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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:08 am

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The Trump administration is now allowing the remains of elephants legally hunted in Zimbabwe and Zambia to be imported to the United States as trophies, with officials signaling they will expand efforts to promote trophy hunting as a form of conservation.

African elephants are listed as threatened under the Endangered Species Act, but the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has determined that large sums paid for permits to hunt the animals could actually help them “by putting much-needed revenue back into conservation,” according to an agency statement late Wednesday.

Under the Obama administration, elephant-hunting trophies were allowed in South Africa and Namibia but not in Zimbabwe because Fish and Wildlife decided in 2015 that the nation had failed to prove that its management of elephants enhanced the population. At the time, Zimbabwe could not confirm its elephant population in a way that was acceptable to U.S. officials and did not demonstrate an ability to implement laws to protect it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/animalia/wp/2017/11/15/trophies-from-elephant-hunts-in-zimbabwe-were-banned-in-the-u-s-trump-just-reversed-that/?utm_term=.3d8d866efa75

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Re: Trump reverses ban on hunting endangered elephants

Post by Didge on Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:55 am

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Not at all, because you have only now said because i exposed you as a racist retard

Thanks though for admitting you were being racist and the mods are afraid to act with you

Not that I want you moderated, its more about the PC of the mods themselves.

Its like they seem to think they will lose if they do moderate you.

Idiots

There isn't anything TO moderate.

If you were a mod, what would you do??

What is it you think the mods should be doing to me, and for what reasons??


I think they should start being honest

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Re: Trump reverses ban on hunting endangered elephants

Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:49 am

Apparently we're not talking about the reversal anymore, but Trump has reversed the reversal, at least for the time being. Because that's how this country works now.

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Re: Trump reverses ban on hunting endangered elephants

Post by eddie on Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:32 am

Didge wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:


Not at all, because you have only now said because i exposed you as a racist retard

Thanks though for admitting you were being racist and the mods are afraid to act with you

Not that I want you moderated, its more about the PC of the mods themselves.

Its like they seem to think they will lose if they do moderate you.

Idiots

There isn't anything TO moderate.

If you were a mod, what would you do??

What is it you think the mods should be doing to me, and for what reasons??


I think they should start being honest


Anyone want to tell me what the mod team failed to moderate?
Because none of us got an abuse report.

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Re: Trump reverses ban on hunting endangered elephants

Post by Didge on Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:50 am

eddie wrote:
Didge wrote:


I think they should start being honest


Anyone want to tell me what the mod team failed to moderate?
Because none of us got an abuse report.  

Hey ho. New moon in the sky tonight, lots of intense feelings about. cyclops


I have no need to report people and do not want to, what I do though is expose hypocrisy

As to a new moon

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Re: Trump reverses ban on hunting endangered elephants

Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:06 am

Didge wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

There isn't anything TO moderate.

If you were a mod, what would you do??

What is it you think the mods should be doing to me, and for what reasons??


I think they should start being honest

What kind of answer is that??

I asked YOU what YOU would do as a mod

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Re: Trump reverses ban on hunting endangered elephants

Post by Didge on Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:08 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:


I think they should start being honest

What kind of answer is that??

I asked YOU what YOU would do as a mod


What would I do?

Allow free speech

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Re: Trump reverses ban on hunting endangered elephants

Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:13 am

Didge wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

What kind of answer is that??

I asked YOU what YOU would do as a mod


What would I do?

Allow free speech

So what are you fucking whinging for??

Am I to assume that you as a lod would be happy that calling mugabe a black dog is free Speech??


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Re: Trump reverses ban on hunting endangered elephants

Post by Didge on Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:16 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:


What would I do?

Allow free speech

So what are you fucking whinging for??

Am I to assume that you as a lod would be happy that calling mugabe a black dog is free Speech??



You fail to see the point dummy

This is not even about you, but as seen clearly your crave my attention

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Re: Trump reverses ban on hunting endangered elephants

Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:22 am

Didge wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

So what are you fucking whinging for??

Am I to assume that you as a lod would be happy that calling mugabe a black dog is free Speech??



You fail to see the point dummy

This is not even about you, but as seen clearly your crave my attention

Not about me??

So some other smelly-bandit then Rolling Eyes

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Re: Trump reverses ban on hunting endangered elephants

Post by Didge on Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:22 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:


You fail to see the point dummy

This is not even about you, but as seen clearly your crave my attention

Not about me??

So some other smelly-bandit then Rolling Eyes


Still craving my attention..

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Post by Lord Foul on Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:26 am

Anotherone that doesnt "get it"

didge...where have I infringed your "freedom of speech". afterall I allow you endless inane ramblings with little if any interference beyond the odd challenge (which is debate isnt it scratch )

What I will NOT allow in excess is unwarranted personal attacks, which seek to disrupt things rather than facilitate debate and which are in fact an admission of failure by the abuser... you complain about receiving abuse..and doubless you do...but its almost invariably retaliatory.
You are a long way away from being the most unpleasant poster we've had on here but you are certainly extremely abrasive at times........

SOME back and forth school playground antics is to be expected....I only stick my beak in if I consider someone is starting to get too excited or is agressive beyond a certain limit, OR i percieve the person is deliberately provoking an OTT response
TBH I'd sooner jump in a bit early and nip a potential situation in the bud than allow it to blossom into the fuckwittery we have seen before on here....

if some dont like that ...well tough.....
lets face it what do you want me to do...ban smelly??
well if not then what else?

it seems to me I (as in me) dont need to do owt about smelly's racism...there are plenty of "volunteers" here only too willing to jump on him for anything he says, even making mountains out of molehills to do so....

freedom of speech does include unpopular opinion, It does not permit personal abuse, even though we as mods DO allow a certain level of childish behaviour....

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Re: Trump reverses ban on hunting endangered elephants

Post by Didge on Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:32 am

Lord Foul wrote:Anotherone that doesnt "get it"

didge...where have I infringed your "freedom of speech". afterall I allow you endless inane ramblings with little if any interference beyond the odd challenge (which is debate isnt it scratch )

What I will NOT allow in excess is unwarranted personal attacks, which seek to disrupt things rather than facilitate debate and which are in fact an admission of failure by the abuser... you complain about receiving abuse..and doubless you do...but its almost invariably retaliatory.
You are a long way away from being the most unpleasant poster we've had on here but you are certainly extremely abrasive at times........

SOME back and forth school playground antics is to be expected....I only stick my beak in if I consider someone is starting to get too excited or is agressive beyond a certain limit, OR i percieve the person is deliberately provoking an OTT response
TBH I'd sooner jump in a bit early and nip a potential situation in the bud than allow it to blossom into the fuckwittery we have seen before on here....

if some dont like that ...well tough.....
lets face it what do you want me to do...ban smelly??
well if not then what else?

it seems to me I (as in me) dont need to do owt about smelly's racism...there are plenty of "volunteers" here only too willing to jump on him for anything he says, even making mountains out of molehills to do so....

freedom of speech does include unpopular opinion, It does not permit personal abuse, even though we as mods DO allow a certain level of childish behaviour....


So what

Give yourself a pat on the head

I do not want anyone banned, showing you fail to grasp the point

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Re: Trump reverses ban on hunting endangered elephants

Post by Lord Foul on Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:34 am

Didge wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:Anotherone that doesnt "get it"

didge...where have I infringed your "freedom of speech". afterall I allow you endless inane ramblings with little if any interference beyond the odd challenge (which is debate isnt it scratch )

What I will NOT allow in excess is unwarranted personal attacks, which seek to disrupt things rather than facilitate debate and which are in fact an admission of failure by the abuser... you complain about receiving abuse..and doubless you do...but its almost invariably retaliatory.
You are a long way away from being the most unpleasant poster we've had on here but you are certainly extremely abrasive at times........

SOME back and forth school playground antics is to be expected....I only stick my beak in if I consider someone is starting to get too excited or is agressive beyond a certain limit, OR i percieve the person is deliberately provoking an OTT response
TBH I'd sooner jump in a bit early and nip a potential situation in the bud than allow it to blossom into the fuckwittery we have seen before on here....

if some dont like that ...well tough.....
lets face it what do you want me to do...ban smelly??
well if not then what else?


it seems to me I (as in me) dont need to do owt about smelly's racism...there are plenty of "volunteers" here only too willing to jump on him for anything he says, even making mountains out of molehills to do so....

freedom of speech does include unpopular opinion, It does not permit personal abuse, even though we as mods DO allow a certain level of childish behaviour....


So what

Give yourself a pat on the head

I do not want anyone banned, showing you fail to grasp the point


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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:34 am

Didge wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:Anotherone that doesnt "get it"

didge...where have I infringed your "freedom of speech". afterall I allow you endless inane ramblings with little if any interference beyond the odd challenge (which is debate isnt it scratch )

What I will NOT allow in excess is unwarranted personal attacks, which seek to disrupt things rather than facilitate debate and which are in fact an admission of failure by the abuser... you complain about receiving abuse..and doubless you do...but its almost invariably retaliatory.
You are a long way away from being the most unpleasant poster we've had on here but you are certainly extremely abrasive at times........

SOME back and forth school playground antics is to be expected....I only stick my beak in if I consider someone is starting to get too excited or is agressive beyond a certain limit, OR i percieve the person is deliberately provoking an OTT response
TBH I'd sooner jump in a bit early and nip a potential situation in the bud than allow it to blossom into the fuckwittery we have seen before on here....

if some dont like that ...well tough.....
lets face it what do you want me to do...ban smelly??
well if not then what else?

it seems to me I (as in me) dont need to do owt about smelly's racism...there are plenty of "volunteers" here only too willing to jump on him for anything he says, even making mountains out of molehills to do so....

freedom of speech does include unpopular opinion, It does not permit personal abuse, even though we as mods DO allow a certain level of childish behaviour....


So what

Give yourself a pat on the head

I do not want anyone banned, showing you fail to grasp the point

What exactly is the point??

You seem to be the only person privy to the point you're trying to make.
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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:39 am

Still not grasping it are you....

Never mind

Let me make this clear

Do I ever report any abuse?

No

As I do not want anyone banned

You are after all human, like the rest of us and open to making decisions that can be both good and bad

It was your piss poor defense of something that was racist, that made me laugh.

Now that is an example that shows something is down to the views of two.

Does it make you right?

Not to me

I know smelly is a rancid racist, he had even admitted this on a debate we were having yesterday.

Its how you decide to jump on something so innocuous, where I replied to the wrong poster, of which i apologised and yet failed to see blatant racism. Which I think we have simple come to expect from smelly and why you never said anything. Only when I highlighted this, did you proceed to come out with a poor defense.

That is my take on it

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:40 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:


So what

Give yourself a pat on the head

I do not want anyone banned, showing you fail to grasp the point

What exactly is the point??

You seem to be the only person privy to the point you're trying to make.
.


Still craving my attention I see

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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:05 pm

You saying I'm racist is just your opinion didge.

Its not a fact.

You consider me racist

I don't consider myself racist

Why does your opinion hold more weight than mine??

Is it because you think simply calling me a racist is a good way to avoid dealing with me??

You think racist is a magic word that you can just wave around whenever you're outsmarted??

You seem to live in a fantasy world where you think your word is law and then are outraged and shocked that in the real world people don't agree with you.

Its like you simply can't comprehend the idea that people have different opinions to you and then throw a Hissyfit when your declarations and accusations of racism are ignored.




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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:06 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:You saying I'm racist is just your opinion didge.

Its not a fact.

You consider me racist

I don't consider myself racist

Why does your opinion hold more weight than mine??

Is it because you think simply calling me a racist is a good way to avoid dealing with me??

You think racist is a magic word that you can just wave around whenever you're outsmarted??

You seem to live in a fantasy world where you think your word is law and then are outraged and shocked that in the real world people don't agree with you.

Its like you simply can't comprehend the idea that people have different opinions to you and then throw a Hissyfit when your declarations and accusations of racism are ignored.





Still craving my attention I see

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:09 pm

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bravo

You think that is a plus?

I think protecting all species is a plus. I like living in an area with an abundance of wildlife. But I'm a weirdo. Smile  

Not all, perhaps, Maddog. Two species eligible for trapping to extinction in the UK that spring immediately to my mind are coypu and wild mink, both, admittedly, originally species imported by the fur trade.

I'm not sure how the giant rodent coypu (South American, I believe) began to establish itself mainly in East Anglia, but they were doing massive damage to the river and dike banks in that region, some of which is below sea level, so the the risk of catastrophic flooding was obvious.

Trapping and shooting started in the sixties and coypu are now, so far as I know, extinct. I saw several of them when I had a boat on the Great Ouse and I can testify to their size - bloody big!

Wild mink, which were doing a tremendous amount of damage to indigenous wildlife, got into the wild decades ago when they escaped from now banned fur farms, and some were illegally released from farms by animal rights activists.
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Post by HoratioTarr on Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:30 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I think protecting all species is a plus. I like living in an area with an abundance of wildlife. But I'm a weirdo. Smile  

Not all, perhaps, Maddog.  Two species eligible for trapping to extinction in the UK that spring immediately to my mind are coypu and wild mink, both, admittedly, originally species imported by the fur trade.

I'm not sure how the giant rodent coypu (South American, I believe) began to establish itself mainly in East Anglia, but they were doing massive damage to the river and dike banks in that region, some of which is below sea level, so the the risk of catastrophic flooding was obvious.

Trapping and shooting started in the sixties and coypu are now, so far as I know, extinct. I saw several of them when I had a boat on the Great Ouse and I can testify to their size - bloody big!

Wild mink, which were doing a tremendous amount of damage to indigenous wildlife, got into the wild decades ago when they escaped from now banned fur farms, and some were illegally released from farms by animal rights activists.

Vicious killers are mink.  Do you know they pack in times of famine?
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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:06 pm

Didge wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:You saying I'm racist is just your opinion didge.

Its not a fact.

You consider me racist

I don't consider myself racist

Why does your opinion hold more weight than mine??

Is it because you think simply calling me a racist is a good way to avoid dealing with me??

You think racist is a magic word that you can just wave around whenever you're outsmarted??

You seem to live in a fantasy world where you think your word is law and then are outraged and shocked that in the real world people don't agree with you.

Its like you simply can't comprehend the idea that people have different opinions to you and then throw a Hissyfit when your declarations and accusations of racism are ignored.





Still craving my attention I see

Poor baby lol!


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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:25 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
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Still craving my attention I see

Poor baby lol!


Still craving me, wow

You seriously cannot get enough of me, can you darling?

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:56 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Not all, perhaps, Maddog.  Two species eligible for trapping to extinction in the UK that spring immediately to my mind are coypu and wild mink, both, admittedly, originally species imported by the fur trade.

I'm not sure how the giant rodent coypu (South American, I believe) began to establish itself mainly in East Anglia, but they were doing massive damage to the river and dike banks in that region, some of which is below sea level, so the the risk of catastrophic flooding was obvious.

Trapping and shooting started in the sixties and coypu are now, so far as I know, extinct. I saw several of them when I had a boat on the Great Ouse and I can testify to their size - bloody big!

Wild mink, which were doing a tremendous amount of damage to indigenous wildlife, got into the wild decades ago when they escaped from now banned fur farms, and some were illegally released from farms by animal rights activists.

Vicious killers are mink.  Do you know they pack in times of famine?

Equally vicious on the surrounding aviary population, are wild hummingbirds.  They are indiscriminate killers of other birds, and of course, with their ability to fly in a stationary spot, they are far more maneuverable.

Some people (not me) say that white sharks should be wiped out, too.

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