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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:11 am

Dogs cannot get ‘autism’, the British Veterinary Association has warned, after the ‘anti-vaccine’ movement spread to pets.

'Anti-vaxxers' believe that immunisations have harmful side effects and may be the cause of autism in children - beliefs widely debunked by the medical community.

This theory is increasingly being applied to pets, particularly in the US, and there are fears it is spreading to the UK and could cause already low vaccination rates to fall.

The BVA said: “We are aware of an increase in anti-vaccination pet owners in the US who have voiced concerns that vaccinations may lead to their dogs developing autism-like behaviour.

“But there is currently no scientific evidence to suggest autism in dogs or a link between vaccination and autism.”

“All medicines have potential side effects but in the case of vaccines these are rare and the benefits of vaccination in protecting against disease far outweigh the potential for an adverse reaction.”

Senior Vice President Gudrun Ravetz added: “Vaccinations save lives and are an important tool in keeping our pets healthy.

“We know from the example of the MMR vaccine and its now disproven link to autism in children that scaremongering can lead to a loss of public confidence in vaccination and knee-jerk reactions that can lead to outbreaks of disease.


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Post by eddie on Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:43 am

I’m not even sure how one would test for autism in a dog.

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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:46 am

eddie wrote:I’m not even sure how one would test for autism in a dog.

Well if it cannot be tested, then no dog can then have autism then, can they.

As how then can any dog owner claim their dog has autism?

Think about it Eddie

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:54 am

Dunno.....

BUT....my english springer spaniel is just plain batshit crazy.....does that count?????

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Post by eddie on Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:05 am

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:I’m not even sure how one would test for autism in a dog.

Well if it cannot be tested, then no dog can then have autism then, can they.

As how then can any dog owner claim their dog has autism?

Think about it Eddie

Hahahahahahaha I had a point but can’t remember it now.

Sometimes I ain’t too bright. clown

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Post by eddie on Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:06 am

Lord Foul wrote:Dunno.....

BUT....my english springer spaniel is just plain batshit crazy.....does that count?????

That’s the breed. They’re all batshit crazy.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:17 pm

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"Anti-vaxxers" the demented demon spawn offspring of Vegans interbreeding among themselves...

Those fruitloop anti-vaxxerss should be banned from both having children and keeping pets..

Any and all objectors and dissidents could then be taken out the back and shot.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:25 pm

This is a very debatable topic. Young dogs definitely need vaccinations. Old dogs? After 10 years old, my vet told me that they have built up enough defence and that boosters only needed to be given every three years or so, not every year, if at all. We didn't get any of our dogs booster vaccinated after 10 years old, and our last dog died of old age at 14. The one before that at 16.

Vaccinations are a huge income for vets. At £30 to £50 a shot, I'm sure they only pay pennies for the actual drug itself.
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Post by HoratioTarr on Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:33 pm

A small percentage of dogs do die from vaccinations but one has to weigh up the benefits.  

According to my vet leptospirosis vaccine needs to be given every year with parvo and distemper only needed every three years in older dogs.
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Post by nicko on Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:32 pm

Don't get me started on Vets, most are ripping off pet owners because they know we'll pay anything to stop our pets suffering.
Yesterday my Son took my Cat to the vets for nail clipping and health check.
Total time spent from when Cat started treatment, 8 mins,
Vet charges, £38.67.
If that's not a rip off what is?
Time the Government did something about this

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Post by eddie on Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:45 am

A lot of vaccinations are all about the money.
Everyone knows that. Unless you’re a sucker.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:10 am

nicko wrote:Don't get me started on Vets,   most are ripping off pet owners because they know we'll pay anything to stop our pets suffering.
Yesterday my Son took my Cat to the vets for nail clipping and health check.
Total time spent from when Cat started treatment, 8 mins,
Vet charges, £38.67.
If that's not a rip off what is?
Time the Government did something about this


There are vets that don't charge for a consultation. That alone knocks you back £30.
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Post by Lord Foul on Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:03 am


I get a discount from my vet

I take 7 dogs and 5 cats in one day for their vax........
on a more serious note...these antis should have their phone lines disconnected, be banned from the internet and ONLY allowed "non internet connected phones" with the potential for 20 years inside for breaching those conditions....

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Post by Lord Foul on Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:04 am

Oh and be placed on the "fookin idiots" register, visible to anyone who wants .....

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:12 am

eddie wrote:A lot of vaccinations are all about the money.
Everyone knows that.  Unless you’re a sucker.


Really?

They are not about helping animals and humans by providing protection from illnesses?

For fuck sake, please stop posting such bollocks

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:03 pm

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:
A lot of vaccinations are all about the money.
Everyone knows that.  Unless you’re a sucker.


Really?

They are not about helping animals and humans by providing protection from illnesses?

For fuck sake, please stop posting such bollocks

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Apparently, eddie still believes that she knows much more, and better, than the medicos and vets...

No need for 5 or 6 years university and a five-year internship; nor all those $$billions$$ wasted every year on research and developmemt..

Everybody can simply listen to eddie's mutterings instead.

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:05 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Didge wrote:

Really?

They are not about helping animals and humans by providing protection from illnesses?

For fuck sake, please stop posting such bollocks

What a Face

Apparently, eddie still believes that she knows much more, and better, than the medicos and vets...

No need for 5 or 6 years university and a five-year internship;  nor all those $$billions$$ wasted every year on research and developmemt..

Everybody can simply listen to eddie's mutterings instead.

cheers

It annoys me no end, when Eddie comes out with such riduclous views around this

She sadly buys into conspiracy nonesense and to me and why others do so, is because they have no idea, what it was like before people did have vaccinations. If people starting dying in droves, she would understand how her views are so poor on this.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:11 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:What a Face             cat       Suspect

"Anti-vaxxers" the demented demon spawn offspring of Vegans interbreeding among themselves...

Those fruitloop anti-vaxxerss should be banned from both having children and keeping pets..

Any and all objectors and dissidents could then be taken out the back and shot.

Are you suggesting that veganism is a genetically inherited condition?

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:14 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:What a Face             cat       Suspect

"Anti-vaxxers" the demented demon spawn offspring of Vegans interbreeding among themselves...

Those fruitloop anti-vaxxerss should be banned from both having children and keeping pets..

Any and all objectors and dissidents could then be taken out the back and shot.

Are you suggesting that veganism is a genetically inherited condition?

https://phys.org/news/2017-06-modern-european-genes-favor-vegetarianism.html

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:20 pm

Is there any evidence that being anti-vaccination is the result of genetically inherited veganism?

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:22 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Is there any evidence that being anti-vaccination is the result of genetically inherited veganism?


http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/04/01/scientists-discover-gene-and-part-of-brain-that-make-people-gullible/

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:28 pm

Is there any justification for saying that people who are opposed to vaccinations should be banned from having children or pets, and that anyone who disagrees with that should be shot?

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:34 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Is there any justification for saying that people who are opposed to vaccinations should be banned from having children or pets, and that anyone who disagrees with that should be shot?


Do you not think its a form of child abuse, to deny a child the medical help they need to prevent illnesses?

I dont think anyone should be shot, buts its certainly open for debate, whether such views by parents are completely irresponsible. When they place their children at risk. Children are not property to own by parents. I do not think the child needs to be taken away, only that the state takes action to ensure the well being of that child and ensures that they are vaccinated. To not do so, places that child, as well as many others at risk. As universal human rights, overrule the warped beliefs of any parent

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:37 pm

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Is there any justification for saying that people who are opposed to vaccinations should be banned from having children or pets, and that anyone who disagrees with that should be shot?

Cool

Why should a bunch of anti-social, anti-science crazies such as vegans and 'anti-vaxxers' be allowed to breed or keep animals...

Just because those vegans and anti-vaxxers were born, per chance..

Allowing them such undeserved freedoms is simply tantamount to cruelty and neglect against children, and animals, respectively.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:39 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
Is there any justification for saying that people who are opposed to vaccinations should be banned from having children or pets, and that anyone who disagrees with that should be shot?

Cool

Why should a bunch of anti-social, anti-science crazies such as vegans and 'anti-vaxxers' be allowed to breed or keep animals...

Just because those vegans and anti-vaxxers were born, per chance..

Allowing them such undeserved freedoms is simply tantamount to cruelty and neglect against children, and animals, respectively.

Are you saying that only vegans are anti vaccination? It's interesting that you believe in selective breeding. Shades of Hitler?

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Post by eddie on Tue May 15, 2018 7:14 pm

Why shouldn’t Vegans keep pets? It’s not like they’ll be tempted to eat them. Razz


And you are assuming that all anti-vaxxers are vegan.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue May 15, 2018 9:35 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Cool

Why should a bunch of anti-social, anti-science crazies such as vegans and 'anti-vaxxers' be allowed to breed or keep animals...

Just because those vegans and anti-vaxxers were born, per chance..

Allowing them such undeserved freedoms is simply tantamount to cruelty and neglect against children, and animals, respectively.

Are you saying that only vegans are anti vaccination? It's interesting that you believe in selective breeding. Shades of Hitler?

Razz

Your deliberate misrepresentation of what I wrote simply shows poor comprehension on your part, Raggs...

When I clearly wrote "vegans and anti-vaxxers.."

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue May 15, 2018 9:43 pm

eddie wrote:
Why shouldn’t Vegans keep pets? It’s not like they’ll be tempted to eat them. Razz


And you are assuming that all anti-vaxxers are vegan.

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I'm assuming nothing --  see my reply to Raggamuffin, above...

One simple reason why genuine "vegans" (as opposed to the lying pretend-vegans that so many of you seem to associate with..) are opposed to keeping pets ?

Genuine Vegans are opposed to all exploitation of animals --  and that includes having pets and companion animals..   Also --  just how would you expect vegans to feed dogs, cats, ferrets, raptors, snakes or lizards (all meat eaters..) kept as pets  ???

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Ladies, he did not say that vegans are anti-vaxxers or vice versa.

Wolfie wrote:Why should a bunch of anti-social, anti-science crazies such as vegans and 'anti-vaxxers' be allowed to breed or keep animals...

Just because those vegans and anti-vaxxers were born, per chance..

To wit:

El Muchacho Tan Padre wrote:Why should a bunch of anti-social, anti-science crazies such as Americans and British be allowed to breed or keep animals...

Just because those Americans and British were born, per chance..

See? Two discrete groups of people, lumped together as being "anti-social, anti-science crazies" yes, but not being described as the same thing.

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Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Ladies, he did not say that vegans are anti-vaxxers or vice versa.

Wolfie wrote:Why should a bunch of anti-social, anti-science crazies such as vegans and 'anti-vaxxers' be allowed to breed or keep animals...

Just because those vegans and anti-vaxxers were born, per chance..

To wit:

El Muchacho Tan Padre wrote:Why should a bunch of anti-social, anti-science crazies such as Americans and British be allowed to breed or keep animals...

Just because those Americans and British were born, per chance..

See? Two discrete groups of people, lumped together as being "anti-social, anti-science crazies" yes, but not being described as the same thing.


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Post by eddie on Wed May 16, 2018 6:04 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
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Why shouldn’t Vegans keep pets? It’s not like they’ll be tempted to eat them. Razz


And you are assuming that all anti-vaxxers are vegan.

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I'm assuming nothing --  see my reply to Raggamuffin, above...

One simple reason why genuine "vegans" (as opposed to the lying pretend-vegans that so many of you seem to associate with..) are opposed to keeping pets ?

Genuine Vegans are opposed to all exploitation of animals --  and that includes having pets and companion animals..   Also --  just how would you expect vegans to feed dogs, cats, ferrets, raptors, snakes or lizards (all meat eaters..) kept as pets  ???


No matter which way you switch it to make yourself right/ feel better, keeping animals as a meat-eater, is still hypocritical. That goes for all of you.

I’m not returning to tell you why, because you’ve lied to yourself so for long about your logical bullshit and making it fit into your logical way of grouping animals, that I will never change it, nor should I want to, because I am NOT a hypocrite and I actually care very little for any animal.

But don’t sit there, chomping meat and feeding your dog off the same plate and also crying over the culling of dogs in China.

Either all animals are equal or they’re not but don’t make up rubbish excuses so you can lazily eat your cultural food out of habit.

Now, I’m off to eat eggs. They’re baby chickens....and I don’t give a fuck. Razz

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Wed May 16, 2018 6:34 pm

eddie wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Rolling Eyes

I'm assuming nothing --  see my reply to Raggamuffin, above...

One simple reason why genuine "vegans" (as opposed to the lying pretend-vegans that so many of you seem to associate with..) are opposed to keeping pets ?

Genuine Vegans are opposed to all exploitation of animals --  and that includes having pets and companion animals..   Also --  just how would you expect vegans to feed dogs, cats, ferrets, raptors, snakes or lizards (all meat eaters..) kept as pets  ???

No matter which way you switch it to make yourself right/ feel better, keeping animals as a meat-eater, is still hypocritical. That goes for all of you.

I’m not returning to tell you why, because you’ve lied to yourself so for long about your logical bullshit and making it fit into your logical way of grouping animals, that I will never change it, nor should I want to, because I am NOT a hypocrite and I actually care very little for any animal.

But don’t sit there, chomping meat and feeding your dog off the same plate and also crying over the culling of dogs in China.

Either all animals are equal or they’re not but don’t make up rubbish excuses so you can lazily eat your cultural food out of habit.

Now, I’m off to eat eggs. They’re baby chickens....and I don’t give a fuck. Razz

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1.  I've twisted ("switched") nothing...

2.  I'm not "lying to (myself..)."

3. 5here's nothing "hypoctitical" about my position..

The only way that eddie can honestly be true to herself on this subject, with all of her irrational attacks on the omnivores, farmers (and gardeners..) and pet owners on here, is if :

*  she never eats meat, fish, dairy, nor any foods fertilised with manures or blood and bone;
*  she doesn't own any woollen, leather, cashmere or angora clothing;
*  nor should eddie be keeping any pets that eat meat..

Nor should eddie be killing any spiders, nor pests in her garden --  that's just not kosher.

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Post by eddie on Thu May 17, 2018 12:59 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
eddie wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
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I'm assuming nothing --  see my reply to Raggamuffin, above...

One simple reason why genuine "vegans" (as opposed to the lying pretend-vegans that so many of you seem to associate with..) are opposed to keeping pets ?

Genuine Vegans are opposed to all exploitation of animals --  and that includes having pets and companion animals..   Also --  just how would you expect vegans to feed dogs, cats, ferrets, raptors, snakes or lizards (all meat eaters..) kept as pets  ???

No matter which way you switch it to make yourself right/ feel better, keeping animals as a meat-eater, is still hypocritical. That goes for all of you.

I’m not returning to tell you why, because you’ve lied to yourself so for long about your logical bullshit and making it fit into your logical way of grouping animals, that I will never change it, nor should I want to, because I am NOT a hypocrite and I actually care very little for any animal.

But don’t sit there, chomping meat and feeding your dog off the same plate and also crying over the culling of dogs in China.

Either all animals are equal or they’re not but don’t make up rubbish excuses so you can lazily eat your cultural food out of habit.

Now, I’m off to eat eggs. They’re baby chickens....and I don’t give a fuck. Razz

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1.  I've twisted ("switched") nothing...

2.  I'm not "lying to (myself..)."

3. 5here's nothing "hypoctitical" about my position..

The only way that eddie can honestly be true to herself on this subject, with all of her irrational attacks on the omnivores, farmers (and gardeners..) and pet owners on here, is if :

*  she never eats meat, fish, dairy, nor any foods fertilised with manures or blood and bone;
*  she doesn't own any woollen, leather, cashmere or angora clothing;
*  nor should eddie be keeping any pets that eat meat..

Nor should eddie be killing any spiders, nor pests in her garden --  that's just not kosher.

You didn’t read my post, or any of my other numerous posts that tell you this....

I don’t claim to care about animals. I don’t care how they die or how they live....So I really don’t see your point. YOU claim to care, as do all the othe meat eaters on this thread.

Does anyone read what people actually write? It’s a waste of my time.

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Post by nicko on Thu May 17, 2018 2:20 am

You don't care how they live or how they die ?You really are a caring person--------Not !
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nicko wrote:You don't care how they live or how they die ?You really are a caring person--------Not !

I care enough that I hope that no animals ever suffer, but I’m not a hypocrite. You eat meat so you don’t care how animals live or die either, do you?

Would you send your cat to the slaughterhouse if it needed putting down due to an incurable illness?

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu May 17, 2018 3:46 am

That, eddie is why nicko and I prefer if possible to get as much meat as possible whilst shooting,rather than from butchers etc.However, common sense pragmatism requires that a certain amount must be sourced from shops.Of course if we culled the hopeless/useless from society, along with the plain unnecessary we would have bigger hunting grounds. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

On the subject of vaccinations,one thing your cat and dog are immunised against is leptospirosis.......this is deadly to humans too and is caught from rodent pee. SO vaccinating your pet is necessary from a human health view point too.

YOU do realise dont you that the idiot anti pet brigade ALSO intend to remove ALL assistance animals from service, so no guide dogs....the blind can just get on with it.....No PTSD dogs, so the sufferers can just "pull themselves together and learn to cope" or alternatively just f **k off and die.

All horses would be allowed to die out

And in the attempt to replace wool the use of plastics with its consequent toxic legacy would increase many fold......And the replacement would be inferior in every respect........just at a point in time when we should be doing everything possible to move away from such artificial and environmentally damaging items.

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Post by eddie on Thu May 17, 2018 3:56 am

I’m not against vaccinating dogs. I never said I was.
I also said I’d never buy medicine online.

My point is exactly what I’ve been saying throughout the thread.

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu May 17, 2018 3:58 am

Oh, and MORE shite from the anti pet brigade is the idiotic claim that Cats, are the cause of the decline in song birds....utter tosh.
This may be true in the urban centers.....though cities are hardly the best environment anyway,and even in towns the figures are doubtful, but in rural areas the decline is largely down to increased predadtion by rapidly rising corvid (crows,magpies,jays etc) populations. Songbird populations in my woodland have risen 300%this year due to a heavy cull of crows and magpies I carried out last year.

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu May 17, 2018 4:00 am

I like how you seize upon one small part of my post ......

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Post by nicko on Thu May 17, 2018 5:37 am

Sorry eddie that post is total rubbish, [when your in a hole, stop digging] !
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Post by eddie on Thu May 17, 2018 5:57 am

Lord Foul wrote:I like how you seize upon one small part of my post ......

I like how you ignored my points. I’m not going to keep repeating myself.

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Post by eddie on Thu May 17, 2018 5:59 am

nicko wrote:Sorry eddie that post is total rubbish,    [when your in a hole, stop digging] !

Okay, you think it’s rubbish. Fair enough.
You didn’t answer my question though.
People often don’t answer my questions directly. They skirt around and change the subject to something I’m not even debating.

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Post by Guest on Thu May 17, 2018 6:05 am

eddie wrote:
nicko wrote:You don't care how they live or how they die ?You really are a caring person--------Not !

I care enough that I hope that no animals ever suffer, but I’m not a hypocrite. You eat meat so you don’t care how animals live or die either, do you?

Would you send your cat to the slaughterhouse if it needed putting down due to an incurable illness?


I will answer your question and have stated before I am a hypocrite, as I do eat meat

Have never denied this

I do not "fully" care about "all" animals, as i do eat meat, but I do certainly care about many animals. Many of which are ones i do not eat. The ones I eat, tend to be in abundance and produced solely for the purpose to eat meat. Though some of these practices are also poor, to say the least. It does not then mean i do not care about the welfare and well being of many animals. Espcially those endangered.

My point on the likes of Victor, Wolf and Nicko, is they do care about animals in how they hunt them and that they do so in many cases to eat. If all the world lived actually by their lifestyles and only hunted what was need to be eaten. Then it would be unlikely that many animals would be on the endangered list.

No I would not send a terminal ill cat to a slaughterhouse, as again its not something that I would eat.

A family pet pig? No problem, as bacon is delicious.

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Post by eddie on Thu May 17, 2018 6:33 am

Thank you for your honesty.

I don’t know why people try so hard to hide that they can be inconsistent. I sure am! But at least I admit it.

Thank you didge. I really mean that. I do love raw honesty.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Thu May 17, 2018 9:54 am

eddie wrote:I’m not against vaccinating dogs. I never said I was.
I also said I’d never buy medicine online.

My point is exactly what I’ve been saying throughout the thread.

We used to buy our dog's insulin on line. It was a third cheaper than at the vet's and exactly the same stuff. Mind you, you needed a prescription from the vet to purchase it.
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Post by veya_victaous on Thu May 17, 2018 11:29 am

eddie wrote:
nicko wrote:You don't care how they live or how they die ?You really are a caring person--------Not !

I care enough that I hope that no animals ever suffer, but I’m not a hypocrite. You eat meat so you don’t care how animals live or die either, do you?

Would you send your cat to the slaughterhouse if it needed putting down due to an incurable illness?

that's just being unrealistic though Suspect Suspect Suspect Suspect
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Just because you class some life as unfeeling because it doesn't have a face, doesn't mean it wasn't every bit as alive as a chicken or ourselves. You are a Sentient life form you cannot sustain your own life without feeding on other life forms. that is just reality, You are not a Plant(which I propose are Spiritually superior beings for the fact they can sustain their existence off water and sunlight alone).

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu May 17, 2018 11:50 am

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Oh, and MORE shite from the anti pet brigade is the idiotic claim that Cats, are the cause of the decline in song birds....utter tosh.
This may be true in the urban centers.....though cities are hardly the best environment anyway,and even in towns the figures are doubtful, but in rural areas the decline is largely down to increased predadtion by rapidly rising corvid (crows,magpies,jays etc) populations. Songbird populations in my woodland have risen 300%this year due to a heavy cull of crows and magpies I carried out last year.

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Too true that, Victor...

Down here, it is mostly the smaller birds (finches, wrens, warblers) that are disappearing from suburban areas..

The number one cause here is habitat loss, as smaller trees and shrubs are being clearfelled enmasse to make way for housing, farms and industrial estates, removing both their main food supplies and protection from larger predatory and bullying birds.

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Fri May 18, 2018 2:14 pm

This is just weird, why is it impossible to care about animals while still eating meat? Caring about animals doesn't mean you pretend that without hamburgers, cows would never die.

Also, let's say you care about both lions and gazelles. Then you're just sitting on the fence! One's trying to eat the other; the other's trying to starve the other.

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