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Post by HoratioTarr on Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:41 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5054267/Father-GUILTY-murdering-18-month-old-daughter.html

A gay fitness instructor accused of shaking his 18-month-old baby to death just a fortnight after he adopted her was today convicted of her murder.
Matthew Scully-Hicks, 31, shook Elsie Scully-Hicks before she was 'thrown against a hard floor' while he was looking after her at his home in Llandaff, Cardiff, on May 25 2016.  
Elsie died just two weeks after she was formally adopted by fitness instructor Scully-Hicks and his husband Craig, 36.
Scully-Hicks, who sobbed when he was convicted, denied murdering her but was found guilty by a jury after a four week trial.
Cardiff Crown Court heard Scully-Hick branded her 'a psycho', 'the exorcist' and 'Satan dressed up in a Babygro' in text messages and she had suffered a string of suspicious injuries before eventually killed her.
The jury of nine men and three women went out last Wednesday but returned a unanimous guilty verdict shortly after midday today.
Social services in Cardiff face an investigation over whether they missed chances to save Elsie, who suffered a catalogue of injuries - including bruises, a broken leg and a fall down a full flight of stairs in the eight months Scully-Hicks had care of her.

She died four days after being violently shaken and sustaining a fractured skull just two weeks after being formally adopted by the defendant and his husband.
On the day of Elsie's death, Scully-Hicks took her shopping for an outfit for her to wear at a party to celebrate her adoption with family and friends. 
He sent pictures of outfits at Marks & Spencer to his husband and purchased one for Elsie to wear.
But instead he shook her and then threw her to the ground, leaving his daughter fatally injured. 
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Post by SEXY MAMA on Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:43 pm

I was just reading this story. Poor baby Sad

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Post by HoratioTarr on Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:56 pm

This poor baby let down on all sides...from her birth mother/father, to the social workers, to political correctness, to the piece of shit who fancied playing mummy and daddy's.  It's a fucking disgrace all round.

The can of worms here is that this guy is gay.   I don't believe for one moment that's got any bearing on this...as there are plenty of gay parents who love and cherish adopted kids.   But no matter how much you think you're going to love and cherish a child that's not your flesh and blood, there should be more in place here for vetting the jerks who think having a baby is just another fashion commodity.   

What should be done is that those wishing to adopt should be sent to a place where they have to deal with screaming, demanding, babies for at least a month, where they have to wash the shitty nappies, feed them, play with them and learn what it's really like to have a baby.  

The minute anyone got a whiff of this fucker screaming and yelling at this child and calling her a cu.nt. was the minute she should have been taken away from them.
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Post by magica on Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:08 pm

I totally agree HT.  This poor baby treated like a rag doll by this man. What a terrible end to her short and sad life.

I hope the bastard gets his in prison.

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Post by eddie on Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:44 pm

How on earth did this baby go unnoticed after all the injuries she suffered? And what of the person who received the text messages this piece of shit sent - why didn't he/she alert somebody?

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Post by HoratioTarr on Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:31 pm

eddie wrote:How on earth did this baby go unnoticed after all the injuries she suffered? And what of the person who received the text messages this piece of shit sent - why didn't he/she alert somebody?

That would be this murderer's partner...   

God knows.   I suspect that Matthew Scully Hicks is precious by nature, prone to tantrums of his own along with a petulant spoilt nature and spiteful psyche.   What my brother, who is gay himself, calls a typical screaming queen.  No doubt he's been used to getting his own way too, doesn't cope well in a crisis, and his whole world revolves around himself.   You can just see it...the pair of them thinking that a child will seal their relationship and make it whole...that despicable trait of personal entitlement that infects the youth of today. 

At 31, Scully Hicks isn't a spring chicken himself, but clearly lacks maturity and I don't think for one moment his violent tendencies have been entirely hidden throughout his life.   He was probably the type to pull the wings off flies and torture kittens.
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Post by Cass on Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:13 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:This poor baby let down on all sides...from her birth mother/father, to the social workers, to political correctness, to the piece of shit who fancied playing mummy and daddy's.  It's a fucking disgrace all round.

The can of worms here is that this guy is gay.   I don't believe for one moment that's got any bearing on this...as there are plenty of gay parents who love and cherish adopted kids.   But no matter how much you think you're going to love and cherish a child that's not your flesh and blood, there should be more in place here for vetting the jerks who think having a baby is just another fashion commodity.   

What should be done is that those wishing to adopt should be sent to a place where they have to deal with screaming, demanding, babies for at least a month, where they have to wash the shitty nappies, feed them, play with them and learn what it's really like to have a baby.  

The minute anyone got a whiff of this fucker screaming and yelling at this child and calling her a cu.nt. was the minute she should have been taken away from them.

Spot.Fucking.On

I seem to remember the next door neighbors hearing stuff? Why the fuck didn’t they speak up? They have some blame in this as well as his partner. They chose to look the other way. Asshats.

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Post by Vintage on Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:02 pm

There is mention of another child but whether he/she is adopted or from a previous relationship no one seems to know

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Post by Syl on Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:26 pm

Utterly heart breaking, I hope he gets life meaning life.
Why did social worker, neighbours, friends, family and NHS staff not realise the child was at risk?
She had multiple old and new damage to her poor tiny body.



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Post by magica on Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:42 pm

She's a gorgeous baby girl. She deserved love, not pain.

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Post by Syl on Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:44 pm

When I saw that photo on the news I cried.
I imagine many people did.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:37 pm

Syl wrote:Utterly heart breaking, I hope he gets life meaning life.
Why did social worker, neighbours, friends, family and NHS staff not realise the child was at risk?
She had multiple old and new damage to her poor tiny body.



If only we still had the death penalty.


Fear of being labelled as 'homophobic' and 'bigots' etc, maybe...?


Or maybe concerns were raised with authorities, but maybe the authorities were more interested in there being a PC pro gay couple adoption story to tell, and too eager for their experiment to work, that they wouldn't act in the childs best interests when concerns were raised...?



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Post by magica on Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:41 pm

Yes Tommy that might've been a factor, but neglecting to see the bruises, breaks, pain goes way beyond that. They should be fired

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:25 pm

'...Social services in Cardiff face an investigation over whether they missed chances to save Elsie, who suffered a catalogue of injuries - including bruises, a broken leg and a fall down a full flight of stairs in the eight months Scully-Hicks had care of her...'


Looks like the injuries were known about... but in the PC world of equality, PC authorities believe that '2 gay dads' are so much greater and more important and good etc, and so much more deserving of special treatment and allowances for their behaviour, than the majority of other people...


And had the couple been smokers or UKIP supporters then the child would have been removed without any injuries at all...!!!



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Post by Jules on Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:39 pm

The baby was probably mistreated by her own biological parent(s) for her to end up being adopted, only to be mistreated all over again.

A VERY cruel man - and he's obviously good at pretending too. He must have put on a fake show of patience and kindness and competence to pass the vetting tests.

Poor baby!

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Post by eddie on Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:07 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:'...Social services in Cardiff face an investigation over whether they missed chances to save Elsie, who suffered a catalogue of injuries - including bruises, a broken leg and a fall down a full flight of stairs in the eight months Scully-Hicks had care of her...'


Looks like the injuries were known about... but in the PC world of equality, PC authorities believe that '2 gay dads' are so much greater and more important and good etc, and so much more deserving of special treatment and allowances for their behaviour, than the majority of other people...


And had the couple been smokers or UKIP supporters then the child would have been removed without any injuries at all...!!!

What has the guy's sexuality got to do with the tragic mistreatment and death of this child? He is a vile human being and he'd have been a vile human being no matter whom he stuck his penis in to. You do see that, don't you?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:27 pm



A good question to ask the authorities, Eddie...


But I think we all know the answer...!



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Post by Eilzel on Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:11 am

Horrid story. The man is a monster and let's hope he suffers immensely in jail for a long long time.

The suggestion social services looked away because the couple were gay is rubbish. This isn't the only time social services has failed to protect an adopted or fostered child. I don't think 'PC culture' is the problem here. There is clearly a general problem with how some ss workers do their job.

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Post by eddie on Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:12 am

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A good question to ask the authorities, Eddie...


But I think we all know the answer...!



Do we? I don't. I was asking you a question.

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Post by Cass on Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:17 am

Jules wrote:The baby was probably mistreated by her own biological parent(s) for her to end up being adopted,  only to be mistreated all over again.

A VERY cruel man - and he's obviously good at pretending too. He must have put on a fake show of patience and kindness and competence to pass the vetting tests.

Poor baby!

Of course she was. We can all pull up stories about heterosexual couple/parents abusing or murdering their children and nobody did a damn thing about it even though social services were aware. He’s just being obtuse.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:17 am

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:'...Social services in Cardiff face an investigation over whether they missed chances to save Elsie, who suffered a catalogue of injuries - including bruises, a broken leg and a fall down a full flight of stairs in the eight months Scully-Hicks had care of her...'


Looks like the injuries were known about... but in the PC world of equality, PC authorities believe that '2 gay dads' are so much greater and more important and good etc, and so much more deserving of special treatment and allowances for their behaviour, than the majority of other people...


And had the couple been smokers or UKIP supporters then the child would have been removed without any injuries at all...!!!

What has the guy's sexuality got to do with the tragic mistreatment and death of this child?  He is a vile human being and he'd have been a vile human being no matter whom he stuck his penis in to.  You do see that, don't you?


It doesn't.   But the fact remains that in our PC culture, things like this, along with the ghastly Rotherham scandal, are often overlooked or ignored for fear of appearing racist/homophobic/sexist.    Can you imagine the furore if some social worker had dared to suggest the child was being abused by a gay man?  

We have to step back from all the PC madness, and get things into perspective.   Pussyfooting round those who find umbrage and offence at the slightest hint of criticism, all the silly screeching about cultural appropriation, etc.   It's like they've got nothing more important to bleat about or focus on.   When something like this happens you realise that all those snowflake vapourings mean fuck all in the scheme of things.
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Post by Syl on Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:29 am

Remember baby P?, that has to be one of the worst child abuse cases in recent history. The couple who were responsible for his death were hetrosexual, social workers repeatedly failed to help him... and others since.
All parents, whether natural, foster or adoptive should be watched more closely if their babies are continuously being hurt, bruised and battered, no matter what sex they are.

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Post by Cass on Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:41 am

Syl wrote:Remember baby P?, that has to be one of the worst child abuse cases in recent history. The couple who were responsible for his death were hetrosexual, social workers repeatedly failed to help him... and others since.
All parents, whether natural, foster or adoptive should be watched more closely if their babies are continuously being hurt, bruised and battered, no matter what sex they are.

I can’t give anymore greens yet. Very well stated.

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Post by eddie on Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:43 am

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Syl wrote:Remember baby P?, that has to be one of the worst child abuse cases in recent history. The couple who were responsible for his death were hetrosexual, social workers repeatedly failed to help him... and others since.
All parents, whether natural, foster or adoptive should be watched more closely if their babies are continuously being hurt, bruised and battered, no matter what sex they are.

I can’t give anymore greens yet. Very well stated.

Here, have one of mine on your behalf. I'm feeling all benevolent today. Cool

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Post by Syl on Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:46 am

Thank you both.x
Appreciated.

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Post by Cass on Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:50 am

eddie wrote:
Cass wrote:

I can’t give anymore greens yet. Very well stated.

Here, have one of mine on your behalf. I'm feeling all benevolent today. Cool

I first read that as bolshy lol x

Tired eyes doing my next book order on laptop. Worked today from home so I can have a 4 day weekend this week. Veteran’s Day so will let Me. C play as much golf as he wants.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:33 am

Fuck you, Tommy. If your idea of equality is that people different from you are only to be accepted as long as they're uniformly perfect, then fuck you.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:36 am

Syl wrote:Remember baby P?, that has to be one of the worst child abuse cases in recent history. The couple who were responsible for his death were hetrosexual, social workers repeatedly failed to help him... and others since.
All parents, whether natural, foster or adoptive should be watched more closely if their babies are continuously being hurt, bruised and battered, no matter what sex they are.

That's okay to Tommy. But if they were gay, society has something wrong with it that must be corrected immediately.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:30 am

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A good question to ask the authorities, Eddie...

But I think we all know the answer...!

Do we? I don't. I was asking you a question.

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Tommy's proving himself to be the total narrow-minded fascist hopeless fuckwit...

Of course he won't answer the question..
Same as his earlier performances on the Climate Change and Texas Church massacre threads.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:41 am

Eilzel wrote:
Horrid story. The man is a monster and let's hope he suffers immensely in jail for a long long time.

The suggestion social services looked away because the couple were gay is rubbish. This isn't the only time social services has failed to protect an adopted or fostered child. I don't think 'PC culture' is the problem here. There is clearly a general problem with how some ss workers do their job.

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Too true, Eilzel...

There is also something rotten in the administration and organisation of many Social/Community Services departments these days;  as well as chronic under-funding and under-staffing..

Not only in Britain, but over in the USA and down here in Oz --  something is badly askew with those who run those departments --  and it has little to do with the pet hates of brainless little bigotted twats like Tommy Monk.

Heads should roll at that local Social Services office and at their head office --  but in true political fashion, what's the bet that their bosses will cover their own arses, and scapegoat a couple of lowly 'case workers/officers' instead  ?

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Post by nicko on Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:39 am

Why bring Tommy into your hate post, you just can't help yourself can you?
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Post by Vicar of Dibley (vod) on Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:01 pm

I hate this bastard who abused this little Princess - I also hate abuse on here towards Tommy and others for their opinion - which always seems to go unnoticed . It's not pleasant reading .

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Post by gelico on Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:08 pm

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:I hate this bastard who abused this little Princess - I also hate abuse on here towards Tommy - which always seems to go unnoticed . It's not pleasant reading .


just reading this and I absolutely agree with you

Furthermore, Tommy raises a valid point

The rapes of children by Muslim adult men were denied, covered up, and ignored (even to the point of blaming the children) and social services admitted they were scared of being labelled racist. It destroys the lefts ideals

It would actually not surprise me at all to learn that this was ignored simply because as Tommy said, it doesn't fit the narrative

and yes, he gets constantly attacked. There seems to be one person on here who seems to constantly get away with posting abusive obnoxious posts to people without a word being said,,,,

very noticeable!

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Post by gelico on Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:11 pm

gelico wrote:
Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:I hate this bastard who abused this little Princess - I also hate abuse on here towards Tommy - which always seems to go unnoticed . It's not pleasant reading .


just reading this and I absolutely agree with you

Furthermore, Tommy raises a valid point

The rapes of children by Muslim adult men were denied, covered up, and ignored (even to the point of blaming the children) and social services admitted they were scared of being labelled racist.  It destroys the lefts ideals

It would actually not surprise me at all to learn that this was ignored simply because as Tommy said, it doesn't fit the narrative

and yes, he gets constantly attacked.  There seems to be one person on here who seems to constantly get away with posting abusive obnoxious posts to people without a word being said,,,,

very noticeable!


retracting that last bit due to actions of Lord Big Balls

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Post by Vicar of Dibley (vod) on Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:15 pm

gelico wrote:
gelico wrote:


just reading this and I absolutely agree with you

Furthermore, Tommy raises a valid point

The rapes of children by Muslim adult men were denied, covered up, and ignored (even to the point of blaming the children) and social services admitted they were scared of being labelled racist.  It destroys the lefts ideals

It would actually not surprise me at all to learn that this was ignored simply because as Tommy said, it doesn't fit the narrative

and yes, he gets constantly attacked.  There seems to be one person on here who seems to constantly get away with posting abusive obnoxious posts to people without a word being said,,,,

very noticeable!


retracting that last bit due to actions of Lord Big Balls

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agree with you .

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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:43 pm

He got 18 years.   Should have got life with hard fucking labour.
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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:51 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Fuck you, Tommy. If your idea of equality is that people different from you are only to be accepted as long as they're uniformly perfect, then fuck you.


I was having a dig at the lefty PC idea of 'equality', where certain groups (namely BME/LGBT/moslems) are deemed 'special' and treated as 'more than equal'... in case you didn't notice...!?


Thanks HT, gelico and Nicko, BTW...!


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Post by Syl on Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:49 pm

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:I hate this bastard who abused this little Princess - I also hate abuse on here towards Tommy  and others for their opinion - which always seems to go unnoticed . It's not pleasant reading .

I think you get a fair bit of that too...and obviously anyone who has strong views re religion, even politics, can sometimes be castigated for their views.
It happens a lot less on here than on some other forums, but I agree with you, its not nice.
I think Tommy ignores it, and he seldom resorts to insults to get one over on people who start with the name calling..

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:57 pm

nicko wrote:Why bring Tommy into your hate post,    you just can't help yourself can you?

That would be because the ever saintly Wolfie is currently feeling extremely hurt, aggrieved and tearful because of the serious and serial abuse that is being directed at him in spite of he himself extending nothing but kindness, consideration, courtesy and toleration towards his fellow posters.
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Post by Syl on Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:00 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:He got 18 years.   Should have got life with hard fucking labour.

18 years is an insult to that dead little girl.
This is so tragic,  her biological grandmother wanted to bring her up, how different her life would be had social workers not taken her away from them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5057913/Gay-father-murdered-adopted-daughter-jailed.html?ITO=1490

"The birth family of tragic 18-month-old girl Elsie Scully-Hicks have said she would 'still be alive today' if she had not been taken away from them as her adoptive father was jailed for life for murdering her.

In the statement, which can now be reported, the natural family of Elsie - who was originally named Shayla O'Brien - said they were 'numb with pain'.
 Speaking on behalf of the family, her birth grandmother Sian O'Brien said: 'I accept that at the time of giving birth my daughter was living a chaotic lifestyle and was not in a position to care for Shayla and she was removed from the hospital five days after birth by social services.
'As a family, we continued to have contact with Shayla whilst she was in the care of the foster family.'
Ms O'Brien said all of Elsie's family were 'extremely attached to her and loved her very much'. She said: 'In January 2015, I started proceedings in the family court to become the legal guardian for Shayla.

I wanted to bring her up in a happy, healthy and warm family environment, that was all taken away from me when social services and the family court decided I would not be able to cope.' .

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Post by Jules on Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:04 pm

Bringing up kids is the hardest job in the world.

Shame on anyone who thinks that kids are a fashion accessory like a jet or yacht or porsche that they must have cos all the trendy people also have them.

No they are not a 'must-have' fashion item, they are bloody hard work.

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Post by magica on Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:14 pm

gelico wrote:
Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:I hate this bastard who abused this little Princess - I also hate abuse on here towards Tommy - which always seems to go unnoticed . It's not pleasant reading .


just reading this and I absolutely agree with you

Furthermore, Tommy raises a valid point

The rapes of children by Muslim adult men were denied, covered up, and ignored (even to the point of blaming the children) and social services admitted they were scared of being labelled racist.  It destroys the lefts ideals

It would actually not surprise me at all to learn that this was ignored simply because as Tommy said, it doesn't fit the narrative

and yes, he gets constantly attacked.  There seems to be one person on here who seems to constantly get away with posting abusive obnoxious posts to people without a word being said,,,,

very noticeable!

I agree too. Tommy makes bloody good points only to be slagged off because its not pc. That's how those Muslim men got away with raping young white girls because no one wanted to say anything.

Well it's time these in public work especially social workers did something about the crime without looking at their colour first.

Baby P was appallingly abused and let down by everyone as was Victoria Climbe. Children come first. If social workers, police, doctors can't or wont see this, then resign and let someone who can do the job take over.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:03 pm

Syl wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:He got 18 years.   Should have got life with hard fucking labour.

18 years is an insult to that dead little girl.
This is so tragic,  her biological grandmother wanted to bring her up, how different her life would be had social workers not taken her away from them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5057913/Gay-father-murdered-adopted-daughter-jailed.html?ITO=1490

"The birth family of tragic 18-month-old girl Elsie Scully-Hicks have said she would 'still be alive today' if she had not been taken away from them as her adoptive father was jailed for life for murdering her.

In the statement, which can now be reported, the natural family of Elsie - who was originally named Shayla O'Brien - said they were 'numb with pain'.
 Speaking on behalf of the family, her birth grandmother Sian O'Brien said: 'I accept that at the time of giving birth my daughter was living a chaotic lifestyle and was not in a position to care for Shayla and she was removed from the hospital five days after birth by social services.
'As a family, we continued to have contact with Shayla whilst she was in the care of the foster family.'
Ms O'Brien said all of Elsie's family were 'extremely attached to her and loved her very much'. She said: 'In January 2015, I started proceedings in the family court to become the legal guardian for Shayla.

I wanted to bring her up in a happy, healthy and warm family environment, that was all taken away from me when social services and the family court decided I would not be able to cope.' .


How sad.  I'd like to know why this child couldn't stay with her family?   But one has to ask, why was she taken from the mother in the first place?   There must have been a reason.
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Post by Syl on Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:10 pm

There have been a few stories fairly recently where grandparents have been denied the chance to bring up their grandchildren.
One would think, unless there are genuine reasons why a baby or young child cant be cared for by grandparents, or any other responsible family member, the very last resort would be to take the child away from the environment they know and feel comfortable in, and give it away to strangers.

Why is the family, if they love that child, not given the support and help to enable them to stay together?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:14 pm

Thanks to VOD too...!


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Post by magica on Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:14 pm

Grandparents are the next best thing to parents. Most grandparents can easily look after their grandchildren with the love no one out of the family can.

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Post by Syl on Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:20 pm

magica wrote:Grandparents are the next best thing to parents. Most grandparents can easily look after their grandchildren with the  love no one out of the family can.

That's so true Mags, how different that little girls life could have been if she had been allowed to live with them.

Obviously no one knows yet why social workers refused to keep Elsie within her family, but we do know they were bloody useless after she was placed with the murdering bastard who killed her

I know there are some brilliant social workers , but there are also some fools, who know a lot in theory and sweet sod all in practice, who have no children of their own and have little empathy with them.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:25 pm

magica wrote:Grandparents are the next best thing to parents. Most grandparents can easily look after their grandchildren with the  love no one out of the family can.

It's not clear if the grandparents who wanted to adopt were paternal or maternal.   Either way, I think the mother is complicit in this to a lesser degree.  When you have a child you have to get your shit together and grow up.  This poor baby was equally let down by her.
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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:26 pm

Syl wrote:There have been a few stories fairly recently where grandparents have been denied the chance to bring up their grandchildren.
One would think, unless there are genuine reasons why a baby or young child cant be cared for by grandparents, or any other responsible family member, the very last resort would be to take the child away from the environment they know and feel comfortable in, and give it away to strangers.

Why is the family, if they love that child, not given the support and help to enable them to stay together?

Probably ageist shit.
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