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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:45 am

Yahoo News wrote:Michael Cohen Says Trump Knew About Trump Tower Meeting With Russians In Advance: CNN

Nick Visser, ,HuffPost•July 26, 2018

Michael Cohen, the president’s former personal attorney, said Donald Trump knew in advance about a meeting during the 2016 campaign in which Russians were expected to offer negative information about his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, according to a report by CNN.

Citing sources with knowledge of Cohen’s claims, CNN said the attorney is willing to share that information with special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating Russia’s attempt to influence the 2016 presidential election. The sources said Cohen does not have any evidence, including tapes, to back up his claims.

NBC News also reported that Cohen was willing to speak to Meuller about his claims, citing its own “knowledgeable source” on Thursday night.

The meeting occurred at Trump Tower in June 2016 with Donald Trump Jr., son-in-law Jared Kushner and then-campaign manager Paul Manafort. They met with a lawyer linked to the Kremlin and a Russian businessman who initially had offered to disclose dirt on Clinton.

Cohen claims he was in the room when Trump was told about that offer by Trump Jr., CNN said.

Rudy Giuliani, the president’s lawyer and lead attorney on issues related to the Russia inquiry, said Thursday on CNN that Cohen was “just not credible.” He alluded that Cohen was “bitter” about not landing a job in the Trump administration and was “very, very jealous” of the president’s children.

“He’s been lying all week, or two weeks, he’s been lying for years,” Giuliani told CNN’s Chris Cuomo shortly after the report was published. “There’s no doubt in my mind that he’s just not credible. I wouldn’t accept him as a witness as a prosecutor.”

He continued to say he was “not worried” about Cohen’s claims “at all.”

Trump has repeatedly denied having any knowledge about the meeting and told The New York Times in July 2017 that he “didn’t know anything” about it. The Times also reported in June that Trump personally dictated a misleading statement about the purpose of the meeting, even after his aides repeatedly denied that he did so.

The meeting took place after a British publicist, Rob Goldstone, emailed Trump Jr. offering “very high level and sensitive” material linked to Russia that would be damaging to Clinton’s presidential campaign. Trump Jr. responded that if the information was good, “I love it,” and the two began to arrange the rendezvous.

The Russian lawyer at the meeting, Natalia Veselnitskaya, has close ties to senior government officials at the Kremlin, The Associated Press reported earlier on Thursday. AP sifted through hundreds of documents that show Veselnitskaya served as a ghostwriter for top Russian government lawyers and worked with the staff of a senior official at the country’s Interior Ministry.

She has denied acting on behalf of Russian leadership during the meeting at Trump Tower, saying she operates “independently of any governmental bodies.” But Veselnitskaya said in April that she had been “actively communicating” with the Russian prosecutor general since 2013.

It’s the latest fracture between Cohen and his longtime client. Earlier this week, Cohen’s legal team released a secretly recorded conversation made in September 2016 in which the attorney and Trump discuss a payment to former Playboy model Karen McDougal. She has alleged that she had a months-long affair with Trump in 2006.

Doha Madani contributed reporting
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Well, there's your collusion. We already have the obstruction in the firing of Comey, and in the thousands of lies in denial.

All over but the shouting. We await the Articles of Impeachment in January.

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Post by nicko on Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:43 am

Mean while your economy grew over 4% !
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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:14 am

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Mean while your economy grew over 4% !

Basketball

How much of that growth was in genuine (and 'sustainable') productive output, with extra income and benefits being spread across the wider economy, though -- and how much was down to gambling on sharemarkets, shonky property deals, corporate 'asset stripping', international arms sales ???

Too often accelerated spikes in economic "growth" come about through growth in certain high-risk areas (as with "low doc" property investments, allied with poor or no "due diligence" and accountability by financiers..), with too much of the money ending up in too few hands..

How soon people forget about the prevailing conditions prior to the "GFC" in 2006-->>'08, or the stockmarket and real estate 'crashes' of the late 1980s.

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Post by nicko on Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:19 am

He's also shafted the EU to get a better trade deal !
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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:19 pm

nicko wrote:Mean while your economy grew over 4% !

Thanks to Barack Obama.  The economy started taking off in 2011, after Obama pulled American back from the threshold of a second Great Depression, in October 2008.  That threat was the result of the prohibitively expensive Republican war in Iraq, and 'get-rich-quick' banking practices of a forgetful Republican Congress.  See, Commodity Futures Modernization Act (forbade regulation of derivatives) and the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, or Financial Services Modernization Act, (eliminated New Deal barriers to mergers of stockbrokers, commercial and investment banks and insurance companies).

Since Obama came onto the scene, I have been remarking how unemployment has been falling, and the stock market has been soaring...for, going on seven years now.  Trump has only been around for a little more than a year.

Indeed, Trump has been doing his best to ruin Obama's success in the economy by new debts, new taxes and tariffs everywhere.  He's got the delicacy of an elephant in a china shop.

Democrats always have to clean up after Republican messes...and they will again after the public dumps Trump.

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Post by nicko on Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:45 pm

I thought he lowered Taxes and boosted the economy by 4% ?
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nicko wrote:I thought he lowered Taxes and boosted the economy by 4% ?

Nup...the tax cut's already blown up in his face with his trade war and farm welfare.  He lowered corporate taxes, which under trickle-down theory, was supposed to result in more jobs...which, incidentally, we don't need.  We've got over-employment now.

What happened when he lowered corporate taxes--which I predicted on this very web site when the Tax Act passed--was that the money went to corporate buy-backs, and the rich got richer.  The problem now, what with over-employment (we are stuffed with low wage jobs, and two-jobs-per-person), is wages and benefits, which go into making employment more stable.  Trump does nothing when it comes to minimum wage, healthcare or longevity.  He considers wages and benefits, pandering to the riff-raff.

The economy has been booming for seven years as a result of Obama's efforts.  But watch and wait!  Trump, with his tariffs, trade war and farm welfare, will add to the debt even while destroying the growth.  If it can be fooked up, Trump will manage it.

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nicko wrote:I thought he lowered Taxes and boosted the economy by 4% ?

Nup...the tax cut's already blown up in his face with his trade war and farm welfare.  He lowered corporate taxes, which under trickle-down theory, was supposed to result in more jobs...which, incidentally, we don't need.  We've got over-employment now.

What happened when he lowered corporate taxes--which I predicted on this very web site when the Tax Act passed--was that the money went to corporate buy-backs, and the rich got richer.  The problem now, what with over-employment (we are stuffed with low wage jobs, and two-jobs-per-person), is wages and benefits, which go into making employment more stable.  Trump does nothing when it comes to minimum wage, healthcare or longevity.  He considers wages and benefits, pandering to the riff-raff.

The economy has been booming for seven years as a result of Obama's efforts.  But watch and wait!  Trump, with his tariffs, trade war and farm welfare, will add to the debt even while destroying the growth.  If it can be fooked up, Trump will manage it.

I, like many Americans dislike Trump, but here are the facts:

Tax cuts boost the economy. Who knew? The American economy is booming, as figures released today show US GDP grew by a scorching 4.1% in 2017. Employment rates are the best they have been for decades, black and hispanic employment rates are the best they have been in decades. Each percentage point is equivalent to three trillion dollars, and ten million jobs.

Before his election, ‘experts’ predicted precisely the opposite.


  • Moody’s said Trump’s policies would cause a “3.5 million lost jobs” and a “lengthy recession“.

  • Billionaire Mark Cuban said he had “no doubt in [his] mind” that the stock market would “tank“.

  • Citigroup said Trump winning could herald a “global recession“.

  • Former US Treasury Secretary Larry Summers predicted a “protracted recession to begin within 18 months” of a Trump win.

  • Forecasting firm Macroeconomic Advisers estimated a stock market crash of 8%.


People in the US will have had enough of experts now. They won’t have had enough of Trump in 2020…

https://order-order.com/2018/07/27/trumps-america-surging/


https://order-order.com/2018/07/27/trumps-america-surging/.

Which goes back to my same question everytime

Do people care more about what is in their pockets, than they do about human rights?

Answers on a postcard

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:42 pm

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Original Quill wrote:

Nup...the tax cut's already blown up in his face with his trade war and farm welfare.  He lowered corporate taxes, which under trickle-down theory, was supposed to result in more jobs...which, incidentally, we don't need.  We've got over-employment now.

What happened when he lowered corporate taxes--which I predicted on this very web site when the Tax Act passed--was that the money went to corporate buy-backs, and the rich got richer.  The problem now, what with over-employment (we are stuffed with low wage jobs, and two-jobs-per-person), is wages and benefits, which go into making employment more stable.  Trump does nothing when it comes to minimum wage, healthcare or longevity.  He considers wages and benefits, pandering to the riff-raff.

The economy has been booming for seven years as a result of Obama's efforts.  But watch and wait!  Trump, with his tariffs, trade war and farm welfare, will add to the debt even while destroying the growth.  If it can be fooked up, Trump will manage it.

I, like many Americans dislike Trump, but here are the facts:

Tax cuts boost the economy. Who knew? The American economy is booming, as figures released today show US GDP grew by a scorching 4.1% in 2017. Employment rates are the best they have been for decades, black and hispanic employment rates are the best they have been in decades. Each percentage point is equivalent to three trillion dollars, and ten million jobs.

Before his election, ‘experts’ predicted precisely the opposite.


  • Moody’s said Trump’s policies would cause a “3.5 million lost jobs” and a “lengthy recession“.

  • Billionaire Mark Cuban said he had “no doubt in [his] mind” that the stock market would “tank“.

  • Citigroup said Trump winning could herald a “global recession“.

  • Former US Treasury Secretary Larry Summers predicted a “protracted recession to begin within 18 months” of a Trump win.

  • Forecasting firm Macroeconomic Advisers estimated a stock market crash of 8%.


People in the US will have had enough of experts now. They won’t have had enough of Trump in 2020…

https://order-order.com/2018/07/27/trumps-america-surging/


https://order-order.com/2018/07/27/trumps-america-surging/.

Which goes back to my same question everytime

Do people care more about what is in their pockets, than they do about human rights?

Answers on a postcard

Give it time. All the doom prognostications will come to fruition if Trump is allowed to proceed. Economics moves slowly, rarely immediately. Right now we are enjoying the magnificent boom of Obama measures, started in 2011. In time-lapse Lag time, this is about 2014, with a madman with a pick-ax around the corner.

Tariffs are but taxes at the border. Farm subsidies are welfare measures that have no complexity, no fix to them. And moving all wealth into the hands of the richest 1% is a recipe for catastrophic depression. Admit it...Trump has no grasp on economics. All of his programs are facile, 19th-century, grab and run tactics.

And, dammit, Democrats will have to pick up after the bumbling, knuckle dragging Republicans yet again. We could do so much better if they were gone.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:48 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:

I, like many Americans dislike Trump, but here are the facts:


Which goes back to my same question everytime

Do people care more about what is in their pockets, than they do about human rights?

Answers on a postcard

Give it time.  All the doom prognostications will come to fruition if Trump is allowed to proceed.  /


I am pro being in the EU

Heard many predictions with Brexit

All wrong

The reality is this and something you really should be concerned about mate

People will not remember his hate, but whether he places jobs and money in their pockets

Sadly human rights, comes down on the list, over prosperity

I am on your side here and yet here, he has a public relation coup on the economy

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:58 pm

Bedding down with the mafia is something that someone should do only with high reservation...no matter how much bread is on the table.

It'll get you in the end...as Mr. Trump knows well.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:07 pm

Original Quill wrote:Bedding down with the mafia is something that someone should do only with high reservation...no matter how much bread is on the table.

It'll get you in the end...as Mr. Trump knows well.

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Well I know about the mafia more than you

What ever that means

Lets get to the crux of the point

He is going to win votes on this Quill

I think that is a diaster and no PR will change that, until people change their views about the rest of the world

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:20 pm

No, he isn't. He's already in slide mode. Only the Russians can save him. They've tried...

NBC wrote:Senator says Russians made failed attempt to hack her computer

The alleged attempt is one of the first public acknowledgments of a cyberattack tied to the midterm elections.

Thursday, July 26th 2018, 11:05 pm EDT

Sen. Claire McCaskill alleged on Thursday that Russian hackers have tried to gain access to her office’s computer network but have not succeeded.

The alleged attempt is one of the first public acknowledgments of a cyberattack tied to the midterm elections. McCaskill, a Missouri Democrat, is seeking a third term representing a state that voted for Republican Failing Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon two years ago, and she is among the most at-risk Senate Democrats in the upcoming midterms.

“While this attack was not successful, it is outrageous that they think they can get away with this. I will not be intimidated,” McCaskill said in a statement from her office calling Russian President Vladimir Putin “a thug and a bully.”

After the kidnapping of little girls for his Russian friends, he doesn't stand well with women. Evil or Very Mad

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Original Quill wrote:No, he isn't.  He's already in slide mode.  Only the Russians can save him.  They've tried...

NBC wrote:Senator says Russians made failed attempt to hack her computer

The alleged attempt is one of the first public acknowledgments of a cyberattack tied to the midterm elections.

Thursday, July 26th 2018, 11:05 pm EDT

Sen. Claire McCaskill alleged on Thursday that Russian hackers have tried to gain access to her office’s computer network but have not succeeded.

The alleged attempt is one of the first public acknowledgments of a cyberattack tied to the midterm elections. McCaskill, a Missouri Democrat, is seeking a third term representing a state that voted for Republican Failing Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon two years ago, and she is among the most at-risk Senate Democrats in the upcoming midterms.

“While this attack was not successful, it is outrageous that they think they can get away with this. I will not be intimidated,” McCaskill said in a statement from her office calling Russian President Vladimir Putin “a thug and a bully.”

After the kidnapping of little girls for his Russian friends, he doesn't stand well with women.  Evil or Very Mad


At yet when he was as misogynistic as can be, He was elected President

You are not grapsing the real  problem here

He is giving a m,ajority what they want

That is what Hitler did and played off fears

Look at history

Hitler eradicated unemployment basically

They both played to the crowd

You have no idea how to tackle him

Starve him of attention

Dont play into his games and yet the left continually do

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Post by veya_victaous on Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:20 am

it's not the majority his base is only like 30% but that is still enough to win an election without mandatory voting

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:16 am

veya_victaous wrote:it's not the majority his base is only like 30% but that is still enough to win an election without mandatory voting


So Did the Nazi's with basically 44% of the Vote in 1933

In 1928 The Nazi's had  2.6% of the vote

One thing happened thaat changed that

The 1929 wallstreet crash

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:12 am

Trump will be prosecuted and sent to prison, or this country will be aligned with other banana republics that place power and position above rule of law.  It's that simple.

We know that America is not a democracy; the elections of Trump and Bush prove that.  We know that America is essentially a white nationalist state; Trump and Charlottesville proved that.  If Trump is allowed to join Cheney in walking away from his crimes, we will have proved that when push comes to shove America cannot be depended upon to stand for its high principles.

The fabric of America as a state is now in question.  Obama thought that this fabric was strong enough to ignore the criminal activity of Richard Cheney...it was not.  It certainly is not strong enough to withstand the tsunami of Donald Trump, especially with a foreign state backing him. The future will be bleak. Political discussion will become beastly, and violence will surely increase and more autocrats will follow.

All the rhetoric and diversions aside, it's as simple as that. This is the rise and fall of the American Empire.  If America loses this one, it will become a passing joke in world history.


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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:19 am

Its like a broken record, still missing the point I am making

The US is based on democratic principles

You never once claimed it was not democratic under Obama and this is what is wrong with the hypocrisy of some of the left

The US is not a white nationalist state, more hyperbole to say the least, when the majority voted in a Black President

You keep playing off racism all the time and insult millions of Americans. As by your own argument, you would then be part of a white nationalist state, which you still remain happy to live within

Its complete hyperbole, that you post Quill, where again, to you, anyone that voted for Trump is a racist, which is irrationally wrong on so many levels. Of course racists did vote for him, but many not racist also voted for him, because they were deceived with hyperbole, just as you are doing now. It also shows and prove how little you know about history

The reality is this. Trump is a problem and so are people like you.

You should be looking to bridge divides and yet you play on the same divides that Trump does

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:15 pm

Didge wrote:You never once claimed it was not democratic under Obama and this is what is wrong with the hypocrisy of some of the left

That's not true at all. Pre-Obama, and during Obama, I pointed out that George W. Bush failed to achieve a majority of votes, making him appointed and not democratically elected.

There is no hypocrisy on the left. You, like all rightys, tend to be intellectually lazy...and you don't read to the bottom of the post or article. Then you come up with twisted contortions of what someone said, and that's why so many of your post threads turn into rat fooks.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:21 pm

Didge wrote:The US is not a white nationalist state, more hyperbole to say the least, when the majority voted in a Black President

Once!  And that was only because he was a gifted, intellectually strong, and handsome candidate.

Now, what is significant is the backlash of electing a black president: in the aftermath the US appointed a white nationalist, and it brought out the white racism of which I have been speaking.  Just look at Charlottesville and Puerto Rico, not to mention the border patrol kidnappings.

My point has been greatly vindicated.

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