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Post by eddie on Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:07 pm

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No news items, or links. Let’s pretend we have no access to information, only our memories or experiences.
Our OPINIONS.

If this doesn’t float your boat then don’t join in.

When the debate seems about done we can choose another topic.

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1. No links or references to articles.

2. No going off topic - make another thread.


Remember these are opinions only so really, there’s not always a right or wrong!

Oh, and this thread (nor the rules] is not up for debate. Razz

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Re: DEBATE A TOPIC

Post by nicko on Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:24 pm

No wonder Quill has no success with Women, he doesn't have a clue about them, Past it at 35, an old fiddle plays the best tunes. A woman of 35 or more knows what it's all about, so i'v found !
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Post by Syl on Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:27 pm

Bloody hell, when you get to my age a 35 year old is still a child. Razz

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Re: DEBATE A TOPIC

Post by Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly on Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:17 am

Okay, NEW TOPIC:

Are soldiers inherently brave?

I would say if you actually risked your life, or if you signed up during a war, that's pretty brave.

Otherwise, I don't think soldiers are nearly as brave as, say, firefighters.

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Re: DEBATE A TOPIC

Post by Syl on Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:26 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Okay, NEW TOPIC:

Are soldiers inherently brave?

I would say if you actually risked your life, or if you signed up during a war, that's pretty brave.

Otherwise, I don't think soldiers are nearly as brave as, say, firefighters.
I think many soldiers join up when young and have no idea of what the reality of death and disfigurement is....the young are untouchable.
When reality bites, they are conditioned to obey orders without question.

In combat thats when the bravery kicks in.

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Re: DEBATE A TOPIC

Post by Fred Moletrousers on Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:28 am

I'd willingly join in this debate...but I've forgotten what sex is.

I do vaguely recall milady asking me what would come after sex - and that she didn't seem to be very pleased with my answer.

But seven is correct, innit?

Oh, bugger...now we're supposed to be talking about soldiers.......
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Post by Syl on Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:35 am

Fred Moletrousers wrote:I'd willingly join in this debate...but I've forgotten what sex is.

I do vaguely recall milady asking me what would come after sex - and that she didn't seem to be very pleased with my answer.

But seven is correct, innit?

Oh, bugger...now we're supposed to be talking about soldiers.......
Hahaha......keep up Fred.

Laughter is as good as sex sometimes, so you must be doing OK.

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Re: DEBATE A TOPIC

Post by Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly on Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:21 am

Fred Moletrousers wrote:I'd willingly join in this debate...but I've forgotten what sex is.

I do vaguely recall milady asking me what would come after sex - and that she didn't seem to be very pleased with my answer.

But seven is correct, innit?

Oh, bugger...now we're supposed to be talking about soldiers.......

Ooh, I've got a number joke!

Why was six afraid of seven?

Because seven ate nine!

Cracked up my six-year-old stepdaughter, that one did!

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Re: DEBATE A TOPIC

Post by eddie on Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:22 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:I'd willingly join in this debate...but I've forgotten what sex is.

I do vaguely recall milady asking me what would come after sex - and that she didn't seem to be very pleased with my answer.

But seven is correct, innit?

Oh, bugger...now we're supposed to be talking about soldiers.......

Ooh, I've got a number joke!

Why was six afraid of seven?

Because seven ate nine!

Cracked up my six-year-old stepdaughter, that one did!

Yeah, no. It’s not funny. Wasn’t then, isn’t now.

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Re: DEBATE A TOPIC

Post by Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly on Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:32 am

eddie wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:I'd willingly join in this debate...but I've forgotten what sex is.

I do vaguely recall milady asking me what would come after sex - and that she didn't seem to be very pleased with my answer.

But seven is correct, innit?

Oh, bugger...now we're supposed to be talking about soldiers.......

Ooh, I've got a number joke!

Why was six afraid of seven?

Because seven ate nine!

Cracked up my six-year-old stepdaughter, that one did!

Yeah, no. It’s not funny. Wasn’t then, isn’t now.

You're outnumbered on this one, dude.

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Re: DEBATE A TOPIC

Post by Didge on Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:32 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Okay, NEW TOPIC:

Are soldiers inherently brave?

I would say if you actually risked your life, or if you signed up during a war, that's pretty brave.

Otherwise, I don't think soldiers are nearly as brave as, say, firefighters.

All soldiers are brave but to certain degrees and it more matters on a few individuals that can help overcome fear in combat

Nobody knows what it is like, including me, until faced with combat

A number will want to run and rightly so (who wouldn't). However those clued up will know that its better to go forward than backwards, as you are more likely to die running away. This is a true fact when you are being shelled, as shelling always creeps forward, not backwards. Hence those running back, are running into the shelling creeping forward.

It is really those truely brave and fearless, those that except the finality of death itself, that have helped and won many battles. They are the sort of people that will litterally jump onto a thrown grenade to save their brothers in arms. They are the ones that will always go forward and take the battle head on. The reality is they represent a small percentage of soldiers who do fight, but through them, others follow. Its the same with a firefighter. Only a few will risk their lives going into a fire, knowing it could end their lives. Others would stay back based on the risk. I would say this number is about 5% of all people. This number is true in many different scenarios.

During WW2 they did an actual analysis of this and found what I have said above to be true. They then kept it under raps, as they feared it would create more fear within soldiers.

Like I say though, all of them are brave, just some more than others. As they are placing their lives at continual risk

I mean imagine this. To retieve the bodies of those who had died and with those killed in tanks. It was so horrific, that the best way to retieve bodies in tanks, was with a spoon and cup. To retrive all the parts. Imagine seeing that and what psychological effect that would have on soldiers?

It  is so true when they say a band of brothers and how many are scared for life, during the many battles, seeing their friends die and be injured. It made families out of men.

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Re: DEBATE A TOPIC

Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:03 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Okay, NEW TOPIC:

Are soldiers inherently brave?

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Nope....

Many soldiers will prove to be "brave";  some won't; but I don't consider it "inherent" in a majority ..

In todays military,  half the current seving personnel won't be sent to a conflict if there is one --  and out of those who do go, less than 20% will be out in the action -- with 4 out of 5 in backup and support roles.      That's the nature of 'modern' warfare.

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Post by nicko on Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:28 am

No their not, I was shit scared most of the time. But I did what I was told to do, Because at the time I thought it was the right thing to do !
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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:22 pm

nicko wrote:No their not, I was shit scared most of the time.  But I did what I was told to do,   Because at the time I thought it was the right thing to do !

Nicko, you jumped out of an aeroplane dangling from the end of a big airbag comprising knicker material and string.

The most dangerous thing I did was getting pneumonia because some twerp decided that RAF personnel officers should have to spend a weekend at Bridgenorth living in a tent for a week and running around with a gun (presumably because he thought that recruits might be dangerous and threaten to assault us with their exam papers and pencils).

In my book, chum, you're brave alright...even if you did need an urgent change of underwear.

(I did once get shot at (he missed) and got too close to one of those Israeli/Palestinian spats when hand grenades were being chucked about - but that was when I was a civvie and working aboad.)

Answer to the question: Inherently (adverb): "in a permanent, essential or characteristic way."  

So not necessarily.
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Post by nicko on Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:51 pm

That reminds me of a "black humour" song, sung in Pub after a jump. sung to the tune of Glory Hallelujah------

They scraped him off the Tarmac like a load of Strawberry jam. [repeat twice more],
and he 'aint gonna jump no more!


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Re: DEBATE A TOPIC

Post by Fred Moletrousers on Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:04 pm

nicko wrote:That reminds me of a "black humour" song, sung in Pub after a jump.  sung to the tune of Glory Hallelujah------

 They scraped him off the Tarmac like a load of Strawberry jam. [repeat twice more],
and he 'aint gonna jump no more!



The RAF had a version too...."They scraped him off the runway like a pound of strawberry jam
and he ain't gonna fly any more"
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