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Post by Maddog on Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:57 pm

SACRAMENTO -- With the reading of their own version of a Declaration of Independence, founders of the state of New California took the first steps to what they hope will eventually lead to statehood. CBS Sacramento reports they don't want to leave the United States, just California.

"Well, it's been ungovernable for a long time. High taxes, education, you name it, and we're rated around 48th or 50th from a business climate and standpoint in California," said founder Robert Paul Preston.

The state of New California would incorporate most of the state's rural counties, leaving the urban coastal counties to the current state of California.

"There's something wrong when you have a rural county such as this one, and you go down to Orange County which is mostly urban, and it has the same set of problems, and it happens because of how the state is being governed and taxed," Preston said.

But unlike other separation movements in the past, the state of New California wants to do things by the book, citing Article 4, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution and working with the state legislature to get it done, similar to the way West Virginia was formed.

"Yes. We have to demonstrate that we can govern ourselves before we are allowed to govern," said founder Tom Reed.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-california-declares-independence-from-rest-of-state/

Trouble in paradise?

It's a shame that it has come to this, but California is run by concentrations of strange city dwellers making decisions for everyone else.

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Post by Cass on Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:16 pm

Yeah good luck with that.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:25 pm

Idea

Having most of the land, but only a small fraction of the population,  this new "state" could have fun with some of that infrastructure that state taxes and local council taxes/rates usually finance...

Roads, water supply, schools, libraries, garbage and waste disposal, local health and environmental services, agricultural extension, etc., etc., etc..

Over here, the low population states depend on extra subsidies from the Federal guvm't to maintain expected standards of services.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:44 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Idea

Having most of the land, but only a small fraction of the population,  this new "state" could have fun with some of that infrastructure that state taxes and local council taxes/rates usually finance...

Roads, water supply, schools, libraries, garbage and waste disposal, local health and environmental services, agricultural extension, etc., etc., etc..

Over here, the low population states depend on extra subsidies from the Federal guvm't to maintain expected standards of services.

Wyoming, Montana and Idaho are doing just fine.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:45 pm

Cass wrote:Yeah good luck with that.

Imagine a flag with 51 stars. Wink

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:57 pm

Who cares about consequences.  How refreshing it would be to be disassociated from the American south.  No one in the American west wants to be associated with the south, and everything represented by Charlottesville.

Hallelujah, great god almighty, we is free at last.  The American south are tax takers, not givers...we would be so much better off without them.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:00 am

Original Quill wrote:Who cares about consequences.  How refreshing it would be to be disassociated from the American south.  No one in the American west wants to be associated with the south, and everything represented by Charlottesville.

Hallelujah, great god almighty, we is free at last.  The American south are tax takers, not givers...we would be so much better off without them.

Dude, they don't want to leave the US. They want to leave California. So you ever read the damn post?

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:10 am

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Original Quill wrote:Who cares about consequences.  How refreshing it would be to be disassociated from the American south.  No one in the American west wants to be associated with the south, and everything represented by Charlottesville.

Hallelujah, great god almighty, we is free at last.  The American south are tax takers, not givers...we would be so much better off without them.

Dude, they don't want to leave the US.  They want to leave California.  So you ever read the damn post?  

The American south is an embarrassment to the rest of the country, particularly the civilized parts like New England, New York, Illinois, together with Washington, Oregon and California.  Even the south was evolving until the Republican Party instituted its southern strategy.  The racism provides a platform for gaining votes for an otherwise privileged, exclusive base.  The party of special interests combines (and legitimizes) with the racist underbelly of the US.

Forward-looking persons realize it already; the rest will slowly transition when they are finally confronted with permanency of racism in the south.  But it's a personal decision for each and every individual.  It's never going to change.  Every year it worsens.  Add to that the fact that America is now not a nation of laws, but privileged oligarchs.  It's inevitable that they will come around.

BTW...Trump helps a lot.  Wink

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Maddog wrote:

Dude, they don't want to leave the US.  They want to leave California.  So you ever read the damn post?  

The American south is an embarrassment to the rest of the country, particularly the civilized parts like New England, New York, Illinois, together with Washington, Oregon and California.  Even the south was evolving until the Republican Party instituted its southern strategy.  The racism provides a platform for gaining votes for an otherwise privileged, exclusive base.  The party of special interests combines (and legitimizes) with the racist underbelly of the US.

Forward-looking persons realize it already; the rest will slowly transition when they are finally confronted with permanency of racism in the south.  But it's a personal decision for each and every individual.  It's never going to change.  Every year it worsens.  Add to that the fact that America is now not a nation of laws, but privileged oligarchs.  It's inevitable that they will come around.

BTW...Trump helps a lot.  Wink

Cool story bro.

Completely irrelevant to this thread though. Have you even read the OP?

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:39 am

California has always had its outback...rural parts, huge ranches, and small towns.  But as long as democracy prevails, they are in the minority.  All the votes are in the urban and suburban communities. You've got the second-largest SMSA in America in Los Angeles.  The Bay Area contains three huge cities.  San Diego is another large community, and Sacramento is growing.  The votes are not there, for anything like internal separation.

Now, external separation is quite viable.  California is the 6th largest economy in the world, and can support itself, and indeed other territories that want to join it.  It has no ideological affinity with the south or midwest.  (While it shares a common bond with the northeast, geography makes that combination impossible.)  It is poised and ready to make a move toward independence.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:44 am

Original Quill wrote:California has always had its outback...rural parts, huge ranches, and small towns.  But as long as democracy prevails, they are in the minority.  All the votes are in the urban and suburban communities.  You've got the second-largest SMSA in America in Los Angeles.  The Bay Area contains three huge cities.  San Diego is another large community, and Sacramento is growing.  The votes are not there, for anything like internal separation.

Now, external separation is quite viable.  California is the 6th largest economy in the world, and can support itself, and indeed other territories that want to join it.  It has no ideological affinity with the south or midwest.  (While it shares a common bond with the northeast, geography makes that combination impossible.)  It is poised and ready to make a move toward independence.

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It's legal for the state to divide. It's been done in the past. The part that wants to leave doesn't necessarily need the consent of those from which it wants to leave.

It's illegal for a state to leave the country. That's just fantasy talk at this point, something you are fairly adept at.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:00 am

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:California has always had its outback...rural parts, huge ranches, and small towns.  But as long as democracy prevails, they are in the minority.  All the votes are in the urban and suburban communities.  You've got the second-largest SMSA in America in Los Angeles.  The Bay Area contains three huge cities.  San Diego is another large community, and Sacramento is growing.  The votes are not there, for anything like internal separation.

Now, external separation is quite viable.  California is the 6th largest economy in the world, and can support itself, and indeed other territories that want to join it.  It has no ideological affinity with the south or midwest.  (While it shares a common bond with the northeast, geography makes that combination impossible.)  It is poised and ready to make a move toward independence.

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It's legal for the state to divide. It's been done in the past.  The part that wants to leave doesn't necessarily need the consent of those from which it wants to leave.  

No question, but they need votes.  Fact is, the sentiment isn't there.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:18 pm

Maddog wrote:SACRAMENTO -- With the reading of their own version of a Declaration of Independence, founders of the state of New California took the first steps to what they hope will eventually lead to statehood. CBS Sacramento reports they don't want to leave the United States, just California.

"Well, it's been ungovernable for a long time. High taxes, education, you name it, and we're rated around 48th or 50th from a business climate and standpoint in California," said founder Robert Paul Preston.

The state of New California would incorporate most of the state's rural counties, leaving the urban coastal counties to the current state of California.

"There's something wrong when you have a rural county such as this one, and you go down to Orange County which is mostly urban, and it has the same set of problems, and it happens because of how the state is being governed and taxed," Preston said.

But unlike other separation movements in the past, the state of New California wants to do things by the book, citing Article 4, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution and working with the state legislature to get it done, similar to the way West Virginia was formed.

"Yes. We have to demonstrate that we can govern ourselves before we are allowed to govern," said founder Tom Reed.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-california-declares-independence-from-rest-of-state/

Trouble in paradise?

It's a shame that it has come to this, but California is run by concentrations of strange city dwellers making decisions for everyone else.
where would california get it's water from as isn't much of it taken from out of state?

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:19 pm

Original Quill wrote:Who cares about consequences.  How refreshing it would be to be disassociated from the American south.  No one in the American west wants to be associated with the south, and everything represented by Charlottesville.

Hallelujah, great god almighty, we is free at last.  The American south are tax takers, not givers...we would be so much better off without them.
you dont like them black folks do you.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:20 pm

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Dude, they don't want to leave the US.  They want to leave California.  So you ever read the damn post?  

The American south is an embarrassment to the rest of the country, particularly the civilized parts like New England, New York, Illinois, together with Washington, Oregon and California.  Even the south was evolving until the Republican Party instituted its southern strategy.  The racism provides a platform for gaining votes for an otherwise privileged, exclusive base.  The party of special interests combines (and legitimizes) with the racist underbelly of the US.

Forward-looking persons realize it already; the rest will slowly transition when they are finally confronted with permanency of racism in the south.  But it's a personal decision for each and every individual.  It's never going to change.  Every year it worsens.  Add to that the fact that America is now not a nation of laws, but privileged oligarchs.  It's inevitable that they will come around.

BTW...Trump helps a lot.  Wink
ah yes those white elite areas are so much much better aren't they.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:57 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Maddog wrote:SACRAMENTO -- With the reading of their own version of a Declaration of Independence, founders of the state of New California took the first steps to what they hope will eventually lead to statehood. CBS Sacramento reports they don't want to leave the United States, just California.

"Well, it's been ungovernable for a long time. High taxes, education, you name it, and we're rated around 48th or 50th from a business climate and standpoint in California," said founder Robert Paul Preston.

The state of New California would incorporate most of the state's rural counties, leaving the urban coastal counties to the current state of California.

"There's something wrong when you have a rural county such as this one, and you go down to Orange County which is mostly urban, and it has the same set of problems, and it happens because of how the state is being governed and taxed," Preston said.

But unlike other separation movements in the past, the state of New California wants to do things by the book, citing Article 4, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution and working with the state legislature to get it done, similar to the way West Virginia was formed.

"Yes. We have to demonstrate that we can govern ourselves before we are allowed to govern," said founder Tom Reed.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-california-declares-independence-from-rest-of-state/

Trouble in paradise?

It's a shame that it has come to this, but California is run by concentrations of strange city dwellers making decisions for everyone else.
where would california get it's water from as isn't much of it taken from out of state?

It would still be part of the US, it would just be divided into two states. The rural area would gladly sell water to the rest of the state. Same way electricity is handled. The West is all on one grid.

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Post by Cass on Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:05 pm

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where would california get it's water from as isn't much of it taken from out of state?

It would still be part of the US, it would just be divided into two states. The rural area would gladly sell water to the rest of the state. Same way electricity is handled. The West is all on one grid.

Deano (hi btw), check out how West Virginia was formed.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:42 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

The American south is an embarrassment to the rest of the country, particularly the civilized parts like New England, New York, Illinois, together with Washington, Oregon and California.  Even the south was evolving until the Republican Party instituted its southern strategy.  The racism provides a platform for gaining votes for an otherwise privileged, exclusive base.  The party of special interests combines (and legitimizes) with the racist underbelly of the US.

Forward-looking persons realize it already; the rest will slowly transition when they are finally confronted with permanency of racism in the south.  But it's a personal decision for each and every individual.  It's never going to change.  Every year it worsens.  Add to that the fact that America is now not a nation of laws, but privileged oligarchs.  It's inevitable that they will come around.

BTW...Trump helps a lot.  Wink
ah yes those white elite areas are so much much better aren't they.

Mostly Hispanic, Dean. That's what all this immigration hub-bub is all about. Hispanics all vote Democratic. Republicans want to remove as many of them as possible.

Texas is next.

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ah yes those white elite areas are so much much better aren't they.

Mostly Hispanic, Dean.  That's what all this immigration hub-bub is all about.  Hispanics all vote Democratic.  Republicans want to remove as many of them as possible.

Texas is next.

All Hispanics vote Democratic?

Does than mean Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio voted for Hillary? Rolling Eyes




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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:30 pm

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Mostly Hispanic, Dean.  That's what all this immigration hub-bub is all about.  Hispanics all vote Democratic.  Republicans want to remove as many of them as possible.

Texas is next.

All Hispanics vote Democratic?

Does than mean Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio voted for Hillary?  Rolling Eyes

Cruz is a Canadian.  Rubio is Cuban.  But you can't generalize from specifics.  Wiki notes:

Wiki wrote:Support for the Democratic Party among Hispanics has remained strong because of the Democratic Party's platform of less immigration restrictions, civil rights for Hispanics, and support for social programs that tend to benefit low-income Hispanic families.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_and_Latino_American_politics_in_the_United_States

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All Hispanics vote Democratic?

Does than mean Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio voted for Hillary?  Rolling Eyes

Cruz is a Canadian.  Rubio is Cuban.  But you can't generalize from specifics.  Wiki notes:

Wiki wrote:Support for the Democratic Party among Hispanics has remained strong because of the Democratic Party's platform of less immigration restrictions, civil rights for Hispanics, and support for social programs that tend to benefit low-income Hispanic families.



A majority of Hispanics vote democratic. That's not what you said, and Cruz and Rubio are Hispanic, because it's not a matter of where you are born.

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Quill wrote: Hispanics all vote Democratic.

Wrong again, based on your own correction. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:43 pm

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Cruz is a Canadian.  Rubio is Cuban.  But you can't generalize from specifics.  Wiki notes:





A majority of Hispanics vote democratic. That's not what you said, and Cruz and Rubio are Hispanic, because it's not a matter of where you are born.  

Semantic argument.  I also said you can't generalize from specifics.  Hispanic voters tend to vote Democratic.

Why do you think Republicans are against immigration...in particular, Mexicans?  



They wish to reduce the Hispanic voter block.

Texas is next.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:38 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
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Who cares about consequences.  How refreshing it would be to be disassociated from the American south.  No one in the American west wants to be associated with the south, and everything represented by Charlottesville.

Hallelujah, great god almighty, we is free at last.  The American south are tax takers, not givers...we would be so much better off without them.

you dont like them black folks do you.

Rolling Eyes

Typical Deano...

Returns after a few weeks absence, and straight back into the racist trash-talking..

Can't help yourself, can you !

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Texas is a big state...

It could split into two new states as well..

Then the USA could have 52 states --  one for each week of the year  !

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Post by Maddog on Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:51 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Texas is a big state...

It could split into two new states as well..

Then the USA could have 52 states --  one for each week of the year  !

Actually, we could split into 5. But we don't have the dramatic differences in areas, not yet anyway. Dallas, Austin and Houston are our liberal areas. They really couldn't be split off well either, because of the way they are separated from each other. And where Ben and I live is fairly conservative, a large urban area and only 30 mile from Dallas. In fact, some of the most conservative areas are just outside of Dallas and fairly well populated. Nope, Texas is nothing like California, which is why so many companies and people are moving here.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:08 am

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There are a couple of state divisionist/separatist (i.e. not "successionist"..) movements down here, as well  :

* New South Wales --  some people would like to see the resource-rich northern and western parts divorced from the money-grubbing Sydney-centric state guvm'nt;     while, north of the border..

*  Queensland --  also has a few rural folk who would like to the northern and "Far North Queensland" areas become a separate state.

In both cases, both new states would likely have bigger populations than either Tassie or WA;  while a Northern NSW could have the 3rd or 4th biggest state economy ..

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Re: New California

Post by Original Quill on Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:50 am

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Original Quill wrote:Who cares about consequences.  How refreshing it would be to be disassociated from the American south.  No one in the American west wants to be associated with the south, and everything represented by Charlottesville.

Hallelujah, great god almighty, we is free at last.  The American south are tax takers, not givers...we would be so much better off without them.
you dont like them black folks do you.

I would hope the good black folk would move to California. What we don't like are the Charlottesville, neo-Nazis, white-supremacists that predominate in the south.

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The Devil, You Know wrote:
you dont like them black folks do you.

I would hope the good black folk would move to California.  What we don't like are the Charlottesville, neo-Nazis, white-supremacists that predominate in the south.

Who is "we"?

You already formed your cabinet El Presidente?

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:13 am

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Original Quill wrote:

I would hope the good black folk would move to California.  What we don't like are the Charlottesville, neo-Nazis, white-supremacists that predominate in the south.

Who is "we"?

You already formed your cabinet El Presidente?

It's more appropriate to ask who we are not.  We are not the KKK.  We are not white-supremacists.  We are not neo-Nazis.  We are not white-nationalists.  We are not racists.  We are not pro-gun.  We are not Jim Crow, voter suppressionist.

If you draw a line around all of those things, curiously you will be drawing the boundaries of the American south.  That is what we are not.  Look at it this way: it's the inverse of the civil war.  We would like to isolate the south, loosen the lines and cast them off.

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Re: New California

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Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Who is "we"?

You already formed your cabinet El Presidente?

It's more appropriate to ask who we are not.  We are not the KKK.  We are not white-supremacists.  We are not neo-Nazis.  We are not white-nationalists.  We are not racists.  We are not pro-gun.  We are not Jim Crow, voter suppressionist.

If you draw a line around all of those things, curiously you will be drawing the boundaries of the American south.  That is what we are not.  Look at it this way: it's the inverse of the civil war.  We would like to isolate the south, loosen the lines and cast them off.

California has plenty of hate groups El Presidente. Rolling Eyes

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Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

It's more appropriate to ask who we are not.  We are not the KKK.  We are not white-supremacists.  We are not neo-Nazis.  We are not white-nationalists.  We are not racists.  We are not pro-gun.  We are not Jim Crow, voter suppressionist.

If you draw a line around all of those things, curiously you will be drawing the boundaries of the American south.  That is what we are not.  Look at it this way: it's the inverse of the civil war.  We would like to isolate the south, loosen the lines and cast them off.

California has plenty of hate groups El Presidente.  Rolling Eyes

California is a big place, Red. We've even got some crackers, back in them hills ... just as the south has some good people. The trick is to sort them out, and recommend that they get to the right place. Crackers, head east; good folks, head to California. Laughing

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California has plenty of hate groups El Presidente.  Rolling Eyes

California is a big place, Red.  We've even got some crackers, back in them hills ... just as the south has some good people.  The trick is to sort them out, and recommend that they get to the right place.  Crackers, head east; good folks, head to California.  Laughing

Makes you wonder why so many black people have moved to the South eh? tongue

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:57 am

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

California is a big place, Red.  We've even got some crackers, back in them hills ... just as the south has some good people.  The trick is to sort them out, and recommend that they get to the right place.  Crackers, head east; good folks, head to California.  Laughing

Makes you wonder why so many black people have moved to the South eh?  tongue

Culture and tradition. I taught some race studies courses at Rutgers University, attended by many second-generation blacks. The sentiment seemed to be, they longed for the culture, but were afraid to return lest something happened to them like Walter Scott:



These incidents are what gave rise to Black Lives Matter. How can a mother or father long for the south when it puts your son's life in jeopardy?

The events of Trayvon Martin, and so many others, so recent in the southern death records, are creating a recent, but growing migration of blacks back to the north. Southern authorities want to exterminate them.

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Re: New California

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Maddog wrote:

Makes you wonder why so many black people have moved to the South eh?  tongue

Culture and tradition.  I taught some race studies courses at Rutgers University, attended by many second-generation blacks.  The sentiment seemed to be, they longed for the culture, but were afraid to return lest something happened to them like Walter Scott:



These incidents are what gave rise to Black Lives Matter.  How can a mother or father long for the south when it puts your son's life in jeopardy?

The events of Trayvon Martin, and so many others, so recent in the southern death records, are creating a recent, but growing migration of blacks back to the north.  Southern authorities want to exterminate them.

Rodney King?

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Yes, Rodney King. Southern ex-MP officers have infiltrated many departments, including even as far north as Minneapolis.

The authoritarian force is strong with southern people. They long to assert their control over blacks.

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Original Quill wrote:

Yes, Rodney King.  Southern ex-MP officers have infiltrated many departments, including even as far north as Minneapolis.

The authoritarian force is strong with southern people.  They long to assert their control over blacks.

Why would theses cops move to Cali El Presidente?

Surfing? tongue

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:22 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Yes, Rodney King.  Southern ex-MP officers have infiltrated many departments, including even as far north as Minneapolis.

The authoritarian force is strong with southern people.  They long to assert their control over blacks.

Why would theses cops move to Cali El Presidente?

Surfing?   tongue

Possibly. Since the end of wwII, loads of discharged soldiers, among them MP's, were dumped in California. Their military experience then qualified them for police work. Their children carried on in the profession.

It's a common tradition.

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Maddog wrote:

Why would theses cops move to Cali El Presidente?

Surfing?   tongue

Possibly.  Since the end of wwII, loads of discharged soldiers, among them MP's, were dumped in California.  Their military experience then qualified them for police work.  Their children carried on in the profession.

It's a common tradition.

Why wouldn't they go back to where people approve of them beating black folks?

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Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Possibly.  Since the end of wwII, loads of discharged soldiers, among them MP's, were dumped in California.  Their military experience then qualified them for police work.  Their children carried on in the profession.

It's a common tradition.

Why wouldn't they go back to where people approve of them beating black folks?

tongue

The fabulous popularity of California started at the end of WWII.  Ships off-loaded thousands upon thousands of soldiers and sailors, and many decided to stay there.

Many retired MP's and SP's did go back, or spread out to other cities.  But California's population boomed just after WWII, and many of them took jobs with California police departments.

As a result of illegal practices, the Oakland PD and Los Angeles PD are running under Federal Court receivership.  In part, OJ Simpson got off as a result of suspicions about Det. Mark Furman's reputation as a cop in South Central LA.

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