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TUSCON, Ariz. (WFLA) - Authorities in Arizona are searching for the mother of a newborn baby who was left with a note in an airport bathroom, The Washington Post reported.

Surveillance video released by the Tuscon Airport Authority shows a woman arrive at the airport carrying what appears to be a baby wrapped in a blanket. Authorities say she left the airport without her baby boy.

The newborn was found inside the bathroom with a torn umbilical cord and a note.

“Please help me. My mom had no idea she was pregnant. She is unable and unfit to take care of me. Please get me to the authorities so they can find a good home,” the note read.

At the end of the note, the mother pleaded, “I just want what is best for him and it’s not me. Please, I’m sorry.”

A custodian told police she saw the woman holding the baby inside the restroom and that there were pools of blood on the floor. When she asked the woman if she was okay, the suspected mother would only say that the baby was three-months-old and left in a hurry. The custodian later found bloody clothes stuffed under paper towels in the trash can.

Responding medics clamped the baby’s umbilical cord and the child was taken to an area hospital. According to an airport spokeswoman, the baby appears to be healthy and is now in the custody of the Arizona Department of Child Safety.

Arizona is a “safe haven” state, therefore a person may surrender a child to authorities without being punished. But the mother may still face criminal charges given that the airport is not a designated location.

http://www.wjhl.com/news/national/woman-leaves-baby-behind-in-airport-bathroom-with-handwritten-note/967451427


I get it, she didn't leave the baby at an authorized safe haven. But she left the baby in a place where it was going to be discovered in minutes. She didn't harm or try to kill the child. The note shows she cared for that child enough to give it away. If you go after her, you will make other unfit mothers fearful about giving up their baby.

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Post by Syl on Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:03 pm

Maybe the woman couldnt get to a designated location, or wasnt aware where they were.
Hopfully if she is found she is given help.

I think stories like this are so sad, for a woman to leave her baby as soon as she has given birth, she must have been so desperate.

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Syl wrote:Maybe the woman couldnt get to a designated location, or wasnt aware where they were.
Hopfully if she is found she is given help.

I think stories like this are so sad, for a woman to leave her baby as soon as she has given birth, she must have been so desperate.

Or on meth. Evil or Very Mad

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Post by Maddog on Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:12 pm

Syl wrote:Maybe the woman couldnt get to a designated location, or wasnt aware where they were.
Hopfully if she is found she is given help.

I think stories like this are so sad, for a woman to leave her baby as soon as she has given birth, she must have been so desperate.

That could be the case. I think they should go ahead and announce that she will face no charges if she come forward. What good is it going to do society to put this woman on trial?

But, there's always some damn government official what want's to prove he is earning his keep going after "crime".

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Syl wrote:Maybe the woman couldnt get to a designated location, or wasnt aware where they were.
Hopfully if she is found she is given help.

I think stories like this are so sad, for a woman to leave her baby as soon as she has given birth, she must have been so desperate.

Or on meth.  Evil or Very Mad

If she's on meth, she could still drop the baby off. That's the whole point of safe zones. Maybe a backwards state like Cali doesn't have them? Cool

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Post by Syl on Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:22 pm

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:Maybe the woman couldnt get to a designated location, or wasnt aware where they were.
Hopfully if she is found she is given help.

I think stories like this are so sad, for a woman to leave her baby as soon as she has given birth, she must have been so desperate.

That could be the case. I think they should go ahead and announce that she will face no charges if she come forward. What good is it going to do society to put this woman on trial?

But, there's always some damn government official what want's to prove he is earning his keep going after "crime".

Im sure there are far more worthy wrongdoers to persecute rather than a desperate woman who obviously needs all the help she can get.

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Syl wrote:
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That could be the case. I think they should go ahead and announce that she will face no charges if she come forward. What good is it going to do society to put this woman on trial?

But, there's always some damn government official what want's to prove he is earning his keep going after "crime".

Im sure there are far more worthy wrongdoers to persecute rather than a desperate woman who obviously needs all the help she can get.

No doubt, but that rarely stops these people.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:01 am

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In Australia, that mother wouldn't face any criminal charges...

However, authorities here would still want to find her, as medical, psychological and substance abuse help is provided free by the state..

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Or on meth.  Evil or Very Mad

If she's on meth, she could still drop the baby off. That's the whole point of safe zones. Maybe a backwards state like Cali doesn't have them?  Cool

California has them. How proud the child will grow up to be, knowing that his mother valued drugs over him.

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Post by nicko on Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:45 am

How do you know she was on Drugs?
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Post by Syl on Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:08 pm

Original Quill wrote:
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If she's on meth, she could still drop the baby off. That's the whole point of safe zones. Maybe a backwards state like Cali doesn't have them?  Cool

California has them.  How proud the child will grow up to be, knowing that his mother valued drugs over him.

You often throw out a thought then deal with it as if its a fact. Rolling Eyes

No matter what the circumstances are, the mother obviously needs help, hopefully she will get it without condemnation.

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Post by magica on Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:32 pm

She could be a young teen who hasn't told her mum. She seems to have given birth in the toilet. How scared she must've been.

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nicko wrote:How do you know she was on Drugs?

I'm betting, but how does one get in this situation? No self-esteem. No control over her own life. Odds are, it's either heroin or meth.

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nicko wrote:How do you know she was on Drugs?

I'm betting, but how does one get in this situation?  No self-esteem.  No control over her own life.  Odds are, it's either heroin or meth.

She could have been a runaway who was raped by a middle aged weirdo from California. Wink

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Maddog wrote:
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I'm betting, but how does one get in this situation?  No self-esteem.  No control over her own life.  Odds are, it's either heroin or meth.

She could have been a runaway who was raped by a middle aged weirdo from California.  Wink

That's true. Any number of circumstances might have contributed to her pregnancy.

And were she not on drugs she would have handled it better.

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Post by sassy on Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:52 pm

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She could have been a runaway who was raped by a middle aged weirdo from California.  Wink

That's true.  Any number of circumstances might have contributed to her pregnancy.

And were she not on drugs she would have handled it better.


How about she is probably very young and was maybe raped. I never realised you were so judgemental and lacking in empathy Quill

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nicko wrote:How do you know she was on Drugs?

I'm betting, but how does one get in this situation?  No self-esteem.  No control over her own life.  Odds are, it's either heroin or meth.

So the only reason a mother doesn’t want a baby is due to drugs?

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:03 pm

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That's true.  Any number of circumstances might have contributed to her pregnancy.

And were she not on drugs she would have handled it better.


How about she is probably very young and was maybe raped.   I never realised you were so judgemental and lacking in empathy Quill

I never realized you were so non observant. Rolling Eyes

My birth mother gave me up at birth. I doubt she was on drugs either. She was just young and incapable of raising a child. She did what was best for me and I was raised in a family where they could provide what I needed. Wink

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Post by Syl on Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:08 pm

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How about she is probably very young and was maybe raped.   I never realised you were so judgemental and lacking in empathy Quill

I never realized you were so non observant. Rolling Eyes

My birth mother gave me up at birth. I doubt she was on drugs either. She was just young and incapable of raising a child. She did what was best for me and I was raised in a family where they could provide what I needed. Wink

I doubt many mothers give their babies up easily.
The mum and dad who did bring you up seem to have done a brilliant job. x

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Syl wrote:
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I never realized you were so non observant. Rolling Eyes

My birth mother gave me up at birth. I doubt she was on drugs either. She was just young and incapable of raising a child. She did what was best for me and I was raised in a family where they could provide what I needed. Wink

I doubt many mothers give their babies up easily.
The mum and dad who did bring you up seem to have done a brilliant job. x

Thank you ma'am. My younger two sisters were in the same boat as me. My folks adopted 3 kids and raised them like their own.

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I'm betting, but how does one get in this situation?  No self-esteem.  No control over her own life.  Odds are, it's either heroin or meth.

So the only reason a mother doesn’t want a baby is due to drugs?

Drugs are a huge problem.

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So the only reason a mother doesn’t want a baby is due to drugs?

Drugs are a huge problem.

You sound like Jeff Sessions. Wink

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That's true.  Any number of circumstances might have contributed to her pregnancy.

And were she not on drugs she would have handled it better.


How about she is probably very young and was maybe raped.   I never realised you were so judgemental and lacking in empathy Quill

Every once in a while I become quite regimented. Particularly when it comes to properly taking care of children.

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Drugs are a huge problem.

You sound like Jeff Sessions.  Wink

His issue is immigration...he hates Mexicans. Mexicans are a huge problem for Republicans. Hispanics overwhelmingly vote Democratic, and they are rapidly assuming majority status in those huge western states. CNN reports that by 2023, more than half of all children in the US will be minority. It is anticipated that by 2050, what we call minorities today, will be the majority of voters. This is primarily due to Huspanics:

CNN wrote:"Part of it is a higher fertility rate for some of the minority groups, Hispanics in particular," said Dave Waddington, chief of the Census Bureau's population projection branch, which issued the report. "Those groups also tend to be more of the childbearing age. Non-Hispanic white people tend to be a little bit older."
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In addition to being the party of special interests, a winnowing group, the Republicans are, well, aging themselves out of voters. This is why Republicans oppose Dreamers, immigration of those with family ties, and in fact, any program that brings in Hispanic populations.

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You sound like Jeff Sessions.  Wink

His issue is immigration...he hates Mexicans.  Mexicans are a huge problem for Republicans.  Hispanics overwhelmingly vote Democratic, and they are rapidly assuming majority status in those huge western states.  CNN reports that by 2023, more than half of all children in the US will be minority.   It is anticipated that by 2050, what we call minorities today, will be the majority of voters. This is primarily due to Huspanics:

CNN wrote:"Part of it is a higher fertility rate for some of the minority groups, Hispanics in particular," said Dave Waddington, chief of the Census Bureau's population projection branch, which issued the report. "Those groups also tend to be more of the childbearing age. Non-Hispanic white people tend to be a little bit older."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/13/census.minorities/index.html?_s=PM:US

In addition to being the party of special interests, a winnowing group, the Republicans are, well, aging themselves out of voters.  This is why Republicans oppose Dreamers, immigration of those with family ties, and in fact, any program that brings in Hispanic populations.

It ain't easy when your kind is dying.

His issue is drugs. Once again you make me question what country you live in

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How about she is probably very young and was maybe raped.   I never realised you were so judgemental and lacking in empathy Quill

Every once in a while I become quite regimented.  Particularly when it comes to properly taking care of children.

I think her note made it very clear she was doing this for the betterment of her child.

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Every once in a while I become quite regimented.  Particularly when it comes to properly taking care of children.

I think her note made it very clear she was doing this for the betterment of her child.  

That's a matter of interpretation. Most people like to talk about their good motives, and repress their bad motives. But she still did it. That's why the Miranda warnings tell you to shut up.

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I think her note made it very clear she was doing this for the betterment of her child.  

That's a matter of interpretation.  Most people like to talk about their good motives, and repress their bad motives.  But she still did it.  That's why the Miranda warnings tell you to shut up.

Yes, she left that child in place where it would be quickly found and taken care of. Just like the decent people in society would like her to do.

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That's a matter of interpretation.  Most people like to talk about their good motives, and repress their bad motives.  But she still did it.  That's why the Miranda warnings tell you to shut up.

Yes, she left that child in place where it would be quickly found and taken care of. Just like the decent people in society would like her to do.  

I wouldn't call people who are too drugged up to meet their responsibilities, decent people. If the person has hardships not of her own making, I have every sympathy.

But still, in an airport rest room? That alone suggests she is looking for the easy way, not the responsible way.

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Yes, she left that child in place where it would be quickly found and taken care of. Just like the decent people in society would like her to do.  

I wouldn't call people who are too drugged up to meet their responsibilities, decent people.  If the person has hardships not of her own making, I have every sympathy.

But still, in an airport rest room?  That alone suggests she is looking for the easy way, not the responsible way.

So if she were drugged up and took the baby home, that would make her decent?

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I wouldn't call people who are too drugged up to meet their responsibilities, decent people.  If the person has hardships not of her own making, I have every sympathy.

But still, in an airport rest room?  That alone suggests she is looking for the easy way, not the responsible way.

So if she were drugged up and took the baby home, that would make her decent?

You can randomly guess at this or that, but the better way is the right way.

In Tucson, there's only one airport, but there are dozens of hospitals and clinics, including one of the best university medical schools in the country...and the entire University of Arizona Medical Center.

Any one of them would take proper care of a new born infant.

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So if she were drugged up and took the baby home, that would make her decent?

You can randomly guess at this or that, but the better way is the right way.

In Tucson, there's only one airport, but there are dozens of hospitals and clinics, including one of the best university medical schools in the country...and the entire University of Arizona Medical Center.

Any one of them would take proper care of a new born infant.

You brought up the random guessing about her being on drugs.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:53 pm

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You can randomly guess at this or that, but the better way is the right way.

In Tucson, there's only one airport, but there are dozens of hospitals and clinics, including one of the best university medical schools in the country...and the entire University of Arizona Medical Center.

Any one of them would take proper care of a new born infant.

You brought up the random guessing about her being on drugs.  

My concern is less about her drug use, and more about concern for the infant. The only thing I see is her causal concern for the baby.

She leaves the child in a community bathroom, when she was probably 10 minutes away from one of the nation's top medical facilities. But for the tear-jerking note, it's almost malicious.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:00 pm

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You brought up the random guessing about her being on drugs.  

My concern is less about her drug use, and more about concern for the infant.  The only thing I see is her causal concern for the baby.

She leaves the child in a community bathroom, when she was probably 10 minutes away from one of the nation's top medical facilities.  But for the tear-jerking note, it's almost malicious.

The infant is fine. No telling what kind of shape she is in.

You're an odd duck.

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Post by Cass on Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:41 pm

Syl wrote:Maybe the woman couldnt get to a designated location, or wasnt aware where they were.
Hopfully if she is found she is given help.

I think stories like this are so sad, for a woman to leave her baby as soon as she has given birth, she must have been so desperate.

Exactly. Especially if she was young and was alone and scared, she maybe knew that it’s a safe haven state but not know that the airport wasn’t a drop off. Still she did good by leaving the baby in a busy place instead of killing it or putting it in a dumpster. That alone to me signifies that she truly wanted the baby to be found. Poor thing.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:50 pm

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Syl wrote:Maybe the woman couldnt get to a designated location, or wasnt aware where they were.
Hopfully if she is found she is given help.

I think stories like this are so sad, for a woman to leave her baby as soon as she has given birth, she must have been so desperate.

Exactly. Especially if she was young and was alone and scared, she maybe knew that it’s a safe haven state but not know that the airport wasn’t a drop off. Still she did good by leaving the baby in a busy place instead of killing it or putting it in a dumpster. That alone to me signifies that she truly wanted the baby to be found. Poor thing.

Strangely, I agree with Syl too. I'm only hard on the young girl because it's something she will regret for the rest of her life.

Granted, my first priority is going to be for the helpless infant, but a little tough love for mom might be in order. Her views are wrinkled and wet, just like the newborn. But that's temporary. A mother and child--I mean the relationship--should be given a chance. She's throwing all that under the bus, before it has a chance.

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Post by Cass on Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:06 am

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Exactly. Especially if she was young and was alone and scared, she maybe knew that it’s a safe haven state but not know that the airport wasn’t a drop off. Still she did good by leaving the baby in a busy place instead of killing it or putting it in a dumpster. That alone to me signifies that she truly wanted the baby to be found. Poor thing.

Strangely, I agree with Syl too.  I'm only hard on the young girl because it's something she will regret for the rest of her life.

Granted, my first priority is going to be for the helpless infant, but a little tough love for mom might be in order.  Her views are wrinkled and wet, just like the newborn.  But that's temporary.  A mother and child--I mean the relationship--should be given a chance.  She's throwing all that under the bus, before it has a chance.

Well lucky for the girl that you are not her parent then.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:18 am

Cass wrote:
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Strangely, I agree with Syl too.  I'm only hard on the young girl because it's something she will regret for the rest of her life.

Granted, my first priority is going to be for the helpless infant, but a little tough love for mom might be in order.  Her views are wrinkled and wet, just like the newborn.  But that's temporary.  A mother and child--I mean the relationship--should be given a chance.  She's throwing all that under the bus, before it has a chance.

Well lucky for the girl that you are not her parent then.

I disagree.  Since I am the one doing best by the infant and the girl, I feel convinced they would thank me later in life.  I don't see them coming down with, I hate you...you made us stick together and love each other!

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Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:13 am

Cass wrote:
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Strangely, I agree with Syl too.  I'm only hard on the young girl because it's something she will regret for the rest of her life.

Granted, my first priority is going to be for the helpless infant, but a little tough love for mom might be in order.  Her views are wrinkled and wet, just like the newborn.  But that's temporary.  A mother and child--I mean the relationship--should be given a chance.  She's throwing all that under the bus, before it has a chance.

Well lucky for the girl that you are not her parent then.

That's no lie. He can't understand that walking away from a child can be a far greater display of love than keeping the child.

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Post by Didge on Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:18 am

Maddog wrote:
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Well lucky for the girl that you are not her parent then.

That's no lie.  He can't understand that walking away from a child can be a far greater display of love than keeping the child.  


I would hardly call it love.

No way, to abandon someone is caused by fear and not being able to face up to that responsibility. That is not love. That person needs help and support.

This woman may even have post complications. So finding her is important

Does it mean forcing them back together?

No

Should she face criminal charges?

No

She clearly needs help.

It may well seem to that person, the right thing to do, but its not a display of love.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:04 pm

Didge wrote:
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That's no lie.  He can't understand that walking away from a child can be a far greater display of love than keeping the child.  


I would hardly call it love.

No way, to abandon someone is caused by fear and not being able to face up to that responsibility. That is not love. That person needs help and support.

This woman may even have post complications. So finding her is important

Does it mean forcing them back together?

No

Should she face criminal charges?

No

She clearly needs help.

It may well seem to that person, the right thing to do, but its not a display of love.

Many would say that doing the right thing for your child is how a parent shows love.

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