blueprint – which will heap pressure on London Mayor Sadiq Khan just days after the number of killings in the capital this year reached 100 – calls for a US-style crackdown on gang leaders. In what will be seen as a criticism of Theresa May, the report accuses senior officers of all but abandoning ‘active policing’ – including stop and search – because they fear being accused of institutional racism.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6103737/Police-dramatically-increase-stop-search-tackle-Lawless-London-major-report-demands.html

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Re: Police MUST use more stop and search to stop gangs operating with 'impunity', says Iain Duncan Smith as report accuses officers of abandoning the streets for fear of being accused of racism

Post by Angry Andy on Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:18 am

What police?
This sick Tory government made 20,000 redundant.

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Post by nicko on Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:34 am

Can't make Police Officers redundant !
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Post by Angry Andy on Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:27 am

They did!
20k police and 18k pcso's.
No more bobbies on the beat.

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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:46 am

nicko wrote:Google it !

I did, and found this: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/jeremy-corbyn-is-right-the-tories-have-cut-20000-police-officers-since-2010

Oops.

This is a familiar tactic. First, a conservative government cuts government jobs because they're a drain on the taxpayer or whatever.

In this case, about 20,000 cops are cut. Crime goes up.

Then, conservative government proposes curtailing rights and pushing the country toward a police state to bring crime back down.

Thankfully, it's never worked for very long, because the public gets fed up with stories of cops harassing innocent citizens.

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Post by nicko on Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:15 pm

Heading I read on Google said------Police can not be made redundant !
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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:20 pm

the reality is

lefty govt hobble police with PC bullshit
lefty luvvies get all sofy on crime and punishment
crime goes up because there are no consequences
cons try to restrain public spending and reimpose rule of law

lefty luvvies have a meltdown


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Post by Angry Andy on Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:11 pm

Then right whinge wankers like you bitch about Corbyn and Labour hen no police answer your report of burglary or car theft.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:31 pm

Laughing

I can never understand why neo-con' Tory lovers like nicko and Victor have to keep on blaming their "lefty" foes for these problems...

When it's always the Conservative governments who 'up the ante' with the underfunding, short-staffing and mass sackings of police, ambo's and firies..

All in the name of their ongoing "faux austerity" drive  -- cutting gov't spending to pay for their long-term plans to halve the corporate tax rates.

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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:53 pm

Angry Andy wrote:Then right whinge wankers like you bitch about Corbyn and Labour hen no police answer your report of burglary or car theft.

whats the point of having police for burglary car theft etc......when the PC crippled, lefty leaning, no punishment courts wont lock em up/flog em/whatever?

the reality is there is NO deterrent, little consequence and certainly no retribution for even the worst of anti social crimes.....even murder is only a few easy years...unless its particularly nasty or targets one of the lefts "protected"

We even had the most senior copper saying a few weeks back that the publici will HAVE to.....note... HAVE to...... accept different policing priorities, indicating the intent to abdicate any responsibility to the whole idea of "policing by consent" that is to say the contract by which we accept police here...we give up weapons and seeing to our own security in return YOU (the police and govt") agree to protect us.

IF the police are so highly stretched they cant manage to run the show properly, I suggest they are relieved of anti terror duties , being replaced by military specialists.


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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:56 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Laughing

I can never understand why neo-con' Tory lovers like nicko and Victor have to keep on blaming their "lefty" foes for these problems...

When it's always the Conservative governments who 'up the ante' with the underfunding, short-staffing and mass sackings of police, ambo's and firies..

All in the name of their ongoing "faux austerity" drive  -- cutting gov't spending to pay for their long-term plans to halve the corporate tax rates.

Because lefty luvvies are virtually SOLEY responsible for the breakdown of law and order, the lack of fear of the law by the current generation of feral thugs druggies and so on....with their soft sentencing and total disregard to the human rights of the victims (unless you tick the correct boxes ) and the over inflated love for the human rights of the stinking perps.....

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:15 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Laughing

I can never understand why neo-con' Tory lovers like nicko and Victor have to keep on blaming their "lefty" foes for these problems...

When it's always the Conservative governments who 'up the ante' with the underfunding, short-staffing and mass sackings of police, ambo's and firies..

All in the name of their ongoing "faux austerity" drive  -- cutting gov't spending to pay for their long-term plans to halve the corporate tax rates.

Because lefty luvvies are virtually SOLEY responsible for the breakdown of law and order, the lack of fear of the law by the current generation of feral thugs druggies and so on....with their soft sentencing and total disregard to the human rights of the victims (unless you tick the correct boxes ) and the over inflated love for the human rights of the stinking perps.....

The 'hard' sentencing costs money, and when the rightys are handed the bill they start whinging and crying and saying they won't pay.

Just as with war...rightys have the most expensive tastes, but they are cheapskates when it comes to paying for it. Those prisons and courts cost money. Pony up, then talk right or wrong.

The PC is in the laws that over-charge, and over-sentence, and over-zealous tactics in enforcement.  Just a bunch of self-righteous ninnies clucking at jay-walkers.

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Post by nicko on Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:04 pm

I'v given Vic a green for his post, because that is exactly whats wrong with the sentencing to-day. It's too soft, and it's too soft because of whinging lefty's refusing to believe that the "big Stick" is some how agains't their Human rights ! Stick 'em in a Military prison like the Colechester "glasshouse complete with the "Redcaps" as Warders, and if there are not enough Prisons, BUILD MORE.
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Post by Original Quill on Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:23 pm

nicko wrote:Stick 'em in a Military prison like the Colechester "glasshouse complete with the "Redcaps" as Warders, and if there are not enough Prisons, BUILD MORE.

The documented cost of running the Guantanamo prison facility in 2015 was $445 million.  The Cost of the Guantánamo Bay Prison.

The actual amount is far more, since this amount does not include the cost of Camp 7, where “high-value detainees” are held. That cost has been deemed classified.

At the beginning of 2015, the prison held 122 detainees; at the end of 2015 it held 107.3 So over the course of 2015, the absolute minimum cost ranged between $3.7 million and $4.2 million per year for each detainee.

Yeah, let's build more military prisons.

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Post by nicko on Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:48 pm

Can't compare that to prisons in Britain quill !
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Post by Original Quill on Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:36 pm

Where's the savings? Don't feed 'em?

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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:32 pm

it dont cost much to flog a burglar......

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:37 pm

Vic wrote:it dont cost much to flog a burglar......

What do you mean by flog? Doesn't appear to mean incarcerate in any dictionary I have.

Nicko is suggesting a military prison, which has doorknobs we will never see.

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Post by Didge on Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:47 pm

Countless people are being murdered in London alone

The number is increasing

Thus clearly a measure to stop and search is needed

This what happened at the carnival this weekend, where numereous people were detained with knives

Hence its common sense to stop and search

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