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Post by Syl on Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:45 pm

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Black cab rapist John Worboys will be freed by the end of the month in a move that has provoked fury among victims' groups and led to calls for reform of the parole system.

John Worboys is feared to have attacked up to 200 women during a horrific spree of sex attacks he carried out on women he drugged in his cab.
Despite getting a sentence which could have seen him locked up for life, he has been freed just eight years in after a controversial parole panel decision he is no longer a danger to women.

The ruling has led to widespread claims of 'soft justice' and fears his victims, some of whom only found out about his release through radio news, are being let down by the system.

It emerged today that Worboys will be moved straight from a high-security jail into a bail hostel where he will be monitored by the end of the month.

 Worboys was jailed in 2009 for raping and sexually assaulting young women in his black cab.
Police suspect the 60-year-old, who was labelled a 'repetitive, predatory sexual offender' in a probation report, may have abused as many as 200 women.

Karen Ingala Smith, chief executive of women's sexual and domestic violence charity, Nia, said: 'The police believe that Worboys may have raped more than 100 women, others think this is a conservative estimate.
'He's served nine years and nine months, that's just over a month per rape victim. How can we say justice has been served?



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5237159/Rapist-John-Worboys-ex-wife-says-stay-jail.html


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Post by eddie on Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:32 pm

Didge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

If there was sufficient evidence then he should have been prosecuted for all... the fact he wasn't, suggests there was no evidence...



Gibberish

Just because there was not enough evidence, does not mean there was no evidence, only that it has not come to light.

What a twat you are

I quite agree.
And as you know, my ex is a black taxi driver and the rumours that circulated (and I know they're just rumours) were that there were many more than just one.

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Post by Syl on Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:39 pm

eddie wrote:
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Gibberish

Just because there was not enough evidence, does not mean there was no evidence, only that it has not come to light.

What a twat you are

I quite agree.  
And as you know, my ex is a black taxi driver and the rumours that circulated (and I know they're just rumours) were that there were many more than just one.
Just asked my OH ...he was a black cab driver for 40 years in Manchester, he said he never heard any gossip about licenced black cab drivers abusing women.
Private hire was a different matter.

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Post by eddie on Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:47 pm

I didn't mean black cab drivers in general Syl. I meant this one in particular.

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Post by Syl on Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:49 pm

Right...sorry, I misread the post.  Rolling Eyes

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Post by eddie on Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:54 pm

Syl wrote:Right...sorry, I misread the post.  Rolling Eyes

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Post by Syl on Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:58 pm

eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:right...sorry, I misread the post.  Rolling Eyes

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Post by magica on Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:58 pm

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magica wrote:I'm sickened by this Syl, he should not have been out this early, if at all.

He got life, how is 8 years life, its appalling and a kick in the teeth for his victims.
The so called M25 rapist is the latest one to be considered for release Mags.

He received 7 life sentences....he has served less than 14 years, which means a life sentence in his case is TWO years.
His victims ranged from 10 years old.


Bloody raping kids, he should never be released, he will always be a paedophile. He could start again.

Him and Warboys should die in prison.
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Post by Syl on Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:17 pm

I agree Mags.

Parole boards who grant early release to people like this should be made to make their reasons public.
God knows how they can equate a life sentence to a pathetic 2 years.

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Post by magica on Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:28 pm

All the victims of these monsters will be trying to get on with their lives, to probably not be afraid, and now they're coming out of prison.

Makes a complete mockery of parole boards. How in heaven's name can the board make this right. Bet they pretended they were sorry, saying sorry goes a long way with the board's, they need locking up too.
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Post by Syl on Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:36 pm

From the GOV.UK website.

Listing their responsibilities.....

We carry out risk assessments on prisoners in England and Wales according to provisions in the Criminal Justice Act 1991 and the Crime (Sentences) Act 1997. Our main responsibility is to protect the public.

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Post by magica on Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:13 pm

Maybe they should have had those words 6 feet high!
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Post by Syl on Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:35 pm

Brilliant news.
It makes one wonder who the hell sits on these parole boards deciding who should go free.
Their decision is normally final, they don't have to give reasons outside of the board for their decisions.
Obviously they don't take into consideration all the facts and figures of the cases they are dealing with.
Even without other victims coming forwards the parole board should never have approved Worboys release.



"A decision by the Parole Board to release the rapist John Worboys has been quashed, prompting the board's chairman Nick Hardwick to resign.
The legal challenge by two victims was upheld by the High Court, and the Parole Board praised the "bravery" of the women who brought the action.
Worboys, 60, has served 10 years, including remand time, of an indeterminate prison sentence.
Mr Hardwick said he was resigning immediately.
In his letter of resignation, Mr Hardwick said Justice Secretary David Gauke had told him his position was "untenable", adding he was "sorry for the mistakes that were made in this case".
High Court judges said "further inquiry" was needed into Worboys' offending.
The case will now be referred back to the Parole Board."




http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43568533

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Post by magica on Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:25 pm

I read this, common sense prevails. Hope he never comes out.
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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:55 pm



He has served 10 years in jail already... I think that is long enough for the crimes he was convicted of...!


Convicted murderers can be out of jail in less than 10 years...

"...In 2010, 115 people were released from prison having served a life sentence for murder. Of these, six had served fewer than 10 years. In 2011, 160 people were released from prison having served a life sentence for murder. Of these, 26 had served fewer than 10 years..."

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmhansrd/cm121031/text/121031w0004.htm



And most of those muslem gang members convicted of huge numbers of multiple child rapes have only got a few short years as sentences, and many are out of jail in 5 years or less...!


In my opinion, Warboys is in the news as a distraction away from the short jail terms of others, who should really be the ones doing much more than 10 years for their crimes against children!!!



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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:12 pm

Here is a prime example...


https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/rochdale-grooming-gang-jail-deported-13057964


Of this gang of 9 child rapists, convicted in 2012... 7 of them have already been released from prison... and 1 of the 2 still in prison, could be released this year after serving half of the 12 year sentence that he was given...!



Where's all the media outrage about this...!?



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Post by nicko on Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:28 pm

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Post by Syl on Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:32 pm

Just because one group of people get pathetically light sentences you don't balance that up by allowing a dangerous habitual predator like Worboys out after serving a fraction of the time he could be doing.
The parole board admit they got it wrong......Tommy, why cant you?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:11 pm

Syl... he's been behind bars for 10 years already!!!


Murderers are known to do less time in jail!!!


And muslem gangs of child rapists are getting out after less than 5 years!!!


Why such outrage about Warboys getting released after 10 years in jail...!?


Why should he be kept in jail for longer than murderers or child rapists...!?


10 years inside is already a long enough time for what he was convicted of, in my opinion... and I just don't understand the big media fuss and political interference/moral posturing over his release, when there are huge numbers of others convicted of much more serious crimes, regularly being released after a couple of years or so, serving hardly any time at all in comparison... and with nobody making any fuss about any of this...!?



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Post by Syl on Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:49 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Syl... he's been behind bars for 10 years already!!!


Murderers are known to do less time in jail!!!


And muslem gangs of child rapists are getting out after less than 5 years!!!


Why such outrage about Warboys getting released after 10 years in jail...!?


Why should he be kept in jail for longer than murderers or child rapists...!?


10 years inside is already a long enough time for what he was convicted of, in my opinion... and I just don't understand the big media fuss and political interference/moral posturing over his release, when there are huge numbers of others convicted of much more serious crimes, regularly being released after a couple of years or so, serving hardly any time at all in comparison... and with nobody making any fuss about any of this...!?



He served approx 2 weeks for each of his suspected victims. Rolling Eyes

Other women have come forwards since he was tried and found guilty, police admit they made mistakes when he was first accused.  
The parole board made mistakes in thinking he was ready to be released, he wasn't.
He was given an indeterminate jail sentence, he could serve life....hopefully he will be a very old man before he is released.

Other people are released early....two convicted murderers who met in jail were both released after relitively short sentences and raped and murdered a young girl recently....sentences for serious crimes should be longer not shorter...and that includes Worboys.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:08 pm



He has served long enough for what he was convicted of...!



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Post by magica on Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:24 pm

They say he attacked 200 women.

I don't think he should ever walk, he's a danger to all females.
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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:42 pm



Others say he didn't...


You can only imprison people for crimes that they have been convicted of... not for media speculation...


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Post by magica on Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:16 pm

Yes, but what he did do was appalling. I think rapist, paedophiles, murderers and terrorists should never get out of prison.
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Others have done much worse than him... but have done much less time in prison...


Where is the hysterical outrage about these child rapists getting out after only a couple of years...?

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/rochdale-grooming-gang-jail-deported-13057964


Nobody cares because they have been too busy being distracted by all the media hype over Warboys...!



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Post by magica on Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:21 am

As I said Tommy, peados should get life and I'm sickened when they are released after a few years.

I care about peados getting out, in my world they would get life, no parole either.
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Post by Syl on Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:28 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Others have done much worse than him... but have done much less time in prison...


Where is the hysterical outrage about these child rapists getting out after only a couple of years...?

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/rochdale-grooming-gang-jail-deported-13057964


Nobody cares because they have been too busy being distracted by all the media hype over Warboys...!



Tommy, that news item is 16 months old....the parole decision freeing Worboys being overturned happened this week.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:06 pm

Syl... Warboys has been in the news for months...


And I thought the article i posted was 2017... not 16 months ago... but so what...?


Still showing worse offenders doing much less time in jail... even some murderers do less than 10 years!!!



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Post by Syl on Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:12 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Syl... Warboys has been in the news for months...


And I thought the article i posted was 2017... not 16 months ago... but so what...?


Still showing worse offenders doing much less time in jail... even some murderers do less than 10 years!!!



My apologies Tommy...the article about the Muslim men was last July not 16 months ago.

The Worboys article was in January when the news reported he would shortly be released.

The fresh news, that the decision had been overturned and he would stay in jail was decided yesterday.

Yes, some murderers do less than 10 years, but Warboys has now thought to have attacked, sexually molested and raped many more women than he was found guilty of, he is a danger to all women.

Changes are going to be made re parole boards......which is a good thing. Too many prisoners get out having only served a fraction of what they should.

I think the only person arguing that people who commit horrendous crimes should be entitled to early release....is you.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:39 pm



I don't think Warboys was getting released early at all... I think that the 10 years behind bars is enough for what he was convicted of...


It is up to courts to decide what someone is guilty of (or not guilty of), and up to judges to dish out sentence on that basis... then it is up to parole boards and prisons to release them when they have served their time...


It is not right for prisoners to be kept inside for longer because of media speculation, or because of police chuntering about any other speculative & unproven allegations...


That would be for a court to decide after a fresh fair trial for any new charges, and based on ACTUAL EVIDENCE being presented to the court!!!



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Post by Syl on Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:36 pm

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I don't think Warboys was getting released early at all... I think that the 10 years behind bars is enough for what he was convicted of...


It is up to courts to decide what someone is guilty of (or not guilty of), and up to judges to dish out sentence on that basis... then it is up to parole boards and prisons to release them when they have served their time...


It is not right for prisoners to be kept inside for longer because of media speculation, or because of police chuntering about any other speculative & unproven allegations...


That would be for a court to decide after a fresh fair trial for any new charges, and based on ACTUAL EVIDENCE being presented to the court!!!



He isn't being kept inside for longer than his original sentence, he was given an 'indeterminate sentence for public protection'....that could be life if he was never considered fit to be released.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:32 am

But he was to be released by those whose job it is to decide... and that only changed after all the media hype and associated police speculation and subsequent political interference etc...!


Worboys was sentenced to life with an eight years minimum sentence... he has been in jail for 10 years... and 'indeterminate sentences' were abolished in 2012 after courts ruled them illegal...!



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Post by Syl on Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:37 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:But he was to be released by those whose job it is to decide... and that only changed after all the media hype and associated police speculation and subsequent political interference etc...!


Worboys was sentenced to life with an eight years minimum sentence... he has been in jail for 10 years... and 'indeterminate sentences' were abolished in 2012 after courts ruled them illegal...!



Whether indeterminate sentences were abolished or not, he still has to be assessed by a parole board before he can be freed.
Now this happened, but he lied through his teeth and the three people sitting on the parole board didn't bother to research all the facts behind the case.
Police by this time had many more statements from women who had come forward BEFORE and AFTER he was found guilty of rape and sexual assaults on his female passengers.

After the news reported that he was set to be released two of the women took legal advice and decided to challenge this judgment....they won.
The police admitted they made mistakes in this case.
The parole board admit they were fooled and didn't do research into the background of this case.
The chair of the parole board has been forced to resign.

The important thing here is that it has been possible to challenge and overturn the decision a parole board has made....that's far more important than a seedy little serial rapist staying inside.
Not sure why you cant see that Tommy.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/28/parole-board-must-reconsider-decision-to-release-john-worboys

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Post by Syl on Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:48 pm

Interesting info about 'Indeterminate sentences for public protection' (IPP's)

Abolished (not that that's working) in 2012.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/15/ipp-prisoners-james-ward-jail-sentences-parole

And Tommy, the abolition of the IPP sentences doesn't mean that anyone who is serving more than their minimum amount of time stated (in Worboys case 8 years)  is doing extra....they are there either because the parole board hasn't got round to assessing them, or they are considered too dangerous or not rehabilitated enough to be freed.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:15 pm



The parole board decided to release him... just like they decide to release thousands of others every year...


It could be argued that every one of those set for release might be a risk to the public, and that they should not be released...


Do you think that all convicted prisoners should be held in prison for ever...?


Or just Warboys...?


Even though many worse offenders do much less time...?


Why do you care so much about Warboys... but say nothing about the thousands of other worse offenders being released every year after serving less time...?


Is Warboys now only being denied release because he poses a significant risk to public...? Or as added punishment for speculative media spun make-believe allegations of crimes that are completely unproven...?


(P.S. Only the first one is legal...)



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Post by Syl on Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:19 am

The parole board obviously make mistakes, its good that their usual untouchable decisions has now been over ruled, hopefully changes will now be made to make them more accountable.

Im not sure why you think Worboys has been treated unfairly, he was found guilty of  offences including rape, drugging and sexual assault of 19 women.
He lied to the parole board and they mistakenly believed him....also many more women came forward accusing him of similar crimes is why the decision has been overturned, nothing to do with the publicity.

I say plenty about others who commit similar or worse crimes, but I dont compare one group of rapists against another, and complain that just because one was treated lightly another should be...they should all be locked up for decades imo.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:53 pm

12 women... not 19... but still... most of the convicted muslem child rapists had many more victims but are out of jail after only 5 years or less...


And even some murderers are out of jail in less than 10 years...!


In my opinion, Warboys has done enough time and should be released...



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Post by Syl on Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:39 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:12 women... not 19... but still... most of the convicted muslem child rapists had many more victims but are out of jail after only 5 years or less...


And even some murderers are out of jail in less than 10 years...!


In my opinion, Warboys has done enough time and should be released...



"Worboys, who is now known as John Radford, was convicted of one rape, five sexual assaults, one attempted assault and 12 drugging charges, but police believe he committed crimes against more than 100 women between 2002 and 2008."

He was found guilty of 19 different offences. Now after further investigations the police believe he committed not 100, but up to 200 serious sexual assaults.

But you think he should be free. Rolling Eyes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43568533

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Post by Syl on Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:55 pm

And Tommy, you keep comparing Worboys to the Muslim gangs.

They committed different crimes...Worboys drugged and raped mostly adult women against their will.

The Muslim gangs groomed and raped underage white girls.

There have been several threads about the Pakistani Muslims....one about Worboys.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:59 pm

"...convicted of one rape, five sexual assaults, one attempted assault and 12 drugging charges..."


So yes I do think that the 10 years inside for that is enough...!


You can only imprison people for crimes they have been convicted of...

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Post by Syl on Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:29 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:"...convicted of one rape, five sexual assaults, one attempted assault and 12 drugging charges..."


So yes I do think that the 10 years inside for that is enough...!


You can only imprison people for crimes they have been convicted of...

That's true Tommy, and his sentence was minimum eight years, maximum could be life.

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He has done 10 years inside... there is no justification for keeping him in prison for longer than murderers and child rapists do in prison...



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Post by Syl on Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:05 pm

Well the fact that he is obviously dangerous and has lied through his teeth to get an early release is reason enough surely.

No one is saying  murderers and child rapists serve long enough inside, obviously some dont....but this thread isn't about them is it?
And we are now going round in circles.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:25 pm

And... as I've already said... 'indeterminate sentence' was abolished in 2012 after being ruled illegal... and was only something that was brought in a few years earlier by Blunket under Blair govt around 2005 I think... so not really a justifiable reason to keep him in prison any more anyway... especially as it only ever was supposed to count against those who it could be proven that they still posed a significant risk to the public that was 'unmanageable'...!


In Warboys case this has not been establised as applicable...!


So no justifiable reason to detain him any longer!


I'm sorry Syl... but the law is clearly on his side for him to be released... and he is likely to win any appeal as well as get substantial cash award as compensation too...



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Post by Syl on Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:19 pm

Well I very much doubt that Tommy.
Maybe we will come back to this thread in time....see who's right. Wink

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