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Post by Andy on Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:50 am

The bloke is potty even to consider it as an option.
Mexico, Panama and Canada next in his attempt at world domination?

Trump repeatedly suggested invading Venezuela, stunning top aides – report

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/04/trump-suggested-invading-venezuela-report?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard


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Post by Guest on Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:35 am

Got to love the left here with Andy

Trump shows he is not anti-latino and wants to help countless people suffering under a Socialist dictatorship. By removing a leadership that has seen soaring inflation, shortages of food and medical supplies. Where many people have to wait in line for hours just to get some food and basic needs. 85% of basic medicines are unavailable. Hospitals lack supplies like Anti-biotics, guase and soap. Infant mortality has jumped up by 30% and maternal mortality by 60%.

87% of the population is in poverty. 30% of children are malnourished. Any opposition is either murdered or placed in jail. It has a  homicide rate at 91.8 homicides per 100,000 residents. At least 1,500,000 have fled into neighbouring countries, placing ect problems for these countries. Trying to cope with the mass influx of refugees

I could go with how the list is endless of the suffering of these people.

Again I think Trump is a complete dick domestically. His policies domestically are destructive, but on foreign policy, he wants to do more than the previous 10 Presidents before him put together. So where he looks to end this suffering to then remove an Abhorant dictatorship. The left are up in arms and would rather maintain the suffereing of the people of Venezuela. I think the world should look to invade this despotic country and restore order there, in order that people have basic human rights again.

Its got nothing to do with Domination, prehaps you should read your link.

“We’re all over the world and we have troops all over the world in places that are very very far away, Venezuela is not very far away and the people are suffering and dying. We have many options for Venezuela including a possible military option if necessary.”

You cannot make it up how the left would rather see people continually suffer and do nothing to help them. I mean what did they do with bullies at school, with such a philosophy?

Nothing, they watched people continue to be bullied and suffer

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/07/04/addressing-human-rights-and-humanitarian-crisis-venezuela

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Post by Andy on Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:15 am

Utter bollocks, Didge.
Trump only suggests and acts on 2 principles.
"What's in it for me, and how much buck can I make"


Even his top sides were aghast at his notion.

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Post by Guest on Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:12 am

Angry Andy wrote:Utter bollocks, Didge.
Trump only suggests and acts on 2 principles.
"What's in it for me, and how much buck can I make"


Even his top sides were aghast at his notion.

Because they are as gutless as you

You want to do nothing and allow, as has been happenning to these people, constant suffering

You have no idea on Trump

He is egotistic and trying to pull off what no other President has down
Hence why he does policies that will make him look great in history
Its always been about his ego

Peace in Korea
Peace between Israel and the Arabs
Removing a socialist dictator, to allow the people human rights

Does that sound like global domination to you?

Seriously?

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Post by Andy on Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:04 pm

Well, he ain't gonna do that wearing Orange overalls and stainless steel bracelets.
He is going down..
For a long stretch.

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Post by Guest on Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:07 pm

Angry Andy wrote:Well, he ain't gonna do that wearing Orange overalls and stainless steel bracelets.
He is going down..
For a long stretch.


Is he?

If he has committed a crime tht breaks US law, then he should go to Jail

If before that he brings about peace in North Korea and the Arabs/Israel, what will you say then?

The reality is and again I will stress, the radical left want to do nothing about actual human rights issues all around the globe, except of course against the Jews with Israel.

Here we have a Socialist Dictatorship, where millions are suffering and you knock Trump for wanting to free these people from this?

Sorry, but what Liberal values do you stand for, thinking that is some how wrong?

I do not support Trump and again I stress I think he is an egotistical idiot, but on some foreign polices. He is 100% right

You see, recently Corbyn, wants to decriminalize Cannabis, I support him on this policy and yet on others I think he is an idiot.

Do you see how you can in fact support some polices, from people who are generally idiots?

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:50 pm

Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3755771736

Fuck off Didge...

You lying stupid fascist numbnuts..

Not happy with parking your dumbfuck apologist head up Netanyahu's warmongering arse day-in and day-out;  now you advocate the dictator Trump invading a neighbouring tinpot-dictatorship, with no actual provocation needed.


As bad as the pseudo-"socialist" Venezuelan regime is, we don't see them invading their neighbours;  nor waging war on the USA..

The fascist fuck Didge, though --  true to his crusading form --  advocates invading a foreign country simply because their politics is the opposite to his own preferred brand of dictators  !!!

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3755771736

Fuck off Didge...

You lying stupid fascist numbnuts..

Not happy with parking your dumbfuck apologist head up Netanyahu's warmongering arse day-in and day-out;  now you advocate the dictator Trump invading a neighbouring tinpot-dictatorship, with no actual provocation needed.

As bad as the pseudo-"socialist" Venezuelan regime is, we don't see them invading their neighbours;  nor waging war on the USA..

The fascist fuck Didge, though --  true to form --  advocates invading a foreign country simply because their politics is the opposite to his own preferred brand of dictators  !!!


And a prime example of someone very immature, not responding to a single point I made and instead shrieking infantile abuse

Like I said, the radical left want to see people continually persecuted and denied basic human rights under a socialist Dictatorship

The Venezuelan Socialist Autocratic state are waging war on their own people and these people are our people, as we are one species.

Hence Universal rights for everyone

I advocate, just like we have before in WW2 freeing nations from Tyranny and oppression. Though we also again have the denialism, that this is a Socialist country (Venezula Is ruled by Authoritarian Socialism), just as we have Holocaust denialists. . Two peas in a pod and as seen here, happy to allow the continued suffering of the Venezuelan people.

So it should be invaded by all Liberal Nations to free people from oppression. To allow them to form an actual democratic nation, not forced upon them by force, as it is now under a Socialist Dictatorship

Of course the left as seen by Wolf, wants to allow this to continue and thus does not believe in Univseral human Rights

What more can I say and proof that the radical left do not give a shit about other ethnic groups, they are quite happy to see them perpetually suffer in other countries.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/07/04/addressing-human-rights-and-humanitarian-crisis-venezuela

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:03 pm

Didge wrote:Trump shows he is not anti-latino and wants to help countless people suffering under a Socialist dictatorship.

That's probably one of the dumbest things you've ever said: If you want to defeat a corrupt regime, you send another corrupt regime! WTF??

That's like, send a thief to catch a thief! It make's for a good movie plot, but only a shit-for-brains would think it actually works.

We've got bigger fish to fry than Venezuela, right now. We've got a nation being run by organized crime, trying to hook up with another organized crime nation in Russia.

Besides, Venezuela is an oil producing nation. Trump always gets a hard-on when he's around oil. I suggest Trump is raising this for ulterior purposes.

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3755771736

Fuck off Didge...

You lying stupid fascist numbnuts..

Not happy with parking your dumbfuck apologist head up Netanyahu's warmongering arse day-in and day-out;  now you advocate the dictator Trump invading a neighbouring tinpot-dictatorship, with no actual provocation needed.


As bad as the pseudo-"socialist" Venezuelan regime is, we don't see them invading their neighbours;  nor waging war on the USA..

The fascist fuck Didge, though --  true to his crusading form --  advocates invading a foreign country simply because their politics is the opposite to his own preferred brand of dictators  !!!

Horray!  I agree...I can't believe what a warmongering idiot didge is morphing into.  Christ!  He's worse than John Bolton and the other Bush neo-cons who fabricated cause for invading Iraq.

I'm glad he's not an American.  Put him on the no-fly list.

Have a alien , wolf

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Didge wrote:Trump shows he is not anti-latino and wants to help countless people suffering under a Socialist dictatorship.

That's probably one of the dumbest things you've ever said: If you want to defeat a corrupt regime, you send another corrupt regime!  WTF??

That's like, send a thief to catch a thief!  It make's for a good movie plot, but only a shit-for-brains would think it actually works.

We've got bigger fish to fry than Venezuela, right now.  We've got a nation being run by organized crime, trying to hook up with another organized crime nation in Russia.

Besides, Venezuela is an oil producing nation.  Trump always gets a hard-on when he's around oil.  I suggest Trump is raising this for ulterior purposes.


And there was me waiting for someone sensible to debate, and I get the other village idiot.

So you now compare the US to Venezula

Wow

They are not even comparabkle, just more of your unhinged fanatzies

So lets further embarress you now

Show me the laws in comparrison with each country?

Show me the levels of poverty?

Show me the levels of medical supplies?

Show me the levels of arrests of political opponents, who are then executed?

Show me the levels of malnourished children?

Show me the death rates for infant mortality?

Show me the levels for Maternal mortality?

Levels of corruption per country?

I knew the left would come in and try and compare an Autocratic Socialist Dictaorship, to the US, in order to defend the evils of Socialist Venezula

Of course then we have even more idiocy over oil, when the US is now one of the biggest producers, ignoring the factits about freeing oppressed people

Now dumbo, you have one chance to answer the questions and back up your claim, they are as comparable in corruption?

I already have the answers to this and lets see if you try and worm your way out of this?

Of course he thinks by saying there is bigger fish to fry, claiming the US people are more under oppression that the people pof Venezula

If that does not convince people, that Quill is unhinged, then nothing will, as its complete nonsense and shows again the left do not care about non-American ethnic groups in Southern America. Thus xenophobic to think the US people are suffering worse.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:37 pm

Haha...SCORE!

Didge wrote:So you now compare the US to Venezula

Wow

Wow indeed. "Normal" is no more. The "expected" is no longer to be expected. The only person whom he will praise, is his own capo-di-capi, Putin. Have you ever seen a more perfect model for organized crime?

The administration now in control in Washington is a bona fide organized crime syndicate. Why do you think Trump would never release his tax returns?

Stay tuned, cricket. You will learn.

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Original Quill wrote:Haha...SCORE!  

Didge wrote:So you now compare the US to Venezula

Wow

Wow indeed.  "Normal" is no more.  The "expected" is no longer to be expected.  The only person whom he will praise, is his own capo-di-capi, Putin.  Have you ever seen a more perfect model for organized crime?

The administration now in control in Washington is a bona fide organized crime syndicate.  Why do you think Trump would never release his tax returns?

Stay tuned, cricket.  You will learn.

So I knew you would bow out of answering

That was way too easy for me

https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2017

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:00 pm

Didge wrote:So I knew you would bow out of answering

I've already blown out your whole thesis with my first post.  You raise nothing of a political nature with your irrelevant list.

As I look over your 'things needing answers' most are off-point: medical supplies, infant mortality, malnourishment, maternal mortality???  We're talking politics, not reading from a medical dictionary.

Get to the important point: corruption!  That's where all the poverty and lack of sanitation comes from.  That's why medical supplies and doctors are not getting there.  That's the cause of your infant and maternal mortality.

Christ, Venezuela is not even socialist...it is corrupt.  And the US is corrupt...and here you are, looking for one corrupt dog to clean up another corrupt dog.

Your argument is with socialism.  You don't care a whit about health and medical problems.  You just use Venezuela to bang on an economic theory, so you can say see...I told you so.   Another red herring.

If you want a real socialist nation to bang on, try Great Britain or China.  Ooppps....bad examples, eh?

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Didge wrote:So I knew you would bow out of answering

I've already blown out your whole thesis with my first post.  You raise nothing of a political nature with your irrelevant list.

Have you?

Seems like you got schooled again lying

The reality is you want the people in Venezula to continue to suffer, which is under Authoritarian Socialism. I suggest you look it up and understand what that is. Like I say you are like a Holocaust denier, denying the Authoritarian Socialism system in Venezula

Which is very evident being as you are a socialist also

What better way to understand the evils of Socialism and you just proved that

To compare them on corruption was so stupid, it was embarressing

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Post by Guest on Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:26 pm

This is the Authoritarian Socialism that Quill is in denial over

What is even worse, even if it was not, why is he denying the barbarity going on there, where people are denied basic human rights?

Because he wants to continually defend Socialism, when in reality it requires Totalitarianism to work in practice

Overview

Since President Maduro came to power in 2013, there has been an alarming rise in the intensity of abuses and the severity of the rights crackdown in Venezuela. Political and civil society repression has stifled dissenting voices. Severe shortages of food and essential medicines have created life-threatening conditions. More than one and a half million Venezuelans have fled the country in response to the human rights and humanitarian crisis. In its report launched during the current Council session, OHCHR highlighted the climate of complete impunity, leading the High Commissioner to comment that “the rule of law is virtually absent in Venezuela”.



Civil and political crackdown

In its recent report, OHCHR highlighted that arbitrary arrests and detentions have been used increasingly by the Venezuelan intelligence and security forces since July 2017 to repress and intimidate civil society, political opponents, or any voices that might criticize the government or publicly express discontent. More than 12,000 people have been arbitrarily detained since 2014, with at least 570 people, including 35 children, detained in the period of 9 months between August 2017 and May 2018 alone. Many who have been detained have been held incommunicado, and have suffered cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment which clearly amounts to torture, including electric shocks, severe beatings, asphyxiation, and sexual abuse including rape.

Many of those who protest against the government have been summarily executed by security forces. The Bolivarian National Guard has actively blocked attempts to identify perpetrators, creating a climate of impunity. Between July 2015 and March 2017, 505 people including 24 children were murdered by security forces in ways that could amount to extrajudicial killings. In February, ICC prosecutor Fatou Bensouda announced that her office is opening a preliminary investigation into the use of excessive force, including killings and unlawful detentions.

The OHCHR report documents numerous cases of extrajudicial killings, perpetrated with impunity, including the following testimony from a mother whose sons were killed by State security forces:

“In August 2016, I was at home with my two sons; the oldest was 22 years old and the youngest 16. I was doing laundry in the courtyard when CICPC officers broke into my house. … One officer was leaning over my son who was on the floor and I heard [the officer] ask his boss if he should arrest him. The boss answered that the instruction was to kill him. I was taken to another room and I heard two shots…. If he had done something bad, they should have taken him back to court, rather than simply kill him. …

I was brought to a police station where they told me that I did not have the right to sit in a chair. They started asking questions about my son. They beat me and threw me on the floor. They kept me there for one day without food and water and told me that I was responsible for having given birth to a criminal. They also told me that they would visit my home whenever they wanted and that within less than a year they would come back for my other son.

On 19 July 2017, the OLP came back to my neighbourhood. This time they arrested my youngest son who was out in the street with some friends. After searching for him at hospitals and police stations, someone told me that he was in the morgue. They showed me a photo of his body.”



Humanitarian crisis

Severe shortages of food and medicine are making it increasingly difficult for many Venezuelans to feed their families and have access to the most basic healthcare. The population lost an average of 11 kilos in 2017. Most Venezuelans go to bed hungry, and moderate to severe malnutrition among children under age 5 increased by more than 50 percent in 2017. Venezuela’s then-health minister released official data last year indicating that, in 2016 alone, infant mortality increased by 30 percent, maternal mortality 65 percent, and malaria cases 76 percent. Days later, she was fired.

The UN special rapporteur on the right to food has said that strategies to cope in times of crisis have “dramatic longer-term effects, particularly for women and children”. Stories such as Kim’s - a nurse who worked two jobs to provide for her children, trying to cure the sick amid the country’s shortages of basic medicines and supplies, but at the cost of barely seeing them – tells of how the crisis has disproportionate effects on women, who remain, in many families, the primary caregivers for children or other family members.

Earlier this year, a group of Special Procedures, including the Special Rapporteurs on food, health, adequate housing and extreme poverty issued a joint statement, saying: “Vast numbers of Venezuelans are starving, deprived of essential medicines, and trying to survive in a situation that is spiralling downwards with no end in sight”.



Refugee crisis

According to UNHCR, more than 1.5 million Venezuelans have fled the country, for reasons including political persecution, violence, and the ongoing humanitarian crisis. As a result, a 2,000 percent increase in asylum applications has been recorded across Latin America since 2014. Those caught in this state of limbo are "particularly vulnerable to exploitation, extortion, violence, including sexual and gender-based violence, human trafficking, forced recruitment into criminal groups, discrimination and xenophobia". Despite this, many interviewed by HRW hope to return home — but cannot do so, until they can return to a Venezuela where they do not have to fear that they, their family or friends will face execution, starvation, or enforced disappearance.



Need for Human Rights Council action

The Lima Group has shown consistent leadership in bringing attention to the human rights and humanitarian crisis in Venezuela, but the Human Rights Council should also play its part. Ultimately, the Council should put in place the international investigation that the High Commissioner has called for, and which is desperately needed.

This session, Human Rights Watch urges States to express a strong, clear message of collective concern at the deteriorating situation in Venezuela, and to encourage continued reporting by the High Commissioner to the Council.


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So what is the lefts answer to this problem?

I see nothing from them to say what can be done here

Does anyone else?

No, because they will have to admit that yet again Socialism has failed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_socialism

So I back removing a Socialist Dictator and allowing the people to rebuild their country Democratically, the left offer no solutions to the plight of these people.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:43 pm

Didge wrote:The reality is you want the people in Venezula to continue to suffer, which is under Authoritarian Socialism. I suggest you look it up and understand what that is. Like I say you are like a Holocaust denier, denying the Authoritarian Socialism system in Venezula

Which is very evident being as you are a socialist also

Ummmhum, so you admit that you're not about Venezuela, but about knocking down socialism. Well, we got ya that far. Let's see what else we can get you to take off.

Venezuela is no more socialist that Attila the Hun. Corruption is just theft...no one benefits, except the person filling his pockets.

If we had clean hands ourselves, we might attack corruption (as opposed to socialism), but let me assure you that Trump is no more interested in sick/dying South Americans, than he is in marrying Stormy Daniels. He want's a quick 'thank you, ma'am' and then off...

Trump is into oil. He openly admits that the only thing we did wrong with Iraq is not grab the oil. He has made a devil's pact with Vladimir Putin for 19.5% of Rosneft Oil, in return for which the US looks away from the land grab in the Ukraine. Oil is money, and the only thing he covets is money.

A quick grab-and-run on Venezuela might be just the summer's diversion for him. He lives and breaths money.

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Didge wrote:The reality is you want the people in Venezula to continue to suffer, which is under Authoritarian Socialism. I suggest you look it up and understand what that is. Like I say you are like a Holocaust denier, denying the Authoritarian Socialism system in Venezula

Which is very evident being as you are a socialist also

Ummmhum, so you admit that you're not about Venezuela, but about knocking down socialism.  Well, we got ya that far.  Let's see what else we can get you to take off.

Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3350646086

Venezuela is no more socialist that Attila the Hun.  Corruption is just theft...no one benefits, except the person filling his pockets.

Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3350646086


A quick grab-and-run on Venezuela might be just the summer's diversion for him.  He lives and breaths money.
So what is the lefts answer to this problem?

I see nothing from them to say what can be done here

Does anyone else?

No, because they will have to admit that yet again Socialism has failed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_socialism

So I back removing a Socialist Dictator and allowing the people to rebuild their country Democratically, the left offer no solutions to the plight of these people.

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:22 am

what sort of Evil Apologist for colonialism believes they have a right to Invade a sovereign nation with out legal reason. Just because they think they know better (even though there is no evidence of that)

what right Does some pea brained British Twat have to decide the leadership on a nation he has nothing to do with on the other side of the Planet?
and they to pretend they have morals because they want to launch an Bloody invasion of a nation that they have no business being involved with.

Didge is hell bent on re-enacting every Evil of European colonialism cause he is too dumb to see beyond the lip service fellation be is constantly dribbling Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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veya_victaous wrote:what sort of Evil Apologist for colonialism believes they have a right to Invade a sovereign nation  with out legal reason. Just because they think they know better (even though there is no evidence of that)
Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3350646086
what right Does some pea brained British Twat have to decide the leadership on a nation he has nothing to do with on the other side of the Planet? Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3350646086
and they to pretend they have morals because they want to launch an Bloody invasion of a nation that they have no business being involved with.
Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3350646086
Didge is hell bent on re-enacting every Evil of European colonialism cause he is too dumb to see beyond the lip service fellation be is constantly dribbling Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3350646086


You mean like the reasons that we did in Kosova?

We did so for Humanitarian reasons. Its called Humanitarian Intervention

Are you going to now repeat the above, as we saved many Muslims from Genocide?

Opps

You see the radical left again excuse the murder and persecution of the Venezula people by its Socialist Authortarian Governement

They want to as I said, sit back and allow the continued suffering of these people

Didge is hell bent on Humanitarian reasons, to save the Venezulan people

The radical left are hell bent on allowing their suffering.


As conditions in Venezuela worsen, the solutions that must now be considered include what was once inconceivable. A negotiated political transition remains the preferred option, but military intervention by a coalition of regional forces may be the only way to end a man-made famine threatening millions of lives.

CAMBRIDGE – The Venezuelan crisis is moving relentlessly from catastrophic to unimaginable. The level of misery, human suffering, and destruction has reached a point where the international community must rethink how it can help.

Two years ago, I warned of a coming famine in Venezuela, akin to Ukraine’s 1932-1933 Holomodor. On December 17, The New York Times published front-page photographs of this man-made disaster.

In July, I described the unprecedented nature of Venezuela’s economic calamity, documenting the collapse in output, incomes, and living and health standards. Probably the single most telling statistic I cited was that the minimum wage (the wage earned by the median worker) measured in the cheapest available calorie, had declined from 52,854 calories per day in May 2012 to just 7,005 by May 2017 – not enough to feed a family of five.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/venezuela-catastrophe-military-intervention-by-ricardo-hausmann-2018-01?barrier=accesspaylog

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Hausmann

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Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3755771736
Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3755771736
Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3755771736

Once again, the fallacious fascist-loving anti-democracy anti-social warmongering fuckup Didge falls back on to his usual puerile defence...

Lamely labelling all of his opponents as "liars" a d worse,  not even having the backbone to own the bullshit he's been posting on here..

Dodger is lying through his teeth on here; he lies over what he has openly posted the day before; he lies over Israel, Zionism and Trump; he lies over British colonial and slavetrading history; he constantly attempts to group all of his opponents as "Marxists", "the left", "regressive left", "lapdogs" -- denying other peoples' individuality while claiming he himself doesn't support those fascist idealogues whose YouTube clips he regularly posts on here !


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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3755771736
Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3755771736
Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3755771736

Once again, the fallacious fascist-loving anti-democracy anti-social warmongering fuckup Didge falls back on to his usual puerile defence...
Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3350646086
Lamely labelling all of his opponents as "liars" a d worse,  not even having the backbone to own the bullshit he's been posting on here..
Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3350646086

Oh wow, yet more yapping at my ankles and nothing to counter my points and yet again more and more false accusations levelled at me. This is all the immature radical left can do. Again we see such ridiculous claims leveled against me, when I have never supported Fascism or Trump. I have never lied over British colonialism and the slave trade etc. In fact there is not one single post where I ever have, but as seen the radical left when desperte, engage in poor attempts to deligitimize

So are you saying our Humanitarian Intervention in Kosova was wrong and we should have allowed a genocide to continue?

Well someone calling me evil and colonialist. When my parents families was ruled under Colonialism, for wanting to help a people from suffering, is emphatically a liar.

Maybe you think this Venezulan below is a fascist, because the only fascism I am seeing is coming from those not wanting to help the Venezulan people? Now if you can come up with something better to prevent this disaster in Venezula, then I am all ears. Though the next point is how then will this stop the present looming disaster there?

The very fact that many children are already malnourished, is going to effect them for the rest of their lives now. Even if of course we intervene now. Its going to effect their growth and well being.

So stop acting like a child and being a liar, calling people fascist for wanting to help people, as you are being nothing more than an idiot.

As conditions in Venezuela worsen, the solutions that must now be considered include what was once inconceivable. A negotiated political transition remains the preferred option, but military intervention by a coalition of regional forces may be the only way to end a man-made famine threatening millions of lives.

CAMBRIDGE – The Venezuelan crisis is moving relentlessly from catastrophic to unimaginable. The level of misery, human suffering, and destruction has reached a point where the international community must rethink how it can help.

Two years ago, I warned of a coming famine in Venezuela, akin to Ukraine’s 1932-1933 Holomodor. On December 17, The New York Times published front-page photographs of this man-made disaster.

In July, I described the unprecedented nature of Venezuela’s economic calamity, documenting the collapse in output, incomes, and living and health standards. Probably the single most telling statistic I cited was that the minimum wage (the wage earned by the median worker) measured in the cheapest available calorie, had declined from 52,854 calories per day in May 2012 to just 7,005 by May 2017 – not enough to feed a family of five.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/venezuela-catastrophe-military-intervention-by-ricardo-hausmann-2018-01?barrier=accesspaylog

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Hausmann

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:06 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3755771736
Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3755771736
Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3755771736

Once again, the fallacious fascist-loving anti-democracy anti-social warmongering fuckup Didge falls back on to his usual puerile defence...

Lamely labelling all of his opponents as "liars" a d worse,  not even having the backbone to own the bullshit he's been posting on here..

Dodger is lying through his teeth on here;  he lies over what he has openly posted the day before; he lies over Israel, Zionism and Trump;  he lies over British colonial and slavetrading history;   he constantly attempts to group all of his opponents as "Marxists", "the left", "regressive left", "lapdogs" --  denying other peoples' individuality while claiming he himself doesn't support those fascist idealogues whose YouTube clips he regularly posts on here !

I wonder.  Does didge own kidnapping children?  That seems to be Trump's gig for the moment.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:26 am

And Quiill further proves my point and sink to a new low

Not one can offer a solution to this looming diaster

They instead use infantile accusations

Case closed and proof the radical left are no champions of Liberal values

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:10 am

Get some sleep, didge. You're drunk.

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And yet more infantile replies

The floor is open to someone sensible and has an actual intellect to actually offer up a solution to this looming disaster facing the people of Venezual.

Its got to be good or soon, otherwise a military Humanitarian Intervention is required by Nato.

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Original Quill wrote:Get some sleep, didge.  You're drunk.


do you have a solution to the massive problems that the people of Venezuela are going through?

any ideas of what would be the right thing to do? do we just let them starve to death? they are only the common people after all because the ones in charge won't be suffering at all

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:28 pm

gelico wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Get some sleep, didge.  You're drunk.


do you have a solution to the massive problems that the people of Venezuela are going through?

any ideas of what would be the right thing to do?  do we just let them starve to death?  they are only the common people after all because the ones in charge won't be suffering at all

Rolling Eyes

Typical gellibelli, the braindead fascist pig

All too ready to invade foreign countries; simply because they look different, speak different, pray different..

Just another typical bigmouth colonialism/corporatism apologist prat-without-a-clue.

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3755771736
Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3755771736
Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3755771736

Once again, the fallacious fascist-loving anti-democracy anti-social warmongering fuckup Didge falls back on to his usual puerile defence...

Lamely labelling all of his opponents as "liars" a d worse,  not even having the backbone to own the bullshit he's been posting on here..

Dodger is lying through his teeth on here;  he lies over what he has openly posted the day before; he lies over Israel, Zionism and Trump;  he lies over British colonial and slavetrading history;   he constantly attempts to group all of his opponents as "Marxists", "the left", "regressive left", "lapdogs" --  denying other peoples' individuality while claiming he himself doesn't support those fascist idealogues whose YouTube clips he regularly posts on here !

I wonder.  Does didge own kidnapping children?  That seems to be Trump's gig for the moment.
Arrow

Didge is nothing more than a lying piece of shit --  often claiming to speak out against injustices and corrupt governments without any bias or favourtism,  and yet we have never actually seen him actually criticising a Zionist regime or their propaganda lies, nor any right-wing gov'ts, on here ???

Didge has also fudged the issue of slave-trading with Britain, as well --  he claims that Britain "abolished slavery" early in the 19th century --  but skirts around the fact that was only in England/Wales/Scotland..

The British gov't was still using the Army to enforce slavery in South Africa, and later Rhodesia and Uganda, throughout the 19th century and into the early 20th century.

The British Admiralty was still using the Navy to transport South Pacific Islander slave labour to British-owned sugar and tobacco plantations in Queensland and New Guinea over that same period of fading "Empire" colonialism.

Didge doesn't care, though --   he's only interested in the political leanings of those involved,  where only those claiming to be any brand of "socialist" (fake or not..) needed to be looked at..

And let's not forget that the Churchill-led war cabinet stole thousands of British children, and shipped them abroad --  where hundreds ended up as slave labour on farms, while hundreds more were handed over to their paedophile chums..

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
gelico wrote:


do you have a solution to the massive problems that the people of Venezuela are going through?

any ideas of what would be the right thing to do?  do we just let them starve to death?  they are only the common people after all because the ones in charge won't be suffering at all

Rolling Eyes

Typical gellibelli, the braindead fascist pig



you flirt

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I wonder.  Does didge own kidnapping children?  That seems to be Trump's gig for the moment.
Arrow

Didge is nothing more than a lying piece of shit --  often claiming to speak out against injustices and corrupt governments without any bias or favourtism,  and yet we have never actually seen him actually criticising a Zionist regime or their propaganda lies, nor any right-wing gov'ts, on here ???

Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3350646086


Didge has also fudged the issue of slave-trading with Britain, as well --  he claims that Britain "abolished slavery" early in the 19th century --  but skirts around the fact that was only in England/Wales/Scotland..

Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3350646086

Didge wrote:They did abolish the slave trade, others within the British Empire still abused this. Just as we see today, how there is criminals that enslave people. So did I lie?
No

The British gov't was still using the Army to enforce slavery in South Africa, and later Rhodesia and Uganda, throughout the 19th century and into the early 20th century.
Didge wrote:Gibberish, they certainly persecuted, but there was no slavery, by the British Goverment

The British Admiralty was still using the Navy to transport South Pacific Islander slave labour to British-owned sugar and tobacco plantations in Queensland and New Guinea over that same period of fading "Empire" colonialism.
Didge wrote:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-17/blackbirding-australias-history-of-kidnapping-pacific-islanders/8860754

Didge doesn't care, though --   [i]he's only interested in the political leanings of those involved,  where only those claiming to be any brand of "socialist" (fake or not..) needed to be looked at..

Trump wanted to invade Venezuela. 3350646086

And let's not forget that the Churchill-led war cabinet [b]stole thousands of British children,
and shipped them abroad --  where hundreds ended up as slave labour on farms, while hundreds more were handed over to their paedophile chums..

That was the first point you made correct of which I have actually posted many articles on
I have never played down the British slave trade and in fact again many times denounced it.
So nobody is believing you except the other two village idiot liars.

So again you make up lies, falsely accuse me and dont make a single point on anything in the actual debate

Its try to deligitimize Didge, as none of you has an actual answer to this problem


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Post by Guest on Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:26 pm

Do you know what is even more stupid here is Wolf not even understanding I am actually also half Irish and know very well the persecution by the English and British against the Irish. So in no way do I ever defend Britain, i correct misinformation, normally stated by the Jealous Aussies.

Go figure

Now back to the debate

The floor is open to someone sensible and has an actual intellect to actually offer up a solution to this looming disaster facing the people of Venezual.

Its got to be good or soon, otherwise a military Humanitarian Intervention is required by Nato.

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