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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:58 am

A MASTURBATION crisis is rocking Germany, with as many as 100 people dying every year from ‘risky masturbation practices’.

But dangerous solo sex is becoming a global issue, with forensic examiners claiming one to two people per one million are killed annually in the act of searching for the ‘ultimate orgasm’, which in most fatal cases can mean oxygen deprivation.

It comes as the body of a man was reportedly found in Hamburg covered in sliced cheese with pantyhose pulled up over his upper body, while he was wearing a diving suit and a raincoat.

He had placed a plastic bag over his head and was sat in front of an active heater, according to local media.

Another man was found at the end of last year, having died from auto-asphyxiation when he was wrapped in chains in a room where ‘pornographic images were present’.

However the official numbers that show masturbation as the cause of death are low, and forensic physician Dr Harald Voss predicts this is because unreported cases are ‘extremely high’.

He said friends or family hide evidence because they feel ashamed about what has happened.

“The number of unreported cases is extremely high, which is a very rare case in forensic medicine,” Dr Voss told German newspaper Bild, claiming to have personally seen only five cases throughout his more than 30 year career as a forensic physician.

Additionally, if police find the cause of death to be accidental, where the victim is naked, pornographic material is present, no farewell letter is left behind, there’s a nearby mirror as well as other telltale signs, the body does not go to forensics.

In one example, a man was discovered by his mother with Christmas tree lights clamped to his nipples, but she removed them before emergency services arrived.

They were initially confused why he had burn marks on his body but his mother came clean and admitted what she had originally found.

It was concluded that the cause of death was electrocution.

The Institute of Legal Medicine has investigated 40 accidental autoerotic fatalities in northern Germany between 1983 and 2003 with all the victims being males between the ages of 13 and 79.

Dr Voss warns evidence that could point towards the scene of an autoerotic death included exposed genitalia, restraints that could have been self administered, mirrors placed near the body, plastic bags around the head, porn, and the lack of a suicide note.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/sex/risky-masturbation-practices-becoming-more-common-cause-of-death/news-story/69f04502118bca43fdd58f66a260e28b

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Post by magica on Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:05 am

Omg, the things people do for a organism.

Whatever happened to having just sex. No

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Post by Syl on Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:35 pm

I can think of at least 3  cases where famous people have died trying to find solo sexual gratification, if three famous people make the headlines its no surprise that many others die in similarly extreme ways but we just dont hear about it...thankfully.

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Post by eddie on Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:42 pm

I understand trying some kinky shit out, but trying to have an orgasm whilst almost dying sounds like it wouldn’t be a whole heap of fun....

Call me a prude.

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Post by magica on Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:52 pm

eddie wrote:I understand trying some kinky shit out, but trying to have an orgasm whilst almost dying sounds like it wouldn’t be a whole heap of fun....

Call me a prude.

Prude. lol!

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:41 pm

Many, many deaths are attributed to "natural" factors, when in fact the real cause is auto-erotic asphyxiation.

The brilliant comedian, Robin Williams, was a victim in his Belvedere home. It's not just families who hide the evidence, but officials avoiding the obvious. The Marin County deputy coroner stated Williams had hanged himself with a belt and died from asphyxiation, secondary to "a recent increase in paranoia". Rolling Eyes Williams death was politely labeled a suicide.

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Post by eddie on Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:53 pm

magica wrote:
eddie wrote:I understand trying some kinky shit out, but trying to have an orgasm whilst almost dying sounds like it wouldn’t be a whole heap of fun....

Call me a prude.

Prude.        lol!

There’s always one comedian Razz

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Post by eddie on Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:54 pm

Original Quill wrote:Many, many deaths are attributed to "natural" factors, when in fact the real cause is auto-erotic asphyxiation.  

The brilliant comedian, Robin Williams, was a victim in his Belvedere home.  It's not just families who hide the evidence, but officials avoiding the obvious.  The Marin County deputy coroner stated Williams had hanged himself with a belt and died from asphyxiation, secondary to "a recent increase in paranoia".  Rolling Eyes   Williams death was politely labeled a suicide.  

How do you know it wasn’t suicide? What do you know that we don’t? Suspect

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:06 pm

eddie wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Many, many deaths are attributed to "natural" factors, when in fact the real cause is auto-erotic asphyxiation.  

The brilliant comedian, Robin Williams, was a victim in his Belvedere home.  It's not just families who hide the evidence, but officials avoiding the obvious.  The Marin County deputy coroner stated Williams had hanged himself with a belt and died from asphyxiation, secondary to "a recent increase in paranoia".  Rolling Eyes   Williams death was politely labeled a suicide.  

How do you know it wasn’t suicide? What do you know that we don’t? Suspect

I live in Marin County and know the officials.

The Sheriff's officer said the person who found him stated: Williams was found clothed, in a seated position and "with a belt secured around his neck, with the other end of the belt wedged between the clothes closet door and the door frame.  His right shoulder area was touching the door, with his body perpendicular to the door and slightly suspended."

Pretty elaborate for a casual, everyday suicide.  Also, what's with the emphasis on the fact that he was "clothed"?  It's like someone was covering a question that has yet to be asked.  They say that family and friends try to cover these things up.

It's all in the book:  Novelli, Robin Williams: Suicide, Auto-Erotic Asphyxiation, Murder?  Some have renamed him, 'Throbbin Williams.'  Lol.

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Post by eddie on Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:31 pm

Wow. I never knew that. What an idiot he was if that’s how he died.

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Post by Syl on Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:35 pm

Micheal Hutchence and James Carradine were allegedly playing choking games with themselves too.
Nowt as queer as folk,

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Post by eddie on Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:22 pm

Syl wrote:Micheal Hutchence and James Carradine were allegedly playing choking games with themselves too.
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Yes but Robin Williams’ death never mentioned sex games.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:05 am

eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:Micheal Hutchence and James Carradine were allegedly playing choking games with themselves too.
Nowt as queer as folk,

Yes but Robin Williams’ death never mentioned sex games.

A good press agent is worth his weight in gold.

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Post by Syl on Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:28 pm

Original Quill wrote:
eddie wrote:

Yes but Robin Williams’ death never mentioned sex games.

A good press agent is worth his weight in gold.

I think you are spot on.
Sadly, sometimes the way a person dies overtakes what they have done in their lives....especially if they die in an odd or worse sexual way.
Far better to keep it quiet if possible.

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Post by Cass on Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:48 pm

Robbin Williams suffered from Lewy Body Dementia which is what my uncle had and caused him to hurt himself very badly. He also had suffered for years with deep, scarring depression. That is why he committed suicide and nothing else.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:31 pm

Cass wrote:Robbin Williams suffered from Lewy Body Dementia which is what my uncle had and caused him to hurt himself very badly. He also had suffered for years with deep, scarring depression. That is why he committed suicide and nothing else.

Indeed, Lewy Body Dementia (LBD) is the argument that William's wife, Susan, is pitching. It wasn't found until a post-mortem examination was performed, however. Moreover, LBD is a progressive illness and they don't know how advanced it was. Most important, even if Williams had LBD, was it causative of his death? He might have had it, and still died of autoerotic asphyxiation.

Another theory: Williams was a notorious drinker and drug-taker, leading to the speculation that he was suffering from extreme depression. This may be coupled with the LBD diagnosis, as LBD is associated with extreme anxiety.

None of these theories explain the weird conditions of the scene when he was found, however, which bears no relationship to any disease. And the responses of the family and his personal assistant seem to be a bit too gratuitous in some aspects, and evasive in others.

Suffice it to say, it's a mystery.

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Post by Cass on Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:40 pm

No it’s not.

He had no alcohol and minimum levels of legal therapeutic drugs in his body.

He hanged himself. He was found fully clothed. The way he hanged himself is similar to the style used by some who have died by autoerotic asphyxiation. He knew of it from a movie he was in. That does not mean for one second that he did it. He knew it to be a sure fire way of killing himself and not being found so he could be resuscitated. He wanted to die.

The only links to autoerotic asphyxiation are national enquirer type websites and conspiracy theory blog sites.

He had been originally misdiagnosed with Parkinson’s which has a lot of similarities with LBD but not the increasing paranoia which was observed by his friends and family. The same thing happened to my uncle. He was diagnosed with Parkinson’s and dementia until he was left alone in a shower, unscrewed a lightbulb and slashed his wrists because the nursing home people were the Taliban and he was a POW. They then did more tests at hospital and came up with the correct diagnosis.

Nobody is hiding anything.

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Post by Didge on Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:10 pm

Cass wrote:No it’s not.

He had no alcohol and minimum levels of legal therapeutic drugs in his body.

He hanged himself. He was found fully clothed. The way he hanged himself is similar to the style used by some who have died by autoerotic asphyxiation. He knew of it from a movie he was in. That does not mean for one second that he did it. He knew it to be a sure fire way of killing himself and not being found so he could be resuscitated. He wanted to die.

The only links to autoerotic asphyxiation are national enquirer type websites and conspiracy theory blog sites.

He had been originally misdiagnosed with Parkinson’s which has a lot of similarities with LBD but not the increasing paranoia which was observed by his friends and family. The same thing happened to my uncle. He was diagnosed with Parkinson’s and dementia until he was left alone in a shower, unscrewed a lightbulb and slashed his wrists because the nursing home people were the Taliban and he was a POW. They then did more tests at hospital and came up with the correct diagnosis.

Nobody is hiding anything.


Maybe it was a combination of many things Cass, but throughout his life he was a prolific drug user.
Not saying that is what has cause his death, but it may have played part in what led to said disorders. Its something we do not truely know enough about yet and something we should not dismiss. I know He and John Belushi were coke head buddies. 

I get where you are coming from, but both yours and Quills points are based on assumptions. I more than anyone think drugs should be legalized, but we have no way of knowing how long term drug use really can lead to further problems mentally.

I dislike poor conspiracy theories, as most know on here and Quill claiming he knows the people involved in cases, really is plain bullshit. I doubt we will ever know what happened. All I know, is the world lost a talent in Robin Williams. Someone that made many people laugh and gave joy to many. That is how he should be remembered.


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Post by Original Quill on Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:11 pm

"He hanged himself." In a chair? Not your normal suicide. If you are intent on suicide, just find something to throw a rope over and jump. The elaborateness of the scene suggested to investigators that something else was going on.

"He was found fully clothed." So says the personal assistant, but family/friends always try to alter the scene to avoid embarrassment. Moreover, the quickness/gratuitousness with which the PA came up with this factoid (fully clothed), is what prompted the investigators to question things in the first place.

It's speculation either way. Lots of people get depressed, I'm sure some from LBD. But that's only suggestive of a motive, hardly conclusive. It's an assumption to even call it a suicide. An equally plausible motive is that creative people find creative ways to masturbate. Given the weirdness of the scene--which has yet to be explained--and frequency/commonality of auto-erotic asphyxiation deaths that police see, it's a toss up.

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Post by Syl on Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:16 pm

Cass wrote:Robbin Williams suffered from Lewy Body Dementia which is what my uncle had and caused him to hurt himself very badly. He also had suffered for years with deep, scarring depression. That is why he committed suicide and nothing else.

I believe that's probably true Cass.
Its a shame that so many rumours start and spread when a famous person dies. Its tragic enough that he suffered so badly from depression he killed himself without some ugly lewd rumour being repeated as fact.

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Post by Didge on Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:17 pm

Original Quill wrote:"He hanged himself."  In a chair?  Not your normal suicide.  If you are intent on suicide, just find something to throw a rope over and jump.  The elaborateness of the scene suggested to investigators that something else was going on.

"He was found fully clothed."  So says the personal assistant, but family/friends always try to alter the scene to avoid embarrassment.  Moreover, the quickness/gratuitousness with which the PA came up with this factoid (fully clothed), is what prompted the investigators to question things in the first place.

It's speculation either way.  Lots of people get depressed, I'm sure some from LBD.  But that's only suggestive of a motive, hardly conclusive.  It's an assumption to even call it a suicide.  An equally plausible motive is that creative people find creative ways to masturbate.    Given the weirdness of the scene--which has yet to be explained--and frequency/commonality of auto-erotic asphyxiation deaths that police see, it's a toss up.


1) Plain gibberish. Many people suicidal formulate plans on how to kill themselves and go over this and even try many times to do this. Failing to do so. To say the assumption it was elaborate, psychologically, shows you have no understanding of suicidal people. To say the more elaborate, then means foul play, is pure gibberish. There has to be many other factors to then even consider foul play. You as a judge should know that.

2) Is personal media opinion. Is it really what made investigators questions this and if they did, does it actually mean anything?

3) Your last points are mostly sound, except claiming something is wierd about the scene, based on frequency is silly. As there is always a first for anything or that its not common

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Post by Syl on Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:33 pm

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Syl wrote:Micheal Hutchence and James Carradine were allegedly playing choking games with themselves too.
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Yes but Robin Williams’ death never mentioned sex games.

Possibly because he wasn't playing any....Quill likes to repeat rumour as fact.

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Post by magica on Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:41 pm

Wasn't James Carradine found in a cupboard, if so why go in there. How do they know he wasn't killed.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:44 pm

Syl wrote:Micheal Hutchence and James Carradine were allegedly playing choking games with themselves too.
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Michael Hutchence's death was ruled a suicide. It was Paula Yates who said it was a sex game gone wrong.

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Raggamuffin wrote:
Syl wrote:Micheal Hutchence and James Carradine were allegedly playing choking games with themselves too.
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Michael Hutchence's death was ruled a suicide. It was Paula Yates who said it was a sex game gone wrong.

But wasn’t he found hanging and naked?

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Post by Syl on Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:23 pm

eddie wrote:
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Michael Hutchence's death was ruled a suicide. It was Paula Yates who said it was a sex game gone wrong.

But wasn’t he found hanging and naked?

He was, his brother also suspected at the time he was playing some sort of sex game.
Paula Yates also claimed they had played similar games together.

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Syl wrote:
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Raggamuffin wrote:

Michael Hutchence's death was ruled a suicide. It was Paula Yates who said it was a sex game gone wrong.

But wasn’t he found hanging and naked?

He was, his brother also suspected at the time he was playing some sort of sex game.
Paula Yates also claimed they had played similar games together.

Why can’t people just like the kind of sex where they don’t have to worry about dying?

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eddie wrote:
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He was, his brother also suspected at the time he was playing some sort of sex game.
Paula Yates also claimed they had played similar games together.

Why can’t people just like the kind of sex where they don’t have to worry about dying?

No risk I suppose, unless you fall out of bed like Lesley Ash.

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Post by eddie on Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:38 pm

Syl wrote:
eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:

He was, his brother also suspected at the time he was playing some sort of sex game.
Paula Yates also claimed they had played similar games together.

Why can’t people just like the kind of sex where they don’t have to worry about dying?

No risk I suppose, unless you fall out of bed like Lesley Ash.

Hahahaha didn’t she do something utterly terrible to her lips? Her facial ones I mean....thought I’d be clear on that seeing as we’re discussing sex.

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Post by Syl on Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:39 pm

She did....hers was one of the original trout pouts...daft because she was so pretty before.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:06 pm

Didge wrote:Many people suicidal formulate plans on how to kill themselves and go over this and even try many times to do this. Failing to do so. To say the assumption it was elaborate, psychologically, shows you have no understanding of suicidal people.

I'm so glad to talk to someone who knows people who committed suicide. I trust you didn't try to talk 'em out of it, cause it would ruin the mood. Rolling Eyes

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