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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:08 pm

It's time for Israel to accept that as an occupied people, Palestinians have a right to resist - in every way possible.

In Palestine, international law recognises the fundamental rights to self-determination, freedom and independence for the occupied, writes Cohen [Reuters]
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Stanley L Cohen is an attorney and human rights activist who has done extensive work in the Middle East and Africa.

Long ago, it was settled that resistance and even armed struggle against a colonial occupation force is not just recognised under international law but specifically endorsed.

In accordance with international humanitarian law, wars of national liberation have been expressly embraced, through the adoption of Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 (pdf), as a protected and essential right of occupied people everywhere.

Finding evolving vitality in humanitarian law, for decades the General Assembly of the United Nations (UNGA) - once described as the collective conscience of the world - has noted the right of peoples to self-determination, independence and human rights.

Indeed, as early as 1974, resolution 3314 of the UNGA prohibited states from "any military occupation, however temporary".

In relevant part, the resolution not only went on to affirm the right "to self-determination, freedom and independence [...] of peoples forcibly deprived of that right,[...] particularly peoples under colonial and racist regimes or other forms of alien domination" but noted the right of the occupied to "struggle ... and to seek and receive support" in that effort.

The term "armed struggle" was implied without precise definition in that resolution and many other early ones that upheld the right of indigenous persons to evict an occupier.

This imprecision was to change on December 3, 1982. At that time UNGA resolution 37/43 removed any doubt or debate over the lawful entitlement of occupied people to resist occupying forces by any and all lawful means. The resolution reaffirmed "the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle".
A palpable illusion

Though Israel has tried, time and time again, to recast the unambiguous intent of this precise resolution - and thus place its now half-century-long occupation in the West Bank and Gaza beyond its application - it is an effort worn thin to the point of palpable illusion by the exacting language of the declaration itself. In relevant part, section 21 of the resolution strongly condemned "the expansionist activities of Israel in the Middle East and the continual bombing of Palestinian civilians, which constitute a serious obstacle to the realization of the self-determination and independence of the Palestinian people".

Never ones to hesitate in rewriting history, long before the establishment of the United Nations, European Zionists deemed themselves to be an occupied people as they emigrated to Palestine - a land to which any historical connection they had had long since passed through a largely voluntary transit.

Indeed, a full 50 years before the UN spoke of the right of armed struggle as a vehicle of indigenous liberation, European Zionists illegally co-opted the concept as the Irgun, Lehi and other terrorist groups undertook a decade's long reign of deadly mayhem.

During this time, they slaughtered not only thousands of indigenous Palestinians but targeted British police and military personnel that had long maintained a colonial presence there.

A history of Zionist attacks

Perhaps, as Israelis sit down to mourn the loss of two of their soldiers who were shot dead this past week in Jerusalem - in what many consider to be a lawful act of resistance - a visit down memory lane might just place the events in their proper historical context.

Self-determination is a difficult, costly march for the occupied. In Palestine, no matter what the weapon of choice - whether voice, pen or gun - there is a steep price to be paid for its use.

Long ago, describing the British as an occupation force in "their homeland", Zionists targeted British police and military units with ruthless abandon throughout Palestine and elsewhere.

On April 12, 1938, the Irgun murdered two British police officers in a train bombing in Haifa. On August 26, 1939, two British officers were killed by an Irgun landmine in Jerusalem. On February 14, 1944, two British constables were shot dead when they attempted to arrest people for pasting up wall posters in Haifa. On September 27, 1944, more than 100 members of the Irgun attacked four British police stations, injuring hundreds of officers. Two days later a senior British police officer of the Criminal Intelligence Department was assassinated in Jerusalem.

On November 1, 1945, another police officer was killed as five trains were bombed. On December 27, 1945, seven British officers lost their lives in a bombing on police headquarters in Jerusalem. Between November 9 and 13, 1946, Jewish "underground" members launched a series of landmine and suitcase bomb attacks in railway stations, trains, and streetcars, killing 11 British soldiers and policemen and eight Arab constables.

Four more officers were murdered in another attack on a police headquarters on January 12, 1947. Nine months later, four British police were murdered in an Irgun bank robbery and, but three days later, on September 26, 1947, an additional 13 officers were killed in yet another terrorist attack on a British police station.

These are but a few of many attacks directed by Zionist terrorists at British police who were seen, by mostly European Jews, as legitimate targets of a campaign they described as one of liberation against an occupation force.

Throughout this period, Jewish terrorists also undertook countless attacks that spared no part of the British and Palestinian infrastructure. They assaulted British military and police installations, government offices, and ships, often with bombs. They also sabotaged railways, bridges, and oil installations. Dozens of economic targets were attacked, including 20 trains that were damaged or derailed, and five train stations. Numerous attacks were carried out against the oil industry including one, in March 1947, on a Shell oil refinery in Haifa which destroyed some 16,000 tonnes of petroleum.

Zionist terrorists killed British soldiers throughout Palestine, using booby traps, ambushes, snipers, and vehicle blasts.

One attack, in particular, sums up the terrorism of those who, without any force of international law at the time, saw no limitation to their efforts to "liberate" a land that they had, largely, only recently emigrated to.

In 1947, the Irgun kidnapped two British Army Intelligence Corps non-commissioned officers and threathened to hang them if death sentences of three of their own members were carried out. When these three Irgun members were executed by hanging, the two British sergeants were hanged in retaliation and their booby-trapped bodies were left in an eucalyptus grove.

In announcing their execution, the Irgun said that the two British soldiers were hanged following their conviction for "criminal anti-Hebrew activities" which included: illegal entry into the Hebrew homeland and membership in a British criminal terrorist organisation - known as the Army of Occupation - which was "responsible for the torture, murder, deportation, and denying the Hebrew people the right to live". The soldiers were also charged with illegal possession of arms, anti-Jewish spying in civilian clothes, and premeditated hostile designs against the underground (pdf).

Well beyond the territorial confines of Palestine, in late 1946-47 a continuing campaign of terrorism was directed at the British. Acts of sabotage were carried out on British military transportation routes in Germany. The Lehi also tried, unsuccessfully, to drop a bomb on the House of Commons from a chartered plane flown from France and, in October 1946, bombed the British Embassy in Rome. A number of other explosive devices were detonated in and around strategic targets in London. Some 21 letter bombs were addressed, at various times, to senior British political figures. Many were intercepted, while others reached their targets but were discovered before they could go off.
The steep price of self-determination

Self-determination is a difficult, costly march for the occupied. In Palestine, no matter what the weapon of choice - whether voice, pen or gun - there is a steep price to be paid for its use.

Today, "speaking truth to power" has become very much a popular mantra of resistance in neoliberal circles and societies. In Palestine, however, for the occupied and oppressed, it is an all-but-certain path to prison or death. Yet, for generations of Palestinians stripped of the very breath that resonates with the feeling of freedom, history teaches there is simply no other choice.

Silence is surrender. To be silent is to betray all those who have come before and all those yet to follow.

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For those who have never felt the constant yoke of oppression, or seen it up close, it is a vision beyond comprehension. Occupation sits heavy on the occupied, every day in every way, limiting who you are and what you may dare to become.

The constant rub of barricades, guns, orders, prison and death are fellow travellers for the occupied, whether infants, teens in the spring of life, the elderly, or those trapped by the artificial confines of borders over which they have no control.

The three young men, cousins, who willingly sacrificed their lives in the attack on the two Israeli officers in Jerusalem, did so not as an empty gesture born of desperation, but rather a personal statement of national pride that follows a long line of others who well understood that the price of freedom can, at times, mean all.

To the families of the two Israeli Druze policemen who lost their lives while trying to control a place that was not theirs to command, I extend my condolences. These young men were, however, not lost to the ring of resistance, but willingly sacrificed by an evil occupation that bears no legitimacy whatsoever.

Ultimately, if there is grieving to be done, it must be for the 11 million occupied, whether in Palestine or outside, as so much stateless refugees, stripped of a meaningful voice and opportunity, as the world makes excuses built largely of a political and economic gift box that bears the Star of David.

Not a day goes by now without the chilling wail of a nation watching over a Palestinian infant wrapped in a burial shroud, stripped of life because electricity or transit have become a perverse privilege which holds millions hostage to the political whims of the few. Be they Israeli, Egyptian or those who claim to carry the mantle of Palestinian political leadership, the responsibility of infanticide in Gaza is theirs and theirs alone.
'If there is no struggle, there is no progress'

The three young men, cousins, who willingly sacrificed their lives in the attack on the two Israeli officers in Jerusalem, did so not as an empty gesture born of desperation, but rather a personal statement of national pride that follows a long line of others who well understood that the price of freedom can, at times, mean all.

For 70 years, not a day has passed without the loss of young Palestinian women and men who, tragically, found greater dignity and freedom in martyrdom than they did in obedient, passive living controlled by those who dared to dictate the parameters of their lives.

Millions of us worldwide dream of a better time and place for Palestinians ... free to spread their wings, to soar, to discover who they are and what they wish to become. Until then, I mourn not for the loss of those who stop their flight. Instead, I applaud those who dare to struggle, dare to win - by any means necessary.

There is no magic to resistance and struggle. They transcend time and place and derive their very meaning and ardour in the natural inclination, indeed, drive, of us all to be free - to be free to determine the role of our own lives.

In Palestine, no such freedom exists. In Palestine, international law recognises the fundamental rights to self-determination, freedom and independence for the occupied. In Palestine, that includes the right to armed struggle, if necessary.

Long ago, the famed abolitionist Frederick Douglass, himself a former slave, wrote of struggle. These words resonate no less so today, in Palestine, than they did some one 150 years ago in the heart of the Antebellum South in the United States:

"If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will."

Stanley L Cohen is a lawyer and human rights activist who has done extensive work in the Middle East and Africa.

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Post by Didge on Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:12 pm

And there you go

Sassy has just argued in favour of terrorism to murder innocent people.

It was never right when Jewish extremists murdered British soldiers

As there was always another option. Which again many Jews did not support such terrorist acts at the time.

Even the Un is very clear in what is ressistance under occupation and does not back murder.

The Jewish leadership respected the UN partition plan

Then tell me why the Arabs did not?

Why they had 78% of the British Mandate in Palestine and this was not enough for them?

Because they did not want the Jews to have the right to self determination.

That they could not live in peace with them as neighbours having the right to rule themselves

Thank you sassy, for showing how you back terrorism


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Post by SEXY MAMA on Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:14 pm

To those who moan about the ‘critism’ of Israel

Go END OCCUPATION AND APPARTIED if you are sick of Anti Israel sentiments!

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:15 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:To those who moan about the ‘critism’ of Israel

Go END OCCUPATION AND APPARTIED if you are sick of Anti Israel sentiments!


Quite, and Cohen is obviously just another 'self hating Jew'. There are so many of them about, doing a wonderful job.

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Didge wrote:And there you go

Sassy has just argued in favour of terrorism to murder innocent people.

It was never right when Jewish extremists murdered British soldiers

As there was always another option. Which again many Jews did not support such terrorist acts at the time.

Even the Un is very clear in what is ressistance under occupation and does not back murder.

The Jewish leadership respected the UN partition plan

Then tell me why the Arabs did not?

Why they had 78% of the British Mandate in Palestine and this was not enough for them?

Because they did not want the Jews to have the right to self determination.

That they could not live in peace with them as neighbours having the right to rule themselves

Thank you sassy, for showing how you back terrorism

Shut the fuck up Didge

Sassy has never backed terrorism and how dare you accuse her of that.

Did you even BOTHER reading what she posted?

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Post by Didge on Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:16 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:To those who moan about the ‘critism’ of Israel

Go END OCCUPATION AND APPARTIED if you are sick of Anti Israel sentiments!

This coming from a Muslim, who does not call for the end of islamism, which is an idelogy of Apartheid.

Tell me how is it occupation, when no such Palestinian state ever existed?

The name the West Bank, was a Jordanian invention to the area. Its name has always been Judea and Samaria.

Tell me how they you think they are Arabic names Sexy?

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Didge wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:To those who moan about the ‘critism’ of Israel

Go END OCCUPATION AND APPARTIED if you are sick of Anti Israel sentiments!

This coming from a Muslim, who does not call for the end of islamism, which is an idelogy of Apartheid.

Tell me how is it occupation, when no such Palestinian state ever existed?

The name the West Bank, was a Jordanian invention to the area. Its name has always been Judea and Samaria.

Tell me how they you think they are Arabic names Sexy?

Right let me write this is basically as I can to you

Because you are that DUMB

What would you do if I bulldozed down your house and said it’s mine

WHAT would you do?

Answer truthfully for once in your life

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:18 pm

Also so what if I’m a Muslim?


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SEXY MAMA wrote:
Didge wrote:

This coming from a Muslim, who does not call for the end of islamism, which is an idelogy of Apartheid.

Tell me how is it occupation, when no such Palestinian state ever existed?

The name the West Bank, was a Jordanian invention to the area. Its name has always been Judea and Samaria.

Tell me how they you think they are Arabic names Sexy?

Right let me write this is basically as I can to you

Because you are that DUMB

What would you do if I bulldozed down your house and said it’s mine

WHAT would you do?

Answer truthfully for once in your life

Report it to the Police

Next

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Post by Didge on Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:20 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:Also so what if I’m a Muslim?


You are are a hateful extremist, that does not think the Jews have a right to a nation

That makes you antisemitic, when the Arab have countless nations

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Didge wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Right let me write this is basically as I can to you

Because you are that DUMB

What would you do if I bulldozed down your house and said it’s mine

WHAT would you do?

Answer truthfully for once in your life

Report it to the Police

Next

The police don’t do anything

Then?

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Didge wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:Also so what if I’m a Muslim?


You are are a hateful extremist, that does not think the Jews have a right to a nation

That makes you antisemitic, when the Arab have countless nations

No you can fuck right off

I will not be ‘ debating’ with a bastard like you

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SEXY MAMA wrote:
Didge wrote:

Report it to the Police

Next

The police don’t do anything

Then?

Really?

So nobody is ever prosecuted?

So you reject civilization and turn to barbarism.

What a true disciple of Islam you are.

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Post by Didge on Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:26 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Didge wrote:

You are are a hateful extremist, that does not think the Jews have a right to a nation

That makes you antisemitic, when the Arab have countless nations

No you can fuck right off

I will not be ‘ debating’ with a bastard like you

Bastard?

Thank you for elquently showing how hateful islam is, in how it teaches such hate

You simple cannot take honest criticism

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:30 pm

I agree that Israel needs to get out of the occupied bits and that Palestine should be a separate state. Israel didn't exist either, and then it did, so they should understand. Nobody is saying that Israel shouldn't exist, just that they shouldn't try to take over the surrounding land.

The problem is where a Palestinian State should be.

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Raggamuffin wrote:I agree that Israel needs to get out of the occupied bits and that Palestine should be a separate state. Israel didn't exist either, and then it did, so they should understand. Nobody is saying that Israel shouldn't exist, just that they shouldn't try to take over the surrounding land.

The problem is where a Palestinian State should be.

Where is is now, it has borders and are prepared to accept the 1967 borders with the illegal settlers sent back to Israel.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:32 pm

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I agree that Israel needs to get out of the occupied bits and that Palestine should be a separate state. Israel didn't exist either, and then it did, so they should understand. Nobody is saying that Israel shouldn't exist, just that they shouldn't try to take over the surrounding land.

The problem is where a Palestinian State should be.

Where is is now, it has borders and are prepared to accept the 1967 borders with the illegal settlers sent back to Israel.

What about the Gaza strip though?

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Post by Didge on Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:33 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I agree that Israel needs to get out of the occupied bits and that Palestine should be a separate state. Israel didn't exist either, and then it did, so they should understand. Nobody is saying that Israel shouldn't exist, just that they shouldn't try to take over the surrounding land.

The problem is where a Palestinian State should be.

So you claim that an area that has never existed as a state, is occupied?

Jordan occupied Judea and Samaria and called it the West bank

So why cannot Jewish people live in Judea and Samaria in a future palestinian state?

How is that hinderence to peace?

Is the problem Arab colonialists?

And even more Islam?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:34 pm

Didge, you have been a total embarrassment so far in this thread, and you still won't leave me alone. Your posts to SM were disgusting, and you call it "honest criticism". You're always bleating on about self determination, but that doesn't seem to apply to Palestinians.

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Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:

Where is is now, it has borders and are prepared to accept the 1967 borders with the illegal settlers sent back to Israel.

What about the Gaza strip though?

Same, without the blockade it would thrive. It's fishermen wouldn't be shot, neither would it's farmers by the border, stuff could be brought in to rebuild and it's airport could be opened again.

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Raggamuffin wrote:Didge, you have been a total embarrassment so far in this thread, and you still won't leave me alone. Your posts to SM were disgusting, and you call it "honest criticism". You're always bleating on about self determination, but that doesn't seem to apply to Palestinians.

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So you claim that an area that has never existed as a state, is occupied?

Jordan occupied Judea and Samaria and called it the West bank

So why cannot Jewish people live in Judea and Samaria in a future palestinian state?

How is that hinderence to peace?

Is the problem Arab colonialists?

And even more Islam?

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Post by Didge on Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:39 pm

"A brief overview of the situation is always valuable, so as a service to all Americans who still do not get it, I now offer you the story of the Middle East in just a few paragraphs, which is all you really need. Don't thank me. I am a giver. Here we go:

The Palestinians want their own country. There is just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians. It is a made up word. Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years. Like "Wiccan", "Palestinian" sounds ancient but is really a modern invention. Before the Israelis won the land in war, Gaza belonged to Egypt and there were no "Palestinians" then. The West Bank belonged to Jordan, and there were no "Palestinians" then. As soon as the Jews took over and started growing oranges as big as basketballs, what do you know, say hello to the "Palestinians", weeping for their deep bond with their lost "land" and "nation." So for the sake of honesty, let us not use the word "Palestinian" any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone points out they are being taped. Instead, call them what they are: "Other Arabs From The Same General Area Who Are In Deep Denial About Never Being Able To Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death." I know that is a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How about this, then: "Adjacent Jew-Haters."

Okay, so the Adjacent Jew-Haters want their own country. Oops, just one more thing. No, they do not. They could have had their own country any time in the last thirty years, especially two years ago at Camp David. But if you have your own country, you have to have traffic lights and garbage trucks and Chambers of Commerce, and, worse, you actually have to figure out some way to make a living. That is no fun. No, they want what all the other Jew-Haters in the region want: Israel. They also want a big pile of dead Jews, of course - that is where the real fun is - but mostly they want Israel. Why? For one thing, trying to destroy Israel - or "The Zionist Entity" as their textbooks call it - for the last fifty years has allowed the rulers of Arab countries to divert the attention of their own people away from the fact that they are the blue-ribbon most illiterate, poorest, and tribally backward on God's Earth, and if you have ever been around God's Earth, you know that is really saying something. It makes me roll my eyes every time one of our pundits waxes poetic about the great history and culture of the Muslim Mideast. Unless I am missing something, the Arabs have not given anything to the world since Algebra, and, by the way, thanks a hell of a lot for that one.

Chew this around and spit it out: Five hundred million Arabs; five million Jews. Think of all the Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a pack of matches sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks swear that if Israel gives them half of that pack of matches, everyone will be pals. Really? Wow, what neat news. Hey, but what about the string of wars to obliterate the tiny country and the constant din of rabid blood oaths to drive every Jew into the sea? Oh, that? We were just kidding.

My friend Kevin Rooney made a gorgeous point the other day: Just reverse the numbers. Imagine five hundred million Jews and five million Arabs. I was stunned at the simple brilliance of it. Can anyone picture the Jews strapping belts of razor blades and dynamite to themselves? Of course not. Or marshalling every fiber and force at their disposal for generations to drive a tiny Arab state into the sea? Nonsense. Or dancing for joy at the murder of innocents? Impossible. Or spreading and believing horrible lies about the Arabs baking their bread with the blood of children? Disgusting. No, as you know, left to themselves in a world of peace, the worst Jews would ever do to people is debate them to death."


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Raggamuffin wrote:Didge, you have been a total embarrassment so far in this thread, and you still won't leave me alone. Your posts to SM were disgusting, and you call it "honest criticism". You're always bleating on about self determination, but that doesn't seem to apply to Palestinians.

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What about the Gaza strip though?

Same, without the blockade it would thrive.   It's fishermen wouldn't be shot, neither would it's farmers by the border, stuff could be brought in to rebuild and it's airport could be opened again.

It would be separated from the West Bank though, so how would that work as one state?

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SEXY MAMA wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Didge, you have been a total embarrassment so far in this thread, and you still won't leave me alone. Your posts to SM were disgusting, and you call it "honest criticism". You're always bleating on about self determination, but that doesn't seem to apply to Palestinians.

Thanks Raggs.

I refuse to now debate with him, I have given him many chances but not after this one.


I don't blame you. He was out of order, and yet he calls it "debating" or says he's just being "honest". His posts were awful.

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SEXY MAMA wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Didge, you have been a total embarrassment so far in this thread, and you still won't leave me alone. Your posts to SM were disgusting, and you call it "honest criticism". You're always bleating on about self determination, but that doesn't seem to apply to Palestinians.

Thanks Raggs.

I refuse to now debate with him, I have given him many chances but not after this one.


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I do not need a religion to like people

I get angry at the bullshit and lies you promote, but I move on from it

So who really is the better person between us?

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Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:

Same, without the blockade it would thrive.   It's fishermen wouldn't be shot, neither would it's farmers by the border, stuff could be brought in to rebuild and it's airport could be opened again.

It would be separated from the West Bank though, so how would that work as one state?

It's only separated from the West Bank because of the blockade, without it there is a road between the two and they used to go back and forth quite happily.


In fact they have just worked with Egypt to rejoin their governments

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It would be separated from the West Bank though, so how would that work as one state?

It's only separated from the West Bank because of the blockade, without it there is a road between the two and they used to go back and forth quite happily.


In fact they have just worked with Egypt to rejoin their governments

Interesting

So why is there a blockade?

Does it have something to do with the fact that Israel withdrew its settlers and soldiers from Gaza and that they have been continually attacked since.?? Proving the Palestinians authorities do not want peace?

Maybe you can tell me about the walls in Belfast Sassy and why they were there?

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Post by eddie on Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:48 pm

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SEXY MAMA wrote:Also so what if I’m a Muslim?


You are are a hateful extremist, that does not think the Jews have a right to a nation

That makes you antisemitic, when the Arab have countless nations



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You are are a hateful extremist, that does not think the Jews have a right to a nation

That makes you antisemitic, when the Arab have countless nations



Okay didge, that will do thank you. Refrain from being outright insulting like that please.  

Really?

Ask Sexy if Israel should exist

If she does not, that makes her an extremist

It means her views are extreme. It means i am right to class her as antisemitic
I still like her but think she is badly mislead, but spare me the babble on what I can rightly state someone is

I broke no rules and you are out of order

Then I expect an apology rom you Eddie

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I have never said anything about not having a 2 state solution ever.

So don’t make up lies to justify your disgusting abuse to me

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Didge: I am telling you that calling someone "a hateful extremist" is not on. Your post was reported and I'm acting accordingly.
If you don't like my decision then take it to the forum owner or another member of admin.  
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I'm glad someone reported his post. I didn't, but it deserved to be reported. I'm very pleased that someone has pulled him up for it too. To say that you "love" someone, and then call them childish for objecting to being called a "hateful extremist" is absolutely baffling.


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SEXY MAMA wrote:I have never said anything about not having a 2 state solution ever.

So don’t make up lies to justify your disgusting abuse to me

Yes you bloody well did and Zack.

You said there should be a one state solution.

If you have an once of integrety you would admit that.

If you have changed your position, then fair enough and I apologise

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eddie wrote: Didge: I am telling you that calling someone "a hateful extremist" is not on. Your post was reported and I'm acting accordingly.
If you don't like my decision then take it to the forum owner or another member of admin.  
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I will take it up thanks, as you are bang out of order

Maybe when like yesterday Rags made many accusations about me and you did nothing, or the fact I never complained shows again your sexism

You only seem to pull up men.

So where were you yesterday at views made to me today on countless threads and yesterday?

Your next answer will show whether you are sexist or not

Yes I have broad shoulders, but clearly, you think women are weak and they cannot take harsh words

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Didge wrote:
eddie wrote: Didge: I am telling you that calling someone "a hateful extremist" is not on. Your post was reported and I'm acting accordingly.
If you don't like my decision then take it to the forum owner or another member of admin.  
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I will take it up thanks, as you are bang out of order

Maybe when like yesterday Rags made many accusations about me and you did nothing, or the fact I never complained shows again your sexism

You only seem to pull up men.

So where were you yesterday at views made to me today on countless threads and yesterday?

Your next answer will show whether you are sexist or not

Yes I have broad shoulders, but clearly, you think women are weak and they cannot take harsh words

Put a sock in it. You think you're soooooo great, but you're a hateful, spiteful person.

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Post by Didge on Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:01 pm

I mean holy crap, smelly is called a Nazi daily, and this is allowed

I called someone who is extreme in their views an extremist and I get a warning, because i said it to a women, who is Muslim

Talk about how PC control has warped the minds of people here

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http://www.newsfixboard.com/t22349p100-michael-fallon-resigns-as-defence-secretary-after-saying-past-behaviour-may-have-fallen-short#431297

Comments please Eddie?

I am sick to death of the bullshit how you and the mods pick and choose who is wrong.

As you do so of a view how you make them victims yourself

I do not even want rags spoken to, but the reality is the Mods here look down on posters with a view they are victims, when they are not.

You create a daft safe space based on a view, people cannot express their views to them.

And only to some posters, because you are the ones that perceive them as victims

Seriously, its idiots like you that make problems within the world Eddie, when generally none exist. You wish to control people views. As its based not on rules but your perceived view.


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Didge wrote:
eddie wrote: Didge: I am telling you that calling someone "a hateful extremist" is not on. Your post was reported and I'm acting accordingly.
If you don't like my decision then take it to the forum owner or another member of admin.  
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I will take it up thanks, as you are bang out of order

Maybe when like yesterday Rags made many accusations about me and you did nothing, or the fact I never complained shows again your sexism

You only seem to pull up men.

So where were you yesterday at views made to me today on countless threads and yesterday?

Your next answer will show whether you are sexist or not

Yes I have broad shoulders, but clearly, you think women are weak and they cannot take harsh words


Take it up with another admin by all means.

Btw I did not see any reports made by you or anyone else against rags yesterday and I also don't know what thread or what happened yesterday as I wasn't "here" though I was logged on.

That's my last word - I'll let you take your complaint elsewhere against me.

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I will take it up thanks, as you are bang out of order

Maybe when like yesterday Rags made many accusations about me and you did nothing, or the fact I never complained shows again your sexism

You only seem to pull up men.

So where were you yesterday at views made to me today on countless threads and yesterday?

Your next answer will show whether you are sexist or not

Yes I have broad shoulders, but clearly, you think women are weak and they cannot take harsh words


Take it up with another admin by all means.

Btw I did not see any reports made by you or anyone else against rags yesterday and I also don't know what thread or what happened yesterday as I wasn't "here" though I was logged on.

That's my last word - I'll let you take your complaint elsewhere against me.

What is the point in taking it up?

I doubt your boyfirend would ever rule against you

Guess i will just have to put up with your stupid ridiculous views

So you now see a thread and views made and you still say nothing

Like i say, its you that makes victims out of people when there is none

You smother people thinking you protect them

You don;t, you just provide them with a poor excuse to get out of being hateful

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Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:
Didge wrote:
I will take it up thanks, as you are bang out of order

Maybe when like yesterday Rags made many accusations about me and you did nothing, or the fact I never complained shows again your sexism

You only seem to pull up men.

So where were you yesterday at views made to me today on countless threads and yesterday?

Your next answer will show whether you are sexist or not

Yes I have broad shoulders, but clearly, you think women are weak and they cannot take harsh words


Take it up with another admin by all means.

Btw I did not see any reports made by you or anyone else against rags yesterday and I also don't know what thread or what happened yesterday as I wasn't "here" though I was logged on.

That's my last word - I'll let you take your complaint elsewhere against me.

What is the point in taking it up?

I doubt your boyfirend would ever rule against you

Guess i will just have to put up with your stupid ridiculous views

So you now see a thread and views made and you still say nothing

Like i say, its you that makes victims out of people when there is none

You smother people thinking you protect them

You don;t, you just provide them with a poor excuse to get out of being hateful



I wondered when you'd trot that one out of your mouth - yet if someone else said that to me or Ben you'd have been the first to tell them not to be personal.

I'm not "smothering" anyone. Your post was reported and I acted accordingly.


Now like I've said - if you don't trust my decision regarding you on this thread and you don't trust Ben's decision either, then I suggest you report us both to another admin of your choice.

Or you could just admit you stepped over the line and leave it there.

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What is the point in taking it up?

I doubt your boyfirend would ever rule against you

Guess i will just have to put up with your stupid ridiculous views

So you now see a thread and views made and you still say nothing

Like i say, its you that makes victims out of people when there is none

You smother people thinking you protect them

You don;t, you just provide them with a poor excuse to get out of being hateful



I wondered when you'd trot that one out of your mouth - yet if someone else said that to me or Ben you'd have been the first to tell them not to be personal.

I'm not "smothering" anyone.  Your post was reported and I acted accordingly.


Now like I've said - if you don't trust my decision regarding you on this thread and you don't trust Ben's decision either, then I suggest you report us both to another admin of your choice.  

Or you could just admit you stepped over the line and leave it there.

I dont trust you to teach children true wisdom?

Am I allowed to have that view?

So you acted off either rags or sassy reporting me being truthful

So answer me a question.

If someone is extreme in their views and I rightly call them extreme, how is that against the rules?

Are you saying constructive criticism is wrong?

What do you suggest I state they are when they are hateful on an issue?

A buttercup?

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Have reported the abuse from yesterday by Rags to eddie

Not that I wanted to, but its about making a point here

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Didge wrote:Have reported the abuse from yesterday by Rags to eddie

Not that I wanted to, but its about making a point here

Reporting someone to "make a point"?
I have no idea what you expect me to do with that.

This whole thing is just a waste of my time and yours, you know that right?

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Didge wrote:Have reported the abuse from yesterday by Rags to eddie

Not that I wanted to, but its about making a point here

Reporting someone to "make a point"?
I have no idea what you expect me to do with that.  

This whole thing is just a waste of my time and yours, you know that right?



Ahhhh, I see its okay for people to make false accusations about me that are hateful and personal

Thanks for clearing that up

You are right about one thing.

Its a waste of time reporting anything to you, unless I cut my dick off and call myself Phillipa

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Didge wrote:http://www.newsfixboard.com/t22349p100-michael-fallon-resigns-as-defence-secretary-after-saying-past-behaviour-may-have-fallen-short#431297

Comments please Eddie?

I am sick to death of the bullshit how you and the mods pick and choose who is wrong.

As you do so of a view how you make them victims yourself

I do not even want rags spoken to, but the reality is the Mods here look down on posters with a view they are victims, when they are not.

You create a daft safe space based on a view, people cannot express their views to them.

And only to some posters, because you are the ones that perceive them as victims

Seriously, its idiots like you that make problems within the world Eddie, when generally none exist. You wish to control people views. As its based not on rules but your perceived view.

As I said, put a sock in it. You kept on and on even when I asked you to leave me alone, and now you're crying about it. If you left me alone in the first place, I wouldn't have replied to you.

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I wondered when you'd trot that one out of your mouth - yet if someone else said that to me or Ben you'd have been the first to tell them not to be personal.

I'm not "smothering" anyone.  Your post was reported and I acted accordingly.


Now like I've said - if you don't trust my decision regarding you on this thread and you don't trust Ben's decision either, then I suggest you report us both to another admin of your choice.  

Or you could just admit you stepped over the line and leave it there.

I dont trust you to teach children true wisdom?

Am I allowed to have that view?

So you acted off either rags or sassy reporting me being truthful

So answer me a question.

If someone is extreme in their views and I rightly call them extreme, how is that against the rules?

Are you saying constructive criticism is wrong?

What do you suggest I state they are when they are hateful on an issue?

A buttercup?

I didn't report you, but I'm glad someone did. You called SM a "hateful extremist", which was well out of order.

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Reporting someone to "make a point"?
I have no idea what you expect me to do with that.  

This whole thing is just a waste of my time and yours, you know that right?



Ahhhh, I see its okay for people to make false accusations about me that are hateful and personal

Thanks for clearing that up

You are right about one thing.

Its a waste of time reporting anything to you, unless I cut my dick off and call myself Phillipa

Just stick it on your head and call yourself "dickhead".

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Didge wrote:http://www.newsfixboard.com/t22349p100-michael-fallon-resigns-as-defence-secretary-after-saying-past-behaviour-may-have-fallen-short#431297

Comments please Eddie?

I am sick to death of the bullshit how you and the mods pick and choose who is wrong.

As you do so of a view how you make them victims yourself

I do not even want rags spoken to, but the reality is the Mods here look down on posters with a view they are victims, when they are not.

You create a daft safe space based on a view, people cannot express their views to them.

And only to some posters, because you are the ones that perceive them as victims

Seriously, its idiots like you that make problems within the world Eddie, when generally none exist. You wish to control people views. As its based not on rules but your perceived view.

As I said, put a sock in it. You kept on and on even when I asked you to leave me alone, and now you're crying about it. If you left me alone in the first place, I wouldn't have replied to you.


The definition of complete stupidity

A poster yesterday claims to be so offended and hurt, she spends the next day attempting to surpass her previous bouts of dumbness.

Rags, you can call me anuthing you like.

The point was nolt even about you.

It was about how emphatically that Eddie loves to pander victims she actually creates

The vest thing you can do is actually lose your virginity. Whether that be with a cucumber or with a man or woman. Please enjoy yourself. In the clear hope it will shake out of you, your vile personbality and make you a better person. I truley hope you get shagged silly, in the hope you overcome your insecurities and actually start enjoying life

On that I wish you luck

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Re: Palestinians have a legal right to armed struggle

Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:54 pm

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

As I said, put a sock in it. You kept on and on even when I asked you to leave me alone, and now you're crying about it. If you left me alone in the first place, I wouldn't have replied to you.


The definition of complete stupidity

A poster yesterday claims to be so offended and hurt, she spends the next day attempting to surpass her previous bouts of dumbness.

Rags, you can call me anuthing you like.

The point was nolt even about you.

It was about how emphatically that Eddie loves to pander victims she actually creates

The vest thing you can do is actually lose your virginity. Whether that be with a cucumber or with a man or woman. Please enjoy yourself. In the clear hope it will shake out of you, your vile personbality and make you a better person. I truley hope you get shagged silly, in the hope you overcome your insecurities and actually start enjoying life

On that I wish you luck

If it wasn't about me, stop dragging me into your pathetic posts. You know you were out of order, so just admit it and move on.

The best thing you can do is stick a cucumber in your gob and keep it there for ever so you can't speak.


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