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Post by Angry Andy on Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:16 am

ffs why not just give the kids bullet proof vests as school uniform and give them pistols. And give the trachers machine guns and grenades.

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Post by Maddog on Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:31 am

Angry Andy wrote:ffs why not just give the kids bullet proof vests as school uniform and give them pistols. And give the trachers machine guns and grenades.

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I think Andy and Trump could share a room in the same nut house.

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Post by nicko on Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:39 am

I like the idea of giving certain Teachers guns, after medical checks and intensive training.
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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:20 pm

nicko wrote:
I like the idea of giving certain Teachers guns,  after medical checks and intensive training.

Smile

Why not employ a couple of suitably-trained and qualified security guards ???

Oh, that's right -- some of the more at-risk schools in the USA have already been doing that for a good while, already !!!

"Only in the USA.."

P.S, Most people would be better off in Andy's mental hospital, than whatever nut house DopeyDawg resides in.

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Post by nicko on Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:05 pm

Because Security Guards would stand out a mile, be the first persons "taken out"!
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Post by Maddog on Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:27 pm

The Israelis do a pretty good job of guarding their schools. From what I can gather, only teachers in the settlements are armed, but all schools have some sort of security, usually military.

Texas allows for school districts to make their own decisions regarding armed teachers. A few districts have them. I think their identity is kept secret. What isn't a secret is the fact that they are armed. The schools have large signs telling everyone that they will be met with armed resistance if you try to harm a student.

But Trumps idea is never going to fly in most districts around the country. Teachers and administrators are not going to want guns on their campus.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:52 pm

nicko wrote:I like the idea of giving certain Teachers guns,  after medical checks and intensive training.

I was a teacher for half of my life.  If you were to ask me to carry a lethal weapon, I would need, oh, say, and additional $1-million/year over and above my normal salary.  There are important psychic costs and responsibilities associated with taking a life.

There are no good guys/bad guys, such that you choose to whom to give the gun.  All you would do is arm the next shooter, who turns out to be a disgruntled teacher angry at the principal. At least academy police officers receive training that impress upon them practices and a moral code. However, even cops are not always the good guys, as we see in the Black Lives Matter shootings.


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Post by Maddog on Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:00 pm

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nicko wrote:I like the idea of giving certain Teachers guns,  after medical checks and intensive training.

I was a teacher for half of my life.  If you were to ask me to carry a lethal weapon, I would need, oh, say, and additional $1-million/year over and above my normal salary.  There are important psychic costs and responsibilities associated with taking a life.

There are no good guys/bad guys, such that you choose to whom to give the gun.  All you would do is arm the next shooter, who turns out to be a disgruntled teacher angry at the principal.

Yeah, arming you would be a bad idea.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:04 pm

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I was a teacher for half of my life.  If you were to ask me to carry a lethal weapon, I would need, oh, say, and additional $1-million/year over and above my normal salary.  There are important psychic costs and responsibilities associated with taking a life.

There are no good guys/bad guys, such that you choose to whom to give the gun.  All you would do is arm the next shooter, who turns out to be a disgruntled teacher angry at the principal.

Yeah, arming you would be a bad idea.  

Just because I'm tough and answer back, doesn't make me a candidate. In fact, one theory has it that these are weaklings, disgusted with themselves for being unable to push back.

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Post by Maddog on Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:08 pm

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Yeah, arming you would be a bad idea.  

Just because I'm tough and answer back, doesn't make me a candidate.  In fact, one theory has it that these are weaklings, disgusted with themselves for being unable to push back.

No one who doesn't want to carry a gun should ever be forced to. Compound that with your need for a million dollars to carry one to defend students, and you're hardly a prime candidate for an effective armed deterrent.

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Post by Maddog on Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:10 pm

Let's put it this way. Volunteers are more effective in the military than conscripts.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:31 pm

Maddog wrote:
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Just because I'm tough and answer back, doesn't make me a candidate.  In fact, one theory has it that these are weaklings, disgusted with themselves for being unable to push back.

No one who doesn't want to carry a gun should ever be forced to. Compound that with your need for a million dollars to carry one to defend students, and you're hardly a prime candidate for an effective armed deterrent.

Who cares? It's capitalism. Put it out there that it's the going rate, and watch the market rise. Same as professional athletes.

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Post by Maddog on Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:52 pm

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No one who doesn't want to carry a gun should ever be forced to. Compound that with your need for a million dollars to carry one to defend students, and you're hardly a prime candidate for an effective armed deterrent.

Who cares?  It's capitalism.  Put it out there that it's the going rate, and watch the market rise.  Same as professional athletes.

Yes it is. And since you're hardly worth that figure, others will get the job. Wink

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:47 pm

Maddog wrote:
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Who cares?  It's capitalism.  Put it out there that it's the going rate, and watch the market rise.  Same as professional athletes.

Yes it is.  And since you're hardly worth that figure, others will get the job. Wink

My point exactly!

The idea will fail because people who sign up to teach, don't want to end up killing their students. It's counterintuitive. I admit that ex-soldiers have experience in killing babies, but by gaining employment in more helpful ways they show they don't want to pursue that anymore.

Hence, my theory that they should raise the price if the school wants them to do distasteful things.

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Post by nicko on Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:06 pm

"Ex soldiers have experience of killing Babies", your a geranium !
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Post by Maddog on Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:08 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Yes it is.  And since you're hardly worth that figure, others will get the job. Wink

My point exactly!

The idea will fail because people who sign up to teach, don't want to end up killing their students.  It's counterintuitive.  I admit that ex-soldiers have experience in killing babies, but by gaining employment in more helpful ways they show they don't want to pursue that anymore.

Hence, my theory that they should raise the price if the school wants them to do distasteful things.

How much do volunteer fireman make and is there any risk involved?

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:13 pm

Maddog wrote:
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My point exactly!

The idea will fail because people who sign up to teach, don't want to end up killing their students.  It's counterintuitive.  I admit that ex-soldiers have experience in killing babies, but by gaining employment in more helpful ways they show they don't want to pursue that anymore.

Hence, my theory that they should raise the price if the school wants them to do distasteful things.

How much do volunteer fireman make and is there any risk involved?

They chose their life. So did cops. More importantly, they got, and are getting on-going training. It seems to me that a teacher chose the opposite life.

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:33 pm

what a fucked up situation where it is even being considered asking educators to arm themselves.

If only there was some Amendment that could be amended that would fix the problems and stop all the shootings.
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