Grenfell exposed: How the fire brigade took TWO HOURS to evacuate residents, Blair paved the way for 'lethal cladding' and Jon Snow whipped up a frenzy... but the Tory council leader who resigned was blameless

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Post by Guest on Thu May 31, 2018 8:28 am

[*]The London Fire Brigade's response to Grenfell Tower fire had 'several blunders'
[*]Biggest error was failure to order full evacuation for hours after the blaze started
[*]Expose found emergency calls were diverted to Stratford, Kent and Newcastle


The London fire brigade, cladding firms and Tony Blair are responsible for the Grenfell tragedy, a major expose has claimed.

Firefighters failed to evacuate residents for two hours, cladding firms used 'lethal products' and Tony Blair relaxed building safety regulations, the report concluded.

Then housing minister Sajid Javid failed to deal with the aftermath properly and promised all families a house even though other accommodation may have been more suitable.

And Jon Snow, the TV news presenter, is blamed for whipping up a frenzy with his emotional questioning directly after the event.


However, Tory Kensington and Chelsea's council leader, Nicholas Paget-Brown, who fell on his sword over the tragedy, was not to blame for it. The expose exonerates the councillor despite him previously being at the centre of criticism.

The claims are made by journalist Andrew O'Hagan who has spent months investigating Grenfell and has now published a 30,000 word expose in  The London Review of Books

The piece - written to coincide with an inquiry hearing testimonies about the victims in central London - is a damning round-up of the failings that fuelled the lethal chaos of June 14 2017 and these are its main players:    
London Fire Brigade's failure to evacuate:


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5788627/Expose-blames-London-Fire-Brigade-series-blunders-response-Grenfell-Tower-fire.html#ixzz5H3ueNTwD 
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Post by Andy on Thu May 31, 2018 9:33 am

Perhaps they should have also blamed the flaxen haired freak Boris Johnson. The Pillock who shut down half of London's fire stations and increased response times. And reduced routine safety checks on high rise buildings.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Thu May 31, 2018 10:53 am

Didge wrote:[*]The London Fire Brigade's response to Grenfell Tower fire had 'several blunders'
[*]Biggest error was failure to order full evacuation for hours after the blaze started
[*]Expose found emergency calls were diverted to Stratford, Kent and Newcastle


The London fire brigade, cladding firms and Tony Blair are responsible for the Grenfell tragedy, a major expose has claimed.

Firefighters failed to evacuate residents for two hours, cladding firms used 'lethal products' and Tony Blair relaxed building safety regulations, the report concluded.

Then housing minister Sajid Javid failed to deal with the aftermath properly and promised all families a house even though other accommodation may have been more suitable.

And Jon Snow, the TV news presenter, is blamed for whipping up a frenzy with his emotional questioning directly after the event.


However, Tory Kensington and Chelsea's council leader, Nicholas Paget-Brown, who fell on his sword over the tragedy, was not to blame for it. The expose exonerates the councillor despite him previously being at the centre of criticism.

The claims are made by journalist Andrew O'Hagan who has spent months investigating Grenfell and has now published a 30,000 word expose in  The London Review of Books

The piece - written to coincide with an inquiry hearing testimonies about the victims in central London - is a damning round-up of the failings that fuelled the lethal chaos of June 14 2017 and these are its main players:    
London Fire Brigade's failure to evacuate:


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5788627/Expose-blames-London-Fire-Brigade-series-blunders-response-Grenfell-Tower-fire.html#ixzz5H3ueNTwD 
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this is going to incense the usual suspects

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Thu May 31, 2018 10:55 am

Angry Andy wrote:Perhaps they should have also blamed the flaxen haired freak Boris Johnson. The Pillock who shut down half of London's fire stations and increased response times. And reduced routine safety checks on high rise buildings.
perhaps instead of wasting days on the grenfell inquiry virtue signalling and wailing and gnashing of teeth they got on with the inquiry we might get at the truth. Maybe spending less time going on about the makeup and getting to the facts might do more good.

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Post by Jules on Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:39 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grenfell-tower-model-bonfire-burned-guy-fawkes-party-a8618661.html#Echobox=1541433225



That was EVIL!!!  The dead victims were mocked in a bonfire vid. To take the time & trouble to make an effigy of the burning tower and the victims, jeeeez.
 


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Post by nicko on Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:23 am

The only persons to blame are the Manufacturers, who willing sold the cladding knowing it wasn't fire proof !

People are blaming every tom dick and harry while the makers get hardly a mention !
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Post by Original Quill on Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:41 pm

nicko wrote:The only persons to blame are the Manufacturers, who willing sold the cladding knowing it wasn't fire proof !

People are blaming every tom dick and harry while the makers get hardly a mention !

And of course the civic authorities how made the selection of materials.

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:28 pm

Original Quill wrote:
nicko wrote:The only persons to blame are the Manufacturers, who willing sold the cladding knowing it wasn't fire proof !

People are blaming every tom dick and harry while the makers get hardly a mention !

And of course the civic authorities how made the selection of materials.

The problem is that civic authorities - local councils, in our case - cannot possibly be, or even employ, technical experts in every field and it is not unreasonable that they should be able to rely on the professional capability of the companies who tender for contracts.

The responsibility of determining whether or not a particular product is safe is theirs and that of the firms who actually make it.

Short of undergoing an experiment that involves physically setting fire to exactly the same sort of building constructed in exactly the same way and to exactly the same specifications, it is difficult to see what they, or indeed, national government could have done to prevent it.
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Post by Original Quill on Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:22 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

And of course the civic authorities how made the selection of materials.

The problem is that civic authorities - local councils, in our case - cannot possibly be, or even employ, technical experts in every field and it is not unreasonable that they should be able to rely on the professional capability of the companies who tender for contracts.

Sorry Fred, liability is a part of assuming civic responsibility. The government authority is the first line of liability. The contractors fall into line after them...as you say, as the professional capability on the project.

The responsibility of determining whether or not a particular product is safe is theirs
Fred M. wrote:and that of the firms who actually make it.

...as well as the civic authority choosing them, and whose agents they are.

Fred M. wrote:Short of undergoing an experiment that involves physically setting fire to exactly the same sort of building constructed in exactly the same way and to exactly the same specifications, it is difficult to see what they, or indeed, national government could have done to prevent it.

They usually have the contractors certify they have insurance. When the civic authority is sued, they tender their defense to the sub-contractor insurance company responsible. That's called the indemnification process.

It's a complex area of law, and there are lawyers who specialize in it. Especially in environmental and products liability (as here) lawsuits.

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