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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:18 pm

Julie Arnold, the woman at the centre of a landmark UK divorce ruling, is calling for updated laws around the splitting of assets.

And she makes an incredibly strong case.

Her ex-husband, Robin Sharp, cheated on her. He was then awarded a $4.6 million settlement: half of the couple's shared fortune – the bulk of which was reportedly earned by Arnold, a highly successful trader.

Arnold successfully contested the UK High Court ruling in June 2017. But even then, according to the Telegraph, Sharp (an IT consultant) received their $1.9 million house and an additional $1.5 million lump sum.

"It was still a lottery win, just for being with someone," Arnold told the Telegraph this week.

"If we’d stayed married, we would still have kept our finances separate and he would not have had his £2 million [$3.4 million]."

Arnold and Sharp were married for four years and had no children. During that time, Arnold earned more than $18 million in bonuses.

Despite her wish to end things immediately on finding out about Sharp's affair, divorce proceedings took a further four years – "just a further punishment for me," she told the Telegraph, "who had done nothing wrong."
It was unjust, she emphasised in her original challenge, that the law shared the results of her individual hard work with a partner who had contributed far less (to say nothing of doing her wrong).
The case posed an unprecedented challenge to the general principle of '50-50' divorce splits in the UK. (Division of assets under Australian law is a different matter.

British legal experts were divided. Some saw Arnold's victory as an important step for a system that wants to fairly represent modern relationships. Others suggested divorce cases are already riddled with personal variables, and trying to introduce broad rules of thumb based on specific cases is unhelpful.

Either way, Arnold herself is calling for further change.

"I was really disillusioned with the whole process," she told the Telegraph. "I really believed in the legal system and assumed justice would be served."

"All of this uncertainty puts people off getting married," she added.

http://www.msn.com/en-au/lifestyle/familyandrelationships/this-womans-husband-cheated-then-tried-to-take-half-their-fortune/ar-BBI46HG?li=AAgfLCP&ocid=ientp

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:19 pm




LOL she doesn't like the shoe on the other foot.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:26 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Julie Arnold, the woman at the centre of a landmark UK divorce ruling, is calling for updated laws around the splitting of assets.

And she makes an incredibly strong case.

Her ex-husband, Robin Sharp, cheated on her. He was then awarded a $4.6 million settlement: half of the couple's shared fortune – the bulk of which was reportedly earned by Arnold, a highly successful trader.

Arnold successfully contested the UK High Court ruling in June 2017. But even then, according to the Telegraph, Sharp (an IT consultant) received their $1.9 million house and an additional $1.5 million lump sum.

"It was still a lottery win, just for being with someone," Arnold told the Telegraph this week.

"If we’d stayed married, we would still have kept our finances separate and he would not have had his £2 million [$3.4 million]."

Arnold and Sharp were married for four years and had no children. During that time, Arnold earned more than $18 million in bonuses.

Despite her wish to end things immediately on finding out about Sharp's affair, divorce proceedings took a further four years – "just a further punishment for me," she told the Telegraph, "who had done nothing wrong."
 It was unjust, she emphasised in her original challenge, that the law shared the results of her individual hard work with a partner who had contributed far less (to say nothing of doing her wrong).
The case posed an unprecedented challenge to the general principle of '50-50' divorce splits in the UK. (Division of assets under Australian law is a different matter.

British legal experts were divided. Some saw Arnold's victory as an important step for a system that wants to fairly represent modern relationships. Others suggested divorce cases are already riddled with personal variables, and trying to introduce broad rules of thumb based on specific cases is unhelpful.

Either way, Arnold herself is calling for further change.

"I was really disillusioned with the whole process," she told the Telegraph. "I really believed in the legal system and assumed justice would be served."

"All of this uncertainty puts people off getting married," she added.

http://www.msn.com/en-au/lifestyle/familyandrelationships/this-womans-husband-cheated-then-tried-to-take-half-their-fortune/ar-BBI46HG?li=AAgfLCP&ocid=ientp

She's not beautiful, but I could handle being the new husband for 4 years with that kinda pay day. Wink

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Re: Woman Outraged by equal divorce settlement

Post by Syl on Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:05 am

Not sure what her looks have to do with anything.

I think she is right....She wasnt the one who broke the marriage vows, and she earned the bulk of the money  in the few short years they were together, why should her ex get half?

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Post by Maddog on Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:07 am

Syl wrote:Not sure whatt her looks have to do with anything.
I think she is right....She wasnt the one who broke the marriage vows, and she earned the bulk of the money  in the few short years they were together, why should her ex get half?

Nothing wrong with her looks.

Ex's in Texas always get half of all wealth accumulated during the marriage. It doesn't matter why the marriage ended.


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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:18 am

Syl wrote:Not sure what her looks have to do with anything.

I think she is right....She wasnt the one who broke the marriage vows, and she earned the bulk of the money  in the few short years they were together, why should her ex get half?

cause that is exactly what happens to men who's wives cheat on them Wink

it is entirely fair as part of 'no fault' divorce, they were married 4 years doesn't matter how or why it ended 50/50 split since there is no kids.

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Re: Woman Outraged by equal divorce settlement

Post by Syl on Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:22 am

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:Not sure whatt her looks have to do with anything.
I think she is right....She wasnt the one who broke the marriage vows, and she earned the bulk of the money  in the few short years they were together, why should her ex get half?

Nothing wrong with her looks.

Ex's in Texas always get half of all wealth accumulated during the marriage. It doesn't matter why the marriage ended.


You were the one who mentioned her looks.

Hopefully, as this divorce was in the UK good sense will prevail.
No children are involved to complicate the issue.

The first ruling was ridiculous (probably a woman hating judge) she won her appeal, and even that went right  in her ex' s favour.

Why should an adulterer walk awaay from a childless marriage set up for life witth money his/or her innocent ex earned?

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Post by Syl on Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:31 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Syl wrote:Not sure what her looks have to do with anything.

I think she is right....She wasnt the one who broke the marriage vows, and she earned the bulk of the money  in the few short years they were together, why should her ex get half?

cause that is exactly what happens to men who's wives cheat on them Wink

it is entirely fair as part of 'no fault' divorce, they were married 4 years doesn't matter how or why it ended 50/50 split since there is no kids.  

Not always by any means.

Taken from the GOV.UK site.

How the court splits assets.

The judge will decide on the division of assets based on how long you’ve been married or in a civil partnership, as well as your:

ages, ability to earn, property and money, living expenses, standard of livingr, role in the marriage or civil partnership, for example if you were the breadwinner or primary carer

The judge will decide on the fairest way to divide the assets if there are enough assets to meet everyone’s needs.

The judge will make arrangements for any children first - especially their housing arrangements andchild maintenance - if there isn’t enough.

The judge will usually try to arrange a ‘clean break’, so everything is shared out, and you no longer have any financial ties to one another."

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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:36 am

The judge will decide on the division of assets based on how long you’ve been married or in a civil partnership, as well as your:

ages, ability to earn, property and money, living expenses, standard of livingr, role in the marriage or civil partnership, for example if you were the breadwinner or primary carer

so based on the rules he should get more than half since he has a lower ability to earn and she was the bread winner.... that's what would happen if the genders where reversed Wink

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Post by Syl on Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:42 am

veya_victaous wrote:
The judge will decide on the division of assets based on how long you’ve been married or in a civil partnership, as well as your:

ages, ability to earn, property and money, living expenses, standard of livingr, role in the marriage or civil partnership, for example if you were the breadwinner or primary carer

so based on the rules he should get more than half since he has a lower ability to earn and she was the bread winner.... that's what would happen if the genders where reversed Wink

Being a lazy, scrounging adulterer shouldnt affect his ability to earn Veya. Wink
And if the genders were reversed and no children were involved the exact same should apply.

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Post by eddie on Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:45 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Syl wrote:Not sure what her looks have to do with anything.

I think she is right....She wasnt the one who broke the marriage vows, and she earned the bulk of the money  in the few short years they were together, why should her ex get half?

cause that is exactly what happens to men who's wives cheat on them Wink

it is entirely fair as part of 'no fault' divorce, they were married 4 years doesn't matter how or why it ended 50/50 split since there is no kids.  

Totally agree. Women can't have it both ways.

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Post by Cass on Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:52 am

If you’re concerned get a prenuptial. Then again, if you’re that concerned why bother getting married in the first place?

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Post by eddie on Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:54 am

Cass wrote:If you’re concerned get a prenuptial. Then again, if you’re that concerned why bother getting married in the first place?

Exactement.
And! Perhaps she was a real bitch within the marriage? There's normally a reason why people feel the need to cheat.

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Post by Syl on Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:57 am

eddie wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

cause that is exactly what happens to men who's wives cheat on them Wink

it is entirely fair as part of 'no fault' divorce, they were married 4 years doesn't matter how or why it ended 50/50 split since there is no kids.  

Totally agree. Women can't have it both ways.

Two wrongs dont make a right.

Obviously if the man has earned all the money, the woman hasnt contributred financially, the marriage is short, no children are involved, and the wife screws around whilst the man slogs his guts out....that would be equally wrong to send her off with millions

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Post by Syl on Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:00 am

eddie wrote:
Cass wrote:If you’re concerned get a prenuptial. Then again, if you’re that concerned why bother getting married in the first place?

Exactement.
And! Perhaps she was a real bitch within the marriage? There's normally a reason why people feel the need to cheat.

Sometimess people get bored and they  snatch whatever they can get elsewhere thinking they wont get found out.

Not everyone needs a reason to cheat.

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Post by eddie on Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:06 am

Syl wrote:
eddie wrote:
Cass wrote:If you’re concerned get a prenuptial. Then again, if you’re that concerned why bother getting married in the first place?

Exactement.
And! Perhaps she was a real bitch within the marriage? There's normally a reason why people feel the need to cheat.

Sometimess people get bored and they  snatch whatever they can get elsewhere thinking they wont get found out.

Not everyone needs a reason to cheat.

Boredom is a reason. Isn't it? I think people just assume that men cheat just for the physical act of sex but perhaps she was withholding love and affection.
Of course we don't know how reqsons - perhaps he's just a pig but really, people generally cheat when their needs aren't being met, which obviously works both ways.

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Post by Syl on Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:13 am

Like you say we dont know why he cheated, but my guess is anyone who can act like an arsehole then happily walk away with millions in the bank, scrounged off the back off someone elses hard graft...proably is, and always has been a selfish self serving bastard .

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Post by smelly-bandit on Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:20 am

So this concludes that the gender pay gap is a myth

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:54 am

Basketball

That crazy woman is one stupid cow...

Now she knows how all of those innocent men who have been screwed over and ripped-off by cheating, lying and gold-digging wives and girlfriends will have felt..         tongue

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:46 pm

There is no automatic right to half the assets in a divorce on either side in England. The court will try to put each person in a roughly equal situation, taking all circumstances into account. It doesn't matter who was at fault, unless one person behaved so disgracefully that the court thinks they deserve less, and adultery doesn't really count.

She wasn't just "with" someone, she was married to him, so she has a financial responsibility towards him, just as he does towards her. They could have awarded him more on the grounds that she has a greater earner power than him.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:17 pm

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Nothing wrong with her looks.

Ex's in Texas always get half of all wealth accumulated during the marriage. It doesn't matter why the marriage ended.


You were the one who mentioned her looks.

Hopefully, as this divorce was in the UK good sense will prevail.
No children are involved to complicate the issue.

The first ruling was ridiculous (probably a woman hating judge) she won her appeal, and even that went right  in her ex' s favour.

Why should an adulterer walk awaay from a childless marriage set up for life witth money his/or her innocent ex earned?

I mentioned her looks based on the fact that between those looks and the money involved, I would sign up for that gig. There are women so damn ugly that the money would have to be much better. Cool

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Post by Syl on Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:17 pm

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:

You were the one who mentioned her looks.

Hopefully, as this divorce was in the UK good sense will prevail.
No children are involved to complicate the issue.

The first ruling was ridiculous (probably a woman hating judge) she won her appeal, and even that went right  in her ex' s favour.

Why should an adulterer walk awaay from a childless marriage set up for life witth money his/or her innocent ex earned?

I mentioned her looks based on the fact that between those looks and the money involved, I would sign up for that gig. There are women so damn ugly that the money would have to be much better. Cool

So you admit you would happily sell yourself if the price was right...slut. Evil or Very Mad

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Post by magica on Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:46 pm

When women have affairs, they get to keep the house, money taken from their husband's wages to pay for kids etc.

If no kids are there, then things should be split down the middle, no matter who earns the most money.
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Post by Syl on Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:03 pm

magica wrote:When women have affairs, they get to keep the house, money taken from their husband's wages to pay for kids etc.

If no kids are there, then things should be split down the middle, no matter who earns the most money.

I don't agree Mags.
If the marriage is short (4 years in this case) and no children are involved, why should the assets be split if one person has contributed all the money and the other person hasn't?
We are not talking of a 2 up and down semi here, we are talking of millions of pound that one partner earned whilst the other shagged around.

In any case in the UK the 50/50 split doesn't apply...so I think this woman is right to carry on her fight for fairer divorce settlements.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:37 pm

Syl wrote:Not sure what her looks have to do with anything.

I think she is right....She wasnt the one who broke the marriage vows, and she earned the bulk of the money  in the few short years they were together, why should her ex get half?

Because for years women expected to get half of their husband's money if they got divorced, particularly if they had kids. You can't have it all one way.
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Post by HoratioTarr on Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:38 pm

Syl wrote:
magica wrote:When women have affairs, they get to keep the house, money taken from their husband's wages to pay for kids etc.

If no kids are there, then things should be split down the middle, no matter who earns the most money.

I don't agree Mags.
If the marriage is short (4 years in this case) and no children are involved, why should the assets be split if one person has contributed all the money and the other person hasn't?
We are not talking of a 2 up and down semi here, we are talking of millions of pound that one partner earned whilst the other shagged around.

In any case in the UK the 50/50 split doesn't apply...so I think this woman is right to carry on her fight for fairer divorce settlements.

Then don't get married.
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Post by Syl on Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:52 pm

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I don't agree Mags.
If the marriage is short (4 years in this case) and no children are involved, why should the assets be split if one person has contributed all the money and the other person hasn't?
We are not talking of a 2 up and down semi here, we are talking of millions of pound that one partner earned whilst the other shagged around.

In any case in the UK the 50/50 split doesn't apply...so I think this woman is right to carry on her fight for fairer divorce settlements.

Then don't get married.

Too simplistic.
People fall in love not realising that one day the person they love will turn out to be an arsehole.
Prenups are OK, but not for everyone...they are a bit of a romance squasher.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:57 pm

Syl wrote:
magica wrote:When women have affairs, they get to keep the house, money taken from their husband's wages to pay for kids etc.

If no kids are there, then things should be split down the middle, no matter who earns the most money.

I don't agree Mags.
If the marriage is short (4 years in this case) and no children are involved, why should the assets be split if one person has contributed all the money and the other person hasn't?
We are not talking of a 2 up and down semi here, we are talking of millions of pound that one partner earned whilst the other shagged around.

In any case in the UK the 50/50 split doesn't apply...so I think this woman is right to carry on her fight for fairer divorce settlements.
Here I Texas, only the increase in assets would be split. A person worth a million entering a 4 year marriage would get to keep that money. The split would be over any increases to that million over the 4 year period.

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Post by Syl on Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:35 pm

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I don't agree Mags.
If the marriage is short (4 years in this case) and no children are involved, why should the assets be split if one person has contributed all the money and the other person hasn't?
We are not talking of a 2 up and down semi here, we are talking of millions of pound that one partner earned whilst the other shagged around.

In any case in the UK the 50/50 split doesn't apply...so I think this woman is right to carry on her fight for fairer divorce settlements.
Here I Texas, only the increase in assets would be split. A  person worth a million entering a 4 year marriage would get to keep that money.  The split would be over any increases to that million over the 4 year period.  

That's marginally fairer, at least a person cant be fleeced of money they brought into the marriage.

All divorce settlements should be worked out individually, one rule fits all is a gold diggers dream, be they male or female.

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Post by magica on Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:47 pm

Thing is Syl, if the boot was on the other foot, she would expect half and probably get it.

The fact they've only been married four years, I think maybe not half but million or so.

Women have had it their way for many years, what's good for them is good for the man.
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Post by Syl on Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:28 pm

magica wrote:Thing is Syl, if the boot was on the other foot, she would expect half and probably get it.

The fact they've only been married four years, I think maybe not half but million or so.

Women have had it their way for many years, what's good for them is good for the man.

She is calling for the unfair divorce laws to be updated for everyone Mags, not just for  women.

If you think women have had their way for years....which is actually untrue, its just that generally in divorce where children are involved, a judge will rule in favour of whoever has the children, which is usually the mother....but if women have had their way, and if this woman is successful, the law will be changed for the good of all.

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