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Post by Guest on Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:32 pm

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Archaeologists have cast doubt on the accuracy of the Bible after uncovering new evidence about camels.

Carbon dating suggests the animals were not domesticated in Israel until the 9th century BC - hundreds of years after they were depicted in the Old Testament.

Camels feature in biblical stories involving Abraham and Joseph.

The research was carried out by Erez Ben-Yosef and Lidar Sapir-Hen of Israel's Tel-Aviv University.

A statement from the university, reported in the Times of Israel, said the discrepancy “is direct proof that the [Biblical] text was compiled well after the events it describes”.

The archeologists found camel bones in layers that dated from the last third of the 10th century BC or later, long after they feature in the Bible.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/05/the-bible-camels_n_4730151.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:40 pm

heavenly father wrote:
Eilzel wrote:Yeah right my gay bias, and my evidence based disbelief couldn't possibly come from the same place as other non gay posters here now could it.

Grow up HF.

evidence based disbelief... lol! lol! lol! lol! 


The evidence is there to see in the 3 religions in the religious text, are you saying your biblical book is flawed now?

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:48 pm

PhilDidge wrote:
heavenly father wrote:

evidence based disbelief... lol! lol! lol! lol! 


The evidence is there to see in the 3 religions in the religious text, are you saying your biblical book is flawed now?

the bible isn't flawed just the understanding on the part of those who see offense as how they want to live is not what the bible condones..lol

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:53 pm

heavenly father wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:


The evidence is there to see in the 3 religions in the religious text, are you saying your biblical book is flawed now?

the bible isn't flawed just the understanding on the part of those who see offense as how they want to live is not what the bible condones..lol

So you thus then back a vengeful, barbaric, jealous. petty deity then
It is flawed if I can think of better ways to accomplish something than a deity that is meant to be infallible

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:55 pm

PhilDidge wrote:
heavenly father wrote:

the bible isn't flawed just the understanding on the part of those who see offense as how they want to live is not what the bible condones..lol

So you thus then back a vengeful, barbaric, jealous. petty deity then
It is flawed if I can think of better ways to accomplish something than a deity that is meant to be infallible

oh as long as its backed by research and not gay anger, lol

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:00 pm

heavenly father wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:


The evidence is there to see in the 3 religions in the religious text, are you saying your biblical book is flawed now?

the bible isn't flawed j
ust the understanding on the part of those who see offense as how they want to live is not what the bible condones..lol
1. God is satisfied with his works
        Gen 1:31
       God is dissatisfied with his works.
        Gen 6:6
    2. God dwells in chosen temples
        2 Chron 7:12,16
       God dwells not in temples
        Acts 7:48
    3. God dwells in light
        Tim 6:16
       God dwells in darkness
        1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
    4. God is seen and heard
        Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
         Ex 24:9-11
       God is invisible and cannot be heard
        John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
    5. God is tired and rests
        Ex 31:17
       God is never tired and never rests
        Is 40:28
    6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
        Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
       God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all    
       things
        Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:01 pm

heavenly father wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:

So you thus then back a vengeful, barbaric, jealous. petty deity then
It is flawed if I can think of better ways to accomplish something than a deity that is meant to be infallible

oh as long as its backed by research and not gay anger, lol

Nice try and deflecting about some posters on here, but that is no answer to my points.

Try again

So why did this deity you follow need to wipe out the vast majority of life on earth due to the sins of humans? When being as this Deity can do anything, why did he not just wipe out humans with a virus instead of sending a flood?
Why put an apple tree in to a garden, knowing full well both Adam and Eve have no free will, are going to eat this and then this deity is going to make them suffer for something this deity premeditated? They were both created without free will, this only came after eating the fruit from the tree?

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:04 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:
heavenly father wrote:

the bible isn't flawed j
ust the understanding on the part of those who see offense as how they want to live is not what the bible condones..lol
1. God is satisfied with his works
        Gen 1:31
       God is dissatisfied with his works.
        Gen 6:6
    2. God dwells in chosen temples
        2 Chron 7:12,16
       God dwells not in temples
        Acts 7:48
    3. God dwells in light
        Tim 6:16
       God dwells in darkness
        1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
    4. God is seen and heard
        Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
         Ex 24:9-11
       God is invisible and cannot be heard
        John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
    5. God is tired and rests
        Ex 31:17
       God is never tired and never rests
        Is 40:28
    6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
        Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
       God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all    
       things
        Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

Oh dear another rank amateur who doesn't understand context... lol! 

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:05 pm

Explain each context then?

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:06 pm

PhilDidge wrote:Explain each context then?

didn't they teach you it catholic school.. :D 

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:07 pm

heavenly father wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:Explain each context then?

didn't they teach you it catholic school.. :D 


Another copout answer, you said it was not in context, so explain the context you think is wrong here from Korben

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:12 pm

PhilDidge wrote:
heavenly father wrote:

didn't they teach you it catholic school.. :D 


Another copout answer, you said it was not in context, so explain the context you thing is wrong here from Korben

please you two geniuses of bible research should be able to work it out.. :D 

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:30 pm

heavenly father wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:


Another copout answer, you said it was not in context, so explain the context you thing is wrong here from Korben

please you two geniuses of bible research should be able to work it out.. :D 
Lying approved and sanctioned
Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22

There's the context

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:35 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:
heavenly father wrote:

please you two geniuses of bible research should be able to work it out.. :D 
Lying approved and sanctioned
         Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22

There's the context

evilbible.com pleased you went for the intellectual unbiased sites..lol

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:43 pm

heavenly father wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:
Lying approved and sanctioned
         Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22

There's the context

evilbible.com pleased you went for the intellectual unbiased sites..lol
well its always nice to be able to find all the bullshit about the drivel you spout in one neatly supplied bite size pieces a place easy to access

but all the quotes are in the bible






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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:54 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:
heavenly father wrote:

evilbible.com pleased you went for the intellectual unbiased sites..lol
well its always nice to be able to find all the bullshit about the drivel you spout in one neatly supplied bite size pieces  a place easy to access

but all the quotes are in the bible










of course they are but they are quoted in a way that show no idea of context they assume just because one says red the other says blue its a contradiction and its not the case..

if you find a slightly less biased site, which shouldn't be that difficult, it might be taken a little more seriously..

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:58 pm

Yes but you keep saying context without explaining the context, thus you are becoming the king of copout JF.

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:04 pm

PhilDidge wrote:Yes but you keep saying context without explaining the context, thus you are becoming the king of copout JF.

who's JF??

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:13 pm

heavenly father wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:
well its always nice to be able to find all the bullshit about the drivel you spout in one neatly supplied bite size pieces  a place easy to access

but all the quotes are in the bible










of course they are but they are quoted in a way that show no idea of context they assume just because one says red the other says blue its a contradiction and its not the case..

if you find a slightly less biased site, which shouldn't be that difficult, it might be taken a little more seriously..
i am not sure why you think actual quotes from the bible are biased is it because you can't actually refute any of them and the game is up

But if you can supply the context, that explains the contradictions
then do so

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:34 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:
heavenly father wrote:

of course they are but they are quoted in a way that show no idea of context they assume just because one says red the other says blue its a contradiction and its not the case..

if you find a slightly less biased site, which shouldn't be that difficult, it might be taken a little more seriously..
i am not sure why you think actual quotes from the bible are biased is it because you can't actually refute any of them and the game is up

But if you can supply the context, that explains the contradictions
then do so

the games up..lol do you think you have proved the bible wrong, you are so funny, i could tell you exactly what is wrong with the quotes but you would just come back with more rubbish from your evilofthe bible site and expect more answers, why do you want answers, are you really searching for a truth that your spirit is yelling out for, perhaps you think you think you could somehow shake my beliefs or some other believers beliefs, which ever way it is, find out for your self if I give you a fish you'll eat from the table of knowledge for one day, if you learn to fish you might feast on knowledge all you life..

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:41 pm

heavenly father wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:
i am not sure why you think actual quotes from the bible are biased is it because you can't actually refute any of them and the game is up

But if you can supply the context, that explains the contradictions
then do so

the games up..lol do you think you have proved the bible wrong, you are so funny, i could tell you exactly what is wrong with the quotes but you would just come back with more rubbish from your evilofthe bible site and expect more answers, why do you want answers, are you really searching for a truth that your spirit is yelling out for, perhaps you think you think you could somehow shake my beliefs or some other believers beliefs,  which ever way it is, find out for your self if I give you a fish you'll eat from the table of knowledge for one day, if you learn to fish you might feast on knowledge all you life..
So you could tell me exactly what is wrong with the quotes
but you won`t

how very typical

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach him to fish and he will eat every day

seems you don`t want to teach



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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:42 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:
heavenly father wrote:

the games up..lol do you think you have proved the bible wrong, you are so funny, i could tell you exactly what is wrong with the quotes but you would just come back with more rubbish from your evilofthe bible site and expect more answers, why do you want answers, are you really searching for a truth that your spirit is yelling out for, perhaps you think you think you could somehow shake my beliefs or some other believers beliefs,  which ever way it is, find out for your self if I give you a fish you'll eat from the table of knowledge for one day, if you learn to fish you might feast on knowledge all you life..
So you could tell me exactly what is wrong with the quotes
but you won`t

how very typical

Find out yourself you will love what you find out. try a Christian website and type in the quotes..

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:44 pm

heavenly father wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:
So you could tell me exactly what is wrong with the quotes
but you won`t

how very typical

Find out yourself you will love what you find out. try a Christian website and type in the quotes..
Defelct deflect how hypocritical of you

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:47 pm

Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
unless you ask HF that guy will just bullshit you (Matthew 7:7-8 )

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Korben Dallas wrote:Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.  For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
unless you ask HF that guy will just bullshit you  (Matthew 7:7-8 )

it is to ask God not people, you see that's about context too....check the passage about casting pearls before swine thats always a good one..

I'm impressed in your vigour to find the word though very good.

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:57 pm

Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian




10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering.  And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."


3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers.  You consider that to be evidence that prayer works.  And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:00 pm

To be fair to you your not really a good christian any way according to the bible


Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10

Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17

Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:03 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:To be fair to you your not really a good christian any way according to the bible


Don’t associate with non-Christians.  Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them.  2 John 1:10

Shun those who disagree with your religious views.  Romans 16:17

Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8

You are quite right I am not a good Christian but i have a perfect Saviour, Praise the Lord..

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:06 pm

heavenly father wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:To be fair to you your not really a good christian any way according to the bible


Don’t associate with non-Christians.  Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them.  2 John 1:10

Shun those who disagree with your religious views.  Romans 16:17

Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8

You are quite right I am not a good Christian but i have a perfect Saviour, Praise the Lord..
If God is perfect, there can be no disequilibrium. There is nothing he needs, nothing he desires, and nothing he must or will do. A God who is perfect does nothing except exist. A perfect creator God is impossible.

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:14 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:
heavenly father wrote:

You are quite right I am not a good Christian but i have a perfect Saviour, Praise the Lord..
If God is perfect, there can be no disequilibrium. There is nothing he needs, nothing he desires, and nothing he must or will do. A God who is perfect does nothing except exist. A perfect creator God is impossible.


what!!!! who said he has to do anything, he doesn't have to include us in any way , he chooses too..

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:29 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

i was baptized ........still waiting for this "gift"

So was I, but since the gift is a place in heaven I think, on balance, that I would like to put off receiving my gift for a decade or two.
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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:58 pm

Beekeeper wrote:cyclops      

Smelly_bandit has obviously 'lost the plot' completely...

Heavenly_father simply lost his way ages ago..

And now Fred M. has also lost his camel too !



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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:06 pm

Eilzel wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

and why would the holy spirit wish to talk to everyone??

that would eliminate the very concept of faith









The question was in response to HF; keep up.

This is a free for all

If you don't like it bugger off

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:26 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

i was baptized ........still waiting for this "gift"

So was I, but since the gift is a place in heaven I think, on balance, that I would like to put off receiving my gift for a decade or two.
Amen
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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:28 pm

when and how where you baptised ...

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Post by Eilzel on Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:15 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

The question was in response to HF; keep up.

This is a free for all

If you don't like it bugger off

Hey you asked a stupid question without first seeing why I asked it. If you want to debate at least do it properly.
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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:55 pm

heavenly father wrote:
Beekeeper wrote:cyclops      

Smelly_bandit has obviously 'lost the plot' completely...

Heavenly_father simply lost his way ages ago..

And now Fred M. has also lost his camel too !



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You obviously understood what Beekeeper was talking about. Damned if I did.
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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:58 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:Weird - everybody who has attacked the bible and heavenly father on this thread would fight just as hard on this forum in defence of a muslim who believed in mohammed and his kid brother allah.

Which shows how little you read. Most of us think ALL religion is stupid and you have to be sandwiches short of a picnic to believe in a man in the sky.

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I have clearly said I am Anti-Monothiest
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Korben Dallas wrote:Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian




10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering.  And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."


3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers.  You consider that to be evidence that prayer works.  And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.



Ten Obvious Reasons Why
Islam is NOT a Religion of Peace



#1 18,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years.  (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).


#2 Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing his religion.  This included women.  Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.


#3 Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger."  In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.

Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives.  He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle.  Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.


#4 After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other.

Fatima, Muhammad's favorite daughter, survived the early years among the unbelievers at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only six months after her father died.  She even miscarried Muhammad's grandchild after having her ribs broken by the man who became the second caliph.

Fatima's husband Ali, who was the second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was a "perfect woman."  10,000 Muslims were killed in a single battle waged less than 25 years after Muhammad's death.

Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered.  All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions.  The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned).  The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth.  The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons.  The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.

The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad's family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time.  Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war...

And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam!


#5 Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam.  Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands.

A mere 25 years after Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia.


#6 Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves.  To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.

None of these other religions are at war with each other.


#7 Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by threatening to kill anyone who leaves.  This is according to the example set by Muhammad.


#8 Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human.  Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.

#9 The Qur'an never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.

#10 "Allahu Akbar!  Allahu Akbar!  Allahu Akbar!"
(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:30 pm

islam is certainly not the religion of peace.

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:49 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian




10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering.  And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."


3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers.  You consider that to be evidence that prayer works.  And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.



Ten Obvious Reasons Why
Islam is NOT a Religion of Peace
None are they all condemn some people to suffering and are filled with violence



#1 18,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years.  (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).
Selective argument on a time period not accounting, neglecting when other religions by those that followed have committed if not far more violence. This thus shows those within a religion are capable of committing violence, just as any other faith is. The only difference today is the west is not ruled anymore by religious dogma, as there are plenty of religious nut balls all over the world, take a trip to the states and see for yourself. The same principles would apply to your faith, where history has shown where religious dogma is in charge and has power the same happens


#2 Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing his religion.  This included women.  Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.
So does the bible and people have for centuries killed people for heresy, so the same principles apply to your own faith


#3 Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger."  In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.

Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives.  He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle.  Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.
So have many prophets of the Bible, even with sacrifice, including Jesus when he returns will bring and unleash destruction onto the earth to then bring in a new era, thus moot argument again


#4 After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other.
As has done Christianity, from its beginning, it was men after that decided what works were real and what were fake dividing the the faith into conflict, absurd argument which means yours is the same

Fatima, Muhammad's favorite daughter, survived the early years among the unbelievers at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only six months after her father died.  She even miscarried Muhammad's grandchild after having her ribs broken by the man who became the second caliph.

Fatima's husband Ali, who was the second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was a "perfect woman."  10,000 Muslims were killed in a single battle waged less than 25 years after Muhammad's death.
Christians have been persecuted by many fellow christians even to this day, another absurd argument

Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered.  All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions.  The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned).  The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth.  The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons.  The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.
The Church has had warrior popes, let alone wars over who should be pope, so by the same principles your argument would mean the same in Christianity

The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad's family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time.  Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war...
Guess you never read the bible with the conflicts of King David or even Saul, just some of the countless fighting between families, again same principles apply in your faith

And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam!


#5 Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam.  Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands.
Moses, Joshua and countless others were called upon by their God to wage war and eradicate everyone, so much so this has been used countless times in history as justification to kill people, the sacking of Jerusalem being a prime example, another moot point even more so that when Jesus is meant to return he will wipe out a third of the earth

A mere 25 years after Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia.


#6 Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves.  To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.
As has done Christians, getting boring now

None of these other religions are at war with each other.
Really, none have ever been at war with each other, balderdash


#7 Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by threatening to kill anyone who leaves.  This is according to the example set by Muhammad.
Guess you have never heard of the following:
Julian the Apostate, the Roman emperor, given a Christian education by those who assassinated his family, rejected his upbringing and declared his belief in Neoplatonism once it was safe to do so.
Sir Thomas Wentworth, 1st Earl of Strafford was declared 'The Great Apostate' by Parliament in 1628 for changing his political support from Parliament to Charles I, thus shifting his religious support from Protestantism to Arminianism.
Abraham ben Abraham, (Count Valentine (Valentin, Walentyn) Potocki), a Polish nobleman of the Potocki family who is claimed to have converted to Judaism and was burned at the stake in 1749 because he had renounced Catholicism and had become an observant Jew.
Maria Monk, sometimes considered an apostate of the Catholic Church, though there is little evidence that she ever was a Catholic.
Lord George Gordon, initially a zealous Protestant and instigator of the Gordon riots of 1780, he finally renounced Christianity and converted to Judaism, for which he was ostracized.
Brian Moore, spoke strongly about the effect of the Catholic Church on life in Ireland.
Martin Luther, the founder of Lutheranism, was considered both an apostate and heretic by the strict definition of apostasy according to the Catholic Church. Most Protestants would naturally disagree, calling him a liberator and revolutionary.



#8 Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human.  Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.
And the bible teaches the first racism claiming one people above all others, the Jews

#9 The Qur'an never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.
Have you read the Bible and what happens to non Christians? Why is Jesus to return to wipe many out?

#10 "Allahu Akbar!  Allahu Akbar!  Allahu Akbar!"
(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)


The most contradiction argument yet presented by a Christians

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:54 pm

usually phildige its ok for islam to kill anyone who disagrees because someone else did that once..

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:56 pm

heavenly father wrote:usually phildige its ok for islam to kill anyone who disagrees because someone else did that once..

Really, never stated it was okay, what I am showing is just like within your faith people are selective over passages, claiming people can commit violence, what happens is within all they use passages for justification of their actions. Smelly misses many other parts of the Quran because they do not compute with his poor arguments, but the reality is the deities in these religions are violent

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:59 pm

PhilDidge wrote:
heavenly father wrote:usually phildige its ok for islam to kill anyone who disagrees because someone else did that once..

Really, never stated it was okay, what I am showing is just like within your faith people are selective over passages, claiming people can commit violence, what happens is within all they use passages for justification of their actions. Smelly misses many other parts of the Quran because they do not compute with his poor arguments, but the reality is the deities in these religions are violent  

yeah i've heard it before, every time you defend islam it's on the grounds someone else is just as bad, still odd for an atheist to always defend islam.

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:13 pm

What an idiotic response, where I show wrongs in both, try again, as I only correct those full of stupidity

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:14 pm

PhilDidge wrote:What an idiotic response, where I show wrongs in both, try again, as I only defend correct those full of stupidity

so you would agree that the koran does ask muslims to kill those who do not believe the same as them??

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:18 pm

heavenly father wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:What an idiotic response, where I show wrongs in both, try again, as I only defend correct those full of stupidity

so you would agree that the koran does ask muslims to kill those who do not believe the same as them??

Does the Quran ask this?

I know the Bible does, the Quran is no pacifist faith, it does call upon action and to kill in defense, so it certainly has violence to it, but no where near on a par with the bible, that is genocide on a massive scale

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:21 pm

PhilDidge wrote:
heavenly father wrote:

so you would agree that the koran does ask muslims to kill those who do not believe the same as them??

Does the Quran ask this?

I know the Bible does, the Quran is no pacifist faith, it does call upon action and to kill in defense, so it certainly has violence to it, but no where near on a par with the bible, that is genocide on a massive scale  

thank you for so perfectly demonstrating my point..... :/pwn://: 

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:22 pm

heavenly father wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:

Does the Quran ask this?

I know the Bible does, the Quran is no pacifist faith, it does call upon action and to kill in defense, so it certainly has violence to it, but no where near on a par with the bible, that is genocide on a massive scale  

thank you for so perfectly demonstrating my point..... :/pwn://: 


Demonstrating?

You made no point as per usual, mainly as you are inept with knowledge of your own faith and even more so with Islam, it may help if you study them

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