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Post by Didge on Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:43 pm

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has been criticised after telling a girl in military uniform that she would be honoured if killed while fighting.

"If she's martyred, they'll lay a flag on her," he told the sobbing girl at a televised congress of his AK Party.

His supporters cheered "Chief! Take us to Afrin!", in reference to Turkey's operations against Kurdish fighters in Syria's northern Afrin region.

The speech has been described as "child abuse" and a glorification of death.

In the event, broadcast live on state television, the young girl dressed as a soldier seems to catch the attention of Mr Erdogan, who then invites her to the stage.

"Look what you see here! Girl, what are you doing here? We have our maroon berets here, but maroon berets never cry," he told her, referring to the beret worn by the Turkish Special Operations Forces.

"She has a Turkish flag in her pocket too... If she's martyred, they'll lay a flag on her, God willing," he said during the congress in the southern town of Kahramanmaras on Saturday.

"She is ready for everything, isn't she?" The girl replied: "Yes."

Mr Erdogan then kissed her face and let her go. The girl has not been identified and was not immediately clear why she was wearing a military uniform.



Users on Twitter have condemned Mr Erdogan's speech, with one comparing it to "child abuse".

Another comment read: "It's a shame, it's very bad. She's just a child, you don't wish her dead and you don't say 'God willing' for that!"

He has not yet responded to the criticism.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43196397

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Post by eddie on Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:12 pm

War is pushed down children’s throats every fucking day, in some way or another, in those countries.
War makes money. Until it stops doing that, then we may as well give up the war on fighting against war.

Money. Money. Money.

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Post by Maddog on Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:16 pm

eddie wrote:War is pushed down children’s throats every fucking day, in some way or another, in those countries.
War makes money. Until it stops doing that, then we may as well give up the war on fighting against war.

Money. Money. Money.

Maybe we can declare war on war. Wink

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Post by eddie on Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:17 pm

Maddog wrote:
eddie wrote:War is pushed down children’s throats every fucking day, in some way or another, in those countries.
War makes money. Until it stops doing that, then we may as well give up the war on fighting against war.

Money. Money. Money.

Maybe we can declare war on war.  Wink

No. That’s too complicated and contradictory and I hate both those things.

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Post by Didge on Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:57 pm

eddie wrote:War is pushed down children’s throats every fucking day, in some way or another, in those countries.
War makes money. Until it stops doing that, then we may as well give up the war on fighting against war.

Money. Money. Money.

That makes no sense.

Wars cost a nation countless money and are not economially viable

This needs to be taken in to the context it is

Islamic martydom, where children and not just here are taught to die in the cause of Allah

That is the point you should be taking from this and how such teaching is allowed, when its clearly child abuse..


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Post by eddie on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:00 pm

Can you follow me round tonight and tell me what other points I should be taking from what I read?

I made my post, I stick by it. Not sure I have much else to contribute.

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Post by Didge on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:07 pm

eddie wrote:Can you follow me round tonight and tell me what other points I should be taking from what I read?

I made my post, I stick by it. Not sure I have much else to contribute.

So I am not allowed to comment on posts to a thread I started?

Paranoid much?

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Post by eddie on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:15 pm

One could never accuse me of being paranoid, to be fair. I rarely think there’s much to worry about in regard what others think of me.

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Post by Didge on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:17 pm

eddie wrote:One could never accuse me of being paranoid, to be fair. I rarely think there’s much to worry about in regard what others think of me.


So what is wrong in me replying to your posts?


Am I or am I not allowed to counter views made by people on this forum?

Yes or no?

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Post by eddie on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:20 pm

“That is the point you should be taking from this”
That’s what you said.

I don’t think you should tell me what points I should be taking.

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Post by Didge on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:21 pm

eddie wrote:“That is the point you should be taking from this”
That’s what you said.

I don’t think you should tell me what points I should be taking.


Why not?

Is it possible you have missed the main problem here?

Is it wrong to point that out?

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Post by eddie on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:24 pm

It’s not wrong of you to point it out, it’s your perogative, and it’s a free speech forum.
I never said it was wrong, I implied heavily that I didn’t much like it.


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Post by Maddog on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:34 pm

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:War is pushed down children’s throats every fucking day, in some way or another, in those countries.
War makes money. Until it stops doing that, then we may as well give up the war on fighting against war.

Money. Money. Money.

That makes no sense.

Wars cost a nation countless money and are not economially viable

This needs to be taken in to the context it is

Islamic martydom, where children and not just here are taught to die in the cause of Allah

That is the point you should be taking from this and how such teaching is allowed, when its clearly child abuse..


War, like all government spending, profits someone. I'm not saying governments only wage war for the profit of their cronies, because many countries don't have their own arms manufacturers, but there is no doubt that war is in the best interest of defense contractors.

For something that's not economically viable, there sure is a lot of it in one region of the world.

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Post by Didge on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:35 pm

eddie wrote:It’s not wrong of you to point it out, it’s your perogative, and it’s a free speech forum.
I never said it was wrong, I implied heavily that I didn’t much like it.  



So what you are saying is what you normally do. Place your hands over your ears and go:
"la la la, I m not listening"

No worries, closed minded as seen

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Post by Didge on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:36 pm

Maddog wrote:
Didge wrote:

That makes no sense.

Wars cost a nation countless money and are not economially viable

This needs to be taken in to the context it is

Islamic martydom, where children and not just here are taught to die in the cause of Allah

That is the point you should be taking from this and how such teaching is allowed, when its clearly child abuse..


War, like all government spending, profits someone. I'm not saying governments only wage war for the profit of their cronies, because many countries don't have their own arms manufacturers, but there is no doubt that war is in the best interest of defense contractors.

For something that's not economically viable, there sure is a lot of it in one region of the world.      


Does it profit the nation?

How many wars have made a profit for a nation?

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Post by Maddog on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:40 pm

Didge wrote:
Maddog wrote:

War, like all government spending, profits someone. I'm not saying governments only wage war for the profit of their cronies, because many countries don't have their own arms manufacturers, but there is no doubt that war is in the best interest of defense contractors.

For something that's not economically viable, there sure is a lot of it in one region of the world.      


Does it profit the nation?

How many wars have made a profit for a nation?

No, it creates debt usually. But so does a lot of government spending and those doing the spending don't seem very worried about it. Guess that's what happens when your spending other people's money.

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Post by eddie on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:46 pm

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:It’s not wrong of you to point it out, it’s your perogative, and it’s a free speech forum.
I never said it was wrong, I implied heavily that I didn’t much like it.  



So what you are saying is what you normally do. Place your hands over your ears and go:
"la la la, I m not listening"

No worries, closed minded as seen
p

Yeah, it’s possible I bit more than I might normally - on this thread I may have overreacted.
I am not in a great mood to be fair.

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Post by Didge on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:48 pm

Maddog wrote:
Didge wrote:


Does it profit the nation?

How many wars have made a profit for a nation?

No, it creates debt usually. But so does a lot of government spending and those doing the spending don't seem very worried about it. Guess that's what happens when your spending other people's money.  


So its clearly not something finnacially motivated by a government?

Thats is not its main reasoning and as seen here, what is?

martydom?

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Post by Didge on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:49 pm

eddie wrote:
Didge wrote:


So what you are saying is what you normally do. Place your hands over your ears and go:
"la la la, I m not listening"

No worries, closed minded as seen
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Yeah, it’s possible I bit more than I might normally - on this thread I may have overreacted.
I am not in a great mood to be fair.


Life is short Eddie, what ever it is bothering you, put behind you, live for the now.

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Post by eddie on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:54 pm

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:
Didge wrote:


So what you are saying is what you normally do. Place your hands over your ears and go:
"la la la, I m not listening"

No worries, closed minded as seen
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Yeah, it’s possible I bit more than I might normally - on this thread I may have overreacted.
I am not in a great mood to be fair.


Live is short Eddie, what ever it is bothering you, put behind you, live for the now.

Oh yeah I know that. My moods are fleeting mostly.
I just like to admit when I am not necessarily right. It’s important to me.

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Post by Didge on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:58 pm

eddie wrote:
Didge wrote:


Live is short Eddie, what ever it is bothering you, put behind you, live for the now.

Oh yeah I know that.  My moods are fleeting mostly.
I just like to admit when I am not necessarily right. It’s important to me.


I dont discount how personally you are honest in how you are

Never have, I will question honesty on views on debate, which as seen can be effected, even with me with emotions

The first step is recognizing something is not right. Dont allow it to vester and become many more problems.

Its simple not worth it and you are at times like me Eddie, very stubborn

Not knocking either.

Deep breath in and out and see what ever it is that is bothering you without conlicting emotions

Then you will be able to resolve what ever it is

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Post by eddie on Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:07 pm

True words Mr Didge.

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