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Post by Original Quill on Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:35 am

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Yahoo News wrote:Sheriff: At Least 17 Dead In Florida High School Shooting; Ex-Student In Custody, ID’d  
Lisa de Moraes•February 14, 2018

UPDATED, 3:25 PM: Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said at least 17 people are dead and more than a dozen wounded in the school shooting in Parkland, FL. He said 12 bodies were found inside the school, two outside the building, another on a street near the school and two died at a hospital.

The suspect has been identified as Nikolas Cruz, 19, a former student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School who was expelled for disciplinary reasons. He is in police custody. Israel said police have recovered an AR-15 assault rifle they believe was used in the attack and that the suspect had “multiple magazines.”

PREVIOUSLY, 2:13 PM: Campus building are not safe to be cleared until the SWAT team on site says it’s safe and clear, he added. Students are still in the school building; Israel instructed parents looking for their child to go to a nearby Marriott, to which students are being transported as they are evacuated.

A male suspect, about 18 years old is in custody; he was apprehended without incident off campus in a nearby community, Israel said. The shooting suspect was, at various times during the shooting, outside and inside the building. He is a former student at the school.

Fox News Channel’s Shep Smith reported the suspect, who “knew the lay of the land” at the campus, was taken to a local hospital and was  “being treated for we don’t know,” and will then be taken for processing.

TV news outlets abruptly dropped Washington-centric coverage Wednesday afternoon when a shooter attacked students and staff at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida on Wednesday afternoon. Quick word of at least 20 shot in the school or on the campus triggered TV news pundit talk of Columbine High School massacre of 1999 in which 12 students and one teacher were murdered, and another 24 injured, by two heavily armed students who then committed suicide.

Cable news networks showed helicopter footage of ambulances swarming the area, victims being tended to on sidewalks, and a SWAT team heading with weapons drawn toward the high school attended by about 3K students. Dozens of teens could be seen running or walking from the building, some with hands raised over their heads to signal they did not have a weapon.

More than an hour after first reports of the shooting, local sheriff tweeted to warning the gunman, who had shot into the school from outside the building, still was at large:

Follow @browardsheriff for latest info on the #stonemanshooting. Shooter still at large.

Multiple students interviewed on CNN said students began running out of the building after someone pulled a fire alarm in the school about 10 minutes before end of school day; one reported they were told over the school’s intercom system to evacuate the building. As they exited, shots were heard,  students told the network affiliate’s reporter.

One distraught mother marveled the network the city had just been named safest place to live in Florida.

White House said Failing Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon had been alerted:

From Deputy Press Secretary Lindsay Walters:

The President has been made aware of the school shooting in Florida. We are monitoring the situation. Our thoughts and prayers are with those affected.

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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Jules on Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:43 am

Why are some cultures so obsessed with guns?
Inner city Blacks
Rap music culture
Politically malcontent Whites
Rednegade Rednecks
Mafia franchises and offshoots all over the world

They're ALL at it. What a Face



Gun worship is a sad, sad, culture, ask martin scorsese 

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:07 am

Jules wrote:
Why are some cultures so obsessed with guns?

Inner city Blacks
Rap music culture
Politically malcontent Whites
Rednegade Rednecks
Mafia franchises and offshoots all over the world

They're ALL at it. What a Face

Gun worship is a sad, sad, culture, ask martin scorsese 


Idea

There would be a plethora of possibilities; psychiatrists and psychologists could have a fieldday :

Penile compensation
Penis envy amongst the female gunnuts
Shiny black things
"The bigger the gun, the smaller the man"
Things that go 'bang !'
Fear of people who look different
Being bullied too much at school
Fear of the dark..


Must be a PhD or three in there somewhere ?

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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Jules on Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:55 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Jules wrote:
Why are some cultures so obsessed with guns?

Inner city Blacks
Rap music culture
Politically malcontent Whites
Rednegade Rednecks
Mafia franchises and offshoots all over the world

They're ALL at it. What a Face

Gun worship is a sad, sad, culture, ask martin scorsese 


Idea

There would be a plethora of possibilities;  psychiatrists and psychologists could have a fieldday  :

Penile compensation
Penis envy amongst the female gunnuts
Shiny black things
"The bigger the gun, the smaller the man"
Things that go 'bang !'
Fear of people who look different
Being bullied too much at school
Fear of the dark..


Must be a PhD or three in there somewhere  ?



Yes I agree, Wolfie, it's a penis thing. A testosterone displacement issue, as in this image > >
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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:43 pm

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I take it you didn't read this earlier post of mine...



...this is a very interesting read for those who are trying to compare murder rates of the US to UK... as it explains very well that the official figures are collected in different ways in both countries... and therefore incomparable like for like...


Bottom line is that UK rate is much higher than official figures claim... possibly higher than the US is argued here...



http://rboatright.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/comparing-england-or-uk-murder-rates.html





A blog is your evidence, not facts, but an opinion?

PMSL

Do you have something actualy accurate with evidence dummy?

Bottom line, you are a gullible idiot


It is an article highlighting the different ways that murders per 100,000 are counted in US and UK.


Evidence is presented in the article.



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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Guest on Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:46 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Didge wrote:


A blog is your evidence, not facts, but an opinion?

PMSL

Do you have something actualy accurate with evidence dummy?

Bottom line, you are a gullible idiot


It is an article highlighting the different ways that murders per 100,000 are counted in US and UK.


Evidence is presented in the article.




Its an article that severely lacks any stats or evidence

Its based on opinion around stats

So grow up and present me with evidence dummy

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:40 pm

It is an article highlighting the different ways that murders per 100,000 are counted in US and UK.


Evidence is presented in the article.


The only 'dummy's' here, are you, and the one you keep spitting out!!!



Here is a fact for you... in the 12 months to Jan 2018, in London alone, there were 14,500 knife crime incidents...!


That works out at a rate of 207 per 100,000 people in London for knife crime incidents!!!


Look at what happened in Camden a couple of days ago...!!!


We have huge numbers of black/Muslim immigrants in London running round stabbing the fuck out of each other, and danger to the rest of the population of responsible law abiding citizens... they don't care that carrying knives is illegal, or that guns are heavily restricted cos they get guns too... the restrictions only prevent responsible law abiding citizens from having the tools to protect themselves from these violent and dangerous criminals...!!!

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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Guest on Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:24 pm

PMSL

Sorry, but please back up the above with facts

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:51 pm

I've already posted the link explaining how the methods used for collating murder rate figures is different in UK than US...


The knife crime figure for London over the 12 months to Jan 2018 was on the BBC news this evening...


The Camden murders/stabbing incidents a couple days ago are all over the news, and easy for anyone to read about for themselves...


If you don't believe what I say then check it out yourself...!!!


I'll wait and see if you can show anything I've said is wrong...!?


I bet you can't!!!



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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Guest on Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:52 pm

What factual evidence?

Not some bullshit opinion

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:30 pm

International homicide comparisons

A number of international organisations, including Eurostat, have attempted to collate international homicide statistics. There are issues surrounding the comparability of international homicide data including:

different definitions of homicide between countries, although definitions vary less than for some other types of crimes

differing points in criminal justice systems at which homicides are recorded, for instance, when the offence is discovered or following further investigation or court outcome

the figures are for completed homicides (that is, excluding attempted murder) but, in some countries, the police register any death that cannot immediately be attributed to other causes as homicide

Caution should therefore be taken in comparing homicide rates across countries.


ons.gov.uk




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Post by Guest on Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:31 pm

So still no link from Tommy?????

How many times do I need to ask?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:01 pm

What do you want a link to, dodge...!?


Is the above quote from the 'Office of National Statistics (ONS.GOV.UK)' website, confirming that murder rate figures are collated differently in different countries, and ONS also stating that 'Caution should therefore be taken in comparing homicide rates across countries'... not enough 'evidence' for you...!!!???


lol!



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Post by Guest on Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:02 pm

And still waiting for Tommy to post a link

How many times do I need to ask, the link and evidence to back up his claims?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:14 pm

What do you want a link to...!?


I have posted a quote from the ONS.GOV.UK website that confirms differences in the way murder rate figures are collated in different countries...


What more do you need...!?



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Post by Guest on Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:16 pm

Still no link, backing up Tomm's claims

How many more times do I need to ask?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:46 pm

Didge wrote:Still no link, backing up Tomm's claims

How many more times do I need to ask?



I keep asking you... and I'll try one last time...


Which claim of mine is it that you want me to back up with a link?


If you can't say what it is that you want... then you have no credibility complaining about not getting it...!!!


lol!



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Post by Guest on Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:51 pm

Still no link backing his claims

May have to wait until Christmas as this rate

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:52 am



Still being a twat by refusing to say what claim he wants me to provide a link for...



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Post by Guest on Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:59 am

Still no links to back up the claims

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:05 pm

I didnt realise the shooter was dressed up in armour-type clothing with a full helmet mask. Ever read that anywhere. Also this eye witness says he had a weapon she’d never seen before?


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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:33 pm

eddie wrote:I didnt realise the shooter was dressed up in armour-type clothing with a full helmet mask. Ever read that anywhere. Also this eye witness says he had a weapon she’d never seen before?

It is strange...because many of these shooters see themselves on a suicide mission anyway. Why have all the protective gear if you have accepted your death anyway.

If we can get inside their minds, we might see a fantasy world where the attire is, effectively, a costume and they are playing a role.

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:49 pm

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eddie wrote:I didnt realise the shooter was dressed up in armour-type clothing with a full helmet mask. Ever read that anywhere. Also this eye witness says he had a weapon she’d never seen before?

It is strange...because many of these shooters see themselves on a suicide mission anyway.  Why have all the protective gear if you have accepted your death anyway.

If we can get inside their minds, we might see a fantasy world where the attire is, effectively, a costume and they are playing a role.


Why wasn’t this mentioned, this attire? Where did he get the “unusual weapon” from and why wasnt that mentioned?
This is an up-Close eye witness, surely her account has been used?

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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:07 pm

eddie wrote:I didnt realise the shooter was dressed up in armour-type clothing with a full helmet mask.  Ever read that anywhere. Also this eye witness says he had a weapon she’d never seen before?

I take such stories with a pinch of salt.

In such situations, most poeple are in abject fear.
She states she is trying to help people into the class and would not be staring at the killer.
She may have caught a quick clance of the killer, but she would not have stopped to look and become a target herself. Hence it does not make much sense what she has said.
The killer was able to leave the building by blending in with fellow students fleeing. So the claim he was wearing body armour, simple is very far fetched. Nor has any been found.

I think people over inflate stories after invents. Even more when others are not coroborationg her claims.

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:56 pm

Yes. I suppose eye witnesses aren’t to be believed at all.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:28 pm

eddie wrote:I didnt realise the shooter was dressed up in armour-type clothing with a full helmet mask.  Ever read that anywhere. Also this eye witness says he had a weapon she’d never seen before?


He had a gas mask, he wasn't in armor and he had an AR-15. There are 15 million of those rifles in the US. I have no idea if she has never seen one.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:44 pm

Living in the past.

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Post by eddie on Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:45 pm

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I’m listening. What do you mean?

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I’m listening. What do you mean?

Broward County Sheriff's name is Scott Israel.  I guess it means that Jews don't put up a good fight.  They 'Stand Down'.  

Remember southerners have a thing about Jews as well. What were they chanting in Charlottesville?

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Post by Syl on Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:02 pm

I thought he meant he was obviously a Clinton supporter not a Trump supporter. scratch

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Syl wrote:I thought he meant he was obviously a Clinton supporter not a Trump supporter. scratch

Well, yeah, me too.

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Syl wrote:I thought he meant he was obviously a Clinton supporter not a Trump supporter. scratch

Well, yeah, me too.  

That interpretation doesn't make sense.  Clinton won. The meme is about standing down, not winning.

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Post by Syl on Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:16 pm

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Well, yeah, me too.  

That interpretation doesn't make sense.  Clinton won.  The meme is about standing down, not winning.

But Trump is president....so he won the battle even if he lost on votes.

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Syl wrote:
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That interpretation doesn't make sense.  Clinton won.  The meme is about standing down, not winning.

But Trump is president....so he won the battle even if he lost on votes.

That's because America isn't a democracy. But Clinton was the more popular, by some 3-million votes.

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Post by Syl on Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:42 pm

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But Trump is president....so he won the battle even if he lost on votes.

That's because America isn't a democracy.  But Clinton was the more popular, by some 3-million votes.

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That's because America isn't a democracy.  But Clinton was the more popular, by some 3-million votes.

Crazy.

...but true. We are so far into the age of democracy, that we forget we never transitioned ourselves from status to contract. America started the experimenting, but the French completed the job. We got left behind.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:36 pm

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I’m listening. What do you mean?


Benghazi.

The men fighting there got no help.

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:39 pm

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I’m listening. What do you mean?


Benghazi.

The men fighting there got no help.  


You mean the US facilities?

What did i tell you about people determined to kill?

Take the knife intifada.

How many Israeli's have been killed when many carry guns?

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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:40 pm

Didge wrote:
Maddog wrote:


Benghazi.

The men fighting there got no help.  


You mean the US facilities?

What did i tell you about people determined to kill?

Take the knife intifada.

How many Israeli's have been killed when many carry guns?

The point od the meme is both people led agencies that did nothing while Americans were being killed.

Nothing more.

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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Guest on Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:44 pm

Maddog wrote:
Didge wrote:


You mean the US facilities?

What did i tell you about people determined to kill?

Take the knife intifada.

How many Israeli's have been killed when many carry guns?

The point od the meme is both people led agencies that did nothing while Americans were being killed.

Nothing more.


How could they have stopped it?

How could the US have stopped 9/11?

Like i say, when people are determined to kill and even worse think its righteous to die in the process.

There is little defense you can do against that.

Intelligence works well to prevent, but a prime example is this.

Ths devastation that the Japanese Kamikaze planes did on the US fleets

Such attacks in the short space of time they were used, create more injuries, deaths and sinkings, than all the conventional attacks by navy and air forces put together

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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:52 pm

Didge wrote:
Maddog wrote:

The point od the meme is both people led agencies that did nothing while Americans were being killed.

Nothing more.


How could they have stopped it?

How could the US have stopped 9/11?

Like i say, when people are determined to kill and even worse think its righteous to die in the process.

There is little defense you can do against that.

Intelligence works well to prevent, but a prime example is this.

Ths devastation that the Japanese Kamikaze planes did on the US fleets

Such attacks in the short space of time they were used, create more injuries, deaths and sinkings, than all the conventional attacks by navy and air forces put together

No one knows if anyone could have stopped it. The reason being is no one tried.

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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Guest on Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:02 pm

Maddog wrote:
Didge wrote:


How could they have stopped it?

How could the US have stopped 9/11?

Like i say, when people are determined to kill and even worse think its righteous to die in the process.

There is little defense you can do against that.

Intelligence works well to prevent, but a prime example is this.

Ths devastation that the Japanese Kamikaze planes did on the US fleets

Such attacks in the short space of time they were used, create more injuries, deaths and sinkings, than all the conventional attacks by navy and air forces put together

No one knows if anyone could have stopped it. The reason being is no one tried.


Really, so how could they have stopped it?

It was a coordinated attack

Sadly things happen in war.

Did you know many Submarine commanders in the US in ww2 knew that many ships were carrying POW's

Did you know, that not once did this prevent them from attacking?

And that many POW's died and many survivors were murder by the Japanese based on such Submarine attacks?

The US Submarine force achived more than the atomic bombs or the bombing campaign.

It did what the U-boats failed to do England.

It stangled Japan.

If people had been sent, would others have died?

Have you thought about this, when it could have been late to save those who did die?

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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:04 pm

Didge wrote:
Maddog wrote:

No one knows if anyone could have stopped it. The reason being is no one tried.


Really, so how could they have stopped it?

It was a coordinated attack

Sadly things happen in war.

Did you know many Submarine commanders in the US in ww2 knew that many ships were carrying POW's

Did you know, that not once did this prevent them from attacking?

And that many POW's died and many survivors were murder by the Japanese based on such Submarine attacks?

The US Submarine force achived more than the atomic bombs or the bombing campaign.

It did what the U-boats failed to do England.

It stangled Japan.

If people had been sent, would others have died?

Have you thought about this, when it could have been late to save those who did die?

Maybe you shouldn't comment on memes.

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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Guest on Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:05 pm

Maddog wrote:
Didge wrote:


Really, so how could they have stopped it?

It was a coordinated attack

Sadly things happen in war.

Did you know many Submarine commanders in the US in ww2 knew that many ships were carrying POW's

Did you know, that not once did this prevent them from attacking?

And that many POW's died and many survivors were murder by the Japanese based on such Submarine attacks?

The US Submarine force achived more than the atomic bombs or the bombing campaign.

It did what the U-boats failed to do England.

It stangled Japan.

If people had been sent, would others have died?

Have you thought about this, when it could have been late to save those who did die?

Maybe you shouldn't comment on memes.

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I thought you like that it made me think about things?

What has now made you change your position?

Is it that I have now made you think on what I have said?

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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:22 pm

Didge wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Maybe you shouldn't comment on memes.

Rolling Eyes


I thought you like that it made me think about things?

What has now made you change your position?

Is it that I have now made you think on what I have said?

OK. Keep thinking.

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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:23 pm

eddie wrote:
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I’m listening. What do you mean?

It's about U boats.

Didge sussed me out. Cool

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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Guest on Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:24 pm

Maddog wrote:
eddie wrote:


I’m listening. What do you mean?

It's about U boats.

Didge sussed me out. Cool


Incorrect again

Its based off individual selfish materialistic needs

Now I know I have you in a courner mater

You are looking to others for support and trying to mock my points at the same time

I take that as a compliment mate

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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Guest on Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:26 pm

Maddog wrote:
Didge wrote:


I thought you like that it made me think about things?

What has now made you change your position?

Is it that I have now made you think on what I have said?

OK. Keep thinking.


So why are you not able to, in my responses, actually think in your replies.

Seems like you are using a classic Darius III defense here

How did that pan out for him?

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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:41 pm

Didge wrote:
Maddog wrote:

It's about U boats.

Didge sussed me out. Cool


Incorrect again

Its based off individual selfish materialistic needs

Now I know I have you in a courner mater

You are looking to others for support and trying to mock my points at the same time

I take that as a compliment mate

Laughing


You're welcome.

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Re: Mass shooting in Florida high school; 17 dead

Post by Guest on Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:42 pm

Maddog wrote:
Didge wrote:


Incorrect again

Its based off individual selfish materialistic needs

Now I know I have you in a courner mater

You are looking to others for support and trying to mock my points at the same time

I take that as a compliment mate

Laughing


You're welcome.  

No problem mate

Shame you tried to steal yards here though, not even conventionally.

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