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Post by HoratioTarr on Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:56 pm

Jon Venables, one of the infamous killers of toddler James Bugler, is back in jail after being caught with child porn.
The 35-year-old was arrested last week after officials making a routine visit to his home discovered the 'sickening' images on his computer and alerted police.
It is the second time that the monster has been put behind bars for child porn offences, having been caught with a large hoard of images in 2010. 
The killer's identity is protected by a lifelong order and has been changed four times since his release in 2001, costing taxpayers £250,000 each time.


Venables and Thompson were found guilty of killing Bulger in November 1993 and were sentenced to custody until they reached 18.
They were freed in 2001 after serving eight years behind bars, but by 2010 Venables was back in prison for violating the terms of his release by possessing child porn.
It was revealed that he had downloaded and distributed more than 100 images of child abuse, some involving victims as young as two.
In one instance he messaged another paedophile claiming to be a married mother who abused her eight-year-old daughter, and offered to sell access to the child. 


He was freed from prison for the second time in 2013 after a recommendation from the Parole Board.
After Venables’s conviction for child porn, a review discovered he had regularly breached a condition of his original release that he must not go back to Merseyside.
The probe said he would ‘certainly’ have been returned to jail sooner if officials had known his movements – which could have been monitored by a satellite tag. 
Under strict rules put in place following his release from prison, the murderer has lifelong anonymity, meaning anyone he speaks to online will not know about his past.




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Post by Cass on Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:42 am

Good.

He is a deeply disturbed individual who should be locked up for the rest of his life now. He obviously has no control.

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Post by gelico on Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:01 am

Cass wrote:Good.

He is a deeply disturbed individual who should be locked up for the rest of his life now. He obviously has no control.


i agree cass

but i dont understand this,,,,


''by 2010 Venables was back in prison for violating the terms of his release by possessing child porn.
It was revealed that he had downloaded and distributed more than 100 images of child abuse, some involving victims as young as two.
In one instance he messaged another paedophile claiming to be a married mother who abused her eight-year-old daughter, and offered to sell access to the child.


He was freed from prison for the second time in 2013 after a recommendation from the Parole Board.''



a disgusting crime like that and he was freed after only 3 years???? that doesn't make sense at all.

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Post by magica on Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:33 am

Paedos get lesser sentences than theft sometimes.

This man should never be released he is obviously a threat to children. He should never been released anyway for killing poor little Jamie Bulger.
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Post by Cass on Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:45 am

gelico wrote:
Cass wrote:Good.

He is a deeply disturbed individual who should be locked up for the rest of his life now. He obviously has no control.


i agree cass

but i dont understand this,,,,


''by 2010 Venables was back in prison for violating the terms of his release by possessing child porn.
It was revealed that he had downloaded and distributed more than 100 images of child abuse, some involving victims as young as two.
In one instance he messaged another paedophile claiming to be a married mother who abused her eight-year-old daughter, and offered to sell access to the child.


He was freed from prison for the second time in 2013 after a recommendation from the Parole Board.''


a disgusting crime like that and he was freed after only 3 years????  that doesn't make sense at all.

I know. It’s crazy and disgusting. But sadly it depends on what the sentencing rules were and the guidelines. I’m sure judges have strong emotions about this but they have have to follow the law.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:48 am

One has to also ask if being incarcerated from a very young age has fucked him up too.
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Post by magica on Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:32 am

He was already messed up to do what he and that other scumbag did to Jamie Bulger.
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Post by Syl on Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:17 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:One has to also ask if being incarcerated from a very young age has fucked him up too.

That's a worry. It seems to have worked with Thompson, so far he has not been known to reoffend, but Venables seems to be a lost cause.

I think it was right that they had a second chance after seeming to be have been rehabilitated, but as grown men they don't deserve any more chances....this man has already had 4 new identities at the cost pf £250,000 a time.
Its time to admit defeat and lock him up for life....obviously he cant control his compulsions.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:39 pm

Syl wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:One has to also ask if being incarcerated from a very young age has fucked him up too.

That's a worry. It seems to have worked with Thompson, so far he has not been known to reoffend, but Venables seems to be a lost cause.

I think it was right that they had a second chance after seeming to be have been rehabilitated, but as grown men they don't deserve any more chances....this man has already had 4 new identities at the cost pf £250,000 a time.
Its time to admit defeat and lock him up for life....obviously he cant control his compulsions.


True. As an adult he has choices.
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Post by magica on Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:00 pm

As child he had choices. He chose the wrong one and a little boy died horribly because of it.
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Post by Cass on Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:42 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:One has to also ask if being incarcerated from a very young age has fucked him up too.

I have to admit that this did cross my mind. Also I believe one of them had a pretty rotten upbringing. Not sure if it was him or the other one and it’s no excuse at all, but for a lot of paedophiles there is that kind of background.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:13 pm

Cass wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:One has to also ask if being incarcerated from a very young age has fucked him up too.

I have to admit that this did cross my mind. Also I believe one of them had a pretty rotten upbringing. Not sure if it was him or the other one and it’s no excuse at all, but for a lot of paedophiles there is that kind of background.


Thompson was a member of what can only be described as a terribly dysfunctional family. The fifth of seven children, he proved as difficult to his mother as the rest of her progeny. Ann Thompson had been deserted by her husband five years before the killing of Jamie Bulger, and in the week after he left the family home burned down in an accidental fire. Left on her own, Thompson sought consolation in drink and was often to be found in the bar in Higson's Top House rather than looking after the children in her chaotic home.
There it was bedlam. The author Blake Morrison obtained notes from an NSPCC case conference on the Thompson family. "The Thompson report is a series of violent incidents," he reported, "none of them in itself enough to justify the kids being taken into care but the sum of them appalling. The boys, it's said, grew up 'afraid of each other'. They bit, hammered, battered, tortured each other."
The report is full of violent instances, with details of such incidents as Ann taking her third son Philip to the police station after he had threatened his older brother Ian with a knife. Ian, aged 15, subsequently asked to be taken into care and when he was returned home he tried to kill himself by overdosing on painkillers. The notes record that Ann and Philip had also previously taken overdoses.
The Venables household was also fraught but contrastingly so. While Susan and Neil Venables lived in separate houses a mile apart, they tried to bring up their children in a united way - Jon spent Sunday to Thursday with his mum and the rest of the week with his dad. But things were difficult. Jon's brother and sister both had learning difficulties and were being taught in separate special schools, while Jon himself was hyperactive and always playing up. It was Jon Venables, not Robert Thompson, who had a record of violence, having attempted to throttle another boy at school.
In January 1987, the police were called to Susan Venables' home because the children (then seven, five and three) had been left alone for three hours. Case notes observe that her "serious depressive problem" made Venables suicidal.
"I don't think we went wrong at all," Venables maintained rather desperately in a newspaper interview she later gave. "He has had the love and attention that any boy would. He has had more love and attention than a lot of children I know. He has been educated. He has never really been a truant. He has had his holidays like everyone else. He has had Christmas presents. He is not a little urchin boy. He is far from it. He has had security with loving parents and a loving brother and sister."
Susan Venables was the harsher of the two parents and it was of her that Jon was afraid. Merseyside police clearly didn't like her and briefed the press that her manner in the interview room was inhibiting the confession of her newly-arrested son. The writer Gitta Sereny later reported that police were aghast at her for "constantly repairing her make-up" during this dreadful time.
Paradoxically, this concern with her appearance later endeared her to reporters in court. She attended the trial at Preston crown court every day, brushed up and manicured, wearing a smart suit, high shoes and clutching her handbag with its gold chain.
By contrast, Ann Thompson was demonised as a fat, drunk, uncaring mother. Once again, her absent husband was curiously left alone by the press. It was difficult not to note Ann's sparse attendance in Preston crown court, as her son barely comprehended what was going on around him. To the majority of the press, Robert Thompson's mother was not there for him; on the rare occasions that she was, she was a "mess". In the absence of hard information, appearances are sufficient cause for condemnation.
While it was their sons up there in the specially-raised dock, the parents of Thompson and Venables could have been left in no doubt that they too were on trial - that the blame for this terrible murder was placed at the door of their shambolic households.
But can such guilt be so neatly apportioned? There are many families where the parents are struggling to cope, where the children have behavioural problems. Parents are invariably ordinary people with problems of their own. They should instill values and principles in a child but they cannot be there all the time - as Denise Bulger (now Fergus) learned at a terrible cost.
The Venables and Thompson families were at very different places on the spectrum of "dysfunctional" families: if the chain of causality between parental failings and juvenile homicide were so straightforwardly simple how many families should be regarded as pathological - potential producers of more child childkillers?
The parents themselves are not murderers, but whatever blame attaches to them has been abundantly punished. Thompson and Venables moved away from Liverpool after their sons' convictions eight years ago. They took on new identities, tried to create new lives. Yet these are haunted by the fear of being found and blamed all over again. For they themselves will always feel guilty.
As David James Smith, who interviewed Thompson, observed: "Ann lives in terror of being discovered by neighbours or anyone who might recognise her when she is out shopping. It is as if she thinks of herself walking around with a sign above her head: Mother of Bulger Murderer."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/nov/01/bulger.familyandrelationships
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Post by Cass on Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:20 pm

Very interesting HT. It’s been so long ago that I had forgotten who was who. A big messy tragedy all around.

Thanks for sharing.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:24 pm

Of course he's disturbed. If he wasn't disturbed back then, he will be now. He's an adult who knows that he murdered a small child in a horrible way, and he has to live with that, and also live with being hated and at risk of being harmed. He's had to virtually try to forget his first ten years of life and pretend to be someone else.

I wonder if he's punishing himself somehow. Perhaps he's trying to relive what he did through looking at abuse of children via the internet. Perhaps he's trying to convince himself that others do bad things to children too in order to make himself believe that he's not alone.

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Post by Cass on Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:41 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Of course he's disturbed. If he wasn't disturbed back then, he will be now. He's an adult who knows that he murdered a small child in a horrible way, and he has to live with that, and also live with being hated and at risk of being harmed. He's had to virtually try to forget his first ten years of life and pretend to be someone else.

I wonder if he's punishing himself somehow. Perhaps he's trying to relive what he did through looking at abuse of children via the internet. Perhaps he's trying to convince himself that others do bad things to children too in order to make himself believe that he's not alone.  

I was thinking something similar. Very good points.

Interesting contrast to the case of Mary Bell.

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Post by Syl on Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:48 pm

Had their upbringing been more settled I wonder if they would have grown up to be ordinary people.

I know many kids have horrendous childhoods and never hurt a fly, but other factors have to be included when kids act so horrendously.
Their own personalities, the area they live in, who they pal up with and have things in common with.....if Venables and Thompson had never met each other, never been influenced by each other maybe they would never have hurt a child.

I think Rags post is interesting too.

They were disturbed when they murdered Jamie, how much more disturbed were they when they were freed.

I always found it odd that they were released at around the same time....because obviously Thompson had been rehabilitated far earlier than Venables.....who it seems will never be fit to live in society.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:51 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:One has to also ask if being incarcerated from a very young age has fucked him up too.

Or perhaps not being incarcerated for very long - not in a real prison - so perhaps he feels he wasn't really punished for what he did. I think he actually feels a lot of guilt and that's why he's so dysfunctional now.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:15 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:One has to also ask if being incarcerated from a very young age has fucked him up too.

Or perhaps not being incarcerated for very long - not in a real prison - so perhaps he feels he wasn't really punished for what he did. I think he actually feels a lot of guilt and that's why he's so dysfunctional now.


Probably self hate too.  I think that when people hate themselves, they just go on a complete self destruct journey.   But...he has to be adult enough to make the right choices.   And if he's so sick in the head that he can't....he needs locking up for the rest of his life.
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Post by Syl on Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:21 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Or perhaps not being incarcerated for very long - not in a real prison - so perhaps he feels he wasn't really punished for what he did. I think he actually feels a lot of guilt and that's why he's so dysfunctional now.


Probably self hate too.  I think that when people hate themselves, they just go on a complete self destruct journey.   But...he has to be adult enough to make the right choices.   And if he's so sick in the head that he can't....he needs locking up for the rest of his life.

I agree with that, he has had enough chances and he is obviously a danger to children.
Had he been adult when he had committed the original crime against Jamie Bulger he would never have been released.
He was a child and deserved a second chance...he has now had four chances...enough is enough.

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Post by magica on Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:49 pm

Syl wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:


Probably self hate too.  I think that when people hate themselves, they just go on a complete self destruct journey.   But...he has to be adult enough to make the right choices.   And if he's so sick in the head that he can't....he needs locking up for the rest of his life.

I agree with that, he has had enough chances and he is obviously a danger to children.
Had he been adult when he had committed the original crime against Jamie Bulger he would never have been released.
He was a child and deserved a second chance...he has now had four chances...enough is enough.


I agree with your last sentence Syl, he's had his chances, no more. Keep him shut up for good.
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Post by eddie on Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:16 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:One has to also ask if being incarcerated from a very young age has fucked him up too.

Or perhaps not being incarcerated for very long - not in a real prison - so perhaps he feels he wasn't really punished for what he did. I think he actually feels a lot of guilt and that's why he's so dysfunctional now.

As true as that may be, he could have turned it around and worked in a way to help children or sex-offenders or even dysfunctional families....but he didn't.
He would've received a shit ton of counselling as a child offender so he did have the chance to turn it right.around. He chose not to.
Perhaps that's the difference between good and evil.

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Post by Syl on Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:38 pm

I think that old saying...'Give me the child till he is seven and I will show you the man'....makes a lot of sense.

Maybe by the time he committed that crime it was simply too late for him.

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eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Or perhaps not being incarcerated for very long - not in a real prison - so perhaps he feels he wasn't really punished for what he did. I think he actually feels a lot of guilt and that's why he's so dysfunctional now.

As true as that may be, he could have turned it around and worked in a way to help children or sex-offenders or even dysfunctional families....but he didn't.  
He would've received a shit ton of counselling as a child offender so he did have the chance to turn it right.around. He chose not to.
Perhaps that's the difference between good and evil.

Counselling for what? To help him get over killing Jamie Bulger? He wouldn't have been allowed to work with children anyway. I think the burden of what he did, and how he's had to lie about his life, is too much for him.

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Post by eddie on Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:47 pm

I know he wouldn't be directly allowed to work with children but with the right procedures in place, he could've helped behind the scenes as it were.
In any case, he would definitely have had counselling and psychiatric help for what he did, so it was possible he could have been rehabilitated. He chose not to.

But then again rags, I'm not dismissing your theory at all. It's entirely possible. We will probably never know for sure.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:53 pm

eddie wrote:I know he wouldn't be directly allowed to work with children but with the right procedures in place, he could've helped behind the scenes as it were.
In any case, he would definitely have had counselling and psychiatric help for what he did, so it was possible he could have been rehabilitated. He chose not to.

But then again rags, I'm not dismissing your theory at all. It's entirely possible. We will probably never know for sure.  

I'm never quite sure what "rehabilitated" means tbh. Does it mean that the offender is unlikely to commit the same crime again? Does it mean that the offender has got over what he/she did?

You can't rehabilitate someone in the sense that they come to terms with what they did, and I don't think he has. Some might say that he has no remorse and simply doesn't care what he does, but I think the signs are there that he cares a lot and simply can't deal with it.

I also think that Denise Fergus should not be in the press talking about it.

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Post by eddie on Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:29 pm

I think she has freedom of speech and has every right to talk about it.

I would genuinely like to hear why you're convinced that Venables can't live with what he's done, though.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:44 pm

eddie wrote:I think she has freedom of speech and has every right to talk about it.

I would genuinely like to hear why you're convinced that Venables can't live with what he's done, though.

She seems to think that she has a say in what happens to him, and that she should be consulted.

You want to know why I think he can't live with what he did?

Firstly, he has a compulsion to tell people who he is. That suggests that he cannot move on and become another person.

Downloading child porn - ie, child abuse? I suggest that he's doing it because he's re-living what he did, or he's trying to convince himself that others abuse children too, so he feels less alone. I did make that point earlier. He doesn't seem to hide his activities either - in fact, I think he wanted to be caught the first time at least.

He's not really allowed to move on. Denise Fergus is regularly in the news talking about the murder of Jamie. He can't be in any doubt how much he's hated, and how much of a pariah he is. He can never really be a free person, and he knows that.

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:51 pm

perhaps the kindest thing would be to put him down......

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: Bulger killer Jon Venables, 35, is thrown back in jail for a SECOND time after being caught with child porn

Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:03 pm

Lord Foul wrote:perhaps the kindest thing would be to put him down......

A lot of people would like to do so, which is why he has to be anonymous. The judge who named them both is responsible for that.

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: Bulger killer Jon Venables, 35, is thrown back in jail for a SECOND time after being caught with child porn

Post by HoratioTarr on Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:45 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:perhaps the kindest thing would be to put him down......

A lot of people would like to do so, which is why he has to be anonymous. The judge who named them both is responsible for that.

Could be that their identities must be kept secret to save those who might do them harm from going to prison themselves.
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Re: BREAKING NEWS: Bulger killer Jon Venables, 35, is thrown back in jail for a SECOND time after being caught with child porn

Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:30 am

HoratioTarr wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

A lot of people would like to do so, which is why he has to be anonymous. The judge who named them both is responsible for that.

Could be that their identities must be kept secret to save those who might do them harm from going to prison themselves.

Quite possibly, although if a random person harms someone who didn't actually harm them, that's entirely their own fault. Again, the judge who named them set the whole thing in motion.

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