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Post by Syl on Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:17 pm

First topic message reminder :

Something or nothing?
What kind of poster do you think you are....because we all fall into categories.
Interesting, interested, helpful, a watcher, a leader, a liar, argumentative, easily influenced, set in solid beliefs?
So many different times of posters.

I wonder if we see ourselves as others see us...I doubt it somehow. Laughing

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:08 pm

I'm not sure whether Andy will reply.

Willy or won't he?
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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:09 pm

My dinner time now so.....

Roger and out.
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Post by Syl on Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:10 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
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Oooo the old double entendre Fred...I like it.  Razz

For one awful moment I thought I had cocked it up.......
Every comeback  I think of either doesn't make sense or is just too rude to type.   I am off before I lose my reputation as a dried up old harridan. Laughing

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Post by Syl on Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:12 pm

Anyway, apart from intelligence Fred brings to the forum the art of the double entendre. Cool

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Post by eddie on Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:47 pm

Fred is one of my favourite forum posters.
That’s a fact.

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:22 pm

Syl wrote:Anyway, apart from intelligence Fred brings to the forum the art of the double entendre. Cool

Ah, thank you from an old hack, Syl. But as they say, the penis mightier than the sword.

Oops, sorry....the pen is mightier than the sword.
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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:24 pm

eddie wrote:Fred is one of my favourite forum posters.
That’s a fact.

Gosh! I'm flattered. However Ben the Yank got there first so I shall retire hurt.

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:38 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
eddie wrote:Fred is one of my favourite forum posters.
That’s a fact.

Gosh! I'm flattered. However Ben the Yank got there first so I shall retire hurt.

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New balls please.

Mine are actually doing pretty well for 43.
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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:40 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Gosh! I'm flattered. However Ben the Yank got there first so I shall retire hurt.

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New balls please.

Mine are actually doing pretty well for 43.

Mine are 80 next year. I concede defeat.
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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:44 pm

Gave you green for that one - hope it's the only place you have it Razz
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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:58 pm

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Angry Andy wrote:I bring a centre left balance to the centre right dominance here. It remains out of kilter, however, as there are no far left commies to counterbalance the far/alt right  on here.

There is no centre right dominance here.

You, me, veya, Ben, wolfie, quill, sassy, lurker and in lot of areas Lord Foul, are all left leaning. Most the rest are pretty centre, from my pov. Only a few, like tommy, sit solidly on the right

That said I like to think I bring some reasonability to the forum, along with that oh so boring word 'fairness' and a heavy dose of honesty Razz


Laughing


Really...?


Can you explain what views you think I have, that are views that define someone as being 'on the right'...?


Can hardly wait for the reply...!


Laughing



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Post by Eilzel on Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:52 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:I bring a centre left balance to the centre right dominance here. It remains out of kilter, however, as there are no far left commies to counterbalance the far/alt right  on here.

There is no centre right dominance here.

You, me, veya, Ben, wolfie, quill, sassy, lurker and in lot of areas Lord Foul, are all left leaning. Most the rest are pretty centre, from my pov. Only a few, like tommy, sit solidly on the right

That said I like to think I bring some reasonability to the forum, along with that oh so boring word 'fairness' and a heavy dose of honesty Razz


Laughing


Really...?


Can you explain what views you think I have, that are views that define someone as being 'on the right'...?


Can hardly wait for the reply...!


Laughing



Your have conservative views on immigration, the environment and global warming, gay and trans rights, Brexit and gun control, off the top of my head.

If you have any leftist views at all, you don't do much ranting about them as you do other things Wink

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Post by eddie on Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:05 am

Yeah, erm Tommy? Where are your left wing views?

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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:43 am

Actually Tommy has expressed some views on economics that are full blown Communist not merely just socialist.

he is actually a 'Nationalist Socialist' in his views. Socially conservative, insular and anti-free market.

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:50 am

veya_victaous wrote:Actually Tommy has expressed some views on economics that are full blown Communist not merely just socialist.

he is actually a 'Nationalist Socialist' in his views. Socially conservative, insular and anti-free market.

I vaguely recall agreeing with him on some thing, so it could have been that lol

On the issues he focuses on though he's as conservative as they come.

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Post by Andy on Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:01 am

veya_victaous wrote:Actually Tommy has expressed some views on economics that are full blown Communist not merely just socialist.

he is actually a 'Nationalist Socialist' in his views. Socially conservative, insular and anti-free market.

National Socialist = Nazi.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:25 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Laughing


Really...?


Can you explain what views you think I have, that are views that define someone as being 'on the right'...?


Can hardly wait for the reply...!


Laughing



Your have conservative views on immigration, the environment and global warming, gay and trans rights, Brexit and gun control, off the top of my head.

If you have any leftist views at all, you don't do much ranting about them as you do other things Wink

Ok... I'll discuss each one of these topics in turn...

Firstly - Immigration...


"...Immigration… 76% want immigration reduced, 4% wanted it increased. 14% want it unchanged..."

[YouGov 8th March 2015]


Labour says a new immigration system, which by implication includes EU nationals, “may include employer sponsorship, work permits, visa regulations or a tailored mix of all these”.

Explicit statement that Brexit will mean an end to freedom of movement for EU nationals.

Labour’s 2017 manifesto stated that “Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union. Britain’s immigration system will change.”

In July, Jeremy Corbyn said that immigration “would be a managed thing on the basis of the skills required..."



Now... I support the view of the majority 76% of British people in the poll result shown above... and I support the official labour party promises above, as of their 2017 manifesto...!

And... around 10 million people voted for labour in last election, in support of this...!

So... please tell me where you stand on this... and explain how this makes you 'left wing' and me 'on the right'...???


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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:46 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Laughing


Really...?


Can you explain what views you think I have, that are views that define someone as being 'on the right'...?


Can hardly wait for the reply...!


Laughing



Your have conservative views on immigration, the environment and global warming, gay and trans rights, Brexit and gun control, off the top of my head.

If you have any leftist views at all, you don't do much ranting about them as you do other things Wink

Ok... I'll discuss each one of these topics in turn...

Firstly - Immigration...


"...Immigration… 76% want immigration reduced, 4% wanted it increased. 14% want it unchanged..."

[YouGov 8th March 2015]


Labour says a new immigration system, which by implication includes EU nationals, “may include employer sponsorship, work permits, visa regulations or a tailored mix of all these”.

Explicit statement that Brexit will mean an end to freedom of movement for EU nationals.

Labour’s 2017 manifesto stated that “Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union. Britain’s immigration system will change.”

In July, Jeremy Corbyn said that immigration “would be a managed thing on the basis of the skills required..."



Now... I support the view of the majority 76% of British people in the poll result shown above... and I support the official labour party promises above, as of their 2017 manifesto...!

And... around 10 million people voted for labour in last election, in support of this...!

So... please tell me where you stand on this... and explain how this makes you 'left wing' and me 'on the right'...???


Laughing


So you'd rather not have me moving to England, eh?
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Post by Syl on Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:25 pm

It has been argued that clamping down on free EU movement will allow more scope for immigration from outside the EU.
Which would include the US.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:52 pm


Ben... is that question directed at me...?


Or... at the posters here who actually voted for labour and their (above) manifesto promises...?


Funny thing is... if you had the chance to vote here... you would have probably voted for labour (and the above) too...!!!


So does that make you 'of the right'... and someone who was against yourself living in England too...???


What about all the other labour voting posters here...?


Are they all 'of the right' for voting for labour manifesto promises above, (that I also happen to support)...?



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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:57 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Ben... is that question directed at me...?


Or... at the posters here who actually voted for labour and their (above) manifesto promises...?


Funny thing is... if you had the chance to vote here... you would have probably voted for labour (and the above) too...!!!


So does that make you 'of the right'... and someone who was against yourself living in England too...???


What about all the other labour voting posters here...?


Are they all 'of the right' for voting for labour manifesto promises above, (that I also happen to support)...?



It's just directed at you.
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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:11 pm

I bring.........GRUMPYNESS.

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Post by Guest on Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:23 pm

Lord Foul wrote:I bring.........GRUMPYNESS.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:35 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:
Ben... is that question directed at me...?


Or... at the posters here who actually voted for labour and their (above) manifesto promises...?


Funny thing is... if you had the chance to vote here... you would have probably voted for labour (and the above) too...!!!


So does that make you 'of the right'... and someone who was against yourself living in England too...???


What about all the other labour voting posters here...?


Are they all 'of the right' for voting for labour manifesto promises above, (that I also happen to support)...?



It's just directed at you.


You'd have much more chance of living here under the (full) rules I support, than under the current cluster fuck system... much more than under lying labours last (unbelievably huge cluster fuck) system while in govt... and much more chance than under lying labours "promised 'new' (same as 'old unbelievably huge cluster fuck') system" too...!!!


Now... how about answering my questions...?



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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:49 am

Les & Ben...


I look forward to hearing your answers... when your brain cell has stopped hurting from all the cognitive dissonance___?



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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:00 am

Just wanted to know if you, like the majority of British people, would rather me not immigrate there.
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Post by Eilzel on Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:09 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Laughing


Really...?


Can you explain what views you think I have, that are views that define someone as being 'on the right'...?


Can hardly wait for the reply...!


Laughing



Your have conservative views on immigration, the environment and global warming, gay and trans rights, Brexit and gun control, off the top of my head.

If you have any leftist views at all, you don't do much ranting about them as you do other things Wink

Ok... I'll discuss each one of these topics in turn...

Firstly - Immigration...


"...Immigration… 76% want immigration reduced, 4% wanted it increased. 14% want it unchanged..."

[YouGov 8th March 2015]


Labour says a new immigration system, which by implication includes EU nationals, “may include employer sponsorship, work permits, visa regulations or a tailored mix of all these”.

Explicit statement that Brexit will mean an end to freedom of movement for EU nationals.

Labour’s 2017 manifesto stated that “Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union. Britain’s immigration system will change.”

In July, Jeremy Corbyn said that immigration “would be a managed thing on the basis of the skills required..."



Now... I support the view of the majority 76% of British people in the poll result shown above... and I support the official labour party promises above, as of their 2017 manifesto...!

And... around 10 million people voted for labour in last election, in support of this...!

So... please tell me where you stand on this... and explain how this makes you 'left wing' and me 'on the right'...???


Laughing


Just like didge you always draw Left and Right down to purely party politics. My main gripe with the immigration system is how difficult it makes it for those married to foreign national may struggle to bring their partners over. I also still support free movement within the EU.

You do not.

And breaking each point I made down one by one is really a waste of time, plus, if you intend at some point to draw Left and Right down to solely economics, don't bother. The two sides are synonymous today with conservative and liberal social issues too.

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Post by eddie on Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:36 am

Green Les.

Even before my struggles with marrying someone from overseas and struggling with the stupid fucked up laws of it all, I could never understand why people would want to keep people apart simply because they came from different countries.

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Post by Guest on Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:24 am

Eilzel wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Ok... I'll discuss each one of these topics in turn...

Firstly - Immigration...


"...Immigration… 76% want immigration reduced, 4% wanted it increased. 14% want it unchanged..."

[YouGov 8th March 2015]


Labour says a new immigration system, which by implication includes EU nationals, “may include employer sponsorship, work permits, visa regulations or a tailored mix of all these”.

Explicit statement that Brexit will mean an end to freedom of movement for EU nationals.

Labour’s 2017 manifesto stated that “Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union. Britain’s immigration system will change.”

In July, Jeremy Corbyn said that immigration “would be a managed thing on the basis of the skills required..."



Now... I support the view of the majority 76% of British people in the poll result shown above... and I support the official labour party promises above, as of their 2017 manifesto...!

And... around 10 million people voted for labour in last election, in support of this...!

So... please tell me where you stand on this... and explain how this makes you 'left wing' and me 'on the right'...???


Laughing


Just like didge you always draw Left and Right down to purely party politics. 


Really?

I do not think so, but if as you believe me correcting you loads of late, is an excuse for you to again lie about me, please continue to knock yourself out. If it then makes you feel better

And this is someone who claims moderate liberal beliefs are extreme left beliefs

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Post by Syl on Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:33 am

I dont support free movement, when more people come in than leave, especially if they dont have skills to contribute to the country, or they are working at jobs that are denying local people work, or vacancies are advertised in the EU without giving the people who already live here the chance to apply....thats wrong on so many levels.

Many doctors from India (for eg) are fully trained and eager to work in the UK, we are short of doctors, they cant come because of present immigration laws.
Free EU movement is preventing many people from outside the EU the chance to live here. Our NHS, schools, housing market is stretched to bursting. It stands to reason if parts of the world are given free entry other parts of the world will be more limited because of this...we are a small island..

Government statistics claim unemployment is low....thats because so many people have zero hour contracts and  unemployment regulations have been changed in recent years.

It makes me laugh when people who voted BREXIT are considered racist and small minded.....if it's done right it will open up the world for us, and that would include people from outside the EU who are married to Brits having a fairer chance of making their lives here.

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:43 pm

Syl wrote:I dont support free movement, when more people come in than leave, especially if they dont have skills to contribute to the country, or they are working at jobs that are denying local people work, or vacancies are advertised in the EU without giving the people who already live here the chance to apply....thats wrong on so many levels.

Many doctors from India (for eg) are fully trained and eager to work in the UK, we are short of doctors, they cant come because of present immigration laws.
Free EU movement is preventing many people from outside the EU the chance to live here. Our NHS, schools, housing market is stretched to bursting. It stands to reason if parts of the world are given free entry other parts of the world will be more limited because of this...we are a small island..

Government statistics claim unemployment is low....thats because so many people have zero hour contracts and  unemployment regulations have been changed in recent years.

It makes me laugh when people who voted BREXIT are considered racist and small minded.....if it's done right it will open up the world for us, and that would include people from outside the EU who are married to Brits having a fairer chance of making their lives here.

Do you think I would be incapable of getting a job in the UK?

If not, do you think that I would then have been deemed the best candidate by my company?

So if you think British people should be hired instead of the best candidate, you're actually in favor of kneecapping British companies, right?

And, after 10 years or so, I'd actually become a British citizen, so what about that?
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Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Syl wrote:I dont support free movement, when more people come in than leave, especially if they dont have skills to contribute to the country, or they are working at jobs that are denying local people work, or vacancies are advertised in the EU without giving the people who already live here the chance to apply....thats wrong on so many levels.

Many doctors from India (for eg) are fully trained and eager to work in the UK, we are short of doctors, they cant come because of present immigration laws.
Free EU movement is preventing many people from outside the EU the chance to live here. Our NHS, schools, housing market is stretched to bursting. It stands to reason if parts of the world are given free entry other parts of the world will be more limited because of this...we are a small island..

Government statistics claim unemployment is low....thats because so many people have zero hour contracts and  unemployment regulations have been changed in recent years.

It makes me laugh when people who voted BREXIT are considered racist and small minded.....if it's done right it will open up the world for us, and that would include people from outside the EU who are married to Brits having a fairer chance of making their lives here.

Do you think I would be incapable of getting a job in the UK?

If not, do you think that I would then have been deemed the best candidate by my company?

So if you think British people should be hired instead of the best candidate, you're actually in favor of kneecapping British companies, right?

And, after 10 years or so, I'd actually become a British citizen, so what about that?

Did I say British people should be hired over the best candidate?

I said many people come here with no special skills and do local people out of a job.
Local people cant even get the job in the first placee if it's advertised abroad and not here....which some companies do.
Butlins and Costa coffee are two that have been in the news for doing exactly that.
My son and his workforce were made redundant twice in a short space of time, only for the company to reopen with a complete Polish workforce who could afford to work and live for less.....they were not better, they were cheaper.

Do you live in an EU country btw??  No....so I wasnt referring to you. I said if the present policy of free movement was changed it would open up immigration from none EU countries.
Stop taking things so personally.

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I bring nowt to forums, I'm in it for my own amusement & satisfaction.  flower

I usually step in if I see anyone deliberately lying, or promoting hateful agenda or trying to indoctrinate others.

I also enjoy having a laugh on forums. Laughter is the best medicine for good bodily & spiritual health.

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Jules wrote:I bring nowt to forums, I'm in it for my own amusement & satisfaction.  flower

I usually step in if I see anyone deliberately lying, or promoting hateful agenda or trying to indoctrinate others.

I also enjoy having a laugh on forums. Laughter is the best medicine for good bodily & spiritual health.

You are always a treat, Jules. Laughing

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Post by Vintage on Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:01 pm

I can't help but wonder why someone would give Syl a red, it a system used by many successful countries. When everyone is living a similar life economically, free movement will be ok, is it any wonder that three times as many EU citizens, mostly from the poorer countries come to Brtitain as there are Brits working in the rest of the EU. Its the same everywhere. When we have it otherwise it only seems to work for those with skills that are needed otherwise we have the scenario that Syl wrote about people miss out, I don't think they are imagining it, people here can't get jobs, people coming in can be exploited - what's so good about that. The best way to help people from poorer countries is to develop trade with them, give them the means to do for themselves, then they won't have to leave their families and way of life and trudge off across the world to better themselves, unless they actually choose to do so.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:08 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Ok... I'll discuss each one of these topics in turn...

Firstly - Immigration...


"...Immigration… 76% want immigration reduced, 4% wanted it increased. 14% want it unchanged..."

[YouGov 8th March 2015]


Labour says a new immigration system, which by implication includes EU nationals, “may include employer sponsorship, work permits, visa regulations or a tailored mix of all these”.

Explicit statement that Brexit will mean an end to freedom of movement for EU nationals.

Labour’s 2017 manifesto stated that “Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union. Britain’s immigration system will change.”

In July, Jeremy Corbyn said that immigration “would be a managed thing on the basis of the skills required..."



Now... I support the view of the majority 76% of British people in the poll result shown above... and I support the official labour party promises above, as of their 2017 manifesto...!

And... around 10 million people voted for labour in last election, in support of this...!

So... please tell me where you stand on this... and explain how this makes you 'left wing' and me 'on the right'...???


Laughing


Just like didge you always draw Left and Right down to purely party politics. My main gripe with the immigration system is how difficult it makes it for those married to foreign national may struggle to bring their partners over. I also still support free movement within the EU.

You do not.

And breaking each point I made down one by one is really a waste of time, plus, if you intend at some point to draw Left and Right down to solely economics, don't bother. The two sides are synonymous today with conservative and liberal social issues too.


That is a complete cop out of an answer!!!


You threw down the list of accusations here... and I have merely thrown down the challenge to you to justify your accusations...!


And I am more than willing to debate each in turn... which I think is important for us to get to the truth, and for you to learn a bit more about reality...!


So... either back up your accusations or withdraw them and apologise...!?



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Post by Syl on Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:17 pm

Vintage wrote:I can't help but wonder why someone would give Syl a red, it a system used by many successful countries. When everyone is living a similar life economically, free movement will be ok, is it any wonder that three times as many EU citizens, mostly from the poorer countries come to Brtitain as there are Brits working in the rest of the EU. Its the same everywhere. When we have it otherwise it only seems to work for those with skills that are needed otherwise we have the scenario that Syl wrote about people miss out, I don't think they are imagining it, people here can't get jobs, people coming in can be exploited - what's so good about that. The best way to help people from poorer countries is to develop trade with them, give them the means to do for themselves, then they won't have to leave their families and way of life and trudge off across the world to better themselves, unless they actually choose to do so.

Thanks Vintage, I hadn't even noticed I had been given a red Laughing

Some people dont like hearing the truth, they prefer to shut their eyes....till it affects them of course, then these things begin to make sense.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:30 pm

Syl wrote:
Vintage wrote:I can't help but wonder why someone would give Syl a red, it a system used by many successful countries. When everyone is living a similar life economically, free movement will be ok, is it any wonder that three times as many EU citizens, mostly from the poorer countries come to Brtitain as there are Brits working in the rest of the EU. Its the same everywhere. When we have it otherwise it only seems to work for those with skills that are needed otherwise we have the scenario that Syl wrote about people miss out, I don't think they are imagining it, people here can't get jobs, people coming in can be exploited - what's so good about that. The best way to help people from poorer countries is to develop trade with them, give them the means to do for themselves, then they won't have to leave their families and way of life and trudge off across the world to better themselves, unless they actually choose to do so.

Thanks Vintage, I hadn't even noticed I had been given a red  Laughing

Some people dont like hearing the truth, they prefer to shut their eyes....till it affects them of course, then these things begin to make sense.

Reds don't mean anything, other than depriving the giver an opportunity to give a green for an hour. They don't count.

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Post by Syl on Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:41 pm

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Thanks Vintage, I hadn't even noticed I had been given a red  Laughing

Some people dont like hearing the truth, they prefer to shut their eyes....till it affects them of course, then these things begin to make sense.

Reds don't mean anything, other than depriving the giver an opportunity to give a green for an hour.  They don't count.

They mean you have hit a nerve in someone....always quite satisfying. Razz

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Post by Guest on Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:58 pm

Syl wrote:I dont support free movement, when more people come in than leave, especially if they dont have skills to contribute to the country, or they are working at jobs that are denying local people work, or vacancies are advertised in the EU without giving the people who already live here the chance to apply....thats wrong on so many levels.

Many doctors from India (for eg) are fully trained and eager to work in the UK, we are short of doctors, they cant come because of present immigration laws.
Free EU movement is preventing many people from outside the EU the chance to live here. Our NHS, schools, housing market is stretched to bursting. It stands to reason if parts of the world are given free entry other parts of the world will be more limited because of this...we are a small island..

Government statistics claim unemployment is low....thats because so many people have zero hour contracts and  unemployment regulations have been changed in recent years.

It makes me laugh when people who voted BREXIT are considered racist and small minded.....if it's done right it will open up the world for us, and that would include people from outside the EU who are married to Brits having a fairer chance of making their lives here.


I did not give you a red, but can garner either Ben or Eddie did based on their predicatment

So why they would red you is very evident and why they would be very pissed at yout very poor arguments of which i will answer now

1) It happened in the US where far more people came into the US and helped create the most economical powerhouse that still exists today.They never had the infrustruture as you claim is a problem. So how did they tackle this problem?
I mean do you have any idea on how the navvies formed from the Irish and Chinese built the US and in this country with the Irish the railroads. This helped the economy loads. The US is one of those nations that has been able to have mass immigration and succeed

2) The most ridiculous double stadard and quite frankly hypocritical argument I have heard
Do you want people to live here through free movememnt or not? You suggest they cannot and defend against this?
The reality is ion the Uk and Ben is a living example and how the press play poorly on this. Is that Unskilled people are unable to be here. Ben is skilled. The reality is outside the EU, Doctors and nurses have to pass a test. Within the EU, they do not. The US has always been stretched and they enabled for people to become part of a nation and what the problem is here. Is on money spent. The US overcame these problems. What we do in the UK is look to blame the immigrants and not the system.

3) Whilst i agree with how we have problems with importing poor beliefs. Tell that to the indegeneous of every single country that has now basically caused their extincition. What you are saying is the poor unethical bable you have been brought up on, which is Christian bullshit. Is some how morally superior

No it is not

The problem of immigration is not numbers

Its idiots in charge not having a clue.

It is why the US has a major less problem with Muslim integration and they have had far more than European countries have. We have had Muslim immigration ffor centuries

The problem is on what is being imported on beliefs and that is not immigration, but money from some countries supporting a view to indoctrinate

4) Unemployment. What a ridiculous argument. Is the view to employ people geographically or employ all people?

Seriously?

Where is your morals here?

People coming here to work is based on people not taking jobs. That is a fact and its not the immigrants fault

People coming here and not wanting to work is a problem

Do not conflate the two

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Post by Guest on Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:10 pm

Vintage wrote:I can't help but wonder why someone would give Syl a red, it a system used by many successful countries. When everyone is living a similar life economically, free movement will be ok, is it any wonder that three times as many EU citizens, mostly from the poorer countries come to Brtitain as there are Brits working in the rest of the EU. Its the same everywhere. When we have it otherwise it only seems to work for those with skills that are needed otherwise we have the scenario that Syl wrote about people miss out, I don't think they are imagining it, people here can't get jobs, people coming in can be exploited - what's so good about that. The best way to help people from poorer countries is to develop trade with them, give them the means to do for themselves, then they won't have to leave their families and way of life and trudge off across the world to better themselves, unless they actually choose to do so.


I can, Ben, is being denied the basic right of love betwen two people

He loves eddie and is being denied the right to live with her here

If now love is now not free, then something is drastically wrong in how people think Vintage

I the view is to help people or as seen here hinder them being together.

Not based on any harm to this nation, but to deny them love

How warped is that

He is not from a poor country and why should that even matter, when our welath was taken from these poorer countries through exploitation

I dont think you are responsible for crimes of the past, but you ensure people are cast into the pits, based on how we have exploited them. You are not to blame, but neither are they and they should be given a fair chance

Well I am sorry about the myth about people not getting jobs

They can

What we have is a legacy from labour of a minority that have never wanted to work and exploited a system

I mean when people say Brits cannot work, when we have an excess of jobs, is emphatically a lie by those who are anti immigration

The reality is many people can and do have a job and we now cannot fill them, because of how many immigrants have returned home. Many agencies are struggling to fill vacancies now. Because the same people moaning not able to get jobs, have continually exploited the system. To continually ensure they receive benefists

Go figure

Now here, we have an American wanting to work here and being denied this based on xenopbhoic pandering

How in anyway, is that okay?

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Post by Guest on Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:19 pm

So what people are being dishonest about here is one thing

Its not numbers of people coming here

Its what they believe

And that is being used as a pretext to deny people coming to settle here

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Post by Guest on Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:50 pm

You wanted an answer to you question

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t24951-are-you-truly-fair-about-people-you-don-t-like

I see the good in everyone.  Not matter how many here slag me off

I see everyone desrves a fair break and i will argue in their defense for this. Even when people attack me and slagb me off

Your love matters more here and I doubt anyone can argue against that

Stay gold

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Post by eddie on Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:55 pm

Syl, I can quite assure you neither Ben nor I gave you a red?

I can only speak for myself really, but I’d rather argue my point.

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Post by Andy on Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:56 pm

Didge wrote:You wanted an answer to you question

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t24951-are-you-truly-fair-about-people-you-don-t-like

I see the good in everyone. 

I see everyone deserves a fair break

Even Corbyn?

Haven't seen much evidence from you recently.

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:00 pm

Syl wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Syl wrote:I dont support free movement, when more people come in than leave, especially if they dont have skills to contribute to the country, or they are working at jobs that are denying local people work, or vacancies are advertised in the EU without giving the people who already live here the chance to apply....thats wrong on so many levels.

Many doctors from India (for eg) are fully trained and eager to work in the UK, we are short of doctors, they cant come because of present immigration laws.
Free EU movement is preventing many people from outside the EU the chance to live here. Our NHS, schools, housing market is stretched to bursting. It stands to reason if parts of the world are given free entry other parts of the world will be more limited because of this...we are a small island..

Government statistics claim unemployment is low....thats because so many people have zero hour contracts and  unemployment regulations have been changed in recent years.

It makes me laugh when people who voted BREXIT are considered racist and small minded.....if it's done right it will open up the world for us, and that would include people from outside the EU who are married to Brits having a fairer chance of making their lives here.

Do you think I would be incapable of getting a job in the UK?

If not, do you think that I would then have been deemed the best candidate by my company?

So if you think British people should be hired instead of the best candidate, you're actually in favor of kneecapping British companies, right?

And, after 10 years or so, I'd actually become a British citizen, so what about that?

Did I say British people should be hired over the best candidate?

I said many people come here with no special skills and do local people out of a job.
Local people cant even get the job in the first placee if it's advertised abroad and not here....which some companies do.
Butlins and Costa coffee are two that have been in the news for doing exactly that.
My son and his workforce were made redundant twice in a short space of time, only for the company to reopen with a complete Polish workforce who could afford to work and live for less.....they were not better, they were cheaper.

Do you live in an EU country btw??  No....so I wasnt referring to you. I said if the present policy of free movement was changed it would open up immigration from none EU countries.
Stop taking things so personally.

Okay, maybe I misunderstood you. I just took issue with this:

people come in than leave, especially if they dont have skills to contribute to the country, or they are working at jobs that are denying local people work,

I'd love the opportunity to show a British company that I would be a great fit for them, and I don't think my nationality should be a factor.
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Angry Andy wrote:
Didge wrote:You wanted an answer to you question

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t24951-are-you-truly-fair-about-people-you-don-t-like

I see the good in everyone. 

I see everyone deserves a fair break  

Even Corbyn?

Haven't seen much evidence from you recently.


I do think he has some good, for people on the NHS

Sadly this is outweighed with his complicity with hate on Jews and love of terroists

I mean even Hitler loved animals

hence there is some good even in the most evil of people

What is odd here, is how you continue to back someone so antisemitic

Why not condemn him as racist?

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Post by Guest on Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:02 pm

eddie wrote:Syl, I can quite assure you neither Ben nor I gave you a red?

I can only speak for myself really, but I’d rather argue my point.


I never gave one, so who did?

Her points were poor though and ill thought out

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Post by eddie on Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:10 pm

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:Syl, I can quite assure you neither Ben nor I gave you a red?

I can only speak for myself really, but I’d rather argue my point.


I never gave one, so who did?

Her points were poor though and ill thought out

Well who cares, it’s not a scandal Hahahaha

Only way anyone can prove it is to take a screenshot.

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Post by Andy on Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:12 pm

I dont back Corbyn.

I don't particularly like him.

HE has been too anonymous for too much of his career to be a credible leader.
My preferences would be from Yvette Cooper, Sir Kier Starmer , Owen Smith or an outsider like David Miliband.

What I truly HATE, are lies smears and campaigns against individuals.

Ed Miliband got it from Dacre, ably cheered on by Cameron and Osborn.

The paradox is, the more the rw and tories vilify and smear Corbyn, the more likely Labour will eventually elect a new leader who will totally railroad the Tories much as Blair did with Major.

Oddly, Cobyn is the Conservatives best chance of remaini g in power.

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