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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:41 pm

The Department of Homeland Security says 1,995 minors were separated from their "alleged adult guardians" at the southern border in just over a monthlong period.

A DHS spokesman said the separations occurred between April 19 and the end of May under the administration's relatively new "zero tolerance" policy, in which parents have also been arrested.

The Trump administration's practice of separating migrant children from their parents at the southern border has brought attention to a little-known government agency. The Office of Refugee Resettlement is responsible for finding homes for unaccompanied migrant children, those who attempt to enter the country without their parents. Now the agency also has to shelter those the government has separated from their families.

The government says more than 10,000 children are in shelters run by the Office of Refugee Resettlement. The office is part of the Department of Health and Human Services.

In the Obama administration, the ORR was overseen by acting Assistant Secretary Mark Greenberg. Greenberg, now with the Migration Policy Institute, says there is a careful process to determine how to place unaccompanied children, most of whom come from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador. The agency, he says, "initially seeks to determine if the child has a parent in this country; and if not a parent, a close relative; and if not a close relative, a more distant relative or a family friend."

Until a sponsor is found, ORR relies on a network of 100 shelters in 14 states to house the children.

Again we see, people say they want draconian immigration laws, then end up seeing utterly inhumane practices enacted.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/16/620451012/dhs-nearly-2-000-children-separated-from-adults-at-border-in-six-weeks

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Post by Guest on Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:47 pm

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The Department of Homeland Security says 1,995 minors were separated from their "alleged adult guardians" at the southern border in just over a monthlong period.

A DHS spokesman said the separations occurred between April 19 and the end of May under the administration's relatively new "zero tolerance" policy, in which parents have also been arrested.

The Trump administration's practice of separating migrant children from their parents at the southern border has brought attention to a little-known government agency. The Office of Refugee Resettlement is responsible for finding homes for unaccompanied migrant children, those who attempt to enter the country without their parents. Now the agency also has to shelter those the government has separated from their families.

The government says more than 10,000 children are in shelters run by the Office of Refugee Resettlement. The office is part of the Department of Health and Human Services.

In the Obama administration, the ORR was overseen by acting Assistant Secretary Mark Greenberg. Greenberg, now with the Migration Policy Institute, says there is a careful process to determine how to place unaccompanied children, most of whom come from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador. The agency, he says, "initially seeks to determine if the child has a parent in this country; and if not a parent, a close relative; and if not a close relative, a more distant relative or a family friend."

Until a sponsor is found, ORR relies on a network of 100 shelters in 14 states to house the children.

Again we see, people say they want draconian immigration laws, then end up seeing utterly inhumane practices enacted.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/16/620451012/dhs-nearly-2-000-children-separated-from-adults-at-border-in-six-weeks


Okay, why are you now only giving a fuck about this, when it has gone on for many decades?

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:54 pm

Yesterday, a mother was literally pulled away from a nursing child.
BuzzFeed wrote:A Mother Says Immigration Officials Took Away Her Daughter While She Was Breastfeeding In A Detention Center


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A distraught mother from Honduras says immigration officials took her daughter away from her while she was breastfeeding at a detention center, attorneys with the Texas Civil Rights Project said.

On Tuesday, the "sobbing" woman described the traumatizing encounter to Natalia Cornelio, the Texas Civil Rights Project's criminal justice program director.

"When she resisted having her daughter taken from her she said agents forcibly took her child and then placed her in handcuffs," Cornelio [said].

Welcome to Nazi Germany, circa 1940. Now they are preparing tent concentration camps for the children--at 120° in a hot, hot desert--because they don't want the families soiling up actual buildings.

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Original Quill wrote:Yesterday, a mother was literally pulled away from a nursing child.
BuzzFeed wrote:A Mother Says Immigration Officials Took Away Her Daughter While She Was Breastfeeding In A Detention Center


Brianna Sacks

A distraught mother from Honduras says immigration officials took her daughter away from her while she was breastfeeding at a detention center, attorneys with the Texas Civil Rights Project said.

On Tuesday, the "sobbing" woman described the traumatizing encounter to Natalia Cornelio, the Texas Civil Rights Project's criminal justice program director.

"When she resisted having her daughter taken from her she said agents forcibly took her child and then placed her in handcuffs," Cornelio [said].

Welcome to Nazi Germany, circa 1940.  Now they are preparing tent concentration camps for the children--at 120° in a hot, hot desert--because they don't want the families soiling up actual buildings.


How is it Nazi Germany?

Idiots like you have no idea what Nazi Germany was like and invoke such idocy

Seriously, idoots like you do nothing to actually learn from history. You make bullshit up to pander to your warped beliefs, which quite frankly, are as hateful as Nazism.

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:01 pm

Didge wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
The Department of Homeland Security says 1,995 minors were separated from their "alleged adult guardians" at the southern border in just over a monthlong period.

A DHS spokesman said the separations occurred between April 19 and the end of May under the administration's relatively new "zero tolerance" policy, in which parents have also been arrested.

The Trump administration's practice of separating migrant children from their parents at the southern border has brought attention to a little-known government agency. The Office of Refugee Resettlement is responsible for finding homes for unaccompanied migrant children, those who attempt to enter the country without their parents. Now the agency also has to shelter those the government has separated from their families.

The government says more than 10,000 children are in shelters run by the Office of Refugee Resettlement. The office is part of the Department of Health and Human Services.

In the Obama administration, the ORR was overseen by acting Assistant Secretary Mark Greenberg. Greenberg, now with the Migration Policy Institute, says there is a careful process to determine how to place unaccompanied children, most of whom come from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador. The agency, he says, "initially seeks to determine if the child has a parent in this country; and if not a parent, a close relative; and if not a close relative, a more distant relative or a family friend."

Until a sponsor is found, ORR relies on a network of 100 shelters in 14 states to house the children.

Again we see, people say they want draconian immigration laws, then end up seeing utterly inhumane practices enacted.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/16/620451012/dhs-nearly-2-000-children-separated-from-adults-at-border-in-six-weeks


Okay, why are you now only giving a fuck about this, when it has gone on for many decades?

Um, but it hasn't?

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Post by Guest on Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:04 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Didge wrote:


Okay, why are you now only giving a fuck about this, when it has gone on for many decades?

Um, but it hasn't?


Yes it has, how about 300 years of this?

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:10 pm

Didge wrote:Okay, why are you now only giving a fuck about this, when it has gone on for many decades?

To the contrary, the issue is practice, not the not the law under which it is being done. Specifically, it's the the interpretation of the law by the Trump administration. The law is: children should be separated from criminals, but only the Trump administration defines 'criminals' as the mere act of crossing the border. It's a Catch-22, in which they all are defined as criminals. That has never happened before (else, why has the issue not come up in "decades"?).

In May 2017 AG Jeff Sessions announced the "new" draconian measure:

Newsweek wrote:CHILDREN WILL BE SEPARATED FROM PARENTS AT BORDER IF CROSSING ILLEGALLY, JEFF SESSIONS SAYS IN IMMIGRATION CRACKDOWN

BY MARIE SOLIS. May 5, 2018

Failing Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon's Department of Justice announced plans Monday to begin separating parents and children at the border, a change from a long-time immigration policy which, generally, allowed them to stay together while their cases are processed.

"If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in a Monday address at the Association of State Criminal Investigative Agencies' 2018 spring conference. "If you don’t like that, then don’t smuggle children over our border."

That means parents will likely face prosecution while their children remain in detention at a "separate refugee facility," according to the Los Angeles Times.

As Jennifer Quigley, an advocacy strategist at Human Rights First, explained to Newsweek last week, mothers with children seeking asylum previously would have been released from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention after their "credible fear" interviews. Flores v. Reno, a 1985 class action lawsuit, dictated that children and minors must be kept in the "least restrictive setting" available, which typically meant they would be released from custody along with their mother. Together, they would wait for months, or sometimes years, for their day in court to plead their case for asylum before an immigration judge, due to an extensive asylum backlog.

Welcome to Nazi Germany, or in an updated version, to the USA, vassal state to the Kremlin and capo-di-tutti-capi Vladimir Putin.

Putin is in the process of building buffer states around the world...in the west (Syria, Ukraine), east (North Korea), and detaching the US from its allies (Europe), as well as neighbors to the north (Canada) and south (Mexico).  He needs an isolated United States in order to accomplish this.


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Post by Guest on Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:14 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:Okay, why are you now only giving a fuck about this, when it has gone on for many decades?

To the contrary, the issue is not the law, but the interpretation of the law by the Trump administration.  Else, why has the issue come up in "decades"?  In May 2017 AG Jeff Sessions announced the hitlerian measure:
Newsweek wrote:CHILDREN WILL BE SEPARATED FROM PARENTS AT BORDER IF CROSSING ILLEGALLY, JEFF SESSIONS SAYS IN IMMIGRATION CRACKDOWN

BY MARIE SOLIS. May 5, 2018

Failing Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon's Department of Justice announced plans Monday to begin separating parents and children at the border, a change from a long-time immigration policy which, generally, allowed them to stay together while their cases are processed.

"If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in a Monday address at the Association of State Criminal Investigative Agencies' 2018 spring conference. "If you don’t like that, then don’t smuggle children over our border."

That means parents will likely face prosecution while their children remain in detention at a "separate refugee facility," according to the Los Angeles Times.

As Jennifer Quigley, an advocacy strategist at Human Rights First, explained to Newsweek last week, mothers with children seeking asylum previously would have been released from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention after their "credible fear" interviews. Flores v. Reno, a 1985 class action lawsuit, dictated that children and minors must be kept in the "least restrictive setting" available, which typically meant they would be released from custody along with their mother. Together, they would wait for months, or sometimes years, for their day in court to plead their case for asylum before an immigration judge, due to an extensive asylum backlog.

Welcome to Nazi Germany, or in an updated version, to the USA, vassal state to the Kremlin and capo-di-tutti-capi Vladimir Putin.

Putin is in the process of building buffer states around the world...in the west (Syria, Ukraine), east (North Korea), and detaching the US from its allies (Europe), as well as neighbors to the north (Canada) and south (Mexico).  He needs an isolated United States in order to accomplish this.


Its nothing like Nazi Germany and hence you complete ignorance on history

So I will ask again, what policies are here like Nazi Germany dickhead?

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:18 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Didge wrote:


Okay, why are you now only giving a fuck about this, when it has gone on for many decades?

Um, but it hasn't?

Don't worry, Ben...he doesn't know. He has swallowed the Trump line that it is the law, not the new interpretation of the law. If it so old, why has it never come up before?

Typical righty mistruth and obfuscation. Trump is a practiced liar.

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Post by Guest on Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:22 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:

Um, but it hasn't?

Don't worry, Ben...he doesn't know.  He has swallowed the Trump line that it is the law, not the new interpretation of the law.  If it so old, why has it never come up before?

Typical righty mistruth and obfuscation.  Trump is a practiced liar.


I think Trump is a complete dickhead and yet you digress towards Ben to get out of the most idiotic claims you made

I have a degree in history and a masters.

You have a jack shit lawyers degree

So who knows more about history?

Me

You are simple an emotive imbicille, poorly casting wrongs today alongside Nazism. Which is a fucking insult, because Nazism, was appalling. Idiots like you have no idea and simple label people this way. Neglecting that Socialism through Communism was also this way then. Murdering Millions.

You are as much as a liar as trump

That is a fact

Your knowledge of history is based on you making it up continually

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:30 pm

Didge wrote:
Original Quill wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:

Um, but it hasn't?

Don't worry, Ben...he doesn't know.  He has swallowed the Trump line that it is the law, not the new interpretation of the law.  If it so old, why has it never come up before?

Typical righty mistruth and obfuscation.  Trump is a practiced liar.


I think Trump is a complete dickhead and yet you digress towards Ben to get out of the most idiotic claims you made

I have a degree in history and a masters.

You have a jack shit lawyers degree

So who knows more about history?

Me

You are simple an emotive imbicille, poorly casting wrongs today alongside Nazism. Which is a fucking insult, because Nazism, was appalling. Idiots like you have no idea and simple label people this way. Neglecting that Socialism through Communism was also this way then. Murdering Millions.

You are as much as a liar as trump

That is a fact

Your knowledge of history is based on you making it up continually

You need to take a cold shower or something man, you're really going over the top.

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Post by Guest on Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:33 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Didge wrote:


I think Trump is a complete dickhead and yet you digress towards Ben to get out of the most idiotic claims you made

I have a degree in history and a masters.

You have a jack shit lawyers degree

So who knows more about history?

Me

You are simple an emotive imbicille, poorly casting wrongs today alongside Nazism. Which is a fucking insult, because Nazism, was appalling. Idiots like you have no idea and simple label people this way. Neglecting that Socialism through Communism was also this way then. Murdering Millions.

You are as much as a liar as trump

That is a fact

Your knowledge of history is based on you making it up continually

You need to take a cold shower or something man, you're really going over the top.


So when all else fails, Ben talks about me and not my points

Seriously grow a pair you pussy and debate my points

Or simple hide behind someone, that is what you do best

Cool

Now that is goading

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Post by Syl on Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:53 pm

Quill stated this in the other thread about a social worker separating mother and child because she didn't buy him ice cream.

To needlessly rip apart a child from his parent is inhumane, whether they be legal or illegal immigrants.
Its like something out of Dickension times.

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Post by Guest on Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:01 pm

Syl wrote:Quill stated this in the other thread about a social worker separating mother and child because she didn't buy him ice cream.

To needlessly rip apart a child from his parent is inhumane, whether they be legal or illegal immigrants.
Its like something out of Dickension times.

What matters is that a child is cared and loved for.

What is wrong is when a child demands everything and that it feels oppressed because it does not get their way. That is leftist drivel instilled into them. I mean why would a child even need to see someone because they never got an ice-cream?

What is worrying is idiots of a warped and fucked up mind teaching children. As to me, its child abuse. They are indoctrinating them with crap and not helping them be prerpared to become society. Sadly everything is geared to segregate people based on identity politics. Based on leftist gibberish, who to me, are now more racist than the far right in such idiocy.

We have to do away with labels, but the left want to invent and create thousands more and continue to segregate and divide us more

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Post by Syl on Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:12 pm

Didge wrote:
Syl wrote:Quill stated this in the other thread about a social worker separating mother and child because she didn't buy him ice cream.

To needlessly rip apart a child from his parent is inhumane, whether they be legal or illegal immigrants.
Its like something out of Dickension times.

What matters is that a child is cared and loved for.

What is wrong is when a child demands everything and that it feels oppressed because it does not get their way. That is leftist drivel instilled into them. I mean why would a child even need to see someone because they never got an ice-cream?

What is worrying is idiots of a warped and fucked up mind teaching children. As to me, its child abuse. They are indoctrinating them with crap and not helping them be prerpared to become society. Sadly everything is geared to segregate people based on identity politics. Based on leftist gibberish, who to me, are now more racist than the far right in such idiocy.

We have to do away with labels, but the left want to invent and create thousands more and continue to segregate and divide us more

The problem in the US is very different to the problem here re mother and child separation. Here it's not done because of race.

But I remember years ago there was a spate of kids being taken from their parents who were accused of child sexual abuse....many in the same area, I think it was Tyneside. The social workers got it wrong, and the kids were taken back to the families.

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Post by Guest on Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:15 pm

Syl wrote:
Didge wrote:

What matters is that a child is cared and loved for.

What is wrong is when a child demands everything and that it feels oppressed because it does not get their way. That is leftist drivel instilled into them. I mean why would a child even need to see someone because they never got an ice-cream?

What is worrying is idiots of a warped and fucked up mind teaching children. As to me, its child abuse. They are indoctrinating them with crap and not helping them be prerpared to become society. Sadly everything is geared to segregate people based on identity politics. Based on leftist gibberish, who to me, are now more racist than the far right in such idiocy.

We have to do away with labels, but the left want to invent and create thousands more and continue to segregate and divide us more

The problem in the US is very different to the problem here re mother and child separation. Here it's not done because of race.

But I remember years ago there was a spate of kids being taken from their parents who were accused of child sexual  abuse....many in the same area, I think it was Tyneside. The social workers got it wrong, and the kids were taken back to the families.

Yet you have bought the idea that it is down to race in the US, based on Quill posting a couple of inaccurate media stories.

So is it down to race really?

Hence how you end your reply, the social workers got in wrong, and yet you buy here and what Quillis trying to indoctrinate you with.

So here is a test, show me the laws, that enable racism in the US?

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Post by Syl on Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:27 pm

Didge wrote:
Syl wrote:

The problem in the US is very different to the problem here re mother and child separation. Here it's not done because of race.

But I remember years ago there was a spate of kids being taken from their parents who were accused of child sexual  abuse....many in the same area, I think it was Tyneside. The social workers got it wrong, and the kids were taken back to the families.

Yet you have bought the idea that it is down to race in the US, based on Quill posting a couple of inaccurate media stories.

So is it down to race really?

Hence how you end your reply, the social workers got in wrong, and yet you buy here and what Quillis trying to indoctrinate you with.

So here is a test, show me the laws, that enable racism in the US?

Both Ben in this thread and Quill in the other thread have posted links to news stories pointing to the fact the kids are being separated because of their race.

They know more about whats happening in the US than I do....so I will leave the discussion to people who know more about it than me.
The social workers who get it so wrong here usually don't discriminate because of race....they get it wrong because basically they are useless.


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Post by Guest on Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:32 pm

Syl wrote:
Didge wrote:

Yet you have bought the idea that it is down to race in the US, based on Quill posting a couple of inaccurate media stories.

So is it down to race really?

Hence how you end your reply, the social workers got in wrong, and yet you buy here and what Quillis trying to indoctrinate you with.

So here is a test, show me the laws, that enable racism in the US?

Both Ben in this thread and Quill in the other thread have posted links to news stories pointing to the fact the kids are being separated because of their race.

They know more about whats happening in the US than I do....so I will leave the discussion to people who know more about it than me.
The social workers who get it so wrong here usually don't discriminate because of race....they get it wrong because basically they are useless.


No, that is a perception based by the some media

Sorry they do not know more what is happenning in the US, just as much as you know what is happenning in London, Liverpool etc. They only can read as you do in the press. They do not live this and can only state what they have experinced. So their knowledge of the US, is as limited as your knowledge of the UK.

The reality is just like here, the medias are biased
Many in the US are as they did with Obama, trying to pin any wrongs onto them as President.

Do not get me wrong, Trump is a complete dick, but these issues happened under also Obama, but you wont here Ben or Quill talk about that.

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Post by Syl on Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:38 pm

I will pass on what's happening in the US, but here cases have come to court and been publicised, so its wrong to say people don't know what's happening in re to certain cases involving social care and kids being wrongly taken from their parents.

The two threads are getting mixed up though.

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Post by Guest on Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:44 pm

Syl wrote:I will pass on what's happening in the US, but here cases have come to court and been publicised, so its wrong to say people don't know what's happening in re to certain cases involving social care and kids being wrongly taken from their parents.

The two threads are getting mixed up though.


Yes, but is it really down to race as claimed by Quill in the US?

Seriously?

I posted a link showing the claims were actually false and Quill conveniently ignored this and lets be honest. Quill does not care one jot about children, other than in California. He has made it very clear, that this state should become independent and not be involved in any other nation. Which neglects the fact he has no idea, how it needs oustide support to sustain itself.

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Post by Syl on Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:55 pm

Didge wrote:
Syl wrote:I will pass on what's happening in the US, but here cases have come to court and been publicised, so its wrong to say people don't know what's happening in re to certain cases involving social care and kids being wrongly taken from their parents.

The two threads are getting mixed up though.


Yes, but is it really down to race as claimed by Quill in the US?

Seriously?

I posted a link showing the claims were actually false and Quill conveniently ignored this and lets be honest. Quill does not care one jot about children, other than in California. He has made it very clear, that this state should become independent and not be involved in any other nation. Which neglects the fact he has no idea, how it needs oustide support to sustain itself.

In one thread you say I have no idea how you think, yet you seem to be able to look into Quills mind and see exactly how he thinks.
I'm sure he does care about children.....maybe he is just more contained in his emotions than you or I.

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Syl wrote:
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Yes, but is it really down to race as claimed by Quill in the US?

Seriously?

I posted a link showing the claims were actually false and Quill conveniently ignored this and lets be honest. Quill does not care one jot about children, other than in California. He has made it very clear, that this state should become independent and not be involved in any other nation. Which neglects the fact he has no idea, how it needs oustide support to sustain itself.

In one thread you say I have no idea how you think, yet you seem to be able to look into Quills mind and see exactly how he thinks.
I'm sure he does care about children.....maybe he is just more contained in his emotions than you or I.


Its not about looking into his mind, but simple reading his views

He wants to segregate Calfifornia from the rest of the US

Its a selfish mentality, just as brexit is

Both are a means regarding people thinking they are more important than everything else on this planet.

The sooner people realize we all need each other, the better hope their is for alll humaity and all species. If people continually be tribal, then there is very little hope Syl.

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Didge wrote:
Syl wrote:

In one thread you say I have no idea how you think, yet you seem to be able to look into Quills mind and see exactly how he thinks.
I'm sure he does care about children.....maybe he is just more contained in his emotions than you or I.


Its not about looking into his mind, but simple reading his views

He wants to segregate Calfifornia from the rest of the US

Its a selfish mentality, just as brexit is

Both are a means regarding people thinking they are more important than everything else on this planet.

The sooner people realize we all need each other, the better hope their is for alll humaity and all species. If people continually be tribal, then there is very little hope Syl.

Brexit....that's another subject that could come in for a good one on one debate.

I voted out, not because I think I am more important than anyone else, but for various other reasons.

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Syl wrote:
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Its not about looking into his mind, but simple reading his views

He wants to segregate Calfifornia from the rest of the US

Its a selfish mentality, just as brexit is

Both are a means regarding people thinking they are more important than everything else on this planet.

The sooner people realize we all need each other, the better hope their is for alll humaity and all species. If people continually be tribal, then there is very little hope Syl.

Brexit....that's another subject that could come in for a good one on one debate.

I voted out, not because I think I am more important than anyone else, but for various other reasons.


Okay, so this is interesting, then why?

I mean to me, when is the world stop going to be selfish and act together and not isolated?

No civilization has really advanced in isolation.

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Didge wrote:I mean to me, when is the world stop going to be selfish and act together and not isolated?

The cops will help the bad guys when they stop robbing the people. Until then, the bad guys are just in the wrong and no one should help them.

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Newshub wrote:

A heart-breaking photo of a two-year-old Honduran asylum seeker crying as her mother is taken into custody has captured the horror of the Trump administration's "zero tolerance policy" towards undocumented immigrants.

Is this who we are?  Torture, rape, kidnapping and concentration camps...and now, baby-snatching?  America (US) must be proud.  Republicans are responsible.

We must flock to the Pacific States of America, California, Oregon, Washington, Hawai'i & Alaska...a separate nation where this will not happen.


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And babies, too?  Yes, babies too.



Is there really any difference? Have we learned nothing?

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Former CIA Director John Brennan posts:

"Other's have tried family separation..."


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You know people talk shit when they invoke some off the worst attrocities to now American today

Not only is it insulting the many victims of the events, it shows that person is out of touch with reality

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Didge wrote:You know people talk shit when they invoke some off the worst attrocities to now American today

So, you don't condemn the atrocities, you just condemn comparing them?

Didge wrote:Not only is it insulting the many victims of the events, it shows that person is out of touch with reality

Here you are talking about insults to monuments and memories, yet you cannot bring yourself to stop the atrocities that are happening before your eyes.

I can now see how it happened to the German people. Because it involves some responsibility and action, you bypass that which is happening in the present, rather disconnecting and talking with honor and reverence about things in the past. It gives new meaning to what Jorge Santayana said: “Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

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Didge wrote:You know people talk shit when they invoke some off the worst attrocities to now American today

So, you don't condemn the atrocities, you just condemn comparing them?

Didge wrote:Cathy Newman alert

Here you are talking about insults to monuments and memories, yet you cannot bring yourself to stop the atrocities that are happening before your eyes.

I can now see how it happened to the German people.  Because it involves some responsibility and action, you bypass that which is happening in the present, rather disconnecting and talking with honor and reverence about things in the past.  It gives new meaning to what Jorge Santayana said: “Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

The above shows you do not even understand what an attrocity actually is

Comparing the seperating of immigrant children, to where whole families were murdered, is idiotic at best and done so to attempt to justify hate itself towards your own governement. You simple condemn the policy and people who do this, not invent bullshit by attempting to compare this to where millions were murdered

Its why its impossible to have a sensible de bate with you these days

And Ben had the gall to say I was being over the top, blatantly ignoring the crap you have posted.

You are done here, so have the last word, all you want, but idiots like you always come out with such crap like this.


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Children ripped from the arms of their mothers at the Mexican border, immigrants in Virginia arrested as they leave church, and now no asylum for people fleeing gang violence or domestic abuse. As this merciless Justice Department regime earns the reproof of the United Nations and outrage around the world, the cry is heard, “This is not who we are.”

But it is.

In a nation created and established largely by immigrants, there is a long history of virulent opposition to giving refuge to the endangered—and of deporting anybody on capricious whim.

These crimes against humanity have two explicit and harrowing defining episodes in our history—each, as it happens, involves the passage of a ship.

Let’s start with the case of a decrepit ocean liner, the St. Louis, operated across the Atlantic in the 1930s by the Hamburg-Amerika line.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-not-just-jeff-sessions-america-has-shown-no-mercy-to-refugees-before?ref=scroll

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Didge wrote:Comparing the seperating of immigrant children, to where whole families were murdered, is idiotic at best and done so to attempt to justify hate itself towards your own governement.

The level of atrocity is in the mind that created it.  This time it is destroying families, next time it is murder and genocide.  It's a specious distinction in that it presupposes limits in the actor.  Whether he chooses child-snatching or murder differs only with the circumstances, not his or her conscience.

The only difference to the people approving this Order, is how to justify the brutality, and it's cousin, genocide,  so that the people watching and judging won’t see what’s going on.  That's what you are assisting in, didge: spewing the falsehood that somehow this always has happened.  Again, it’s the conservative presumption that the general public is too dumb to delve in and see what is actually happening.

Trump is using the children as a shield, much as the Viet Cong did, putting children out in front so their adversary wouldn't shoot.  Only, Trump holds children hostage in another way...slap them around in order to get legislation and funding passed to build his wall....yes, the same wall that Mexico was supposed to pay for.

He believes that if he creates this crisis, Congress will take up an Immigration proposal, and he can shoehorn his silly wall into the package.  He doesn't care about the children, they are a bargaining chip.

Using children as hostages never endears you to the people.  It is testimony to what a political amateur Trump is, that he would do this in an election year.  But that’s not my problem.  My concern is for the children.

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Press Secretary Sarah Sanders gets slammed over child-snatching policy:



This is not an old law, but a new interpretation of the law, as the first reporter (blond/female, Jill Colvin of Associated Press) was pointing out.  Therefore, it is a policy.

Here's how it works: Separation of children used to take place only when there was a dangerous felony, committed by the accompanying adult.  Then, as with any felony arrest, if the perp had a child, the child was taken to CPS.  But, mere crossing of the border is, at worse, a light misdemeanor.  You don't remove a child with a parking ticket.  When it is done to ask for asylum, as these families are doing, it's not breaking any law.

The Trump administration has imposed a POLICY, interpreting the law such that they cannot BUT be lawbreakers, triggering separation from their children.  Obviously the administration is pressing things so much that it twists legislative arms to get his $26-billion wall built.  The children are being used as mere hostages.

That's not what the law intends...

Also, listen to Sarah's argument that Democrats are responsible.  Democrats are in the minority in Congress.  The Trumpsters keep lying about this,  How can a minority party change the law???

Yet, here you hear Sarah parroting that same old lie: Democrats somehow can fix this problem legislatively.    How, when Republicans are in charge?

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Didge wrote:Children ripped from the arms of their mothers at the Mexican border, immigrants in Virginia arrested as they leave church, and now no asylum for people fleeing gang violence or domestic abuse. As this merciless Justice Department regime earns the reproof of the United Nations and outrage around the world, the cry is heard, “This is not who we are.”

But it is.

In a nation created and established largely by immigrants, there is a long history of virulent opposition to giving refuge to the endangered—and of deporting anybody on capricious whim.

These crimes against humanity have two explicit and harrowing defining episodes in our history—each, as it happens, involves the passage of a ship.

Let’s start with the case of a decrepit ocean liner, the St. Louis, operated across the Atlantic in the 1930s by the Hamburg-Amerika line.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-not-just-jeff-sessions-america-has-shown-no-mercy-to-refugees-before?ref=scroll

So your saying it's Exactly like the Nazi's.
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Didge wrote:Children ripped from the arms of their mothers at the Mexican border, immigrants in Virginia arrested as they leave church, and now no asylum for people fleeing gang violence or domestic abuse. As this merciless Justice Department regime earns the reproof of the United Nations and outrage around the world, the cry is heard, “This is not who we are.”

But it is.

In a nation created and established largely by immigrants, there is a long history of virulent opposition to giving refuge to the endangered—and of deporting anybody on capricious whim.

These crimes against humanity have two explicit and harrowing defining episodes in our history—each, as it happens, involves the passage of a ship.

Let’s start with the case of a decrepit ocean liner, the St. Louis, operated across the Atlantic in the 1930s by the Hamburg-Amerika line.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-not-just-jeff-sessions-america-has-shown-no-mercy-to-refugees-before?ref=scroll

So your saying it's Exactly like the Nazi's.
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not all Nazi's were German

Yeah, he changed his mind 180°.  Guess he followed my advice and read to the bottom of the page this time.

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Original Quill wrote:
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So your saying it's Exactly like the Nazi's.
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not all Nazi's were German

Yeah, he changed his mind 180°.  Guess he followed my advice and read to the bottom of the page this time.

I see the two village idiots cannot even read a article properly

Again its not like the Nazi's, is actually just like the Americans before, like during the time of the Nazi's

How they turned refugees away

This is why the pair pof you would continual fail a basic history test for 12 tear olds

So not 180, I am showing again and more to Ben, this has gone on for decades within the US


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You were saying that Trump was not using Nazi methods...that we shouldn't make such comparisons:

Didge wrote:Comparing the seperating of immigrant children, to where whole families were murdered, is idiotic at best...

Now you have seen the error of your ways. Admit it...you simply didn't understand the issue.

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This is
CNN's commentary:


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Original Quill wrote:You were saying that Trump was not using Nazi methods...that we shouldn't make such comparisons:

Didge wrote:Comparing the seperating of immigrant children, to where whole families were murdered, is idiotic at best...

Now you have seen the error of your ways.  Admit it...you simply didn't understand the issue.

Admit, that you are stupid?

Yes you are, when there is no comparrison, to the final solution and seperating children from illegal immigrants

Again the article shows, that the US has a history of poor policies against refugees

So again, I asked you to show me the Nazi policies, that replicate US policies on Illegal immigrants?

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You bore me...move on.

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Original Quill wrote:You bore me...move on.

More like you just got busted, emphatically lying

What you should have been doing on this thread is challenging the actual US Policies and instead you wanted to use the victims here for your own political agenda, by making such outlandish claims.

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Didge wrote:What you should have been doing on this thread is challenging the actual US Policies and instead you wanted to use the victims here for your own political agenda, by making such outlandish claims.

Um...I thought I was challenging US policies. You were trying to justify US policies, arguing that the policies followed law, and law must be obeyed. But there is no US law that says children must be separated from their parents.

So, to be sure, I'm on the side of the children. You want to criminalize the children. I'm glad we got that straight.

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Didge wrote:What you should have been doing on this thread is challenging the actual US Policies and instead you wanted to use the victims here for your own political agenda, by making such outlandish claims.

Um...I thought I was challenging US policies.  You were trying to justify US policies, arguing that the policies followed law, and law must be obeyed.  But there is no US law that says children must be separated from their parents.

So, to be sure, I'm on the side of the children.  You want to criminalize the children.  I'm glad we got that straight.


Cathy Newman alert yet again

Again you just make things up to fuel your warped views on people

Anyway, watching the world Cup, which is way better than discussing anything with you of late, as you clearly have lost your marbles.

So until you stop making crap up, and constantly lying to things I have never said, then continue to have me continually ridicule you for the unhinged loon you have become

As what I did, was rightly condemn you for again for exploiting the Holocaust, to score political points. Making the most absurd comparrison, where still, you have not posted up the nazi policies, that you claim are comparable to US policy on illegal immigrants.

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Didge wrote:As what I did, was rightly condemn you for again for exploiting the Holocaust, to score political points. Making the most absurd comparrison, where still, you have not posted up the nazi policies, that you claim are comparable to US policy on illegal immigrants.

You certainly spin a lot of bullshit when turning your story around. I quoted your words, so call yourself a liar if you wish. I'll watch.

BTW, you're still claiming that the Nazis didn't incarcerate children ("you have not posted up the nazi policies")? When you come up with a story you want to stick with, let us know and we can carry on.

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Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:As what I did, was rightly condemn you for again for exploiting the Holocaust, to score political points. Making the most absurd comparrison, where still, you have not posted up the nazi policies, that you claim are comparable to US policy on illegal immigrants.

You certainly spin a lot of bullshit when turning your story around.  I quoted your words, so call yourself a liar if you wish.  I'll watch.

BTW, you're still claiming that the Nazis didn't incarcerate children ("you have not posted up the nazi policies")?   When you come up with a story you want to stick with, let us know and we can carry on.

You never quoted my words at all, you invented them out of thin air, as show the post where you claim I want to criminalize children?

Never did, which shows you are just a lying idiot

Never denied that the Nazi's incarcerated children, but what was the policy where many where then exteminated?

Is that the same policy with illigeal immigrants in the US?

Er no, is completely removed on reasons and also for the purpose as to what would happen to those children

It again shows you are exploiting the Holocaust and insulting the many children victims of the Holocaust

Which makes you a complete scumbag, to be honest

I do not think any child should be seperated from their parents based on illigeal immigration.

What I have rightly shown is that your claim that it is based on race, is a crock of shit and also your pathetic attempt to compare this to the policies of the Holocasut that saw many children gassed or shot with their parents. Mothers and their children were often sent to the Gas chambers together on arrival. Showing how much of an idiot you really are.

Where many are latino illigal immigrants, where many are of European descent, how then is that a racist policy, towards Caucasians?

You now see why you are an idiot. Its purely a poor policy towards illegal immigrants which effects many races, including Caucasians.

So I never backed any view to incarcerate children of illigal immigrants and I never claimed they should be criminalized. That was you making up crap, to divert from the fact I easily rubbished your nonsense

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:10 pm

Didge wrote:You never quoted my words at all, you invented them out of thin air...

Post by Original Quill Yesterday at 8:44 pm

You were saying that Trump was not using Nazi methods...that we shouldn't make such comparisons:

Didge wrote:Comparing the seperating of immigrant children, to where whole families were murdered, is idiotic at best...

So, what? You can't believe your lying eyes? Rolling Eyes


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Post by Guest on Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:14 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:You never quoted my words at all, you invented them out of thin air...

Post by Original Quill Yesterday at 8:44 pm

You were saying that Trump was not using Nazi methods...that we shouldn't make such comparisons:



So, what?  You can't believe your lying eyes?  Rolling Eyes


How is that saying children should be criminalized?

Its not and like i say, you make up crap

What its saying is your exploiting the holocaust to this policy on illgeal immigrants is idiotic, as i easily proved in my last post

So you have been busted again, as Cathy Newman lying


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Post by Original Quill on Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:02 pm

Everybody is asking....

Where are the girls?

The US government only allows press access to boys' facilities. All the girls have disappeared.

Given Trump's association with the Russian mafia, and the Russian mafia's association with human female trafficking, reporters are pressing what has he done with the girls. Are the border-snatchers involved in diverting the girls into prostitution? Or are they just being groomed for a later time.


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