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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:45 am

http://www.msn.com/en-au/health/nutrition/latest-health-fad-is-so-dangerous-food-safety-experts-assumed-it-was-a-joke/ar-BBHSMYM?ocid=ientp

In Silicon Valley, California US – home to a number of baffling food and drink trends – demand for unfiltered water is rapidly increasing.

Apparently, "unfiltered, untreated, un-sterilized spring water" is all the rage in San Francisco. Startups dedicated to flogging it are popping up. What's more, the craze is spreading, and 'raw water' has been selling for as much as £45 for 4.5 litres. Prices are only rising.

In preparation for Burning Man festival in Nevada, people such as Doug Evans from Juicero are gathering untreated H2O to sell. While a company called Tourmaline Spring sells the stuff as "sacred, living water". Another business called Live Water is also pushing the product.

Marler thinks the whole thing is ridiculous – and hazardous. He told BI: "Almost everything conceivable that can make you sick can be found in water.

"The diseases that killed our great-grandparents were completely forgotten about," he said.

"It's fine till some 10-year-old girl dies a horrible death from cholera in Montecito, California. You can't stop consenting adults from being stupid. But, we should at least try."


Marler believes the new trend is not dissimilar to people's obsession with raw milk. These ideas lack scientific evidence, but fall into the modern psyche of 'extreme health'.

Although there's a novel thing in drinking fresh, seemingly pure water straight from the source – while adventuring, this may be possible with experts like Ray Mears – the untrained commercialisation of such a practice is clearly ill considered.

Untreated water even from the cleanest of streams can be dangerous. The likes of E. coli, cholera, and Hepatitis A can all be found in unclean water. These can all be deadly.


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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:47 am

Why (like Raw milk) is this only a trend in the USA?

might it be Libertarian nutjobs that value 'the freedom to sell untreated potentially dangerous water' over 'the freedom of consumers to not be dead.' Cool

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Post by Cass on Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:58 am

Oh sweet cheezus.

Whoever buys it deserves to catch something bad.

A fool and their money...

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:01 am

veya_victaous wrote:Why (like Raw milk) is this only a trend in the USA?

might it be Libertarian nutjobs that value 'the freedom to sell untreated potentially dangerous water' over 'the freedom of consumers to not be dead.' Cool


I think it's more about the freedom to consume that stuff. I'm not drinking that water, but I don't care if you do.

And, this is happening in San Fran. If you know anything about those weirdos, you know that are not really libertarian. They just do weird shit and think they are more clever than everyone else.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:12 am

Maddog wrote:And, this is happening in San Fran. If you know anything about those weirdos, you know that are not really libertarian. They just do weird shit and think they are more clever than everyone else.

That's judgmental bullshit.

This is really the issue of individualism vs. public protection. If we live in a lawless outback, we have no obligation to protect the fellow man. If we live in a social condition, where we would like an atmosphere of civilization, then we accept public protections.

Raw water is taking the naturalistic fallacy (if it's natural it's good) to the extreme. Raccoons piss in that water.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:15 am

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Maddog wrote:And, this is happening in San Fran. If you know anything about those weirdos, you know that are not really libertarian. They just do weird shit and think they are more clever than everyone else.

That's judgmental bullshit.

This is really the issue of individualism vs. public protection.  If we live in a lawless outback, we have no obligation to protect the fellow man.  If we live in a social condition, where we would like an atmosphere of civilization, then we accept public protections.

Raw water is taking the naturalistic fallacy (if it's natural it's good) to the extreme.  Raccoons piss in that water.

I don't care if you drink raccoon piss.

This is the same part of the country where there are a lot of anti vaxers. Their just weirdos that think they are clever. More power to them, but I'm vaccinating my kids and filtering my water, because I think it's a good idea.

Same reason I cook my chicken and don't eat it raw.

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:27 am

too much Importance is given to what people think and want.
People are idiots. and things like vaccines and even water treatment are 'herd protection' so if everyone is allowed to be an 'individual Libertarian snowflake' everyone ends up worse off not just the dumb asses.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:45 am

veya_victaous wrote:too much Importance is given to what people think and want.
People are idiots. and things like vaccines and even water treatment are 'herd protection' so if everyone is allowed to be an 'individual Libertarian snowflake' everyone ends up worse off not just the dumb asses.

So won't it be other people deciding what people think and want?


Since you think people are idiots, why would you want people making important decisions about your life? Cool

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:59 am

Maddog wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:too much Importance is given to what people think and want.
People are idiots. and things like vaccines and even water treatment are 'herd protection' so if everyone is allowed to be an 'individual Libertarian snowflake' everyone ends up worse off not just the dumb asses.

So won't it be other people deciding what people think and want?


Since you think people are idiots, why would you want people making important decisions about your life?  Cool

The hope is that intelligence will rise to the occasion. You don't find intelligence in pockets of ignorance. Absolute freedom is absolute ignorance.

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:04 am

Maddog wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:too much Importance is given to what people think and want.
People are idiots. and things like vaccines and even water treatment are 'herd protection' so if everyone is allowed to be an 'individual Libertarian snowflake' everyone ends up worse off not just the dumb asses.

So won't it be other people deciding what people think and want?


Since you think people are idiots, why would you want people making important decisions about your life?  Cool

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:05 am

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:

So won't it be other people deciding what people think and want?


Since you think people are idiots, why would you want people making important decisions about your life?  Cool

The hope is that intelligence will rise to the occasion.  You don't find intelligence in pockets of ignorance.  Absolute freedom is absolute ignorance.

How would an idiot know that someone was intelligent? What if an idiot thought someone was intelligent, but because they were an idiot they couldn't determine that they were really an idiot?  

Once you start looking down on your fellow man, the amount of evil you can force upon him is limitless. That's why people in power should have very limited power. It corrupts them. Cool


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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:05 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Maddog wrote:

So won't it be other people deciding what people think and want?


Since you think people are idiots, why would you want people making important decisions about your life?  Cool

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I don't care how you make your decisions. You can use tarot cards for all I care. Cool

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:23 am

Maddog wrote:
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The hope is that intelligence will rise to the occasion.  You don't find intelligence in pockets of ignorance.  Absolute freedom is absolute ignorance.

How would an idiot know that someone was intelligent? What if an idiot thought someone was intelligent, but because they were an idiot they couldn't determine that they were really an idiot?  

Once you start looking down on your fellow man, the amount of evil you can force upon him is limitless. That's why people in power should have very limited power. It corrupts them. Cool

You southerners should have learned that before you became racists. You would have learned that Afro-Americans were superior to you dumb-fuck crackers.

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:26 am

Maddog wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Maddog wrote:

So won't it be other people deciding what people think and want?


Since you think people are idiots, why would you want people making important decisions about your life?  Cool

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I don't care how you make your decisions. You can use tarot cards for all I care. Cool


societies decisions, not my decisions
we are not in this world alone, which is why all your 'individualist Libertarian snowflake' ideas are wrong.
no decision you make affects you alone.

And Besides your 'decisions' are pre-defined. like all animals your brain is just an organic computer it can and is hacked to 'help you' form opinions.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:30 am

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Maddog wrote:

How would an idiot know that someone was intelligent? What if an idiot thought someone was intelligent, but because they were an idiot they couldn't determine that they were really an idiot?  

Once you start looking down on your fellow man, the amount of evil you can force upon him is limitless. That's why people in power should have very limited power. It corrupts them. Cool

You southerners should have learned that before you became racists.  You would have learned that Afro-Americans were superior to you dumb-fuck crackers.

Who in the fuck calls black people Afro-Americans? It's not 1972 you know.

I thought people were idiots? Are you saying blacks are not people, but a superior species compared to us "people"?

See, I think blacks are people, which would make them as prone to being idiots as any other group of people. Cool


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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:32 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I don't care how you make your decisions. You can use tarot cards for all I care. Cool


societies decisions, not my decisions
we are not in this world alone, which is why all your 'individualist Libertarian snowflake' ideas are wrong.
no decision you make affects you alone.

And Besides your 'decisions' are pre-defined. like all animals your brain is just an organic computer it can and is hacked to 'help you' form opinions.

So mob rule then? The individual has no rights and must submit to the will of the majority?

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:37 am

I would love to chat some more, but my princess wants a drink. She insists on treated and clean water though. She's an immigrant though, not one of those native born weirdos in San Fran. Shocked

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:41 am

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

You southerners should have learned that before you became racists.  You would have learned that Afro-Americans were superior to you dumb-fuck crackers.

Who in the fuck calls black people Afro-Americans? It's not 1972 you know.

Who the fuck cares, asshole?

Maddog wrote:I thought people were idiots? Are you saying blacks are not people, but a superior species compared to us "people"?  

Yeah...now you are getting it.  The Afro-American people have been patient, and tolerant with you southern assholes for long enough.  They have shown they are the intelligent ones.  It's time for you to pay...

Maddog wrote:See, I think blacks are people, which would make them as prone to being idiots as any other group of people.   Cool

Actually, I find that they are the intelligent ones.  They have been patient, believing in the American way, while you southerners are the un-Americans.   The African-American are loyal Americans...while you are the ones who need to go.  Go become a South American Banana Republic.   Because without California and New York, you sure as shit will become another Argentina.

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Maddog wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I don't care how you make your decisions. You can use tarot cards for all I care. Cool


societies decisions, not my decisions
we are not in this world alone, which is why all your 'individualist Libertarian snowflake' ideas are wrong.
no decision you make affects you alone.

And Besides your 'decisions' are pre-defined. like all animals your brain is just an organic computer it can and is hacked to 'help you' form opinions.

So mob rule then? The individual has no rights and must submit to the will of the majority?

well that would be 'democracy' Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

we only need the to convince the majority to vote in 'Skynet' once and then we can move onto a more advanced system. Cool

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:34 am

flower

"Raw water"   !!!

Just goes to prove that "ther's one born every minute"..


Now if we could only convince those 'Burning Man' freakazoids that the honey from down here is a magical 'elixir of life',  a natural aphrodisiac, cures all known ills, and puts hairs on your chest.

And then flog it to those "all natural foods" folks for $100/kg.


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Post by Jules on Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:37 am

veya_victaous wrote:http://www.msn.com/en-au/health/nutrition/latest-health-fad-is-so-dangerous-food-safety-experts-assumed-it-was-a-joke/ar-BBHSMYM?ocid=ientp


These folks who are always yearning to ''return to nature''.  They forget how dangerous, cruel and random mother nature can be.

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Post by Jules on Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:47 am

Ironic that half the world is dying because of unclean water. The quest for clean drinking water is one of the most pressing environment issues right now, billions of dollars from donors like Bill Gates are being pumped into projects to cleanse water worldwide (google it!).

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:57 pm

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Maddog wrote:

Who in the fuck calls black people Afro-Americans? It's not 1972 you know.

Who the fuck cares, asshole?

Maddog wrote:I thought people were idiots? Are you saying blacks are not people, but a superior species compared to us "people"?  

Yeah...now you are getting it.  The Afro-American people have been patient, and tolerant with you southern assholes for long enough.  They have shown they are the intelligent ones.  It's time for you to pay...

Maddog wrote:See, I think blacks are people, which would make them as prone to being idiots as any other group of people.   Cool

Actually, I find that they are the intelligent ones.  They have been patient, believing in the American way, while you southerners are the un-Americans.   The African-American are loyal Americans...while you are the ones who need to go.  Go become a South American Banana Republic.   Because without California and New York, you sure as shit will become another Argentina.

So blacks are not people? What species are they? Have you created your own name for their species? Wink

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:59 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Maddog wrote:

So mob rule then? The individual has no rights and must submit to the will of the majority?

well that would be 'democracy' Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

we only need the to convince the majority to vote in 'Skynet' once and then we can move onto a more advanced system. Cool

Yes, pure democracy tramples on the minority.

That's why a constitutional republic is far superior. Minorities shouldn't be punished for having a less popular opinion. Wink

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:19 pm

Maddog wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

well that would be 'democracy' Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

we only need the to convince the majority to vote in 'Skynet' once and then we can move onto a more advanced system. Cool

Yes, pure democracy tramples on the minority.  

That's why a constitutional republic is far superior.  Minorities shouldn't be punished for having a less popular opinion.    Wink

Define "constitutional republic" and explain how it is different from a democracy.  It sounds like you view a constitutional republic as an oligarchy.

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Yes, pure democracy tramples on the minority.  

That's why a constitutional republic is far superior.  Minorities shouldn't be punished for having a less popular opinion.    Wink

Define "constitutional republic" and explain how it is different from a democracy.  It sounds like you view a constitutional republic as an oligarchy.

You live in a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Wink

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:53 pm

I know, but that doesn't define it.  If I were to take out my leggo blocks, how would I go about building a constitutional republic?

I agree that the US is not a democracy.  The chief executive officer is appointed, not elected.  The ultimate arbiter, the Supreme Court, is likewise appointed, not elected.  And, the legislative branch is like a classroom full of kids, who wait for a pat on the back by the teacher (let's face it, the legislative branch sits on its ass and does nothing, anyway).

It seems to me that the US is an oligarchy, wrapped in a constitution, the meaning of which is announced periodically by other oligarchs.

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Original Quill wrote:I know, but that doesn't define it.  If I were to take out my leggo blocks, how would I go about building a constitutional republic?

I agree that the US is not a democracy.  The chief executive officer is appointed, not elected.  The ultimate arbiter, the Supreme Court, is likewise appointed, not elected.  And, the legislative branch is like a classroom full of kids, who wait for a pat on the back by the teacher (let's face it, the legislative branch sits on its ass and does nothing, anyway).

It seems to me that the US is an oligarchy, wrapped in a constitution, the meaning of which is announced periodically by other oligarchs.

In a constitutional republic, we elect people to make laws that must pass a legal test under the rules of the constitution.

Here is an example. We have elected people that have passed laws saying the burning the flag is illegal. A majority of the people don't want people burning flags, however the constitution say that the tiny number of people that want to burn a flag, have every right to do so, regardless of the will of the majority.

The same should apply to weirdos in Cali that want to drink water out of their toilet.

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Re: New 'Health' trend: Raw Water

Post by Cass on Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:05 pm

Jules wrote:Ironic that half the world is dying because of unclean water. The quest for clean drinking water is one of the most pressing environment issues right now, billions of dollars from donors like Bill Gates are being pumped into projects to cleanse water worldwide (google it!).

Very good point! It just boggles the mind.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:09 pm

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Original Quill wrote:I know, but that doesn't define it.  If I were to take out my leggo blocks, how would I go about building a constitutional republic?

I agree that the US is not a democracy.  The chief executive officer is appointed, not elected.  The ultimate arbiter, the Supreme Court, is likewise appointed, not elected.  And, the legislative branch is like a classroom full of kids, who wait for a pat on the back by the teacher (let's face it, the legislative branch sits on its ass and does nothing, anyway).

It seems to me that the US is an oligarchy, wrapped in a constitution, the meaning of which is announced periodically by other oligarchs.

In a constitutional republic, we elect people to make laws that must pass a legal test under the rules of the constitution.

Here is an example. We have elected people that have passed laws saying the burning the flag is illegal. A majority of the people don't want people burning flags, however the constitution say that the tiny number of people that want to burn a flag, have every right to do so, regardless of the will of the majority.

The same should apply to weirdos in Cali that want to drink water out of their toilet.  

It seems to me that your analogy breaks down at some point. Public protections (regulations) are just that. There's no down side to burning the flag: you own the flag, so property-wise it's OK; there's no health risk involved in burning a flag; it's all just symbolic. Now, laws like 201 and 208 of the Clean Water Act have a purpose in that people drink water and could get sick (or worse) if the water is polluted. Same with the sale of so-called Raw Water.

There are some public protections that seem picayune or not well-founded in science, and these might be tossed. But to risk someone's life, when you know better, and can do something about it, seems counter-intuitive.

Anyway, I digress into the example. I really don't think we have a constitutional republic as you define it. Our system--especially the electoral college--is cronyism, pure and simple. We are not a nation of laws, but a nation of privileged people. For example, compare the thousands of black men we throw into prison and throw away the keys, to Dick Cheney, who, because of his privileged position, gets to go home to his beautiful ranch in Wyoming.

And I doubt the crooks in the current administration will ever see the inside of a cell, even thought everyone knows they are a treasonous pack of vermin. The "constitution" side of the equation is non-existent. It's all about who you are, and who you know.

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Re: New 'Health' trend: Raw Water

Post by Maddog on Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:17 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:

In a constitutional republic, we elect people to make laws that must pass a legal test under the rules of the constitution.

Here is an example. We have elected people that have passed laws saying the burning the flag is illegal. A majority of the people don't want people burning flags, however the constitution say that the tiny number of people that want to burn a flag, have every right to do so, regardless of the will of the majority.

The same should apply to weirdos in Cali that want to drink water out of their toilet.  

It seems to me that your analogy breaks down at some point.  Public protections (regulations) are just that.  There's no down side to burning the flag: you own the flag, so property-wise it's OK; there's no health risk involved in burning a flag; it's all just symbolic.  Now, laws like 201 and 208 of the Clean Water Act have a purpose in that people drink water and could get sick (or worse) if the water is polluted.  Same with the sale of so-called Raw Water.

There are some public protections that seem picayune or not well-founded in science, and these might be tossed.  But to risk someone's life, when you know better, and can do something about it, seems counter-intuitive.

Anyway, I digress into the example.  I really don't think we have a constitutional republic as you define it.  Our system--especially the electoral college--is cronyism, pure and simple.  We are not a nation of laws, but a nation of privileged people.  For example, compare the thousands of black men we throw into prison and throw away the keys, to Dick Cheney, who, because of his privileged position, gets to go home to his beautiful ranch in Wyoming.

And I doubt the crooks in the current administration will ever see the inside of a cell, even thought everyone knows they are a treasonous pack of vermin.  The "constitution" side of the equation is non-existent.  It's all about who you are, and who you know.

Yeah, government is often not fair and corrupt.

Probably should bind it's hands and limit it's size and power as much as possible.

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Re: New 'Health' trend: Raw Water

Post by smelly-bandit on Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:13 pm

veya_victaous wrote:Why (like Raw milk) is this only a trend in the USA?

might it be Libertarian nutjobs that value 'the freedom to sell untreated potentially dangerous water' over 'the freedom of consumers to not be dead.' Cool

America has by default a higher proportion of fuckwit liberals and SJW snowflakes

these young people have been taught (by your kind) to hate themselves much and are brainwashed to believe that they can only be cleansed of their past sins by erasing and destroying their past traditions and heritage they have become broken and rudderless cast adrift in an ever changing sea,ghosts drifting through the ether, they are clutching at anything that feels real.

they have destroyed their past and are struggling to me a new one.

you could shit on a plate and tell them it has health benefits and they would yummy down on it.

mysticism is making a comeback albeit in a new form ,it would seem




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Re: New 'Health' trend: Raw Water

Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:38 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:Why (like Raw milk) is this only a trend in the USA?

might it be Libertarian nutjobs that value 'the freedom to sell untreated potentially dangerous water' over 'the freedom of consumers to not be dead.' Cool

America has by default a higher proportion of fuckwit liberals and SJW snowflakes

these young people have been taught (by your kind) to hate themselves much and are brainwashed to believe that they can only be cleansed of their past sins by erasing and destroying their past traditions and heritage they have become broken and rudderless cast adrift in an ever changing sea,ghosts drifting through the ether, they are clutching at anything that feels real.

they have destroyed their past and are struggling to me a new one.

you could shit on a plate and tell them it has health benefits and they would yummy down on it.

mysticism is making a comeback albeit in a new form ,it would seem  

Interesting opinion...but only an opinion.

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Re: New 'Health' trend: Raw Water

Post by smelly-bandit on Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:31 pm

Original Quill wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

America has by default a higher proportion of fuckwit liberals and SJW snowflakes

these young people have been taught (by your kind) to hate themselves much and are brainwashed to believe that they can only be cleansed of their past sins by erasing and destroying their past traditions and heritage they have become broken and rudderless cast adrift in an ever changing sea,ghosts drifting through the ether, they are clutching at anything that feels real.

they have destroyed their past and are struggling to me a new one.

you could shit on a plate and tell them it has health benefits and they would yummy down on it.

mysticism is making a comeback albeit in a new form ,it would seem  

Interesting opinion...but only an opinion.

What else could it be??

Insanity??

What makes the most prosperous, happy safe and richest community on the face of the earth, filled with some of the most creative, dynamic and intelligent people who can't move for clean water, shun that water and start drinking dirty water??

While the most uneducated, illiterate, unsophisticated people living in the most squalid, poorest, dangerous and difficult communities in the 3rd world are begging on hands and knees for the merest sniff of clean water??

what is it Quill??


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Re: New 'Health' trend: Raw Water

Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:47 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Interesting opinion...but only an opinion.

What else could it be??

Insanity??

What makes the most prosperous, happy safe and richest community on the face of the earth, filled with some of the most creative, dynamic and intelligent people who can't move for clean water, shun that water and start drinking dirty water??

While the most uneducated, illiterate, unsophisticated people living in the most squalid, poorest, dangerous and difficult communities in the 3rd world are begging on hands and knees for the merest sniff of clean water??

what is it Quill??

My post was simply a polite way of pointing out that you have no substantiation. Follow the yellow brick road...

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Re: New 'Health' trend: Raw Water

Post by veya_victaous on Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:45 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:Why (like Raw milk) is this only a trend in the USA?

might it be Libertarian nutjobs that value 'the freedom to sell untreated potentially dangerous water' over 'the freedom of consumers to not be dead.' Cool

America has by default a higher proportion of fuckwit liberals and SJW snowflakes

these young people have been taught (by your kind) to hate themselves much and are brainwashed to believe that they can only be cleansed of their past sins by erasing and destroying their past traditions and heritage they have become broken and rudderless cast adrift in an ever changing sea,ghosts drifting through the ether, they are clutching at anything that feels real.

they have destroyed their past and are struggling to me a new one.

you could shit on a plate and tell them it has health benefits and they would yummy down on it.

mysticism is making a comeback albeit in a new form ,it would seem  




My kind teach using Science, logic and reason Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

And it would be the USA's folly of a poorly funded public education system that allows people to have such a lack of education.
And the lack of education funding is prompted by the Conservatives Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

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Post by Maddog on Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:13 am

veya_victaous wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

America has by default a higher proportion of fuckwit liberals and SJW snowflakes

these young people have been taught (by your kind) to hate themselves much and are brainwashed to believe that they can only be cleansed of their past sins by erasing and destroying their past traditions and heritage they have become broken and rudderless cast adrift in an ever changing sea,ghosts drifting through the ether, they are clutching at anything that feels real.

they have destroyed their past and are struggling to me a new one.

you could shit on a plate and tell them it has health benefits and they would yummy down on it.

mysticism is making a comeback albeit in a new form ,it would seem  




My kind teach using Science, logic and reason Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

And it would be the USA's folly of a poorly funded public education system that allows people to have such a lack of education.
And the lack of education funding is prompted by the Conservatives Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad  

I seriously doubt these clever souls drinking dirty water in San Francisco are conservatives. This is some new age whacked out liberal ideal. Conservatives by their very nature are afraid of doing something different.

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Re: New 'Health' trend: Raw Water

Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:25 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:Why (like Raw milk) is this only a trend in the USA?

might it be Libertarian nutjobs that value 'the freedom to sell untreated potentially dangerous water' over 'the freedom of consumers to not be dead.' Cool

America has by default a higher proportion of fuckwit liberals and SJW snowflakes

these young people have been taught (by your kind) to hate themselves much and are brainwashed to believe that they can only be cleansed of their past sins by erasing and destroying their past traditions and heritage they have become broken and rudderless cast adrift in an ever changing sea,ghosts drifting through the ether, they are clutching at anything that feels real.

they have destroyed their past and are struggling to me a new one.

you could shit on a plate and tell them it has health benefits and they would yummy down on it.

mysticism is making a comeback albeit in a new form ,it would seem  

Rolling Eyes

SmellyDumbFuck stuffs up again...

Attempting to rewrite history to fit his own agenda, yet again..

When in fact, it is the Bible-bashing evangelicals, corporatist denialists, and anti-science conservatives who have been 'dumbing down' the US education system over the past half century.

SmellyBumster -- NewsFix's leading snowflake conservative..

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:32 am

Maddog wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

My kind teach using Science, logic and reason Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

And it would be the USA's folly of a poorly funded public education system that allows people to have such a lack of education.
And the lack of education funding is prompted by the Conservatives Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad  

I seriously doubt these clever souls drinking dirty water in San Francisco are conservatives. This is some new age whacked out liberal ideal. Conservatives by their very nature are afraid of doing something different.

Rolling Eyes

I don't see how you can possibly equate such extreme whackiness with "liberals"...

Sound more like a bunch of spaced out unthinking dimwitted anarchists, who have been smoking too many banana peels ans snorting too much coconut milk..

Left right out of mainstream politics, another result of the conservative & evangelical anti-science "dumbing down" of American education -- the "other side of the coin" to those who voted the Dumpster into office.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:38 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Interesting opinion...but only an opinion.

What else could it be??

Insanity??

What makes the most prosperous, happy safe and richest community on the face of the earth, filled with some of the most creative, dynamic and intelligent people who can't move for clean water, shun that water and start drinking dirty water??

While the most uneducated, illiterate, unsophisticated people living in the most squalid, poorest, dangerous and difficult communities in the 3rd world are begging on hands and knees for the merest sniff of clean water??

what is it Quill??



More SmellyNoClue loopiness...

The USA is no longer the "most prosperous" country on Earth.
Nor has it ever been the "happiest" or "safest"..

As for being the most creative, "dynamic" and intelligent people -- that nonsense is simply more of SmellyNoFriends' usual racist and white supremacist nonsense...

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Post by Maddog on Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:00 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I seriously doubt these clever souls drinking dirty water in San Francisco are conservatives. This is some new age whacked out liberal ideal. Conservatives by their very nature are afraid of doing something different.

Rolling Eyes

I don't see how you can possibly equate such extreme whackiness with "liberals"...

Sound more like a bunch of spaced out unthinking dimwitted anarchists, who have been smoking too many banana peels ans snorting too much coconut milk..

Left right out of mainstream politics, another result of the conservative & evangelical anti-science "dumbing down" of American education  --   the "other side of the coin" to those who voted the Dumpster into office.

I'm not sure what they are. Try to sell dirty water in Ft Worth Texas, and the poorly educated reprobates here won't buy it. They're not as clever as those Silicon Valley folks. Wink

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:22 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

What else could it be??

Insanity??

What makes the most prosperous, happy safe and richest community on the face of the earth, filled with some of the most creative, dynamic and intelligent people who can't move for clean water, shun that water and start drinking dirty water??

While the most uneducated, illiterate, unsophisticated people living in the most squalid, poorest, dangerous and difficult communities in the 3rd world are begging on hands and knees for the merest sniff of clean water??

what is it Quill??



More SmellyNoClue loopiness...

The USA is no longer the "most prosperous" country on Earth.
Nor has it ever been the "happiest" or "safest"..

As for being the most creative, "dynamic" and intelligent people --  that nonsense is simply more of SmellyNoFriends' usual racist and white supremacist nonsense...

I would second that. The laissez-faire strain that runs through conservatism also is aimed at education: minimal government -> eliminate and dumb down educational programs. Besides, educated people tend to go liberal, further depleting the education lever of conservatives. As John Stuart Mill remarked, "I never said conservatives are stupid, I said stupid people are conservative."

Watch the next US budget proposal by Republicans, coming up later this month. Note what's in store for education. Proof and pudding, and all that.

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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:26 pm

Original Quill wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:


More SmellyNoClue loopiness...

The USA is no longer the "most prosperous" country on Earth.
Nor has it ever been the "happiest" or "safest"..

As for being the most creative, "dynamic" and intelligent people --  that nonsense is simply more of SmellyNoFriends' usual racist and white supremacist nonsense...

I would second that.  The laissez-faire strain that runs through conservatism also is aimed at education: minimal government -> eliminate and dumb down educational programs.  Besides, educated people tend to go liberal, further depleting the education lever of conservatives.  As John Stuart Mill remarked, "I never said conservatives are stupid, I said stupid people are conservative."

Watch the next US budget proposal by Republicans, coming up later this month.  Note what's in store for education.  Proof and pudding, and all that.

You mean educated folk like the liberals at silicon Valley drinking sewer water for its health properties??


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Post by Maddog on Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:49 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I would second that.  The laissez-faire strain that runs through conservatism also is aimed at education: minimal government -> eliminate and dumb down educational programs.  Besides, educated people tend to go liberal, further depleting the education lever of conservatives.  As John Stuart Mill remarked, "I never said conservatives are stupid, I said stupid people are conservative."

Watch the next US budget proposal by Republicans, coming up later this month.  Note what's in store for education.  Proof and pudding, and all that.

You mean educated folk like the liberals at silicon Valley drinking sewer water for its health properties??


One has to question the intelligence of anyone that attempts to bash conservatives on a thread about the inhabitants of the most liberal area of the country, buying toilet water to drink. If this stupidity were happening in Alabama, that would make sense. But this is happening in the land of Birkenstocks.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:54 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I would second that.  The laissez-faire strain that runs through conservatism also is aimed at education: minimal government -> eliminate and dumb down educational programs.  Besides, educated people tend to go liberal, further depleting the education lever of conservatives.  As John Stuart Mill remarked, "I never said conservatives are stupid, I said stupid people are conservative."

Watch the next US budget proposal by Republicans, coming up later this month.  Note what's in store for education.  Proof and pudding, and all that.

You mean educated folk like the liberals at silicon Valley drinking sewer water for its health properties??

I think the raw water is from Oregon.

Why do you think that silicon valley folks are liberal? They are the newly anointed wealthy, and because they are technical they tend not to be concerned about social issues...so they tend not to think about, or were never concerned about the same things that liberals care about.

San Francisco is liberal, but silicon valley is San Jose and Stanford University. San Francisco is the west coast banking community; San Jose is the world-wide tech capital: two different things. They both sit on the shores of the San Francisco Bay, but they are miles apart in ideology.

Anyway, rich people behave the same way world-wide. They are non-thinkers, who follow fads. And this raw water is just another fad.

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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:02 pm

Maddog wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

You mean educated folk like the liberals at silicon Valley drinking sewer water for its health properties??


One has to question the intelligence of anyone that attempts to bash conservatives on a thread about the inhabitants of the most liberal area of the country, buying toilet water to drink. If this stupidity were happening in Alabama, that would make sense. But this is happening in the land of Birkenstocks.


The irony is certainly lost on them

I believe that some people can be too intelligent to the point where they come full circle and end up at the lower end of stupidity.


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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:09 pm

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smelly-bandit wrote:

You mean educated folk like the liberals at silicon Valley drinking sewer water for its health properties??

I think the raw water is from Oregon.

Why do you think that silicon valley folks are liberal?  They are the newly anointed wealthy, and because they are technical they tend not to be concerned about social issues...so they tend not to think about, or were never concerned about the same things that liberals care about.

San Francisco is liberal, but silicon valley is San Jose and Stanford University.  San Francisco is the west coast banking community; San Jose is the world-wide tech capital: two different things.  They both sit on the shores of the San Francisco Bay, but they are miles apart in ideology.

Anyway, rich people behave the same way world-wide.  They are non-thinkers, who follow fads.  And this raw water is just another fad.

You said educated people tend to go liberal, silicon Valley is full of educated people, therefore by your own logic the majority must be liberal

Are you abandoning your stand point on that??

Secondly silicon Valley will be filled with young mellenials

Mellenials are products of decades of liberal propaganda, like the Hitler youth, their world view will have been dictated by ruthless indoctrination from very young.

It is beyond ridiculous to pretend silicon Valley is anything but a liberal/social justice warrior stronghold.


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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:15 pm

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One has to question the intelligence of anyone that attempts to bash conservatives on a thread about the inhabitants of the most liberal area of the country, buying toilet water to drink. If this stupidity were happening in Alabama, that would make sense. But this is happening in the land of Birkenstocks.


The irony is certainly lost on them

I believe that some people can be too intelligent to the point where they come full circle and end up at the lower end of stupidity.

What have I always said about the conservative wealthy? They are intellectually lazy. There's no circle. They are in the same spot they always were. Silicon valley types may think they are avant-garde, but they are buying the big homes in Orinda and Burlingame, and making contributions to Republicans. They are nouveau riche.

They are young, but they are just as ignorant as ever, and the raw water thing is just youthful recklessness.

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Re: New 'Health' trend: Raw Water

Post by Original Quill on Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:36 pm

Maddog wrote:You said educated people tend to go liberal, silicon Valley is full of educated people, therefore by your own logic the majority must be liberal

Are you abandoning your stand point on that??

There's a big difference in education.  Doctors are educated; do you think they are liberal?  Getting educated in hard science is not really getting education; its more memory than thinking.  Myself, having gotten both a PhD and a law degree, I have had both experiences...and I'm here to tell you, they are vastly different.

First, Stanford University is founded on rich kids, so they have wealthy habits developed at and early age. Then, computer science departments straddle the technical world, and the creative world.  Computer programming--and I received a minor in it at Berkeley--is not natural science, tbs, but you are dealing with given patterns (like nature) and you have to learn how to work within those patterns.  That's what we mean by technical, and it requires mostly memory.

A contemporary liberal is a social problem solver.  That's why conservatives don't like them...because they play around with things in the social world.  A hard, or technical scientist is and thinks more like the physician: stay within the patterns, and stash as much cash as you can in the outside world.

Silicon valley types are not educated people in the broad sense (they can be, but not generally).  What I meant when I said  the more educated you get, the more liberal you become, requires educated thinkers, not educated technicians.

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Re: New 'Health' trend: Raw Water

Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:37 pm

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The irony is certainly lost on them

I believe that some people can be too intelligent to the point where they come full circle and end up at the lower end of stupidity.

What have I always said about the conservative wealthy?  They are intellectually lazy.    There's no circle.  They are in the same spot they always were.  Silicon valley types may think they are avant-garde, but they are buying the big homes in Orinda and Burlingame, and making contributions to Republicans.  They are nouveau riche.

They are young, but they are just as ignorant as ever, and the raw water thing is just youthful recklessness.  

Youthful recklessness is getting pissed and climbing scaffolding

Or walking on the edge of a wall with a death drop to one side.

Drinking "raw water" is not a fab, its pure stupidity, there is no intelligence involved.

Like I said, the poorest of the poor in the most backwards and unsophisticated parts of Africa know better than to drink "raw" water if they can avoid it, the reason they do drink that shit is because it's all they have to drink and they tend to die from it.

Silicon Valley liberal types may be super educated but they are thick as mince.

I told you that this is a result of liberals destroying their past in an attempt to free themselves from what they consider the sins of that past.

Tearing down statues, rewriting history, erasing the past.

Now they are drifting rudderless, attaching to whatever fab that makes them feel part of something because they have willfully discarded their own heritage and now have nothing build on.

Liberals are a broken nation



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