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Post by eddie on Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:12 pm

Political discussions about immigrants often include the claim that there is a relationship between immigration patterns and increased crime. However, results of a University at Buffalo-led study find no links between the two. In fact, immigration actually appears to be linked to reductions in some types of crimes, according to the findings.

"Our research shows strong and stable evidence that, on average, across U.S. metropolitan areas crime and immigration are not linked," said Robert Adelman, an associate professor of sociology at UB and the paper's lead author. "The results show that immigration does not increase assaults and, in fact, robberies, burglaries, larceny, and murder are lower in places where immigration levels are higher.

"The results are very clear."




Previous research, based on arrest and offense data, has shown that, overall, foreign-born individuals are less likely to commit crimes than native-born Americans, according to Adelman.

For the current study, the authors stepped back from the study of individual immigrants and instead explored whether larger scale immigration patterns in communities could be tied to increases in crime due to changes in cities, such as fewer economic opportunities or the claim that immigrants displace domestic workers from jobs.

The authors drew a sample of 200 metropolitan areas as defined by the U.S. Census Bureau and used census data and uniform crime reporting data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation for a 40-year period from 1970 to 2010.

"This is a study across time and across place and the evidence is clear," said Adelman. "We are not claiming that immigrants are never involved in crime. What we are explaining is that communities experiencing demographic change driven by immigration patterns do not experience significant increases in any of the kinds of crime we examined. And in many cases, crime was either stable or actually declined in communities that incorporated many immigrants."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170210165953.htm

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Post by Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly on Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:20 pm

It makes sense to me that people in a different country would be more careful about walking the straight and narrow than the native-born.

It won't apply to me in England, though, I'm going to keep up my criminal ways:


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Post by Lord Foul on Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:23 pm

that may be the american experience, however..............

also has this "research" been peer reviewd and subjected to a meta study
are the people who conducted it left whingers with an axe to grind
I also note that they say

"do not experience significant increases in any of the kinds of crime we examined."

thus leading one to suspect that they were very selective about which crimes they used.......

fook me talk about fitting the data to the wanted result.......


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Post by eddie on Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:08 pm

“Fitting the data to the wanted result”

Interesting. Don’t you think that can be applied to any study?

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Post by Lord Foul on Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:48 pm

depends eddie...most scientific studies are fairly clear of that sort of bias, especially since they ARE peer reviewed and such a bias is one of the first things the reviewers look for....

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Post by eddie on Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:49 pm

Lord Foul wrote:depends eddie...most scientific studies are fairly clear of that sort of bias, especially since they ARE peer reviewed and such a bias is one of the first things the reviewers look for....

I’m totally listening, this isnt my forte so I’m ready to learn.
Why do you think this particular data is biased?

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Post by Lord Foul on Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:56 pm

the statement

"do not experience significant increases in any of the kinds of crime we examined."

so what did they look for.......

you could prove the same in rochdale if you avoided including kiddie fiddling

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Post by eddie on Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:01 pm

Lord Foul wrote:the statement

"do not experience significant increases in any of the kinds of crime we examined."

so what did they look for.......

you could prove the same in rochdale if you avoided including kiddie fiddling

I take your point. I guess it’s about reading between the lines...as usual, when reports or studies are made, which is why I rarely post them up.

Oh well.

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Post by Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly on Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:51 am

Okay, it is just one study, and it is only in America and maybe immigrants in America are different from immigrants in other countries.

But come on, this is a university, these are people trying to learn. To say they're some arm of the Global Army of Lefties is a bit out there, right?

Take it for what it's worth. It's a study that suggestive of how immigrants behave in America, and I highly doubt they're going to leave out "murder" or "rape" in their considerations.

And if you really want to know whether the University of Buffalo is just teeming with evil liberals, well, Google is your friend.

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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:42 am

Lord Foul wrote:the statement

"do not experience significant increases in any of the kinds of crime we examined."

so what did they look for.......

you could prove the same in rochdale if you avoided including kiddie fiddling

You could include Kiddie fiddling it wouldn't make a difference
plenty of Anlgo Peados about too.


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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:13 am

true veya, however as a proportion of the population of each sector of society the majority reside in one in particular

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:47 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:the statement

"do not experience significant increases in any of the kinds of crime we examined."

so what did they look for.......

you could prove the same in rochdale if you avoided including kiddie fiddling

You could include Kiddie fiddling it wouldn't make a difference
plenty of Anlgo Peados about too.


Sadly, that is true and the scum can be found in almost every sector of society as recent revelations have shown.

However "modern crimes" such as organised pick-pocketing (no need to quote Dickens at me; I am well aware of the historic Fagins of this world even though to mention that particular character puts me at risk of being accused of antiSemitism!), highly organised grooming of young and frequently underaged girls for serial sexual abuse and the illegal trafficking of immigrants for gang-organised slave labour and prostitution were hardly heard of before the upsurge in European free movement and massive increases in refugee, asylum seeker and economic migration that began largely in the closing years of twentieth century.
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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:52 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:the statement

"do not experience significant increases in any of the kinds of crime we examined."

so what did they look for.......

you could prove the same in rochdale if you avoided including kiddie fiddling

You could include Kiddie fiddling it wouldn't make a difference
plenty of Anlgo Peados about too.


Sadly, that is true and the scum can be found in almost every sector of society as recent revelations have shown.

However "modern crimes" such as organised pick-pocketing (no need to quote Dickens at me; I am well aware of the historic Fagins of this world even though to mention  that particular character puts me at risk of being accused of antiSemitism!), highly organised grooming of young and frequently underaged girls for serial sexual abuse and the illegal trafficking of immigrants for gang-organised slave labour and prostitution were hardly heard of before the upsurge in European free movement and massive increases in refugee, asylum seeker and economic migration that began largely in the closing years of twentieth century.

it's true a larger economic territory does allow the black market (like all the others) to expand.

But overall the crime rates haven't drastically increased, you have to balance it with the fact the 24hr media cycle means we hear more about crimes than people used too.


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Post by Vintage on Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:43 pm

You also need to take in to account how and which crimes are actually recorded as crimes these days, there's fiddling of figures aplenty, the authorities must employ nimble fingered accountants to handle the figures.

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:50 pm

Vintage wrote:You also need to take in to account how and which crimes are actually recorded as crimes these days, there's fiddling of figures aplenty, the authorities must employ nimble fingered accountants to handle the figures.

true you expect it to be higher, just because every little infraction is recorded now where in the old days many a young man got a clip around the ears from the coppers and let off with a warning.

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Political discussions about immigrants often include the claim that there is a relationship between immigration patterns and increased crime. However, results of a University at Buffalo-led study find no links between the two. In fact, immigration actually appears to be linked to reductions in some types of crimes, according to the findings.

"Our research shows strong and stable evidence that, on average, across U.S. metropolitan areas crime and immigration are not linked," said Robert Adelman, an associate professor of sociology at UB and the paper's lead author. "The results show that immigration does not increase assaults and, in fact, robberies, burglaries, larceny, and murder are lower in places where immigration levels are higher.

"The results are very clear."




Previous research, based on arrest and offense data, has shown that, overall, foreign-born individuals are less likely to commit crimes than native-born Americans, according to Adelman.

For the current study, the authors stepped back from the study of individual immigrants and instead explored whether larger scale immigration patterns in communities could be tied to increases in crime due to changes in cities, such as fewer economic opportunities or the claim that immigrants displace domestic workers from jobs.

The authors drew a sample of 200 metropolitan areas as defined by the U.S. Census Bureau and used census data and uniform crime reporting data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation for a 40-year period from 1970 to 2010.

"This is a study across time and across place and the evidence is clear," said Adelman. "We are not claiming that immigrants are never involved in crime. What we are explaining is that communities experiencing demographic change driven by immigration patterns do not experience significant increases in any of the kinds of crime we examined. And in many cases, crime was either stable or actually declined in communities that incorporated many immigrants."

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