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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:18 am

Ian Calderon wants restaurateurs to think long and hard before giving you a straw.

Calderon, the Democratic majority leader in California's lower house, has introduced a bill to stop sit-down restaurants from offering customers straws with their beverages unless they specifically request one. Under Calderon's law, a waiter who serves a drink with an unrequested straw in it would face up to 6 months in jail and a fine of up to $1,000.

"We need to create awareness around the issue of one-time use plastic straws and its detrimental effects on our landfills, waterways, and oceans," Calderon explained in a press release.

This isn't just Calderon's crusade. The California cities of San Luis Obispo and Davis both passed straws-on-request laws last year, and Manhattan Beach maintains a prohibition on all disposable plastics. And up in Seattle, food service businesses won't be allowed to offer plastic straws or utensils as of July.

The Los Angeles Times has gotten behind the movement, endorsing straws-on-request policies in an editorial that also warned that "repetitive sucking may cause or exacerbate wrinkles on the lips or around the mouth." Celebrity astronomer Neil DeGrasse Tyson (always up for a little chiding) and Entourage star Adrian Grenier have appeared in videos where an octopus slaps them in the face for using a plastic straw.

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I can see it now. SWAT raids against people bootlegging straws. Rolling Eyes

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:17 am

a good policy, save the straws for those that want to pollute the waterways Smile

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Post by Cass on Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:17 am

Unless you have a disability, there really is no need for plastic straws. If you are concerned about children, bring their own reusable sippy cups.

Good. The ocean and landfills are full of crap.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:20 am

Cass wrote:Unless you have a disability, there really is no need for plastic straws. If you are concerned about children, bring their own reusable sippy cups.

Good. The ocean and landfills are full of crap.

I may have a mental disability or two, but I never use straws.


I still think adults should be able to figure this out with the threat of fines. First world problems eh?

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Post by Cass on Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:31 am

Maddog wrote:
Cass wrote:Unless you have a disability, there really is no need for plastic straws. If you are concerned about children, bring their own reusable sippy cups.

Good. The ocean and landfills are full of crap.

I may have a mental disability or two, but I never use straws.  


I still think adults should be able to figure this out with the threat of fines.  First world problems eh?

I meant physical disabilities.

If this is what it takes to make people aware of how to be more aware of protecting this planet then so be it.

It’s the whole world’s problem.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:34 am

Cass wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I may have a mental disability or two, but I never use straws.  


I still think adults should be able to figure this out with the threat of fines.  First world problems eh?

I meant physical disabilities.

If this is what it takes to make people aware of how to be more aware of protecting this planet then so be it.

It’s the whole world’s problem.

Maybe we could put them in reeducation camps? Wink

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Post by Cass on Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:37 am

Maddog wrote:
Cass wrote:

I meant physical disabilities.

If this is what it takes to make people aware of how to be more aware of protecting this planet then so be it.

It’s the whole world’s problem.

Maybe we could put them in reeducation camps?  Wink

Nah that would cost way more money.

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Cass wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Maybe we could put them in reeducation camps?  Wink

Nah that would cost way more money.

But think of how effective they would be. And they shouldn't cost any more than jails.

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Post by Cass on Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:43 am

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Nah that would cost way more money.

But think of how effective they would be.  And they shouldn't cost any more than jails.  

Only if they taught the asshats how to use a turn signal properly as well. Then I might consider it.

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Cass wrote:
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But think of how effective they would be.  And they shouldn't cost any more than jails.  

Only if they taught the asshats how to use a turn signal properly as well. Then I might consider it.

Now you sound like my mother. She is obsessed with people using their blinker.

Maybe it's a female thing?

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Post by Cass on Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:48 am

Maddog wrote:
Cass wrote:

Only if they taught the asshats how to use a turn signal properly as well. Then I might consider it.

Now you sound like my mother.  She is obsessed with people using their blinker.  

Maybe it's a female thing?

No I know plenty of guys, a lot of them bikers who agree.

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Cass wrote:
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Now you sound like my mother.  She is obsessed with people using their blinker.  

Maybe it's a female thing?

No I know plenty of guys, a lot of them bikers who agree.

I just ignore people when I drive. I don't assume a blinker or lack thereof means anything. Knock on wood I drive 40K a year and haven't been hit in decades.

Now my mom..............

I took her keys. Smile

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:44 am

Cool

And while they're at it, they should stop those filthy braindead scumbag cigarette smokers from polluting our streets, waterways and countryside...

Let's just consider some of the contributuons that public smokers make to our world :

Air pollution;
Waterways pollution;
Visual pollution;
Bushfires;
Health :  Some hospitals will see around 20--30% of admissions being related to tobacco (lung cancer, mouth cancers, brain cancer, stomach cancer, heart disease, strokes, house fires..) --  while taxes on cigarettes cover less than half their total social costs;
And :  not forgetting them dropping their spit-infested butts ==  Hep A, Hep C, flus and colds..

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:05 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Cool

And while they're at it, they should stop those filthy braindead scumbag cigarette smokers from polluting our streets, waterways and countryside...

Let's just consider some of the contributuons that public smokers make to our world :

Air pollution;
Waterways pollution;
Visual pollution;
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And :  not forgetting them dropping their spit-infested butts ==  Hep A, Hep C, flus and colds..

Yes, throw them in the gulag comrade!!!

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Cass wrote:It’s the whole world’s problem.

That statement is the antithesis of what a libertarian believes. The libertarian believes there are no common problems, nor common missions, as everything is down to the individual and his 'property'.

Shame Cass...that is a tacit statement that we are all it the same boat. We? Together? Common problems? Those are socialist ideas!

Better to go our own separate ways, rip each other off and build monopolies, like good capitalists.

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Original Quill wrote:
Cass wrote:It’s the whole world’s problem.

That statement is the antithesis of what a libertarian believes.  The libertarian believes there are no common problems, nor common missions, as everything is down to the individual and his 'property'.

Shame Cass...that is a tacit statement that we are all it the same boat.  We?  Together?  Common problems?  Those are socialist ideas!

Better to go our own separate ways, rip each other off and build monopolies, like good capitalists.

A libertarian can support bans on things that harm others.

Here is an example. Throwing a straw out of your car window is littering. It can be deemed harmful to others . However mere possession is not harmful to anyone.

Maybe you can see the difference, but I'm doubtful. Wink

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:45 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

That statement is the antithesis of what a libertarian believes.  The libertarian believes there are no common problems, nor common missions, as everything is down to the individual and his 'property'.

Shame Cass...that is a tacit statement that we are all it the same boat.  We?  Together?  Common problems?  Those are socialist ideas!

Better to go our own separate ways, rip each other off and build monopolies, like good capitalists.

A libertarian can support bans on things that harm others.  

Here is an example.  Throwing a straw out of your car window is littering. It can be deemed harmful to others . However mere possession is not harmful to anyone.  

Maybe you can see the difference, but I'm doubtful.  Wink

That's not the question I was discussing.

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Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:

A libertarian can support bans on things that harm others.  

Here is an example.  Throwing a straw out of your car window is littering. It can be deemed harmful to others . However mere possession is not harmful to anyone.  

Maybe you can see the difference, but I'm doubtful.  Wink

That's not the question I was discussing.

Let me simplify it for you. You're a fucking adult. Use a straw, don't use a straw. Shove the straw up your ass, I don't give a shit.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:32 am

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

That's not the question I was discussing.

Let me simplify it for you. You're a fucking adult. Use a straw, don't use a straw. Shove the straw up your ass, I don't give a shit.  

Interesting perspective.

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Post by Maddog on Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:59 am

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Let me simplify it for you. You're a fucking adult. Use a straw, don't use a straw. Shove the straw up your ass, I don't give a shit.  

Interesting perspective.

I'm a simple man.

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Post by veya_victaous on Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:54 am

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:
Cass wrote:It’s the whole world’s problem.

That statement is the antithesis of what a libertarian believes.  The libertarian believes there are no common problems, nor common missions, as everything is down to the individual and his 'property'.

Shame Cass...that is a tacit statement that we are all it the same boat.  We?  Together?  Common problems?  Those are socialist ideas!

Better to go our own separate ways, rip each other off and build monopolies, like good capitalists.

A libertarian can support bans on things that harm others.  

Here is an example.  Throwing a straw out of your car window is littering. It can be deemed harmful to others . However mere possession is not harmful to anyone.  

Maybe you can see the difference, but I'm doubtful.  Wink

Unless you think there is a magic hole that makes waste plastics disappear, that we can put the straw into?
there really isn't that much difference, just where the straw pollutes

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:22 am

Maddog wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Cool

And while they're at it, they should stop those filthy braindead scumbag cigarette smokers from polluting our streets, waterways and countryside...

Let's just consider some of the contributuons that public smokers make to our world :

Air pollution;
Waterways pollution;
Visual pollution;
Bushfires;
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And :  not forgetting them dropping their spit-infested butts ==  Hep A, Hep C, flus and colds..

Yes, throw them in the gulag comrade!!!

Cool

Yep...

And just near your neighbourhood should be the ideal location for the projected 'US Tobacco Polluters Gulag and Re-education Project'..

You know it makes sense !

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Maddog wrote:
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That's not the question I was discussing.

Let me simplify it for you. You're a fucking adult. Use a straw, don't use a straw. Shove the straw up your ass, I don't give a shit.  

What a Face

"Shoving a straw up your ass.." sounds just like something a dedicated hardcore 'Libertarian' would be doing on a Friday night...

"It's my straw, and I will shove it where I like  !"

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Post by Maddog on Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:39 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Let me simplify it for you. You're a fucking adult. Use a straw, don't use a straw. Shove the straw up your ass, I don't give a shit.  

What a Face

"Shoving a straw up your ass.." sounds just like something a dedicated hardcore 'Libertarian' would be doing on a Friday night...

"It's my straw, and I will shove it where I like  !"


Well, I was out riding my bike and having a few beers.  Now, since I support freedom I'm perfectly fine with you doing what you like with your straw and your ass. As well as the ass of any consenting adult.  Wink

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Post by Maddog on Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:44 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Maddog wrote:

A libertarian can support bans on things that harm others.  

Here is an example.  Throwing a straw out of your car window is littering. It can be deemed harmful to others . However mere possession is not harmful to anyone.  

Maybe you can see the difference, but I'm doubtful.  Wink

Unless you think there is a magic hole that makes waste plastics disappear, that we can put the straw into?
there really isn't that much difference, just where the straw pollutes

Then don't use a straw Veya. I don't know how I can explain to you how absolutely little I care how you drink your fucking drinks. Drinking them out of a kangaroo skull for all I care.

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Post by Vintage on Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:57 pm

Bring your own washable re usable straw, just like your reusable coffee cup?
Mac D's and KFC - take your own plate, glass and reusable straw.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:40 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
A libertarian can support bans on things that harm others.  

Here is an example.  Throwing a straw out of your car window is littering. It can be deemed harmful to others . However mere possession is not harmful to anyone.  

Maybe you can see the difference, but I'm doubtful.  Wink


Unless you think there is a magic hole that makes waste plastics disappear, that we can put the straw into?
there really isn't that much difference, just where the straw pollutes

Smile

Too true, that veya...

It's those Libertarian "beggar thy neighbour", don't care/don't want to know, free market/"laissez faire" attitudes that have created the problems of the Pacific Ocean plastic rubbish dumps, litter and butts in the streets and waterways, air  and water pollution, toxic waste dumps, deforrestation, France nuking the fuck out of the South Pacific rather than the Frogs' own countryside..

And as Maddog's comments on some of these recent threads demonstrate, his "do no harm" mantra is largely worthless if only applied selectively.

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Post by Maddog on Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:42 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

Unless you think there is a magic hole that makes waste plastics disappear, that we can put the straw into?
there really isn't that much difference, just where the straw pollutes

Smile

Too true, that  veya...

It's those Libertarian "beggar thy neighbour", don't care/don't want to know, free market/"laissez faire" attitudes that have created the problems of the Pacific Ocean plastic rubbish dumps, litter and butts in the streets and waterways, air  and water pollution, toxic waste dumps, deforrestation, France nuking the fuck out of the South Pacific rather than the Frogs' own countryside..

And as Maddog's comments on some of these recent threads demonstrate, his "do no harm" mantra is largely worthless if only applied selectively.

Last time I checked, it's legal to manufacture and sell plastic straws. I don't see an issue with possession of a legal product Wink

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Say hello to the Great Pacific Garbage Patch--






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Original Quill wrote:Say hello to the Great Pacific Garbage Patch--






Don't be an ass and litter. Wink

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Original Quill wrote:Say hello to the Great Pacific Garbage Patch--






Don't be an ass and litter.  Wink

How's that been goin' so far?

Good luck with that...

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Post by Maddog on Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:32 pm

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Maddog wrote:

Don't be an ass and litter.  Wink

How's that been goin' so far?  

Good luck with that...

Been going fine for me. I'm not an ass. Wink

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:23 am

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Say hello to the Great Pacific Garbage Patch--






Don't be an ass and litter.  Wink

Smile

Note the relative positions of those plastic garbage dumps...

Two affect North America, two affect South America, two affect Australia, one affects S.E. Asia and another the Indian sub-continent, and two affecting southern and eastern African countries..

Any wonder that this pollution doesn't seem to be on the radar for northern European, northern African, Middle Eastern, or former--Soviet countries, nor the residents of many 'global' cities, even though they all contribute to this mess ?

"Out of sight,  out of mind.."

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:29 am

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

Unless you think there is a magic hole that makes waste plastics disappear, that we can put the straw into?
there really isn't that much difference, just where the straw pollutes

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Too true, that  veya...

It's those Libertarian "beggar thy neighbour", don't care/don't want to know, free market/"laissez faire" attitudes that have created the problems of the Pacific Ocean plastic rubbish dumps, litter and butts in the streets and waterways, air  and water pollution, toxic waste dumps, deforrestation, France nuking the fuck out of the South Pacific rather than the Frogs' own countryside..

And as Maddog's comments on some of these recent threads demonstrate, his "do no harm" mantra is largely worthless if only applied selectively.

Last time I checked, it's legal to manufacture and sell plastic straws. I don't see an issue with possession of a legal product   Wink

Isn't the point of the OP that they are TRYING to restrict them? (for the Obvious sensible Reason that the Planet is polluted)
A wheelchair is Legal too, but it doesn't mean that Able bodied people are encouraged to use them.

And typical self-centred geranium, doesn't see/care what the impact beyond their own Sucking... doesn't give a damn for the environment or future impacts

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:35 am

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Don't be an ass and litter.  Wink

How's that been goin' so far?  

Good luck with that...

Been going fine for me.  I'm not an ass.  Wink

you sure seem to be an ass Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
Cause NO it's not going fine Suspect Suspect Suspect
You accuse Quill of not living in the USA, you seem to not live on this Planet

So where is this Magic hole that can make plastic pollution disappear?
did you think the Merely Putting it in the Bin made it magically vanish?

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:46 am

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Original Quill wrote:
How's that been goin' so far?  

Good luck with that...

Been going fine for me.  I'm not an ass.  Wink

pirat

@ Maddog :

You may not be a donkey...

But you do seem to enjoy making an arse of yourself..

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Post by eddie on Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:13 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Cool

And while they're at it, they should stop those filthy braindead scumbag cigarette smokers from polluting our streets, waterways and countryside...

Let's just consider some of the contributuons that public smokers make to our world :

Air pollution;
Waterways pollution;
Visual pollution;
Bushfires;
Health :  Some hospitals will see around 20--30% of admissions being related to tobacco (lung cancer, mouth cancers, brain cancer, stomach cancer, heart disease, strokes, house fires..) --  while taxes on cigarettes cover less than half their total social costs;
And :  not forgetting them dropping their spit-infested butts ==  Hep A, Hep C, flus and colds..

So you want to stop people smoking? Perhaps you should consider that food packaging and plastic bottles are the worst offenders for damaging the environment (and health!).

Going by your logic we should stop people eating and drinking too.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:22 pm

eddie wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Cool

And while they're at it, they should stop those filthy braindead scumbag cigarette smokers from polluting our streets, waterways and countryside...

Let's just consider some of the contributuons that public smokers make to our world :

Air pollution;
Waterways pollution;
Visual pollution;
Bushfires;
Health :  Some hospitals will see around 20--30% of admissions being related to tobacco (lung cancer, mouth cancers, brain cancer, stomach cancer, heart disease, strokes, house fires..) --  while taxes on cigarettes cover less than half their total social costs;
And :  not forgetting them dropping their spit-infested butts ==  Hep A, Hep C, flus and colds..

So you want to stop people smoking?  Perhaps you should consider that food packaging and plastic  bottles are the worst offenders for damaging the environment (and health!).

Going by your logic we should stop people eating and drinking too.

Some people are control freaks. It's in their nature. Wink

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Post by Maddog on Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:29 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Last time I checked, it's legal to manufacture and sell plastic straws. I don't see an issue with possession of a legal product   Wink

Isn't the point of the OP that they are TRYING to restrict them? (for the Obvious sensible Reason that the Planet is polluted)
A wheelchair is Legal too, but it doesn't mean that Able bodied people are encouraged to use them.

And typical self-centred geranium, doesn't see/care what the impact beyond their own Sucking... doesn't give a damn for the environment or future impacts

Why do you care about who uses a wheelchair? You sure spend a lot of time worrying about what other people do.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:02 pm

Anarchists use the concept of freedom to avoid responsibility.  There are two consequences of doing away with government: 1) no one is constraining you; 2) in the absence of constraints, there is a vacuum in which one can create constraints on others.

That is called 'private property'--the one area where anarchists want rules.  So they become libertarians ... anarchists with rules protecting only their own interests--ie, private property.  And they use private property to constrain others, economically as well as physically.  That is the meaning of my signature, below: "anarchists who want police protection from their slaves."

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Post by Maddog on Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:33 pm

Original Quill wrote:Anarchists use the concept of freedom to avoid responsibility.  There are two consequences of doing away with government: 1) no one is constraining you; 2) in the absence of constraints, there is a vacuum in which one can create constraints on others.

That is called 'private property'--the one area where anarchists want rules.  So they become libertarians ... anarchists with rules protecting only their own interests--ie, private property.  And they use private property to constrain others, economically as well as physically.  That is the meaning of my signature, below: "anarchists who want police protection from their slaves."

Yeah. Having a waiter ask you if you would like a straw is fucking anarchy. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:48 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Anarchists use the concept of freedom to avoid responsibility.  There are two consequences of doing away with government: 1) no one is constraining you; 2) in the absence of constraints, there is a vacuum in which one can create constraints on others.

That is called 'private property'--the one area where anarchists want rules.  So they become libertarians ... anarchists with rules protecting only their own interests--ie, private property.  And they use private property to constrain others, economically as well as physically.  That is the meaning of my signature, below: "anarchists who want police protection from their slaves."

Yeah. Having a waiter ask you if you would like a straw is fucking anarchy.  Rolling Eyes

Don't like the big picture, eh?  I understand why you remain in the world of jabs and barbs.

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Yeah. Having a waiter ask you if you would like a straw is fucking anarchy.  Rolling Eyes

Don't like the big picture, eh?  I understand why you remain in the world of jabs and barbs.

If you can't pee in the tall grass, you can't run with the big dogs.

Would you like a straw?

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Post by eddie on Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:15 pm

Hahahahaha that was funny.

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eddie wrote:Hahahahaha that was funny.

That wasn't funny. Rolling Eyes That is just a shithole who has no response...can't reason...and needs something to say to save him from embarrassment. He thinks he's being cryptic, but the fact is he is just speechless and is trying to hide it.

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eddie wrote:Hahahahaha that was funny.

That wasn't funny.   Rolling Eyes   That is just a shithole who has no response...can't reason...and needs something to say to save him from embarrassment.  He thinks he's being cryptic, but the fact is he is just speechless and is trying to hide it.

alien pirat Cool Laughing Shocked

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Post by eddie on Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:24 pm

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eddie wrote:Hahahahaha that was funny.

That wasn't funny.   Rolling Eyes   That is just a shithole who has no response...can't reason...and needs something to say to save him from embarrassment.  He thinks he's being cryptic, but the fact is he is just speechless and is trying to hide it.

I think it was the mention of the piss and the straw, I have a huge sense of humour and that was funny.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:28 pm

eddie wrote:
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That wasn't funny.   Rolling Eyes   That is just a shithole who has no response...can't reason...and needs something to say to save him from embarrassment.  He thinks he's being cryptic, but the fact is he is just speechless and is trying to hide it.

I think it was the mention of the piss and the straw, I have a huge sense of humour and that was funny.

My comment wasn't on your sense of humor. My comment was on Red's tactics to avoid admitting he has no answer. Laughing

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Post by Maddog on Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:12 pm

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I think it was the mention of the piss and the straw, I have a huge sense of humour and that was funny.

My comment wasn't on your sense of humor.  My comment was on Red's tactics to avoid admitting he has no answer.  Laughing

I have plenty of answers. Sometimes I don't feel the conversation justifies giving one. Cool

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:02 pm

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Last time I checked, it's legal to manufacture and sell plastic straws. I don't see an issue with possession of a legal product   Wink

Isn't the point of the OP that they are TRYING to restrict them? (for the Obvious sensible Reason that the Planet is polluted)
A wheelchair is Legal too, but it doesn't mean that Able bodied people are encouraged to use them.

And typical self-centred geranium, doesn't see/care what the impact beyond their own Sucking... doesn't give a damn for the environment or future impacts

Why do you care about who uses a wheelchair? You sure spend a lot of time worrying about what other people do.

and you seem concerned with nothing but your own tiny sphere. Bugger the Consequence for everyone else.

People like you are why we have the pollution that we have, for Humans to last even another 2 generations the selfish and self centred attitude of people yourself needs to be reversed.
I don't give a Fuck If a some Selfish Twat is too Dumb to care. tongue tongue tongue tongue

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