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Post by Lurker on Thu May 24, 2018 2:21 pm

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-s-lying-seems-be-getting-worse-psychology-suggests-there-ncna876486

Between when Failing Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon assumed office in January 2017 and the end of April, the average number of public false or misleading statements he has made per day has been increasing. According to the Washington Post’s fact checkers on May 1, "for the president’s first 100 days, he averaged 4.9 claims a day... since we last updated this tally two months ago, the president has averaged about 9 claims a day."

This is a significant rise. Our calculations suggest that if the current escalation rate remains steady, by the end of his term the president could be making as many as 19 public false statements a day, on average.

As psychologists interested in the science of lying, Trump’s increasing mendacity presents an interesting question: What might be causing this growth?

We first considered whether the increase could be explained by reporting bias. In other words, perhaps more falsehoods have been reported over time, rather than actually presented by the president. We found this explanation to be unlikely, as the Washington Post fact checkers stated they have scrutinized every single tweet, speech, statement and interview by the president since last January. (Importantly, this analysis is confined to public statements and it is difficult to know whether there has been a change in Trump’s total falsehoods.)

Emotion plays an important role in constraining dishonesty. If we feel bad when we lie, we are less likely to do so.

So if not reporting bias, what can explain the temporal increase of these falsehoods? Perhaps past lies needed to be covered up by more lies, or repeated falsehoods were eventually perceived as true making subsequent repetition likely. Or maybe falsehoods led to positive consequences, reinforcing such behavior further. These are all plausible explanations. But our research points to yet another intriguing explanation — a biological process called emotional adaptation.

Emotion plays an important role in constraining dishonesty. If we feel bad when we lie, we are less likely to do so. But if this uncomfortable feeling were to magically disappear, research suggests we would in turn lie more. In one study, students who were given a pill called a beta-blocker, which reduces emotional arousal, were more likely to cheat on an exam than students who were given a placebo. In other words, without that uncomfortable physiological feeling that accompanies dishonest behavior, people were more likely to cheat.
Research we conducted at University College London with our colleagues Dan Ariely and Stephanie Lazzaro, which was published in 2016 in the journal Nature Neuroscience, showed that the intensity of the emotional response people experience when they act dishonestly is reduced every time they lie. And this reduction (which scientists call emotional adaptation) makes them likely to lie more over time.

In our experiment, which was funded by the Wellcome Trust and the Center for Advanced Hindsight, we gave a group of 80 individuals the opportunity to lie again and again in a financial task in order to gain money at another person’s expense. We found that the volunteers started with relatively small lies, cheating by only a few cents, but slowly over the course of the experiment lied more and more. While they were doing so we recorded their brain activity using a brain imaging scanner. We found that the emotional network in the brain responded less with each additional lie. The greater the drop in the brain’s sensitivity to dishonesty, the more people lied the next time they had a chance.

Repeated dishonesty is a bit like a perfume you apply over and over. At first you easily detect the powerful scent of a new perfume. But over time and with more applications you can hardly sense its presence, so you apply more liberally. This happens because neurons in your olfactory bulb desensitize to the smell of the perfume. Similarly, it appears that our response to our own acts of dishonesty is strong at first, but over time decreases. Like students taking beta-blockers, your capacity for being dishonest increases.

Repeated dishonesty is a bit like a perfume you apply over and over. At first you easily detect the powerful scent of a new perfume. But over time and with more applications you can hardly sense its presence.

The picture becomes more alarming when we consider that individuals adapt not only to their own dishonesty but also to that of others. Research Harvard professors Francesca Gino and Max Bazerman shows that people are less likely to criticize the unethical actions of others when such behavior increases gradually over time. Politically speaking, this suggests that voters (and perhaps even the president’s own advisors) may desensitize to the president’s falsehoods in the same way that they do to overused perfume, making them less likely to act to correct this pattern of behavior. The absence of sanctions could in turn be interpreted as a “green light” by the president.

Indeed, in a recent study of 2,500 U.S. citizens, the psychologist Birony Swire-Thompson found that Trump supporters’ intentions to vote for him were not affected by learning that the president had provided false information. And a recent Gallup poll showed that while the percentage of Americans who believe the president is “honest and trustworthy” has decreased from 46 percent in February to 36 percent in April, his approval ratings remained relatively stable. Indeed, in the past few months his approval rating continues to rise.

It is thus likely that we will observe a continuing increase in the number of falsehoods emanating from the Oval Office, accompanied by less and less outrage from the public.

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Post by Lurker on Thu May 24, 2018 2:24 pm

Basically, Trump is a lying piece of shit and a disgrace to the universe, but we all knew that already.

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Post by Angry Andy on Thu May 24, 2018 3:45 pm

Where is the lone marksman on the grassy knoll when you need him?

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Post by nicko on Thu May 24, 2018 4:07 pm

Oh dear, Andy calling for murder, and he complains about me. bit hypocritical isn't he ?
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Post by gelico on Thu May 24, 2018 4:40 pm




so in the whole article, there wasnt one single example of these ''falsehoods''.

just allegations, psychology, analogies and a bit of extra waffle.

what false statements has he made?.

I wonder how many false statements Obama made. That would make for interesting ''fact checking''

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Post by Original Quill on Thu May 24, 2018 5:01 pm

NBC News wrote:Repeated dishonesty is a bit like a perfume you apply over and over. At first you easily detect the powerful scent of a new perfume. But over time and with more applications you can hardly sense its presence.

There's that wonderful ad brought up by Febreze:



He's gone NOSEBLIND. Laughing

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Post by Original Quill on Thu May 24, 2018 5:22 pm

gelico wrote:


so in the whole article, there wasnt one single example of these ''falsehoods''.  

just allegations, psychology, analogies and a bit of extra waffle.

what false statements has he made?.

I wonder how many false statements Obama made.  That would make for interesting ''fact checking''

Trump's lies are legendary.  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/us/politics/fact-check-trumps-day-of-falsehoods-and-misleading-claims.html  

The Washington Post announced a couple of weeks ago that Trump had lied for the 2,000th time since taking office:



The New York Times reported Obama only told 18 Falsehoods during his entire Presidency.  http://freebeacon.com/politics/ny-times-reports-obama-told-18-falsehoods-presidency/

Nuff said.  The article discusses what consequence, rather than a protracted litany of the lies themselves.  God...it's bad enough to have to hear them once.

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri May 25, 2018 12:02 am

gelico wrote:


so in the whole article, there wasnt one single example of these ''falsehoods''.  

just allegations, psychology, analogies and a bit of extra waffle.

what false statements has he made?.

I wonder how many false statements Obama made.  That would make for interesting ''fact checking''

FOX news reported ever single False statement Obama made and some they just made up too Rolling Eyes

no one lies like Trump, any other politician would get crucified for even attempting the blatant provably false lies Trump posts.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri May 25, 2018 1:15 pm

gelico wrote:


so in the whole article, there wasnt one single example of these ''falsehoods''.  

just allegations, psychology, analogies and a bit of extra waffle.

what false statements has he made?.

I wonder how many false statements Obama made.  That would make for interesting ''fact checking''

Rolling Eyes

How about a few of Trump's lies outside of his presidency ???

His wealth -- he consistently claims to have been running a "$10 billion property empire", but all he has really managed to do is run it into the ground -- 3 years ago, Forbes stated his wealth was down to 6 billion, 2 years ago 4.5 billion, last year 3.3 billion, and still falling...

His self-proclaimed legendary "master negotiator skills" and "business successes" -- despite losing 2/3rds of his previous wealth, bankrupt three times, countless collapsed, stripped and failed projects, thousands of cheated investors left in his wake..

And, since last January :

Claims record job growth -- despite so many of those "jobs" being underpaid casual work and "zero hours contracts".

Claimed a "record turnout" for his inauguration -- despite photo' and fil evidence that it was barely over half of that for Obama..

Lied about rescuing factory jobs, and keeping those businesses in the USA...

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Post by Lurker on Fri May 25, 2018 2:02 pm

gelico is full of the kool-aid. He worships herr Trump.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri May 25, 2018 7:09 pm

Take a look at this timely article, published in The Naked Scientist:

Naked Scientist wrote:How our brains adapt to dishonesty
28 October 2016
Posted by KERSTIN GÖPFRICH

New research shows how small lies escalate over time unveiling the biological basis for the slippery slope of dishonesty in our brains.

White lies are widely accepted as an integral part of our everyday lives. And yet history has taught us how a series of small transgressions can snowball with detrimental outcomes.

To find out whether and how we get desensitised to lying, Tali Sharot and her team at University College London involved 80 adults in a game, where they could repeatedly choose to lie for their own benefit.
The study, published in Nature Neuroscience this week, showed that the participants' level of dishonesty increased over time.

By measuring the brain activity with a fMRI (functional magnetic resonance imaging) scan, the scientists could then correlate escalating dishonesty with a decrease in the amygdala response, a brain region known to be involved in emotion processing.

"We could actually predict how much people are going to lie more on the next trial by looking at how much the amygdala response dipped. The more it dropped, the more likely participants were to lie in the future" says Sharot.

The brain's adaptation to dishonesty appears to be similar to adaptation to other stimuli, such as smell.
In the game, a participant was asked to advise their partner on the estimated amount of money contained in a glass jar.

The rules were altered so that the participant was incentivised to lie for the benefit of both, for self-benefit alone or for the benefit of the partner.

"People lied the most when it was beneficial to lie for your own benefit and someone else. [...] And they did not lie at all when it helped someone else but would hurt themselves."

On a positive note, the participant's lies never got as big as they could have.

It remains to be determined how long-lasting the adaptation effect is and whether it holds true in a real-world scenario.

But if it does, Sharot suggests a way to escape the slippery slope of dishonesty.

"We might want to nudge people away from small lies and [our study] also suggests a way to do so. Because if what carves our dishonesty is emotion, and in the absence of emotion we are more likely to lie, then you might want to try and arouse emotion in people."

So when we lie the next time, and we all will, let's feel at least really bad about it!https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/science-news/how-our-brains-adapt-dishonesty

This is sort of the inverse of the subject of the thread.  This is, how the habitual liar affects the general public.  The public adapts to dishonesty by way of normalizing the untruth. In other words, when you hear a lie and you don't take issue with it, you are lending to its acceptance.

Goebbels was right:

Goebbels wrote:“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-on-the-quot-big-lie-quot

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Post by Lurker on Sat May 26, 2018 1:56 pm

If the Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon's mouth is moving, he's lying.

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Post by Jules on Sun May 27, 2018 5:17 pm

There are times when a political leader needs to massage the truth a little, or outright bend it!!

For reasons of expediency. Wink  Wink  

It's telling how Trumpet stepped into this role so naturally, without missing a beat.  

Took to it like a duck to water, he's certainly found his niche.

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Post by Lurker on Sun May 27, 2018 6:09 pm

Jules wrote:There are times when a political leader needs to massage the truth a little, or outright bend it!!

For reasons of expediency. Wink  Wink  

It's telling how Trumpet stepped into this role so naturally, without missing a beat.  

Took to it like a duck to water, he's certainly found his niche.

Yep, he's leader of the American stupid people..

His supporters worship stupid with a vengeance.

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