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Richard E. Frankel is an Associate Professor of history at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette.

"We have people coming into the country—or trying to come in, we're stopping a lot of them—but we're taking people out of the country, you wouldn't believe how bad these people are. These aren't people. These are animals." – Donald Trump, May 16, 2018

By now, most Americans who follow the news have heard about Donald Trump’s description of illegal immigrants as “animals.” The comment elicited a great deal of outrage and condemnation—and rightfully so. Here was the President of the United States publicly dehumanizing an entire group of people. (See below for a fuller discussion of what he said and what he meant.) It was disgusting, but hardly surprising. After all, this is a man who believes there were “very fine people” marching under the Nazi flag in Charlottesville, Virginia last year. So already the image of Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler have been linked in a public discussion.

And now, once again, many people are pointing out the similarities between Trump’s language and that used by Hitler and the Nazis. And while such comparisons are often dismissed as hysterical exaggeration or hyper-partisan rhetoric, this historian of modern Germany once again sees enough commonalities with that dark period of history to sit down and describe the danger America currently faces.

Whatever concrete plans Donald Trump might or might not have for his presidency, it is clear to me that he has ideas about what America should ultimately look like, a kind of ideal national community. To Trump “making America great again,” means making it a white, Christian, male-dominated society. With the authoritarian powers he so clearly desires, he could maintain the appearance of democracy, while in reality only those “real” Americans would enjoy some rights. The rest, having been pushed to the margins of society would be subject to the whims of Trump’s autocratic regime. And those pushed beyond the boundary? They would no longer be of any concern to “real Americans.”

It’s a vision reminiscent of Adolf Hitler’s effort to create hisideal national/racial community. His Germany was to be a society without divisions of class, religion, race, or politics—a society in which only Germans would enjoy the benefits of citizenship. In Hitler’s ideal Germany there would be no Jews, no communists or socialists, no liberals, no one with disabilities. And what’s important to remember is that the process of creating that national community began well before anyone had even imagined something as horrifying as Auschwitz. And it began with a rather deliberate choice of target: not Jews, but communists.

Hitler targeted communists immediately after coming to power because they were members of a group that most middle-class (“real”) Germans already considered to be on the margins of society. They were “unpatriotic,” “subversive,” “treasonous,” “criminal.” They were, in short, “un-German.” But to Hitler, there was something more. There was a fundamental connection, he believed, between communists and Jews—Germany’s ultimate enemy. Since the early 1920s, Hitler had railed against “Jewish Bolshevism.” The image of the “Judeo-Bolshevik” sitting in Moscow directing a global conspiracy aimed at the destruction of Germany and western Christian civilization became a mainstay of Nazi propaganda. By attacking Communists first, therefore, he was preparing the way for the assault on the country’s Jews, a group much more established in German society and therefore not as easily removed.

Already on the night of January 30, 1933, following Hitler’s appointment as Chancellor, Nazi Storm Troopers assaulted communists on the streets of Berlin and other cities in the guise of establishing “law and order.” With the image of the “Judeo Bolshevik” in the heads of these vicious thugs, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that some Jews found themselves swept up in that initial maelstrom of Nazi violence. Still, the target at this point was communists.

But by linking Jews—a well-established group within Germany’s middle class—with the widely despised communists, Hitler could blur the lines that separated the two groups in the minds of “real” Germans. After all, some communists were Jews! Granted, they were a tiny percentage of the Jewish population. Granted, they had abandoned any connection to their Jewishness. But by harping on the danger of communism, Hitler made it easier for “good” Germans to accept increasingly harsh measures against Jews.

Ultimately, this meant depicting communists and Jews as barely human, Asiatic beasts from the east. It meant making them into animals. They were, according to the Führer, “parasites,” “a global plague,” “racial tuberculosis,” “vermin,” “Galician vampires.”

By November 1938, after nearly six years of dehumanization, after the nationwide pogrom known as Kristallnacht, it was clear to most that the rhetorical removal of Jews from the German national/racial community was a success. And what that rhetorical removal allowed for, under the extreme conditions of war, was the next and final stage: physical removal, the Final Solution.

Now what has Donald Trump done to elicit such a comparison? He’s clearly targeted a vulnerable group, a group already on the margins of society—not just immigrants, but, as he and his followers like to call them, “illegal aliens.” But it isn’t just the undocumented that he warns about. It’s MS-13—an unquestionably brutal gang that has committed horrific acts of violence in the United States.

This is the image that Donald Trump wants people to think about when they think about immigrants. Never mind that the vast majority of immigrants from Latin America are not now nor will they ever become members of MS-13. Never mind that the vast majority of immigrants from Latin America do not commit crimes after their arrival in the country. Never mind that his administration has begun to separatechildrenfrom their parents upon crossing the border. Children. Pried from the arms of their parents. How could they be members of MS-13? How could they possibly be dangerous? Don’t be fooled, Trump tells us. “They look so innocent,” he says. “They’re not innocent.” Donald Trump calls them animals and lets the press parse out whether he meant just gang members or all immigrants.

Meanwhile, he’s already moved on from rhetorical removal to the next stage: physical removal. ICE agents conduct brutal raids across the country. They seize people who “appear” to be undocumented. They seize people they claim to be members of MS-13, because they “look like” gang members. And in recent months the government has rescinded Temporary Protected Status to most of the more than 300,000 refugees from countries the president has already labeled “shitholes.” Three hundred thousand people the government will soon force to leave this country.

All of this and more is possible if you believe, as the president and many of his followers do, that some people aren’t really people at all—certainly not people like them, with the same feelings, the same concerns, the same humanity. It’s possible to do horrible things to people if you come to believe they are animals. We’ve seen it in the case of Nazi Germany. And no, I am not predicting the construction of an American Auschwitz. That nightmare should not be the measure of all horror. There are scenarios well short of gas chambers that are possible once this country chooses the path that Donald Trump has opened up with his dehumanizing rhetoric. The first step to stopping it from going further is to remember that of course they are not animals—they are just like us.


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Post by The Devil, You Know on Wed May 30, 2018 10:58 am

nothing when he was not referring to immigrants, he was referring to a question about MS13 who are worse than animals.

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The Devil, You Know wrote:nothing when he was not referring to immigrants, he was referring to a question about MS13 who are worse than animals.


So all his other views on immigrants you ignore then?

He has many poor views and spread a load of discontent in the US, which is now more divided than when it was under Obama

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So many of the people Trump was talking about are not even immigrants

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-animals-hitler/

Hence he was using that to stoke fear against immigrants

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Didge wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:nothing when he was not referring to immigrants, he was referring to a question about MS13 who are worse than animals.


So all his other views on immigrants you ignore then?

He has many poor views and spread a load of discontent in the US, which is now more divided than when it was under Obama
I would stand corrected if you show me where he called immigrants animals.

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Didge wrote:So many of the people Trump was talking about are not even immigrants

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-animals-hitler/

Hence he was using that to stoke fear against immigrants
fuck me you use snopes as a source. chortle.

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The Devil, You Know wrote:
Didge wrote:So many of the people Trump was talking about are not even immigrants

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-animals-hitler/

Hence he was using that to stoke fear against immigrants
fuck me you use snopes as a source. chortle.


Fuck me, can you deny the points they make, chortle

Again is it true that the gang has its origins in the US and many of them are not immigrants?

Take your time Cathy

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Didge wrote:So many of the people Trump was talking about are not even immigrants

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-animals-hitler/

Hence he was using that to stoke fear against immigrants
are you suggesting people that have stabbed people a 100 times, ripped out their heart and decapitated them, trafficked women and are involved in the drugs trade are good future citizens

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The Devil, You Know wrote:
Didge wrote:So many of the people Trump was talking about are not even immigrants

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-animals-hitler/

Hence he was using that to stoke fear against immigrants
are you suggesting people that have stabbed people a 100 times, ripped out their heart and decapitated them, trafficked women and are involved in the drugs trade are good future citizens


Cathy Newman alert

Where did I make such a claim?

Never did

I said, many of this gang are not immigrants and the gang originated in the US

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Didge wrote:
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fuck me you use snopes as a source. chortle.


Fuck me, can you deny the points they make, chortle

Again is it true that the gang has its origins in the US and many of them are not immigrants?

Take your time Cathy
I am denying he called immigrants animals as the media quite obviously knew but chose to misrepresent.

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Post by Guest on Wed May 30, 2018 11:13 am

The Trump administration has consistently presented the threat posed by MS-13 as immigration-related, although the MS-13 gang has its origins in the United States, and many MS-13 members are American citizens rather than undocumented migrants. Specifically (as we have previously written), the gang originated in 1979 in the Pico-Union neighborhood of Los Angeles.


In March 2016, ICE arrested 1,133 suspected gang members, 79 percent of whom were American citizens.


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-animals-hitler/


So again it seems very clear to me that Trump was distorting this to very much make a view to be alarmed against immigrants, when the reality is this gang is mainly made up of US citizens.


Thus Trump was using as hateful views as the Nazi's, as what did this gang have to do with immigrants, when most are US citizens?


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The Devil, You Know wrote:
Didge wrote:


Fuck me, can you deny the points they make, chortle

Again is it true that the gang has its origins in the US and many of them are not immigrants?

Take your time Cathy
I am denying he called immigrants animals as the media quite obviously knew but chose to misrepresent.


lol backtracking and as seen his views clearly do not make sense, when the gang originates in the US and is made up mainly of US citizens

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Didge wrote:
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I am denying he called immigrants animals as the media quite obviously knew but chose to misrepresent.


lol backtracking and as seen his views clearly do not make sense, when the gang originates in the US and is made up mainly of US citizens
perhaps you cant point out to the backtracking, I started off by saying he didn't call immigrants animals and I ma finishing here by saying he didn't say immigrants were animals. If you cant understand my posts that may be down to you, not me

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Didge wrote:


lol backtracking and as seen his views clearly do not make sense, when the gang originates in the US and is made up mainly of US citizens
perhaps you cant point out to the backtracking, I started off by saying he didn't call immigrants animals and I ma finishing here by saying he didn't say immigrants were animals. If you cant understand my posts that may be down to you, not me


The backtracking is on you saying snopes was laughable, until I pointed out that Trumps views using this gang around immigrants. Is nothing more than a smokescreen and clearly was directing his views at immigrants

He never said these US citizens are animals did he? When near 80% arrested have been US citizens

So why only the 20% are animals to him?

I would have thought all those in the gangs were animals, whether US citizens and immigrants in this gang, but he never said that did he Cathy?

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Post by Jules on Wed May 30, 2018 11:32 am

Didge wrote:Richard E. Frankel is an Associate Professor of history at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette.

"We have people coming into the country—or trying to come in, we're stopping a lot of them—but we're taking people out of the country, you wouldn't believe how bad these people are. These aren't people. These are animals." – Donald Trump, May 16, 2018

By now, most Americans who follow the news have heard about Donald Trump’s description of illegal immigrants as “animals.” The comment elicited a great deal of outrage and condemnation—and rightfully so. Here was the President of the United States publicly dehumanizing an entire group of people. (See below for a fuller discussion of what he said and what he meant.) It was disgusting, but hardly surprising. After all, this is a man who believes there were “very fine people” marching under the Nazi flag in Charlottesville, Virginia last year. So already the image of Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler have been linked in a public discussion.

And now, once again, many people are pointing out the similarities between Trump’s language and that used by Hitler and the Nazis. And while such comparisons are often dismissed as hysterical exaggeration or hyper-partisan rhetoric, this historian of modern Germany once again sees enough commonalities with that dark period of history to sit down and describe the danger America currently faces.

Whatever concrete plans Donald Trump might or might not have for his presidency, it is clear to me that he has ideas about what America should ultimately look like, a kind of ideal national community. To Trump “making America great again,” means making it a white, Christian, male-dominated society. With the authoritarian powers he so clearly desires, he could maintain the appearance of democracy, while in reality only those “real” Americans would enjoy some rights. The rest, having been pushed to the margins of society would be subject to the whims of Trump’s autocratic regime. And those pushed beyond the boundary? They would no longer be of any concern to “real Americans.”

It’s a vision reminiscent of Adolf Hitler’s effort to create hisideal national/racial community. His Germany was to be a society without divisions of class, religion, race, or politics—a society in which only Germans would enjoy the benefits of citizenship. In Hitler’s ideal Germany there would be no Jews, no communists or socialists, no liberals, no one with disabilities. And what’s important to remember is that the process of creating that national community began well before anyone had even imagined something as horrifying as Auschwitz. And it began with a rather deliberate choice of target: not Jews, but communists.

Hitler targeted communists immediately after coming to power because they were members of a group that most middle-class (“real”) Germans already considered to be on the margins of society. They were “unpatriotic,” “subversive,” “treasonous,” “criminal.” They were, in short, “un-German.” But to Hitler, there was something more. There was a fundamental connection, he believed, between communists and Jews—Germany’s ultimate enemy. Since the early 1920s, Hitler had railed against “Jewish Bolshevism.” The image of the “Judeo-Bolshevik” sitting in Moscow directing a global conspiracy aimed at the destruction of Germany and western Christian civilization became a mainstay of Nazi propaganda. By attacking Communists first, therefore, he was preparing the way for the assault on the country’s Jews, a group much more established in German society and therefore not as easily removed.

Already on the night of January 30, 1933, following Hitler’s appointment as Chancellor, Nazi Storm Troopers assaulted communists on the streets of Berlin and other cities in the guise of establishing “law and order.” With the image of the “Judeo Bolshevik” in the heads of these vicious thugs, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that some Jews found themselves swept up in that initial maelstrom of Nazi violence. Still, the target at this point was communists.

But by linking Jews—a well-established group within Germany’s middle class—with the widely despised communists, Hitler could blur the lines that separated the two groups in the minds of “real” Germans. After all, some communists were Jews! Granted, they were a tiny percentage of the Jewish population. Granted, they had abandoned any connection to their Jewishness. But by harping on the danger of communism, Hitler made it easier for “good” Germans to accept increasingly harsh measures against Jews.

Ultimately, this meant depicting communists and Jews as barely human, Asiatic beasts from the east. It meant making them into animals. They were, according to the Führer, “parasites,” “a global plague,” “racial tuberculosis,” “vermin,” “Galician vampires.”

By November 1938, after nearly six years of dehumanization, after the nationwide pogrom known as Kristallnacht, it was clear to most that the rhetorical removal of Jews from the German national/racial community was a success. And what that rhetorical removal allowed for, under the extreme conditions of war, was the next and final stage: physical removal, the Final Solution.

Now what has Donald Trump done to elicit such a comparison? He’s clearly targeted a vulnerable group, a group already on the margins of society—not just immigrants, but, as he and his followers like to call them, “illegal aliens.” But it isn’t just the undocumented that he warns about. It’s MS-13—an unquestionably brutal gang that has committed horrific acts of violence in the United States.

This is the image that Donald Trump wants people to think about when they think about immigrants. Never mind that the vast majority of immigrants from Latin America are not now nor will they ever become members of MS-13. Never mind that the vast majority of immigrants from Latin America do not commit crimes after their arrival in the country. Never mind that his administration has begun to separatechildrenfrom their parents upon crossing the border. Children. Pried from the arms of their parents. How could they be members of MS-13? How could they possibly be dangerous? Don’t be fooled, Trump tells us. “They look so innocent,” he says. “They’re not innocent.” Donald Trump calls them animals and lets the press parse out whether he meant just gang members or all immigrants.

Meanwhile, he’s already moved on from rhetorical removal to the next stage: physical removal. ICE agents conduct brutal raids across the country. They seize people who “appear” to be undocumented. They seize people they claim to be members of MS-13, because they “look like” gang members. And in recent months the government has rescinded Temporary Protected Status to most of the more than 300,000 refugees from countries the president has already labeled “shitholes.” Three hundred thousand people the government will soon force to leave this country.

All of this and more is possible if you believe, as the president and many of his followers do, that some people aren’t really people at all—certainly not people like them, with the same feelings, the same concerns, the same humanity. It’s possible to do horrible things to people if you come to believe they are animals. We’ve seen it in the case of Nazi Germany. And no, I am not predicting the construction of an American Auschwitz. That nightmare should not be the measure of all horror. There are scenarios well short of gas chambers that are possible once this country chooses the path that Donald Trump has opened up with his dehumanizing rhetoric. The first step to stopping it from going further is to remember that of course they are not animals—they are just like us.


https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/169151

An intemperate choice of words can distract from the message. This is counterproductive and wastes the speaker's time.

So for that reason alone [not for 'PC' reasons!] it's in his own interest to choose his words more carefully. Trump's vocabulary is very basic, it's meant to appeal to basic instincts.

Huckabee will be along to bail him out by explaining what he really meant to say. I think of Trump-speak as a different language to English and Huckerbee is his translator. Surprised


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Didge wrote:
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perhaps you cant point out to the backtracking, I started off by saying he didn't call immigrants animals and I ma finishing here by saying he didn't say immigrants were animals. If you cant understand my posts that may be down to you, not me


The backtracking is on you saying snopes was laughable, until I pointed out that Trumps views using this gang around immigrants. Is nothing more than a smokescreen and clearly was directing his views at immigrants

He never said these US citizens are animals did he? When near 80% arrested have been US citizens

So why only the 20% are animals to him?

I would have thought all those in the gangs were animals, whether US citizens and immigrants in this gang, but he never said that did he Cathy?
snopes is a joke, it is not impartial in any way at all. can you give me the snopes fact check on that statement

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Didge wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
perhaps you cant point out to the backtracking, I started off by saying he didn't call immigrants animals and I ma finishing here by saying he didn't say immigrants were animals. If you cant understand my posts that may be down to you, not me


The backtracking is on you saying snopes was laughable, until I pointed out that Trumps views using this gang around immigrants. Is nothing more than a smokescreen and clearly was directing his views at immigrants

He never said these US citizens are animals did he? When near 80% arrested have been US citizens

So why only the 20% are animals to him?

I would have thought all those in the gangs were animals, whether US citizens and immigrants in this gang, but he never said that did he Cathy?
his animals comment was in reference to a comment about MS13. Watch the video

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Jules wrote:
Didge wrote:Richard E. Frankel is an Associate Professor of history at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette.

"We have people coming into the country—or trying to come in, we're stopping a lot of them—but we're taking people out of the country, you wouldn't believe how bad these people are. These aren't people. These are animals." – Donald Trump, May 16, 2018

By now, most Americans who follow the news have heard about Donald Trump’s description of illegal immigrants as “animals.” The comment elicited a great deal of outrage and condemnation—and rightfully so. Here was the President of the United States publicly dehumanizing an entire group of people. (See below for a fuller discussion of what he said and what he meant.) It was disgusting, but hardly surprising. After all, this is a man who believes there were “very fine people” marching under the Nazi flag in Charlottesville, Virginia last year. So already the image of Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler have been linked in a public discussion.

And now, once again, many people are pointing out the similarities between Trump’s language and that used by Hitler and the Nazis. And while such comparisons are often dismissed as hysterical exaggeration or hyper-partisan rhetoric, this historian of modern Germany once again sees enough commonalities with that dark period of history to sit down and describe the danger America currently faces.

Whatever concrete plans Donald Trump might or might not have for his presidency, it is clear to me that he has ideas about what America should ultimately look like, a kind of ideal national community. To Trump “making America great again,” means making it a white, Christian, male-dominated society. With the authoritarian powers he so clearly desires, he could maintain the appearance of democracy, while in reality only those “real” Americans would enjoy some rights. The rest, having been pushed to the margins of society would be subject to the whims of Trump’s autocratic regime. And those pushed beyond the boundary? They would no longer be of any concern to “real Americans.”

It’s a vision reminiscent of Adolf Hitler’s effort to create hisideal national/racial community. His Germany was to be a society without divisions of class, religion, race, or politics—a society in which only Germans would enjoy the benefits of citizenship. In Hitler’s ideal Germany there would be no Jews, no communists or socialists, no liberals, no one with disabilities. And what’s important to remember is that the process of creating that national community began well before anyone had even imagined something as horrifying as Auschwitz. And it began with a rather deliberate choice of target: not Jews, but communists.

Hitler targeted communists immediately after coming to power because they were members of a group that most middle-class (“real”) Germans already considered to be on the margins of society. They were “unpatriotic,” “subversive,” “treasonous,” “criminal.” They were, in short, “un-German.” But to Hitler, there was something more. There was a fundamental connection, he believed, between communists and Jews—Germany’s ultimate enemy. Since the early 1920s, Hitler had railed against “Jewish Bolshevism.” The image of the “Judeo-Bolshevik” sitting in Moscow directing a global conspiracy aimed at the destruction of Germany and western Christian civilization became a mainstay of Nazi propaganda. By attacking Communists first, therefore, he was preparing the way for the assault on the country’s Jews, a group much more established in German society and therefore not as easily removed.

Already on the night of January 30, 1933, following Hitler’s appointment as Chancellor, Nazi Storm Troopers assaulted communists on the streets of Berlin and other cities in the guise of establishing “law and order.” With the image of the “Judeo Bolshevik” in the heads of these vicious thugs, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that some Jews found themselves swept up in that initial maelstrom of Nazi violence. Still, the target at this point was communists.

But by linking Jews—a well-established group within Germany’s middle class—with the widely despised communists, Hitler could blur the lines that separated the two groups in the minds of “real” Germans. After all, some communists were Jews! Granted, they were a tiny percentage of the Jewish population. Granted, they had abandoned any connection to their Jewishness. But by harping on the danger of communism, Hitler made it easier for “good” Germans to accept increasingly harsh measures against Jews.

Ultimately, this meant depicting communists and Jews as barely human, Asiatic beasts from the east. It meant making them into animals. They were, according to the Führer, “parasites,” “a global plague,” “racial tuberculosis,” “vermin,” “Galician vampires.”

By November 1938, after nearly six years of dehumanization, after the nationwide pogrom known as Kristallnacht, it was clear to most that the rhetorical removal of Jews from the German national/racial community was a success. And what that rhetorical removal allowed for, under the extreme conditions of war, was the next and final stage: physical removal, the Final Solution.

Now what has Donald Trump done to elicit such a comparison? He’s clearly targeted a vulnerable group, a group already on the margins of society—not just immigrants, but, as he and his followers like to call them, “illegal aliens.” But it isn’t just the undocumented that he warns about. It’s MS-13—an unquestionably brutal gang that has committed horrific acts of violence in the United States.

This is the image that Donald Trump wants people to think about when they think about immigrants. Never mind that the vast majority of immigrants from Latin America are not now nor will they ever become members of MS-13. Never mind that the vast majority of immigrants from Latin America do not commit crimes after their arrival in the country. Never mind that his administration has begun to separatechildrenfrom their parents upon crossing the border. Children. Pried from the arms of their parents. How could they be members of MS-13? How could they possibly be dangerous? Don’t be fooled, Trump tells us. “They look so innocent,” he says. “They’re not innocent.” Donald Trump calls them animals and lets the press parse out whether he meant just gang members or all immigrants.

Meanwhile, he’s already moved on from rhetorical removal to the next stage: physical removal. ICE agents conduct brutal raids across the country. They seize people who “appear” to be undocumented. They seize people they claim to be members of MS-13, because they “look like” gang members. And in recent months the government has rescinded Temporary Protected Status to most of the more than 300,000 refugees from countries the president has already labeled “shitholes.” Three hundred thousand people the government will soon force to leave this country.

All of this and more is possible if you believe, as the president and many of his followers do, that some people aren’t really people at all—certainly not people like them, with the same feelings, the same concerns, the same humanity. It’s possible to do horrible things to people if you come to believe they are animals. We’ve seen it in the case of Nazi Germany. And no, I am not predicting the construction of an American Auschwitz. That nightmare should not be the measure of all horror. There are scenarios well short of gas chambers that are possible once this country chooses the path that Donald Trump has opened up with his dehumanizing rhetoric. The first step to stopping it from going further is to remember that of course they are not animals—they are just like us.


https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/169151

An intemperate choice of words can distract from the message. This is counterproductive and wastes the speaker's time.

So for that reason alone [not for 'PC' reasons!]  it's in his own interest to choose his words more carefully. Trump's vocabulary is very basic, it's meant to appeal to basic instincts.

Huckabee will be along to bail him out by explaining what he really meant to say. I think of Trump-speak as a different language to English and Huckerbee is his translator. Surprised
there is no reason to explain what he meant, anyone who does not think MS13 are worse than animals is probably part of the problem

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Post by Guest on Wed May 30, 2018 11:36 am

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Didge wrote:


The backtracking is on you saying snopes was laughable, until I pointed out that Trumps views using this gang around immigrants. Is nothing more than a smokescreen and clearly was directing his views at immigrants

He never said these US citizens are animals did he? When near 80% arrested have been US citizens

So why only the 20% are animals to him?

I would have thought all those in the gangs were animals, whether US citizens and immigrants in this gang, but he never said that did he Cathy?
snopes is a joke, it is not impartial in any way at all. can you give me the snopes fact check on that statement


I have no problem if you think its a joke and sometimes I have questioned their findings, but you have failed to actually do that, on the evidence I presented

So best you start refuting claims Cathy, as otherwise your views are nothing but hot air

I mean if you read the article it says its partially true and even goes onto say like you, that Trump was reffering to the gang, but you never read it and condemned it without reading

That is priceless

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Post by Guest on Wed May 30, 2018 11:38 am

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Didge wrote:


The backtracking is on you saying snopes was laughable, until I pointed out that Trumps views using this gang around immigrants. Is nothing more than a smokescreen and clearly was directing his views at immigrants

He never said these US citizens are animals did he? When near 80% arrested have been US citizens

So why only the 20% are animals to him?

I would have thought all those in the gangs were animals, whether US citizens and immigrants in this gang, but he never said that did he Cathy?
his animals comment was in reference to a comment about MS13. Watch the video


But the gang is made up mainly of US citizens

So why is he not saying also US citizens in this gangs as animals?

I can tell you why Trump is saying that Cathy. Is because he classes those citizens as immigrants and that is the point you miss. 

I suggest you stop diverting with claptrap and get to the points I have posed to you

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Post by Jules on Wed May 30, 2018 11:47 am

Btw guys, comedienne Rosanne Bar got into hot water for using similar intemperate language in a 2am tweet. ABC has cancelled her show. Disaster. People have lost jobs as a result - and it's the lowest paid workers behind the scenes who will suffer most.


Ill judged tweets made in the dead of the night .... hmmm  - where have we seen those before?  Suspect

She did have the humilty to apologise tho. Hopefully lessons learnt.

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Post by Jules on Wed May 30, 2018 12:53 pm

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Jules wrote:
An intemperate choice of words can distract from the message. This is counterproductive and wastes the speaker's time.

So for that reason alone [not for 'PC' reasons!]  it's in his own interest to choose his words more carefully. Trump's vocabulary is very basic, it's meant to appeal to basic instincts.

Huckabee will be along to bail him out by explaining what he really meant to say. I think of Trump-speak as a different language to English and Huckerbee is his translator. Surprised
there is no reason to explain what he meant, anyone who does not think MS13 are worse than animals is probably part of the problem

First off, he has form.
Secondly his woefully poor communication skills make it all too easy for his detractors to pounce.
A leader of 330 million people should know he'll have everything he says dissected and analysed to death.

It's up to him to speak in an unequivocal style that leaves ZERO room for misintrepretation.

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