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Post by Lurker on Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:29 pm

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Republicans in Congress, as well as people surrounding Donald Trump’s inner circle in the White House, clearly know something. They’re trying to get everything they can, looting the store, taking everything off the shelves like it’s the end times. The walls are closing in as the special counsel investigation continues unabated ― causing some in the GOP to to try to damage it ― and as the Resistance becomes supercharged, expanding the Democrats’ chances of making big wins in 2018.

The GOP has even lost its last fig leaf of moderation―Maine senator Susan Collins―who’s been having a meltdown in the past few days after being exposed in much of the media, having voted for the Trump tax scam and not received in return promised votes on shoring up Obamacare markets. (Now GOP leaders are telling her they will come in 2018...sure.) Collins, who voted for Trump’s most misogynistic judicial nominees, hostile to a woman’s right to choose, has devolved into claiming she’s now a victim of an “unbelievably sexist” media, sounding every bit like what the alt-right would call a whiny snowflake.

There’s been much speculation about why Republicans would pass an enormously unpopular tax bill knowing that the narrative of a tax bill at the time of its passage usually doesn’t change later, no matter what the reality turns out to be.

Many have pointed to the White House and GOP leaders wanting a win of any kind, and needing to placate donors ― and even being honest about it ― taking a risk with voters. That’s certainly true for some. Others have pointed to GOP senators, some of whom are leaving Congress, benefiting personally from the bill, the most notable example being Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee flipping his vote after additions to the bill benefited real estate investors like himself (He has adamantly denied this).

I’ve been saying for a while that much of the motivation, however, also seems to be desperation among many Republicans who see the handwriting on the wall. Between the Russia investigation and Trump’s plummeting approval, they know Trump will fall, or that they will soon lose control of the House and possibly the Senate ― or both.

This would explain why even White House officials like Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and White House economic advisor Gary Cohn backed a plan that will hurt Trump with his base and will further his downfall: These Goldman Sachs alums, too, stand to benefit greatly from the tax bill, and they likely see that this might be the last thing they get before the Trump administration collapses. Cohn has certainly both criticized and mocked Trump enough behind his back (in addition to faking bad reception to hang up on Trump) for us to imagine he is not acting in Trump’s best political interests.

Trump, too, is clearly freaking out about the Russia investigation and is desperately trying to cling to his base, no matter what the costs. The reckless announcement to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, while it played well to several factions in Trump’s shrinking base, has caused reverberations around the world, forcing Mike Pence to cancel his trip to the Middle East, bringing a rebuke from the United Nations General Assembly and seriously raising tensions in a way that will come back to haunt Trump and the U.S.

Banning transgender people from the military (though courts have put this on hold) and the news reported last week that the Centers for Disease Control has been told by the Trump administration to ban in budget documents words and terms like “transgender,” fetus” and “science-based,” plays to evangelicals ― whose support for Trump has dropped by 17 percent in a recent Pew poll ― but horrifies most Americans who can see signs of a turn toward fascism.

But while Trump may believe these desperate moves will help him, the GOP in Congress knows that Trump can’t win again by only playing to his decimated base.

Trump’s 2016 win ― without the popular vote and with Russian interference and James Comey’s recklessness ― was a fluke in which he won the Electoral College by less than 85,000 votes in three states; his base has shrunk (and slowly keeps eroding) and nothing is bringing it back. By placating some aspects of the base ― like evangelicals ― with the aforementioned actions, he’s actually scaring away others in the base, and GOP leaders see this. From Virginia to Alabama, they know the blue wave is building into a possible tsunami next fall.

They will use every sleazy tactic at their disposal, from voter suppression and ID laws to looking the other way of more possible Russian interference, but it may not be enough to overcome the wave. That will be compounded by the corruption and misjudgments of some of the candidates that the GOP’s base, often with the help of Steve Bannon and other extremists, will back in primaries ― as we saw in Virginia and Alabama.

All of this means that, as horrifying and demoralizing as the current climate is, and as damaging as this tax scam will be for years to come, progressives and Democrats must stay committed and determined because of a very real shot at beating the crap out of the GOP at the ballot box in 2018. And Trump may be taken down, either before finishing his term or in 2020 (if he’s not taken down by the GOP first in GOP presidential primaries).

Undoing the catastrophic damage that Trump and the GOP have created since the start of the Trump presidency will take years. Some of it may be impossible to undo, something the GOP is banking on. But it seems pretty clear that if progressives stay energized and don’t let up, Democrats will take back power. And it seems even more clear the GOP knows that.


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Re: The GOP Knows The End Is Near

Post by Lurker on Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:50 pm

Trump and his entire administration are the dumbest hillbillies on the planet. There's not one brain cell among the entire lot.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:02 pm

Repent!!! The end is near.

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Re: The GOP Knows The End Is Near

Post by Original Quill on Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:50 pm

Lurker wrote:Trump and his entire administration are the dumbest hillbillies on the planet. There's not one brain cell among the entire lot.

Eh...what happens when a rich man must commit suicide?  The Republicans control all centers of government, yet they can only carry out internecine.

They have cast their nets too wide: tea party, Taxpayer Protection Pledge (no new taxes), anti-Muslim warhawks, Neo-Con commitments and nationalism politics.  Does the tea party want to grow the deficit as this new Tax Act does?  Do they want to pay for another war as the warhawks would like?  These are the forces that are pulling the party apart.

It's too much.

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Post by Jules on Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:49 pm

He always escapes from a tight spot, like Houdini. He should be renamed ''Teflon Don''

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Post by Jules on Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:54 pm

Donald is not a true republican. He used to be a democrat, he cynically hitched a ride on the republican ticket - and won.


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Post by Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly on Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:16 am

Ha, the Republican Party is only dead for 15-20 years, because people continuously prove themselves incapable of learning from their last shit show. See: the Bush recession, the unnecessary invasion of Iraq, the response to Hurricane Katrina, the Papa Bush Recession, ketchup is a vegetable, selling arms to terrorists, trees are the biggest polluters, the Southern Strategy, I am not a crook, etc.

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Post by eddie on Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:08 am

Ben Reilly wrote:Ha, the Republican Party is only dead for 15-20 years, because people continuously prove themselves incapable of learning from their last shit show. See: the Bush recession, the unnecessary invasion of Iraq, the response to Hurricane Katrina, the Papa Bush Recession, ketchup is a vegetable, selling arms to terrorists, trees are the biggest polluters, the Southern Strategy, I am not a crook, etc.

Ketchup is a saucy sauce and a hair dye. Everyone knows that.

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Post by Maddog on Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:27 pm

Jules wrote:Donald is not a true republican. He used to be a democrat, he cynically hitched a ride on the republican ticket - and won.


He's not even close. It's a shame so many people on each end of the political spectrum don't really get that.

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Post by Maddog on Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:29 pm

Lurker wrote:Trump and his entire administration are the dumbest hillbillies on the planet. There's not one brain cell among the entire lot.

Do you know what a hillbilly is, and from what part of the country they originate?

What in the hell is wrong with the Americans on this forum?

Who in the fuck calls a Yankee from NYC a hillbilly?

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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:33 pm

Maddog wrote:
Lurker wrote:Trump and his entire administration are the dumbest hillbillies on the planet. There's not one brain cell among the entire lot.

Do you know what a hillbilly is, and from what part of the country they originate?

What in the hell is wrong with the Americans on this forum?

Who in the fuck calls a Yankee from NYC a hillbilly?

What wrong with the Yanks on here??

Most of them had their little minds blown by the trump train and now they suffer from PTSD


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Post by Maddog on Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:37 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Do you know what a hillbilly is, and from what part of the country they originate?

What in the hell is wrong with the Americans on this forum?

Who in the fuck calls a Yankee from NYC a hillbilly?

What wrong with the Yanks on here??

Most of them had their little minds blown by the trump train and now they suffer from PTSD


I'm cool with them not liking Trump. But don't say dumb thinks like Trump is a hillbilly. Especially if you claim to be from Tennessee. cheers

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Post by eddie on Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:53 pm

Labels, labels everywhere....where they stick, some don't care.

Sometimes, a poster from the real left and the real right can absolutely silently agree on a thread, say about dogs, but they wouldn't admit it nor put aside their political differences to chat about dogs either.
It's so hilariously childish.

It blows my mind sometimes. And not in a good way.

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Post by Maddog on Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:05 pm

eddie wrote:Labels, labels everywhere....where they stick, some don't care.

Sometimes, a poster from the real left and the real right can absolutely silently agree on a thread, say about dogs, but they wouldn't admit it nor put aside their political differences to chat about dogs either.
It's so hilariously childish.

It blows my mind sometimes. And not in a good way.

Labels are silly, but at least make them accurate. You can call me a Redneck, a Yank or a Septic. Calling me an ignorant Kiwi makes little sense.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:30 pm

Maddog wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

What wrong with the Yanks on here??

Most of them had their little minds blown by the trump train and now they suffer from PTSD


I'm cool with them not liking Trump. But don't say dumb thinks like Trump is a hillbilly. Especially if you claim to be from Tennessee.   cheers

I'm sure he's just using the term loosely. Hillbilly = cracker = redneck = southerner. They are the core of Trump's base, so it's a natural connection to make.

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Post by Jules on Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:36 pm

Maddog wrote:
Jules wrote:Donald is not a true republican. He used to be a democrat, he cynically hitched a ride on the republican ticket - and won.


He's not even close. It's a shame so many people on each end of the political spectrum don't really get that.


Yes I should have added that he's definitely not a true democrat either.

Would have been more honest to run as Independent but then he would not have won.

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Post by Jules on Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:40 pm

Some folks are so darned fickle.  Wasn't Jared K. a solid democrat  ... till they jailed his daddy?  afro flower lol!

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:59 pm

Jules wrote:Some folks are so darned fickle.  Wasn't Jared K. a solid democrat  ... till they jailed his daddy?  afro flower lol!

Point taken. The heart of all Republicans is where the money is. Twisted Evil

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:08 am

Maddog wrote:
Lurker wrote:Trump and his entire administration are the dumbest hillbillies on the planet. There's not one brain cell among the entire lot.

Do you know what a hillbilly is, and from what part of the country they originate?

What in the hell is wrong with the Americans on this forum?

Who in the fuck calls a Yankee from NYC a hillbilly?

I think you are right. I believe the reason why Trump is associated with the moniker "hillbilly" is that his whole platform is built around 'white trash' values, symbols and beliefs. The hillbilly is most associated with those values, symbols and beliefs. As it turns out, although he is a New Yorker his core supporters are strong in places like West Virginia, So. Carolina and Alabama.

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Post by Lurker on Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:45 pm

Jules wrote:
Maddog wrote:

He's not even close. It's a shame so many people on each end of the political spectrum don't really get that.


Yes I should have added that he's definitely not a true democrat either.

Would have been more honest to run as Independent but then he would not have won.

Trump is more of a Nazi. Adolf Hitler is his hero.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:42 am



Trump is an opportunistic corporatist--style fascist, targetting the "lowest common denominator"...

The only thing he is really interested in is seeing how he can profit from any situation..

Screw the environment, local communities, average workers and human rights.

The disabled and dispossessed, the poor and the unemployed --  they are only there to be exploited, laughed at, scapegoated, then kicked aside..

Anyone disagrees with the Donald, then obviously they (you) must be jealous, communist, anti-American, lazy or just plain "bad"...

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Post by Maddog on Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:41 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Do you know what a hillbilly is, and from what part of the country they originate?

What in the hell is wrong with the Americans on this forum?

Who in the fuck calls a Yankee from NYC a hillbilly?

I think you are right.  I believe the reason why Trump is associated with the moniker "hillbilly" is that his whole platform is built around 'white trash' values, symbols and beliefs.  The hillbilly is most associated with those values, symbols and beliefs.  As it turns out, although he is a New Yorker his core supporters are strong in places like West Virginia, So. Carolina and Alabama.

You think I'm right?

The term hillbilly has been around at least a century, and anyone who lives in the US should know to whom it applies. It's like calling someone from Nebraska a Coon Ass.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:13 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I think you are right.  I believe the reason why Trump is associated with the moniker "hillbilly" is that his whole platform is built around 'white trash' values, symbols and beliefs.  The hillbilly is most associated with those values, symbols and beliefs.  As it turns out, although he is a New Yorker his core supporters are strong in places like West Virginia, So. Carolina and Alabama.

You think I'm right?

The term hillbilly has been around at least a century, and anyone who lives in the US should know to whom it applies. It's like calling someone from Nebraska a Coon Ass.

Actually, the term goes back to Scotland:

The Appalachian region was largely settled in the 1700s by the Scotch-Irish, the majority of whom originated in the lowlands of Scotland. The most credible theory of the term's origin is that it derives from the linkage of two older Scottish expressions, "hill-folk" and "billie" which was a synonym for "fellow", similar to "guy" or "fellow", or "bloke".
http://thomaslegion.net/hillbilly_what_is_a_hillbilly_definition_origin_term.html

It's applied to Trump most likely because 1) he's a Scot; and/or 2) most of his followers are hillbillies.  He does have a strong following from the Appalachian region.

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Maddog wrote:

You think I'm right?

The term hillbilly has been around at least a century, and anyone who lives in the US should know to whom it applies. It's like calling someone from Nebraska a Coon Ass.

Actually, the term goes back to Scotland:

The Appalachian region was largely settled in the 1700s by the Scotch-Irish, the majority of whom originated in the lowlands of Scotland. The most credible theory of the term's origin is that it derives from the linkage of two older Scottish expressions, "hill-folk" and "billie" which was a synonym for "fellow", similar to "guy" or "fellow", or "bloke".
http://thomaslegion.net/hillbilly_what_is_a_hillbilly_definition_origin_term.html

It's applied to Trump most likely because 1) he's a Scot; and/or 2) most of his followers are hillbillies.  He does have a strong following from the Appalachian region.

Sigh...........

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Post by Jules on Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:06 pm

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Maddog wrote:

Do you know what a hillbilly is, and from what part of the country they originate?

What in the hell is wrong with the Americans on this forum?

Who in the fuck calls a Yankee from NYC a hillbilly?

I think you are right.  I believe the reason why Trump is associated with the moniker "hillbilly" is that his whole platform is built around 'white trash' values, symbols and beliefs.  The hillbilly is most associated with those values, symbols and beliefs.  As it turns out, although he is a New Yorker his core supporters are strong in places like West Virginia, So. Carolina and Alabama.

Yes he gets into bed with hillbillies so the fact that culturally he's not a real hillbilly, that's by the by.

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