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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:09 am

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Trump may order US embassy moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem Wednesday

That would give Israel's claim to the entire city de facto US recognition

Israel claims all of Jerusalem as its capital; Palestinians also claim it as theirs

At present the world does not officially recognize Israel's claim to East Jerusalem

It took that section of the city after a war with a group of Arab states in 1965

US presidents have kept the embassy in Tel Aviv to avoid recognizing the claim

Recognition will infuriate the Arabs, and undo attempts to broker peace

But the final decision has not yet been made, officials have claimed

Donald Trump is likely to announce next week that the United States recognizes Jerusalem, not Tel Aviv, as Israel's capital, a senior official has said - potentially causing chaos in the Middle East.

Trump may make the declaration on Wednesday, the senior member of the administration told Reuters.

If he does, it will deal a serious blow to the Middle East peace protest.

Jerusalem - which contains sites holy to the Muslim, Jewish and Christian faiths - is claimed as the capital of both the state of Israel and a proposed Palestinian state.

The international community doesn't recognize the Palestinian claim and does not recognize Israel's claim to section sections of the city that it annexed from Palestine following the 1967 Middle East War.

But in 1995, a law was passed declaring that the US embassy be moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

Every president since then has signed a waver every six months to put off that transfer, in the hope of not further widening the rifts that exist in the region.

Instead, they have said, Jerusalem's status must be decided only in negotiations.

Trump pledged on the presidential campaign trail last year that he would move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

But in June he waived the requirement, saying he wanted to 'maximize the chances' for a new US-led push for what he has called the 'ultimate deal' of Israeli-Palestinian peace.

Those efforts have made little, if any, progress so far and many experts are skeptical of the prospects for success.

Now, the possibility that Trump may take this chance to bestow US recognition on Israel's claim has upset many Arab leaders in the surrounding region.

It could also unravel the US administration's fledgling diplomatic effort, led by Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner, to restart long-stalled Israeli-Palestinian peace talks and enlist the support of the US's Arab allies.

Nabil Abu Rdainah, spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, said America's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital would 'destroy the peace process' and 'destabilize the region.'

And while visiting Washington this week, Jordan's King Abdullah warned lawmakers that moving the embassy could be 'exploited by terrorists to stoke anger, frustration and desperation,' according to the Jordanian state news agency Petra.

Such a move, however, could help satisfy the pro-Israel, right-wing base - particularly evangelical Christians - that helped Trump win the presidency. It would also please the Israeli government, a close US ally.

And some of Trump's top aides have privately pushed for him to keep his campaign promise for that reason

The senior US official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said details were still being finalized and could still change.

Another American official also said Trump appeared to be heading toward recognizing Israel's claim to Jerusalem but that it was not a done deal.

We've nothing to announce,' said a spokesperson with the White House National Security Council.

Trump is reportedly weighing in personally in the intense internal deliberations, a White House aide said.

Despite the short-term gains to be had for him, he may still stick with the established program and sign a waiver keeping the embassy in Tel Aviv for another six months.

But seeking to temper his supporters' concerns, another option under consideration is for him to order his aides to develop a longer-term plan for the embassy's relocation, to make clear his intent to do so eventually, the officials said.

It was unclear, however, whether any public recognition by Trump of Israel's claim on Jerusalem would be formally enshrined in a presidential action or be more of a symbolic statement.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5137481/Trump-likely-recognize-Jerusalem-Israels-capital-week-official.html

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Re: Trump likely to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital next week

Post by Jules on Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:42 am

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Quill is well liked by most people on here. There is little to be gained by going after him. I get that you don't agree with  his views but that's what a forum is all about.

I am fine with his views. I am not fine with his version of the facts, which are fantasy. If you like that, you are free to accept his fantasy version of facts.
And I don't give a fat rat's ass if I'm liked here, or anywhere else. Cool  
You are changing the subject. It's not about you being liked/disliked.
I was speaking specifically about Quill. You do seem to follow him around a bit.

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Post by Didge on Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:51 am

Jules wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I am fine with his views. I am not fine with his version of the facts, which are fantasy. If you like that, you are free to accept his fantasy version of facts.
And I don't give a fat rat's ass if I'm liked here, or anywhere else. Cool  
You are changing the subject. It's not about you being liked/disliked.
I was speaking specifically about Quill. You do seem to follow him around a bit.

So now quill cannot stand up for himself and that he needs to be shielded from any debate?

Get a grip

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Re: Trump likely to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital next week

Post by Original Quill on Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:44 am

Didge wrote:
Jules wrote:
You are changing the subject. It's not about you being liked/disliked.
I was speaking specifically about Quill. You do seem to follow him around a bit.

So now quill cannot stand up for himself and that he needs to be shielded from any debate?

Get a grip

Didge, don't pick on Jules. I'm right here.

Maddog seems to have a personal jealousy. I agree with him half the time, but he finds more to pick a fight over. He seems to not accept my agreement, but seek out more to fight about.

I've abandoned the whole effort with him. If you've got a problem, phlebotomist-boy, come get some.

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Re: Trump likely to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital next week

Post by Didge on Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:50 am

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:

So now quill cannot stand up for himself and that he needs to be shielded from any debate?

Get a grip

Didge, don't pick on Jules.  I'm right here.

Maddog seems to have a personal jealousy.  I agree with him half the time, but he finds more to pick a fight over.  He seems to not accept my agreement, but seek out more to fight about.

I've abandoned the whole effort with him.  If you've got a problem, phlebotomist-boy, come get some.

You sound like you are trying to make a victim out off yourself, which is what Jules was poorly attemtping to do also and i will call you both out on this.

Maddog rightly kept asking questions that you kept running away from.

He has every right to do that, even more when its clear you were in the wrong

So I dont care for your excuses or that halfwit Jules trying to cover for your fuckups in debates, by trying to make you out as some victim

Your not, all that happened was maddog exposed your ignorance on the difference between debts and deficits.

So your poor unfounded accusations against Maddog, simple do not hold validity. It just proves how much you are trying to worm your way out of a hole you dug for yourself. Where you looked very stupid

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Re: Trump likely to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital next week

Post by Original Quill on Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:32 pm

Dumb as ever. Laughing

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Post by Maddog on Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:39 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:

So now quill cannot stand up for himself and that he needs to be shielded from any debate?

Get a grip

Didge, don't pick on Jules.  I'm right here.

Maddog seems to have a personal jealousy.  I agree with him half the time, but he finds more to pick a fight over.  He seems to not accept my agreement, but seek out more to fight about.

I've abandoned the whole effort with him.  If you've got a problem, phlebotomist-boy, come get some.

I don't have jealousy at all. You spout incorrect numbers and falsehoods about the US. You stereotype and generalize people that live here. I will continue to correct you, even if other members here let you slide because of their tribalism.

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Re: Trump likely to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital next week

Post by Maddog on Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:40 pm

Jules wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I am fine with his views. I am not fine with his version of the facts, which are fantasy. If you like that, you are free to accept his fantasy version of facts.
And I don't give a fat rat's ass if I'm liked here, or anywhere else. Cool  
You are changing the subject. It's not about you being liked/disliked.
I was speaking specifically about Quill. You do seem to follow him around a bit.

Well, he spends a lot of time posting bullshit. I don't mean his opinions either.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:53 pm

Maddog wrote:
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You are changing the subject. It's not about you being liked/disliked.
I was speaking specifically about Quill. You do seem to follow him around a bit.

Well, he spends a lot of time posting bullshit.  I don't mean his opinions either.

How would you know? You hardly say anything.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:05 pm

Original Quill wrote:
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Well, he spends a lot of time posting bullshit.  I don't mean his opinions either.

How would you know?  You hardly say anything.

I am succinct.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:07 pm

Maddog wrote:
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How would you know?  You hardly say anything.

I am succinct.

If that's what 'nothing' is, keep it up.

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Post by smelly-bandit on Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:35 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

How would you know?  You hardly say anything.

I am succinct.

If only Quill could be so

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:30 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I am succinct.

If only Quill could be so

I am, always.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:51 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I am succinct.

If that's what 'nothing' is, keep it up.

I shall.

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Post by Didge on Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:46 am


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Post by smelly-bandit on Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:19 pm

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amazing how you're suddenly on the side of the British empire

and that wasn't the work of terrorists

it was the work of freedom fighters

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Post by Didge on Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:23 pm

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amazing how you're suddenly on the side of the British empire

and that wasn't the work of terrorists

it was the work of freedom fighters


No, they were terrorists, denounced by the official Jewish authorities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunting_Season

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Post by Didge on Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:29 pm

I received a very typical Twitter response to my earlier article about the high life expectancy of Israeli Arabs: "Does that legitimise occupation?"

I've noted in the past that many people, when looking at Israel, wear "occupation glasses." Nothing else matters. If the information they receive is bad, then it is the "occupation"'s fault, if it is bad then it is being used to divert attention from the "occupation."

The Israel-haters think that they have a slam dunk when mentioning "occupation" - it is their shorthand for repression, injustice, and colonialism.

For some reason Israel doesn't do a good enough job when answering this. So here is a short response that works wonders:


If there was a Palestinian state, there would be no "occupation."

And the ONLY reason there is no Palestinian state is because the Palestinian leadership has rejected every offer for one.

Every time.

Pointing this irrefutable fact out does a number of things. It shows that Israel doesn't want to control another people, it shows that Israel wants peace, and it shows that Palestinians prefer "occupation" to statehood.

Moreover, it puts the Israel-hater on the defensive, forced to stutter that the peace offers weren't good enough or whatever. To which the response is....then the "occupation" cannot really be so bad, can it?

When forced to answer this simple observation, the Israel-haters show that they don't want a state either. They will say that a state without Jerusalem or without "return" of "refugees" - not to Palestine, but to Israel - is not worth it.

Showing that they don't really care about "occupation" but about destroying Israel.

In the 1930s and 1940s, Zionists said they would accept a state the size of a handkerchief. They accepted a UN partition plan that wrested Jerusalem from them. They desperately needed a state for the Jews to live in without fear of being murdered.

Palestinians, however, don't have any sense of urgency in their supposed quest for a state. They are willing to wait decades.

If that is true, then they are the ones who are prolonging 'occupation," not Israel.


http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2017/12/butbutwhat-about-occupation-poster.html

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Post by smelly-bandit on Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:34 am

GREAT FIND IN ISRAEL: Seal Impression That Validates Biblical Record 2,700 Years Old

On Monday, archaeologists announced they had found a 2,700-year-old seal impression from the First Temple Period that validates Biblical references from almost 3,000 years ago.

The seal was discovered near the plaza of the Western Wall Plaza in Jerusalem. Excavator Dr. Shlomit Weksler-Bdolah enthused, “The Bible mentions two governors of Jerusalem, and this finding thus reveals that such a position was actually held by someone in the city some 2700 years ago."

She added:

It is likely that one of the buildings in our excavation was the destination of this transport, sent by the city governor. The finding of a seal with this high-rank title, in addition to the large assemblage of actual seals found in the building in the past, supports the assumption that this area, located on the western slopes of the western hill of ancient Jerusalem, some 100 m west of the Temple Mount, was inhabited by highly ranked officials during the First Temple period. This is the first time that such a sealing is found in an authorized excavation. It supports the biblical rendering of the existence of a governor of the city in Jerusalem 2700 years ago.


Hebrew University's Professor Tallay Ornan and Tel Aviv University's Professor Benjamin Sass described the seal impression thus:

Above a double line are two standing men, facing each other in a mirror-like manner. Their heads are depicted as large dots, lacking any details. The hands facing outward are dropped down, and the hands facing inward are raised. Each of the figures is wearing a striped, knee-length garment. In the register beneath the double line is an inscription in ancient Hebrew, with no spacing between the words and no definite article. The inscription denotes :lesar ha'air,” or “belonging to the governor of the city.” The title “governor of the city” is known from the Bible and from extra-Biblical documents, and refers to an official appointed by the king. Governors of Jerusalem are mentioned twice in the Bible: in 2 Kings, Joshua is the governor of the city in the days of Hezekiah, and in 2 Chronicles, Maaseiah is the governor of the city in the days of Josiah.


Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat said excitedly:

It is very overwhelming to receive greetings from First Temple-period Jerusalem. This shows that already 2700 years ago, Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, was a strong and central city. Jerusalem is one of the most ancient capitals of the world, continually populated by the Jewish people for more than 3000 years. Today we have the privilege to encounter another one of the long chain of persons and leaders that built and developed the city. We are grateful to be living in a city with such a magnificent past, and are obligated to ensure its strength for generations to come, as we daily do.

The seal impression measures 13 x 15mm across its face and is 2-3mm thick.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/25267/great-find-israel-seal-impression-validates-hank-berrien?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:18 pm

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Re: SmellyBum's dailywire.com blog excerpt...

What amazingly fortuitous and convenient timing for that earth-shattering "discovery"  !          Razz

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Post by Vicar of Dibley (vod) on Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:50 pm

For Christians well most this is a wonderful thing and is the beginning of prophecy being fulfilled .

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