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   WASHINGTON — The day after a shooter killed 17 people at a Florida high school, Failing Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon offered comforting words — for gun owners.

   "We are committed to working with state and local leaders to help secure our schools and tackle the difficult issue of mental health," Trump said in brief remarks at the White House. "It is not enough to simply take actions that make us feel like we are making a difference. We must actually make that difference."

   Translation: Your guns are safe.
   "That's very encouraging that he's not mounting up with the anti-Second Amendment posse," said Larry Pratt, executive director emeritus of the Gun Owners of America, an advocacy group based in Virginia. "The response from gun owners will be principally that he didn't say the kind of things Hillary Clinton would have said had she been president and the way Barack Obama reacted to other situations like this."

   No modern American president has had a closer bond with gun owners than Trump, who won 62 percent of their votes in 2016, then promised the National Rifle Association in April 2017 that he would "never, ever infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms."

   And on Thursday, against the backdrop of calls for tighter gun restrictions from Democrats, some Republicans and several students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Parkland, Florida — where a former student gunned down 17 people on Wednesday — Trump signaled again that his focus is on the mental state of shooters, not the weapons they use to commit their crimes.

   He didn't mention guns at all.

   "The fact that the president didn't talk about rifles today ... that was good," said Chris Waltz, president and CEO of AR-15 Gun Owners of America, a Warner Robbins, Ga.-based company that sells semi-automatic rifles and claims a community of enthusiasts numbering more than 500,000. "He's been, so far, the most outspoken president on gun issues, as far as supporting the Second Amendment."

   The aftermath of any mass shooting is an anxious time for gun-rights groups, many of which worry that sentiment on Capitol Hill or in the administration could shift in response.
   "We’re always concerned after a tragedy that the response will be either poor, misguided or just emotional," said Dudley Brown, president of the National Association for Gun Rights.

   In particular, he said he was discomfited by Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin's response to a question from Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., at a House Ways and Means Committee hearing Thursday.

   "I will say personally, I think the gun violence — it's a tragedy what we've seen yesterday, and I'd urge Congress to look at these issues," Mnuchin said.

   While Mnuchin didn't go so far as to back any particular action, the words struck Brown as "intimating gun control" and a potential waver in the administration's stance.

   "Our concern is the canary in the coal mine," he said.

   For years, gun control advocates — most of them Democrats — have engaged in futile and frustrating efforts to enact new measures. Now, in the wake of Thursday's massacre they are escalating their rhetoric again, perhaps in hopes of putting more public pressure on Republican lawmakers to join them.

   "If you are not working today to try to fix this, to try to stop these shootings, then you're an accomplice," Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., a leading voice in favor of tightening gun laws, said Thursday.

   Many gun owners believe Murphy's answer is the wrong one. Rather than focusing on how to crack down on guns, they say, the government should do more to ensure that people with mental health problems don't have access to weapons and that schools are more secure.

   And though the only gun policy-related law Trump has signed so far has been a measure repealing an Obama-era rule that made it more difficult for those with mental illnesses to purchase guns, those are the topics he said he would focus on.

   Some gun-rights advocates say schools are soft targets for shooters because law-abiding citizens aren't allowed to pack weapons on their grounds. In their view, elected officials should roll back laws that ban guns on campuses because they are counterproductive.

   "You have to conclude these gun free zones are murder magnets," Pratt said. "Anybody legally carrying should be able to be on school property, the same as they can be in a supermarket or an automobile lot."

   Trump has endorsed a repeal of the federal gun-free school zones law in the past, and it could be that he sees such action as part of his promise to increase safety at schools.

   With Republicans in control of both chambers of Congress — and Democrats holding enough seats to sustain a filibuster in the Senate — it seems highly unlikely that Congress will send Trump any major change to gun laws anytime soon.

   On Thursday, gun-rights advocates praised Trump's expressions of sympathy for the victims, their families and survivors of the shooting. They were reassured by what he's said in the past — and what he didn't say at the White House — about his universe of solutions for preventing the next deadly attack.

   "I’m confident that the president meant what he said: that he’s not going to pursue a potential solution that’s going to infringe on our constitutional rights," said David Bozell, president of the conservative group For America. "Gun owners like myself, we want the ability to defend our families against bad guys."

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:43 am

I think If US students didn't have to worry so much about gun violence in schools they could learn some scientific method Cool Cool Cool Cool
Like Comparison and evaluation for solutions, which Of course when Applied to Gun deaths and mass shootings the solutions is Obvious based on the Many nations that have successfully done that, to Make a Difference you remove most guns from society.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:50 am

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Advocacy group  "Gun Owners of Amerika",  (Inc. In Delaware, no doubt..).

Most likely a newish fringe group of more extreme "open carry"/"concealed carry" fruit loops who believe that the mainstream organisations such as the NRA or the sporting shooters clubs don't go anywhere near far enough in lobbying to protect their "God-given Constitutional rights" to shoot at whatever they feel like..

Probably got someone like Eric Trump or Don Trump Jr to be their patron, as well.

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Post by eddie on Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:44 pm

What happened to gun laws when Obama was president?

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Post by Lurker on Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:18 pm

eddie wrote:What happened to gun laws when Obama was president?

The NRA is more powerful than any president or administration.

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Post by eddie on Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:03 am

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eddie wrote:What happened to gun laws when Obama was president?

The NRA is more powerful than any president or administration.

Ah ok. So therefore, Trump can’t do anything about guns then, is that right?

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eddie wrote:
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The NRA is more powerful than any president or administration.

Ah ok. So therefore, Trump can’t do anything about guns then, is that right?

He could, but he won't. He's bought and paid for by the NRA.

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Post by Cass on Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:35 am

eddie wrote:
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The NRA is more powerful than any president or administration.

Ah ok. So therefore, Trump can’t do anything about guns then, is that right?

He signed away a law that required stricter background checks for mentally ill people getting access to guns because President Obama’s did it. He won’t do anything because the NRA has bought the soul of pretty much all of the GOP.


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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:05 am

What a Face

The USA has over 315 million citizens...

The NRA has just over 4 million members..

Gun groups like the association in the o/p would only count their memberships in thousands.

Those gun owners' and manufacturers' lobby groups have way too much influence over American life and governance, in relation to their actual numbers..

Obviously it pays to own politicians and form strategic alliances in cases like this...


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Post by Original Quill on Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:07 am

eddie wrote:What happened to gun laws when Obama was president?

Well, apropos of this case, Dr. Obama issued EOs making it more difficult for the mentally ill to buy guns.  And, in 2016...

CNN wrote:In addition to expanding and bolstering the background check system to cover sales that take place online and at gun shows, Obama said the administration will provide more funding for mental health treatment, FBI staff and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives agents.


Alas, Trump has cancelled those measures...measures to prevent the mentally ill from purchasing guns, and incredibly, measures that would treat the mentally ill.  It was a part of the efforts to make up for the incredible short-fall created by the tax cuts for the rich last year. Congratulations rich people, you just murdered 17 more children.

All presidents have tied hands?  Not this president.  His hands untie all the knots for the NRA.

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Post by Maddog on Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:38 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:What a Face

The USA has over 315 million citizens...

The NRA has just over 4 million members..

Gun groups like the association in the o/p would only count their memberships in thousands.

Those gun owners' and manufacturers' lobby groups have way too much influence over American life and governance, in relation to their actual numbers..

Obviously it pays to own politicians and form strategic alliances in cases like this...

I'm a gun owner but not a member of the NRA. My influence is basically one vote. Is that OK or should gun owners lose that right too? Wink

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:55 am

Isn't it a US constitutional right to "bear arms"?

I'm not saying that nothing should be done in response to incidents like this; I am simply wondering just how difficult it would be to reverse the "right."
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Post by Original Quill on Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:14 am

Fred Moletrousers wrote:Isn't it a US constitutional right to "bear arms"?

I'm not saying that nothing should be done in response to incidents like this; I am simply wondering just how difficult it would be to reverse the "right."

I don't know, Fred.  How difficult would it be to bring 17 dead children back to life?  The US has about 4% of the world's population, yet it has over 55% of the worlds non-military guns, and some 66% of these civilian massacres.

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Fred Moletrousers wrote:Isn't it a US constitutional right to "bear arms"?

I'm not saying that nothing should be done in response to incidents like this; I am simply wondering just how difficult it would be to reverse the "right."

I don't know, Fred.  How difficult would it be to bring 17 dead children back to life?  The US has about 4% of the world's population, yet it has over 55% of the worlds non-military guns, and some 66% of these civilian massacres.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:20 am

Long live the Pacific States of America. The more that is revealed as abnormal in the United States, the more appealing is a new country.

The non-normal is the new normal.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:18 am

Original Quill wrote:Long live the Pacific States of America.  The more that is revealed as abnormal in the United States, the more appealing is a new country.

The non-normal is the new normal.

Or, remember when people used to co-exist peacefully, for the most part? I think secession is giving up on your fellow man, man.

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Original Quill wrote:Long live the Pacific States of America.  The more that is revealed as abnormal in the United States, the more appealing is a new country.

The non-normal is the new normal.

Or, remember when people used to co-exist peacefully, for the most part?

That's what is gone.  That's why the United States no longer works.

Ben wrote:I think secession is giving up on your fellow man, man.

No, just someone who is long gone.  And his replacement is not working out.

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Original Quill wrote:Long live the Pacific States of America.  The more that is revealed as abnormal in the United States, the more appealing is a new country.

The non-normal is the new normal.

Or, remember when people used to co-exist peacefully, for the most part?

That's what is gone.  That's why the United States no longer works.

Ben wrote:I think secession is giving up on your fellow man, man.

No, just someone who is long gone.  And his replacement is not working out.

Yeah, but we'll fix that. That's we have these little things I like to call "elections."

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:34 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
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That's what is gone.  That's why the United States no longer works.



No, just someone who is long gone.  And his replacement is not working out.

Yeah, but we'll fix that. That's we have these little things I like to call "elections."

Ben, we had one of those in 2016. How'd that work for yout?

This is the age of new normal. Normal is that elections are rigged by Russians, with back-up by the Republican Party. We are (I should say, 'they are') not going to fix anything.

Sometimes the surgeon has to completely remove the organ. We, the most populous state, the wealthiest state, the most responsible and intelligent state, must surgically remove the cancer so that we may carry on the spirit and tradition of the New World.

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Post by Lurker on Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:56 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:Isn't it a US constitutional right to "bear arms"?

I'm not saying that nothing should be done in response to incidents like this; I am simply wondering just how difficult it would be to reverse the "right."

They meant "bare" arms. It's a constitutional right to wear short sleeve shirts. They made a typo in the Constitution. Wink

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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:17 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:Isn't it a US constitutional right to "bear arms"?

I'm not saying that nothing should be done in response to incidents like this; I am simply wondering just how difficult it would be to reverse the "right."

they could just define 'arms' as those at the time of the constitution Cool Cool Cool

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Post by Maddog on Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:52 pm

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Fred Moletrousers wrote:Isn't it a US constitutional right to "bear arms"?

I'm not saying that nothing should be done in response to incidents like this; I am simply wondering just how difficult it would be to reverse the "right."

they could just define 'arms' as those at the time of the constitution Cool Cool Cool

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And define press as things written on paper.

For 225 years, the definition of arms has changed with the times. Much like freedom of speech applies to the internet.

The solution you are looking for is overturning the second amendment.

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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:55 pm

Yes, that would be more sensible Cool

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Post by Maddog on Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:59 pm

veya_victaous wrote:Yes, that would be more sensible Cool

It's a pretty straightforward process. Are you going to come over and help confiscate them?

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:42 pm

Idea

I saw Trump avoiding the issue again, on a news report tonight...

Said his administration was concentrating on priority business  (my paraphrasing..);  and these mass shootings don't register on his offices priorities..

Later on, vice-fuckup pence said that school shootings aren't a gun issue, but that the problem is with mental health services  --  a good look for an administration in the middle of dismantling national health services  !


Meanwhile, American school students themselves are organising the latest gun control protests and marches across the country;  starting yesterday at ground zero..

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/02/17/students-teachers-planning-nationwide-walkout-protest-gun-control-inaction-students-fed-up-they-plan/348752002/

http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/17/us-students-plan-national-school-walkout-over-lack-of-gun-control-laws-7320978/

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/florida-school-shooting-gun-control-rally-1.4540697
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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:35 am

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veya_victaous wrote:Yes, that would be more sensible Cool

It's a pretty straightforward process. Are you going to come over and help confiscate them?  

6 months Amnesty for voluntary surrendering of arms ...... then drone strikes Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

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It's a pretty straightforward process. Are you going to come over and help confiscate them?  

6 months Amnesty for voluntary surrendering of arms ...... then drone strikes Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

Surrendering? Probably going to need to least offer some money for what are very expensive tools.


We are not Australia. You have made it quite clear over and over that Americans are different. Don't forget that. Wink

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:15 am

Maddog wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Maddog wrote:

It's a pretty straightforward process. Are you going to come over and help confiscate them?  

6 months Amnesty for voluntary surrendering of arms ...... then drone strikes Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

Surrendering? Probably going to need to least offer some money for what are very expensive tools.  


We are not Australia.  You have made it quite clear over and over that Americans are different.  Don't forget that.  Wink

Yep, treat them like Afghani's
that should fix'em Cool Cool Cool

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:46 pm

Maddog wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

6 months Amnesty for voluntary surrendering of arms ...... then drone strikes Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

Surrendering? Probably going to need to least offer some money for what are very expensive tools.  


We are not Australia.  You have made it quite clear over and over that Americans are different.  Don't forget that.  Wink

Idea

They did offer $$compensation$$ during the amnesty hand-ins down here...

However, I believe it only averaged somewhere between $400 and $500 for each registered and previously-legal weapon;  meaning that some collectors would have lost $$thousands$$..

The "amnesty" part of the buyback/hand-in deal allowed for unregistered inherited and neglected weapons to be surrendered at the same time.

Those collectors who still want to keep certain prohibited and restricted weapons, usually military and/or historical weapons, can get special collectors permits (in addition to a regular shooters licence), make those weapons inoperable (not simply removing parts, but such things as blocking barrels and destroying the firing mechanism..) and keeping them in a secure place.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:03 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Surrendering? Probably going to need to least offer some money for what are very expensive tools.  


We are not Australia.  You have made it quite clear over and over that Americans are different.  Don't forget that.  Wink

Idea

They did offer $$compensation$$ during the amnesty hand-ins down here...

However, I believe it only averaged somewhere between $400 and $500 for each registered and previously-legal weapon;  meaning that some collectors would have lost $$thousands$$..

The "amnesty" part of the buyback/hand-in deal allowed for unregistered inherited and neglected weapons to be surrendered at the same time.

Those collectors who still want to keep certain prohibited and restricted weapons, usually military and/or historical weapons, can get special collectors permits (in addition to a regular shooters licence), make those weapons inoperable (not simply removing parts, but such things as blocking barrels and destroying the firing mechanism..) and keeping them in a secure place.

And for those that don't turn them in?

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Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:57 am

Court documents say a 29-year-old woman woke up just before 6 a.m. on Sunday and noticed someone moving about her living room. They say she then woke her 33-year-old boyfriend who grabbed his Glock 26 and confronted Smith. Smith then said he broke in to escape the rain.

It was a rainy Sunday morning, but court documents say the woman also saw Smith moving in circles and checking out a living room TV.

Court documents say the homeowners didn’t know Smith, who was wanted for six unrelated active warrants.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/30/intruder-held-at-gunpoint-blames-rain-for-break-in/

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Maddog wrote:Court documents say a 29-year-old woman woke up just before 6 a.m. on Sunday and noticed someone moving about her living room. They say she then woke her 33-year-old boyfriend who grabbed his Glock 26 and confronted Smith. Smith then said he broke in to escape the rain.

It was a rainy Sunday morning, but court documents say the woman also saw Smith moving in circles and checking out a living room TV.

Court documents say the homeowners didn’t know Smith, who was wanted for six unrelated active warrants.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/30/intruder-held-at-gunpoint-blames-rain-for-break-in/

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Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:Court documents say a 29-year-old woman woke up just before 6 a.m. on Sunday and noticed someone moving about her living room. They say she then woke her 33-year-old boyfriend who grabbed his Glock 26 and confronted Smith. Smith then said he broke in to escape the rain.

It was a rainy Sunday morning, but court documents say the woman also saw Smith moving in circles and checking out a living room TV.

Court documents say the homeowners didn’t know Smith, who was wanted for six unrelated active warrants.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/30/intruder-held-at-gunpoint-blames-rain-for-break-in/

You can't generalize from specifics.

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. —
Chattanooga police say a man was shot after he attempted to break into a home on Howell road.

Police say the incident happened just before 11:30 p.m. Saturday.

Officers were called to a home at the 4300 block of Howell Road after receiving a call for a home invasion.


When they arrived, police found the victims inside the home.

Neither of them had been injured.

Officers say the suspect, 21-year-old Damean Jones, entered the home with a gun.

Shots were fired at the suspect and he ran away from the home.

A short time after the attempted home invasion, police received a call that a man had arrived at a local hospital with multiple gunshot wounds.

Police determined the man in the hospital, Damean Jones, had attempted the home invasion.

Jones will be charged with aggravated assault and aggravated batter.

http://newschannel9.com/news/local/police-suspect-shot-after-failed-home-invasion

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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:30 am

Maddog wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Surrendering? Probably going to need to least offer some money for what are very expensive tools.  


We are not Australia.  You have made it quite clear over and over that Americans are different.  Don't forget that.  Wink

Idea

They did offer $$compensation$$ during the amnesty hand-ins down here...

However, I believe it only averaged somewhere between $400 and $500 for each registered and previously-legal weapon;  meaning that some collectors would have lost $$thousands$$..

The "amnesty" part of the buyback/hand-in deal allowed for unregistered inherited and neglected weapons to be surrendered at the same time.

Those collectors who still want to keep certain prohibited and restricted weapons, usually military and/or historical weapons, can get special collectors permits (in addition to a regular shooters licence), make those weapons inoperable (not simply removing parts, but such things as blocking barrels and destroying the firing mechanism..) and keeping them in a secure place.

And for those that don't turn them in?

those that don't turn them in are criminals
what do police do to Criminals ?


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veya_victaous wrote:
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And for those that don't turn them in?

those that don't turn them in are criminals
what do police do to Criminals ?


Shoot them.

So much for ending gun violence. Cool

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Maddog wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Maddog wrote:

And for those that don't turn them in?

those that don't turn them in are criminals
what do police do to Criminals ?


Shoot them.

So much for ending gun violence. Cool

Can't make an omelette with out breaking some eggs

And Anyone shooting at Police Should NEVER have been allowed a gun in the first place,
highlighting how crazily stupid the current situation is Wink

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Maddog wrote:

Shoot them.

So much for ending gun violence. Cool

Can't make an omelette with out breaking some eggs

And Anyone shooting at Police Should NEVER have been allowed a gun in the first place,
highlighting how crazily stupid the current situation is Wink

That's what the Brits told us 245 years ago. tongue

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exactly 245 years ago, (before the advent of Civilized nations a.k.a. the founding of Australia and NZ Cool Cool Cool tongue tongue tongue )

Isn't it time you got over it Suspect Suspect Suspect

And now it is American cops so no 'Foreign power' to justify violence against gov't officials. Unless of course your calling for Armed Revolution Wink

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veya_victaous wrote:exactly 245 years ago, (before the advent of Civilized nations a.k.a. the founding of Australia and NZ Cool Cool Cool tongue tongue tongue  )

Isn't it time you got over it Suspect Suspect Suspect

And now it is American cops so no 'Foreign power' to justify violence against gov't officials. Unless of course your calling for Armed Revolution  Wink

They weren't a foreign power 245 years ago.

Everyone involved was a royal subject.

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Veya, you really, really don't understand Americans.

What works in many places, will not work here. We are not European, and we have not been British subjects for over 200 years.

Also, you have a strange obsession with what goes on here. It's borderline creepy.

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Maddog wrote:Veya, you really, really don't understand Americans.

What works in many places, will not work here. We are not European, and we have not been British subjects for over 200 years.

Also, you have a strange obsession with what goes on here. It's borderline creepy.  

Or I DO understand Americans but don't swallow the Propaganda about the land of the free when it's the home of the slave Wink

DO YOU understand Americans?
Probably not it seems
You DO understand that American TV makes up about 60%-70% of TV in Australia? (not by our choice either)
You do understand that due to alliance and trade deals that the USA has a direct effect on Australia and the world?
You do Understand that the US has spent Decades working towards Cultural Dominance that has created a world which is highly educated in American Culture and Psyche?


And DRONES will work just fine Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
Watch Jim Jefferies, and note as a Aussie He also See the OBVIOUS BULLSHIT in the US gun debate and any argument for them Beyond "You like them and it's your hobby" geek

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Suspect

Last year, the Trump administration virtually sold the Pentagon to Monsanto (or another way to look at it, they have effectively put Monsanto into bed with the Pentagon..).

More to come on this interesting turn of events..

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Post by Andy on Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:18 pm

Maddog wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

6 months Amnesty for voluntary surrendering of arms ...... then drone strikes Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

Surrendering? Probably going to need to least offer some money for what are very expensive tools.  


We are not Australia.  You have made it quite clear over and over that Americans are different.  Don't forget that.  Wink

Fucking right Americans are different. Most right wingers worldwide are just selfish and plain wrong.
American right wingers are warped and fucking insane.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:07 am

Angry Andy wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Surrendering? Probably going to need to least offer some money for what are very expensive tools.  


We are not Australia.  You have made it quite clear over and over that Americans are different.  Don't forget that.  Wink

Fucking right Americans are different.  Most right wingers worldwide are just selfish and plain wrong.
American right wingers are warped and fucking insane.

Yes Andy. The country is crazy. Just write us off as a failed experiment and relax. It will help your blood pressure.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:08 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Maddog wrote:Veya, you really, really don't understand Americans.

What works in many places, will not work here. We are not European, and we have not been British subjects for over 200 years.

Also, you have a strange obsession with what goes on here. It's borderline creepy.  

Or I DO understand Americans but don't swallow the Propaganda about the land of the free when it's the home of the slave Wink

DO YOU understand Americans?
Probably not it seems
You DO understand that American TV makes up about 60%-70% of TV in Australia? (not by our choice either)
You do understand that due to alliance and trade deals that the USA has a direct effect on Australia and the world?
You do Understand that the US has spent Decades working towards Cultural Dominance that has created a world which is highly educated in American Culture and Psyche?


And DRONES will work just fine Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
Watch Jim Jefferies, and note as a Aussie He also See the OBVIOUS BULLSHIT in the US gun debate and any argument for them Beyond "You like them and it's your hobby"  geek
 

Oh. You have a TV?

My bad. Wink

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Post by eddie on Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:02 am

Maddog wrote:Veya, you really, really don't understand Americans.

What works in many places, will not work here. We are not European, and we have not been British subjects for over 200 years.

Also, you have a strange obsession with what goes on here. It's borderline creepy.  

To be honest, I find people going on about couture they don’t live in, immensely ignorant and irritating. I don’t care how many media sources people read or how many qualifications they have, you cannot know a place until you live there.

A lot of posters base their knowledge on books and old-time beliefs and articles.
Me, not so much. I like to use experience as my guide and not only read one publication and think that’s the oracle.

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eddie wrote:
Maddog wrote:Veya, you really, really don't understand Americans.

What works in many places, will not work here. We are not European, and we have not been British subjects for over 200 years.

Also, you have a strange obsession with what goes on here. It's borderline creepy.  

To be honest, I find people going on about couture they don’t live in, immensely ignorant and irritating. I don’t care how many media sources people read or how many qualifications they have, you cannot know a place until you live there.

A lot of posters base their knowledge on books and old-time beliefs and articles.
Me, not so much.  I like to use experience as my guide and not only read one publication and think that’s the oracle.

Well, now you are bringing up Claude Levi-Strauss and his theory of structural/functional methodology in anthropology.  It's an interesting dichotomy: the researcher can go live within a culture (functionalism) and know the culture from within, but lose his awareness of timeless points by which all cultures can be compared; or, he can stand apart from the culture (structuralism), and maintain his objectivity, but perhaps be less sensitive to the nuances of the culture.

So, eds, you are a functionalist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_L%C3%A9vi-Strauss

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eddie wrote:
Maddog wrote:Veya, you really, really don't understand Americans.

What works in many places, will not work here. We are not European, and we have not been British subjects for over 200 years.

Also, you have a strange obsession with what goes on here. It's borderline creepy.  

To be honest, I find people going on about couture they don’t live in, immensely ignorant and irritating. I don’t care how many media sources people read or how many qualifications they have, you cannot know a place until you live there.

A lot of posters base their knowledge on books and old-time beliefs and articles.
Me, not so much.  I like to use experience as my guide and not only read one publication and think that’s the oracle.

And you might see me tease others about their cultures, but I don't get too intense about judging them.

It's like judging a guy because you don't like his old lady. If she makes him happy, so be it.

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:05 am

Original Quill wrote:
eddie wrote:
Maddog wrote:Veya, you really, really don't understand Americans.

What works in many places, will not work here. We are not European, and we have not been British subjects for over 200 years.

Also, you have a strange obsession with what goes on here. It's borderline creepy.  

To be honest, I find people going on about couture they don’t live in, immensely ignorant and irritating. I don’t care how many media sources people read or how many qualifications they have, you cannot know a place until you live there.

A lot of posters base their knowledge on books and old-time beliefs and articles.
Me, not so much.  I like to use experience as my guide and not only read one publication and think that’s the oracle.

Well, now you are bringing up Claude Levi-Strauss and his theory of structural/functional methodology in anthropology.  It's an interesting dichotomy: the researcher can go live within a culture (functionalism) and know the culture from within, but lose his awareness of timeless points by which all cultures can be compared; or, he can stand apart from the culture (structuralism), and maintain his objectivity, but perhaps be less sensitive to the nuances of the culture.

So, eds, you are a functionalist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_L%C3%A9vi-Strauss

Also a Micro-outlook and views things in terms of Small world interactions and individuals, as opposed to the Macro-outlook that views things in terms of Systems and holistic structure.
Living in a culture only gives you a view of a single individual living in a culture, to base opinions on that is always going to biased based on the experience you had positive or negative.

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